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sorrytodisagree 10 points ago +10 / -0

Anyone else notice the autopsy report did not mention liver toxicology only blood? They usually cite liver toxicology too in overdose cases. They apparently avoided pursuing overdose as cause of death...

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sorrytodisagree 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yet if Trump can't magic the water and power back on fast enough after a Puerto Rican hurricane the democrats demand impeachment, probably including this guy.

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sorrytodisagree 1 point ago +1 / -0

And that's how routine toxicology of liver tissue, however debatable an indicator, can become crucial to nailing down COD from the conflicting possibilities. The cause is not even agreed upon by the two politically cornered MEs, let alone skeptics on both sides of the high stakes issue. There aren't many other avenues of pursuit other than that glaring omission. The officers' lawyers could certainly use that omission to bring into question the validity of the autopsy findings.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +2 / -0

The autopsy states Floyd's liver appeared healthy via gross physical examination. Making further toxicology even more important to possibly gauge his sensitivity to opioids. Given the "virgin" appearance of his liver it's just more weight to the possibility of overdose.

You of course realize rat testing by design bears great resemblance to human results. And those same indicators are expected to be detectable even if not easily quantifiable. Even a lack of definitive results doesn't preclude the effort of liver or even blood toxicology which can also yield dubious conclusions. The reason both are usually performed in overdose cases. Do you have a theory on why postmortem liver toxicology is performed and referenced so often in human overdose autopsies, yet is suddenly questionable practice in this case?

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sorrytodisagree 4 points ago +4 / -0

He could run into the middle of the street, hit his head on the pavement unable to break his fall while cuffed etc. He was hazardous enough just forcing them to sit outside the car near traffic.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +4 / -2

And the other officers too. Massive wrongful termination and defamation settlements incoming. Minneapolis is going to need two federal bailouts.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

Even from a purely empirical perspective that while liver toxicology may be redundant in many cases making an overdose determination, it's usually performed anyway to corroborate. For instance borderline blood levels are more likely to be fatal in people whose liver shows no evidence of chronic drug use meaning they had no built up tolerance. Less data doesn't make for good science.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +2 / -0

Let's put it this way. If Floyd had been brought in unidentified with no news or videos to complicate the issue, they likely would have determined overdose perhaps complicated by coronary artery disease as cause of death based on the physical evidence alone. Then the notorious cell video emerges afterwards... Is the family or black community going to remain happy with an overdose determination despite them neglecting to investigate liver toxicology? That oversight could become quite the contentious sticking point. We simply have a vice versa here. A questionable determination based on incomplete autopsy data. The crux of the matter being liver toxicology either way.

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sorrytodisagree 5 points ago +5 / -0

Their craft suffered an unfortunate collision with evidence that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +2 / -0

Blue city workers, welcome to the consequences of the democrat lockdown that we're all suffering. Be sure to vote Trump.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

You're missing the point. Cause of death was technically asphyxiation, which could have resulted from a heart attack, strangulation, or opioid induced respiratory depression. All three of these were strong possibilities. Both coroners guessed other than overdose despite a potentially fatal blood concentration of fentanyl, yet both admitted the other two factors may have played a role. It is therefore crucial to perform common tests to potentially support or eliminate those possibilities. Especially when a definitive answer could be so monumentally consequential. They even did a covid test for no reason! Why cut corners and eliminate the information liver toxicology could provide regarding overdose, even if it turns out redundant or useless?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6212520/

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sorrytodisagree 1 point ago +1 / -0

Conspicuously absent are toxicology results from liver tissue. That should be tested in any case where overdose might be the cause of death. It says they took liver samples. They only include blood and urine results. Looks like they avoided making a conclusion the overdose possibility, in favor of saying the knee might have played a factor.

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sorrytodisagree 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's hard to accurately gauge how much Fentanyl was in his system or for how long by blood samples alone. The liver is constantly absorbing toxins from the blood. He had a blood concentration that could be fatal or could be survivable varying from person to person. It would be negligent to determine overdose as COD by blood samples alone... equally to rule it out I think. They seem to have avoided making the most accurate conclusion on the overdose possibility by not even performing one of the basic tests. At least no mention of liver results in the report. Especially worrying in a case with so much political pressure and the crux of the matter being did George Floyd die of OD or police restraint. Cities burning over the conclusions makes it especially crucial in this case.

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