DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -5 points ago

Fuck off

You really should come up with a better retort when you realize you are wrong.

If you had read my posting more carefully (and my prior one), you would have realized I was referring to contract tracing for tuberculosis.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -3 points ago

Sorry, but your lame analogies are no substitute for epidemiology.

Any disease caused by a virus or bacteria has a minimal infective dose. It's a distribution, rather than a single number: the lowest threshold that will infect 50% of average people. But, it's extremely unlikely a single particle will infect someone, because there are too many factors that can block it.

We don't know the amount for COVID-19, but it's believed to be relatively small because it's so contagious. But, that might also be caused by the high viral load in infected people.

Seriously, do some research instead of making up dumb (and inaccurate) analogies. You might learn something useful, and not embarrass yourself.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -5 points ago

That many people weren't required because we've been successful in reducing the number of cases.

Contact tracing isn't "surveillance". It's an an attempt to determine who might have been exposed. If you were diagnosed with COVID-19, wouldn't you want your friends and family to know about it? If you are working, what about your co-workers?

This is what contact tracers will be asking: who were you in close contact with for more than a few minutes?

The CDC is finding that fleeting casual contact isn't resulting in an infective dose. You don't catch one by walking by someone. You have to engage in a conversation for several minutes. Shouting (like you would do in a loud bar) reduces that time.

Singing has also resulted in a "super spread": 45 of 60 people rehearsing in a church choir were infected with COVID-19 despite maintaining their distance, albeit in the same room.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 4 points ago

Here's another look at Ohio:


Unfortunately, it doesn't report new cases by county. But, you can see the total number of cases and deaths by county.

Click on the column header to sort by totals, and you can see how it's unevenly distributed. Maybe you'll recognize the county names and can associate them with the map you posted. Unfortunately, it doesn't calculate a rate (per 1M) for the metrics.

If Ohio is like my state, about half of the new cases and new deaths are occurring in only a few counties. It's on the decline or disappeared completely in most counties.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -7 points ago

Sorry, but the chain link fence analogy is bullshit.

The virus isn't expelled out of your mouth by itself. It rides water and mucus droplets. A cloth mask is quite capable of capturing these droplets. Smaller ones might sneak out (or around the mask), but they will contain less virus, and lower the amount of virus you would inhale if you are in close proximity.

Again, the article acknowledges this: Even if a mask only catches 50 percent of the droplets, that doubles the time someone nearby would have to inhale them to receive an infective dose (assuming all droplets are the same size, which they aren't).

You can believe whatever you want. But, the only people that are scared are those that are afraid they look dumb in a mask. Yes, you do. But, nobody cares except you.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 1 point ago

The relationship between reelection of incumbents and the economy is well-known. This isn't news.

But, it's unlikely to apply this time, because the health of the economy is tied to two factors that are completely unprecedented:

  • A biological attack on the US. Yes, it might have been due to negligence, but few people question China's responsibility. This crisis is more akin to a war than an economic crisis.
  • The uneven impact: Blue states are the worst hit, and they wouldn't have voted for the incumbent, anyway. Red states are opening back up, and they'll have a head start.

Wartime Presidents tend to win re-election, unless the war is unpopular. And Trump's handling of this crisis has increased his popularity, except among those that would never admit he is doing a good job.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -6 points ago

Did you read the article? It says outright that the evidence is mixed.

Remaining 6 feet apart also has limited effectiveness (because air currents can extend it). But, that doesn't mean you abandon it completely.

She didn't say the masks were ineffective. She said the masks may only be 50%-75% effective. But, her concern is that masks gave a false sense of security, and that people would stop keeping their distance from each other.

I really wish people would read beyond the headline. The headline is often written by an ignorant journalist, and is often contradicted by the content of the article.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -4 points ago

Contact tracing has been done in the US for contagious diseases for decades: i.e. tuberculosis and STDs.

Unlike other countries, the US doesn't have widespread vaccination for tuberculosis. So, if someone is diagnosed with it (usually because they brought it in from another country), contact tracing is used to identify people that may have been exposed, so they can be tested before they spread it further.

It's been successful, as the number of TB cases diagnosed each year in the US has been declining for 35 years:


DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -11 points ago

Cloth masks aren't to protect you. It's to protect other people from you, if you are infected and don't know it.

It's the same reason doctors wear cloth masks in the OR: to protect the patient. If the patient is infected, they wear full PPE to protect themselves, not cloth masks.


CDC continues to study the spread and effects of the novel coronavirus across the United States. We now know from recent studies that a significant portion of individuals with coronavirus lack symptoms (“asymptomatic”) and that even those who eventually develop symptoms (“pre-symptomatic”) can transmit the virus to others before showing symptoms. This means that the virus can spread between people interacting in close proximity—for example, speaking, coughing, or sneezing—even if those people are not exhibiting symptoms. In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends wearing cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain (e.g., grocery stores and pharmacies) especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 1 point ago

All joking aside, it's the Commie Chinese thing to do.

I have a friend living there. She says that you can't enter any business (restaurant, etc.) without scanning a barcode at the entry with your smartphone.

It's all logged in a central database.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -2 points ago

My suggestion:

No posts at all until you hit a threshold for comment karma. But, it has to be high enough that a new user can't just spam a lot of comments. Each comment you make adds a karma point, and downvotes don't decrement it.

Or make it a ratio: if you have X comment karma, you can make X/10 posts per day.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 2 points ago

If you bought enough toilet paper and paper towels that you have to return them months later, then YOU are the greedy one.

Did you think you could sell them for a profit? How did that work out for you?

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 4 points ago

Worldwide, there are nearly 200 clinical trials in progress or pending that involve hydroxychloroquine, either alone or in combination with other things like azithromycin or zinc. There are over 50 in the US alone.

The medical community should start seeing the results, soon. I'm particularly interested in the use of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis, as I have a family member that would benefit.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 0 points ago

Thanks, I appreciate the followup. I hadn't even thought of the HIPAA implications.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 4 points ago


“The issue in the Seattle case appears to be that the test results are being used not only by researchers for surveillance of the virus in the community but that the results are also being returned to patients to inform them,” the Times reported Friday.

Researchers were supposed to be using it only to track the spread of COVID-19, and not tell the patients. The reason: the FDA has different standards for surveillance testing and diagnostic testing. So, the FDA ordered a halt to the testing.

Maybe someone can provide the difference in standards for surveillance testing and diagnostic testing, but I'll speculate that surveillance testing doesn't have to meet the same accuracy standards as diagnostic testing.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] -1 points ago

I've been in the technology business since the 70's. The technology you are using today is the result of many decades of research and development. It's hard work, and often requires a lot of trial and error to get it right.

Suggesting it was "implanted" is a middle-finger to those of us that spent our entire career working long hours to create the breakthroughs that put a device in your hand that outperforms (by many times) a 20th century supercomputer.

So, go to hell.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 0 points ago

Libby's sentence was commuted by Bush, and was ultimately pardoned by Trump. The reason: the prosecution's case hinged on a journalist's unclear notes. She recanted (relatively) recently, saying that she was pressured by the prosecution to misrepresent her notes.

But, the part that should make you really angry: the special prosecutor knew from the start who revealed Plame's non-official cover. It was Richard Armitrage in the State Dept. He told Novak she was in the CIA, after seeing her name on an unclassified memo. Armitrage immediately went to the special prosecutor and "confessed". He was never prosecuted, because he didn't leak information he knew to be classified.

But, the special prosecutor kept investigating anyway, desperate to find someone in the Bush administration to prosecute.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 0 points ago

(a) No, they don't. Portals like DDG and Startpage don't retain identifiable data, so there's nothing to provide. Bing and Google tell you they do retain identifiable data, and you can see it yourself. You can delete it from your copy of your history, but it isn't deleted from their copy of your history.

(b) Read your own news link. It's not a law. It's an amendment to a bill that hasn't passed either the House or the Senate.

(c) Look back through this thread: I wrote that a warrant was required for cell phone location data, and it's backed by a SCOTUS decision. Congress could pass a law to make it available without a warrant, and it would quickly be struck down by the precedent.

Seriously, you really should stop digging holes for yourself. You are just making yourself look like an idiot, again and again.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 6 points ago

The only reason Hitler and Mussolini are "right wingers" is because the left doesn't want to admit they were left-wingers, and they represent the final form of leftism.

So, academia and Misleadia set out to rewrite history to make them "right wingers".

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 19 points ago

They got the idea from China.

Yes, I'm serious. To enter a business, you must use your smartphone to scan the barcode at the doorway, and it's logged.

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 1 point ago

When cases in New York City and the surrounding areas got out of control, President Trump floated the idea of shutting down travel to and from the state. Cuomo was irate and said a quarantine of New York would be a "federal declaration of war." According to a tracing study detailed by The New York Times, the disease spread around the country as New Yorkers traveled.

"New York City's coronavirus outbreak grew so large by early March that the city became the primary source of new infections in the United States, new research reveals, as thousands of infected people traveled from the city and seeded outbreaks around the country," the paper found and published on May 7. "The research indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the country before the city began setting social distancing limits to stop the growth. That helped to fuel outbreaks in Louisiana, Texas, Arizona and as far away as the West Coast." "The findings are drawn from geneticists' tracking signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people and models of the outbreak by infectious disease experts," the reporting continues.

I propose that we no longer call it the "Wuhan virus". In most of the US, it's the "NYC virus".

DisgustedByMisleadia [S] 0 points ago (edited)

It will depend on how well Foxconn does in India, with respect to cost and quality.

Foxconn tried to set up a manufacturing facility in Brazil for the same reason: to avoid tariffs. But, the cost of technology transfer, the low productivity of employees, the recalcitrance of the unions, etc. actually made the iPhones more expensive than ones that were built in China and subjected to the tariff.

That's quite a feat, as Brazil's tariffs on smartphones are >60%. I was there about a decade ago, and couldn't believe the prices on electronic consumer goods: they were about twice what it would cost in the US. I was told by my hosts that the tariffs were up to 100%.

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