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trumprulez456 878 points ago +880 / -2

NY Post did the fact checking. That's their job as the news organization.

FB's job is to simply serve as the platform to distribute the content without censorship. Otherwise, you are by definition a publisher.

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WiscDeplo 341 points ago +343 / -2

THIS

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realJohnBarron 172 points ago +173 / -1

Facebook wants regulation to develop from their censorship, section 230 reform or otherwise. They'd likely play a part in writing the laws and once in place they would have an ultimate monopoly being big enough to comply with regulations.

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DonJr2032 118 points ago +118 / -0

FaceBook's new Job is to censor conservatives and help leftists win elections.

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BigIronBigIron 66 points ago +67 / -1

Our job as Americans, when vexed by tyrants, is to

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TheDONSupreme 74 points ago +74 / -0

Water the tree

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July_1776 29 points ago +29 / -0

Yeet.

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IronMaiden 18 points ago +18 / -0

In minecraft of course...

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befehlistbefehl 8 points ago +8 / -0

Bone meal the sapling!

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wrathofdog 5 points ago +6 / -1

At this rate, we'll all still be giggling over Minecraft jokes as they steal the election, ban you for saying it was stolen, and arrest Trump and his family for Russian collusion.

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ENTP 2 points ago +3 / -1

... sit on the internet and pout. Ain’t nobody doing shit lmao

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trumprulez456 16 points ago +16 / -0

As well as help CCP-aligned politicians win elections.

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Doggfaceponysoldier 8 points ago +8 / -0

But, but...Russian trolls!!

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N7fury 34 points ago +34 / -0

This is why I think the best way to go after big tech is antitrust laws

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The_Litehaus_Abides 32 points ago +32 / -0

These are blatant in-kind donations to the Democrat party.

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rootGoose 10 points ago +10 / -0

The DOJ should AT LEAST start here while they prep for antitrust violations.

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President_Sanders 5 points ago +5 / -0

No, first there needs to be an injunction, on penalty of law, to cease and desist with acting as a publisher until this is resolved.

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rootGoose 2 points ago +2 / -0

I stand corrected.

From your keyboard to God's ears.

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giftofthegame 22 points ago +23 / -1

This. We need to be thoughtful of the approach here. It is not quite fair that FB acts as a publisher with blatant bias and deceit. Changing regulations and policy could be a solution - but it will also be an opportunity for FB to become a supporter and involved in writing it, hence crushing their smaller competitors in the process. It is a tough nut to crack.

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Lichtenfeld 34 points ago +34 / -0

All we need to do is to enforce the existing law. Section 230 lets you choose between being a platform and being a publisher. Facebook has tried to be both, but their editorial policy means that they’re a publisher. Therefore, every time someone posts copyright-infringing material on Facebook, Facebook is legally responsible for it and can be sued. (Remember the DMCA? You really don’t want to be sued under its provisions!) If they don’t like it, they can stop censoring and go back to being a platform.

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DeplorableDebutante 16 points ago +16 / -0

The only winning move is mass exodus from all platforms and to make sure these tech firms aren't included in any of our investments.

That would have to do -something- right? Or would leaving the platforms all at once be worse?

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Dictator_Bob 12 points ago +12 / -0

There will not be a mass exodus until there is a disruptive technology. Copycats like Parler are not enough, these are just the same systems ran by different teams. People will leave in droves when they get what they want. That has to be more than what modern social networks offer.

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Lichtenfeld 3 points ago +3 / -0

These places live or die on the quality of their users. I’ve heard that Reddit has become a pretty boring place these days; leaving the big platforms would also work well.

Divesting from them would be a good move even if they’re on our side: none of them, especially Facebook, have much of a moat or offer particularly essential services. I’m more interested in how Exxon-Mobil is paying a 10% dividend right now...

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zipodk 6 points ago +6 / -0

Reddit lol... look at this shit https://i.imgur.com/ZI3UFpH.png

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Thrasymachus 4 points ago +4 / -0

FB is demonstrably acting as a publisher. That makes them responsible, in point of fact, for being the largest distributor of child pornography the world has ever seen (by a surprising margin, apparently). A functioning DoJ could drag their billion-dollar legal team screaming through so much barbed wire that they'd be begging, gasping, pleading to be allowed to continue to operate at all, as an entirely neutral affair policing only criminal behavior.

We don't have anything like that DoJ, however.

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Lichtenfeld 2 points ago +2 / -0

I did not know that part! If we actually get useful actions in Trump’s second term, Zuckerbot will be lucky if he just ends up on a gallows!

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Thrasymachus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yea, from what I've read, heaps of cretins & perverts--being both awful and stupid--use whatever digital platform they already happen to be using to distribute their "material" with nary a second thought. Boggles the mind that there are people like that...

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Jimmy33 1 point ago +1 / -0

THIS is best antifa (idea) I’ve heard so far !!! Needs its own post.

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giftofthegame 4 points ago +4 / -0

But even platforms do have decisions to make around editing. For instance, things like 'gore' or any potential illegal content might have to be censored (and either an algo or person has to physically do that).

We might need to reinforce things like 'misinformation' or 'hate speech' are NOT things that would be included in my examples above. And even FALSE information should be protected under the 1st amendment. Something like that? We need to figure out that line since these snakes will just claim that 'words are harmful' and use that to justify their editorial decisions.

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MuadDon 7 points ago +7 / -0

Easiest solution I don't see here is to not use Facebook. Why bend over backwards to regulate something just because grandma and karen won't stop using a service? I understand why it is truly evil, but maybe we all should just redpill some more folks instead.

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Fauxcahantos 2 points ago +2 / -0

deleted my account a long time ago

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trumprulez456 5 points ago +8 / -3

Free market competition is really the only way out. As much as I hate to say it, FB has the right to freedom of speech. Technically speaking, censoring content on your private platform is a right any company has.

Regulations are only going to make matters worse to your point.

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Dictator_Bob 8 points ago +10 / -2

Freedom of speech? Are you fucking kidding me? Is it censorship to prevent powerful wealthy tech companies from grooming your children?

Fuck Facebook, there needs to be massive investigations into this company and their entire board. There is collusion happening at high levels that are illegal, seditious, and likely traitorous.

Root it out.

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trumprulez456 -2 points ago +3 / -5

All political rhetoric and hyperbole aside, free market capitalism is the solution.

I'm no fan of facebook and got rid of my account over 8 years ago as soon as they went public.

Regulating them is not going to be effective because Facebook's true power isn't on the front end. It's on the back end on the artificial intelligence side. And I guarantee you, no member of Congress has the knowledge of how the technology works to truly regulate it.

Most of them can barely do high school level math, much less understand the algorithms on FB's back end.

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Dictator_Bob 3 points ago +3 / -0 (edited)

That wasn't hyperbole, your argument is ridiculous bullshit.

Plenty of congressmen and women understand what the military application of social media algorithms contain. The same people AOC calls "tech illiterate" when she couldn't operate a smart TV at home. The same AOC that worked with the Communist Party of China to sabotage a political straw poll at the Tulsa rally, using an advanced set of attack patterns through the TikTok algorithm.

I don't apply laissez-faire to sedition or treason. I also do not apply it to military matters and I think it is very fair to discuss social networks in term of weaponization, especially in relation to AI. I do not apply free market economics to collusion with the state, violation of civil rights (1st, 4th, and 5th), and fraud.

The idea that "the free market" is operating with FANG companies is in itself an absolute joke.

Facebook needs to be broken up, and open sourced to the actual free market. That is a laissez-faire approach. Again, after the trials.

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Vikki_hearts_Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

When you have multinational companies that don't have to follow American laws, there has to be another solution other than the free market. They are so large that they can purchase or bankrupt any companies that attempt to enter the market with them and they don't even have to play by the rules. Multinational corporations have become the problem. They stifle the ability of small businesses to enter the free market and grow/compete. I have no idea what needs to be done, but the free market can no longer do it. It only worked when American companies, hiring and selling to Americans competed with the same.

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Fabius 1 point ago +1 / -0

98% of Facebook's revenue comes from advertising on it's service.

If you want to hurt Facebook, stop using it.

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MagaroniNCheese 7 points ago +8 / -1

Facebook does not have freedom of speech. That is a protected right for individuals. Andy Stone and Fuckerberg have individual freedom of speech, but Facebook is not a person.

As a company, there are restrictions and regulations around whether Facebook can be liable for the content it hosts and, therefore, whether they have the right and responsibility to regulate that content. If they are a platform, as in a vehicle for unregulated distribution, they are not liable for content but also do not have the authority to manage said content. If they are a publisher, then they can manage content however they want, but in turn are liable for everything on their site.

Platforms get legal protections, publishers do not. Facebook is clearly a publisher. Their choices are total hands-off approach to content management and full transparency with their algorithms, or liability for anything anyone posts on their profiles.

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trumprulez456 1 point ago +2 / -1

Freedom of Speech is not the only right protected under the First Amendment. As you are well aware, along with Speech, the First Amendment protects Freedom of Religion.

A few years ago, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby when it came to their exclusion of contraceptives from their employee medical benefits package because of the company's religious beliefs:

The Green Family (owners of Hobby Lobby, Inc) organized the business around the principles of the Christian faith and has explicitly expressed the desire to run the company according to Biblical precepts, one of which is the belief that the use of contraception is immoral.

I think we can all agree this was a principled and fair decision.

The question I would have for you is, with Section 230 "platform" versus "publisher" distinctions aside for the moment, why would Facebook not have Freedom of Speech protection while Hobby Lobby should have Freedom of Religion protection?

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PinochetFanboy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then maybe the answer is something like false advertising enforcement: if you say you are a believer and your company's position is XYZ, then you can shill as hard as you want among your clients, employees and policies. If you say you're a truly for-profit organization, then investors and clients should be able to personally sue the board or their subordinates for company positions or statements that aren't in support of maximizing profits and market share.

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YourWifesBoyfriend 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't use a website if you don't like it.

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Fabius -3 points ago +1 / -4

Facebook can do nothing to impede your speech. You can say whatever you want. But much like here at TD, Facebook has the absolute right to kick and ban you off of their service.

The End.

Facebook is not a publisher. It is a heavily moderated platform. There is no editorial process involved with Facebook posts. Only moderation. You're pipe dreaming. The only solution is to stop using it.

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OnlyAmerica 3 points ago +6 / -3

LMAO don't fall for the commie bullshit that is "corporation = people".

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trumprulez456 1 point ago +3 / -2

Do you really want the government to start forcing corporations for example like a Hobby Lobby to start selling LGBT wedding products or forcing them to include birth control as part of their employee benefits package when it goes against the company's religious beliefs?

Corporations may not be "people" but if a corporation is being run by a group of people who share certain religious values, the First Amendment protects those liberties. Free speech is included in this protection.

Please tell me where the "commie bullshit" lies in those protections, because quite frankly, I can't see it.

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STEVE_HUFFMANS_BULL 3 points ago +3 / -0

That’s not really the same thing. The equivalent to labeling any physical store as a platform would be forcing them to allow random people to walk inside and sell their own stuff (as long as it’s not drugs or something illegal).

Facebook’s entire purported business model is exactly that, except digital. Their censorship is equivalent to a store saying “hey Steve, feel free to come in here and sell dildos. We’ll make sure to promote your shop. John, you’re wanting to sell Bibles? We can’t have any of that, GTFO”

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OnlyAmerica 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am not a legal expert so I don't have an answer for you. But my life experience tells me that any collective entities are dangerous because occasionally the very rare bad apples can hide behind and exert unfathomable destructions without repercussion.

You can't convince me communism isn't bad and you won't convince me Facebook isn't bad for humanity.

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Thrasymachus 1 point ago +1 / -0

If Hobby Lobby somehow, for some magic reason, became so ubiquitous that it began to constitute a fundamental component of American social life you're goddamn right they would no longer be morally allowed to prohibit LGB (fuck T) wedding products.

Facebook isn't some little bookstore. They became a digital town square. You're making a false equivalency, knowingly or not.

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Ct187 3 points ago +4 / -1

They do have the right to censor what they want on their platform if they are considered a publisher.

They are acting as a blatant publisher while enjoying the legal privileges of being a platform.

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Seadgs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nah man you are missing the point.

Section 230 already makes them one or the other.

It is a liability PROTECTION for platforms. In that if a user, on a user centric platform, uploads illegal content to the site. That site will not be held responsible (within reason they can't just ignore it)

But if you gatekeep what is or is not allowed that means you are taking an active editorial position and are now liable for the content.

You can not have both, enjoying liability protection as a user platform while curating content. Also repealing 1 piece of regulation in an already heavily regulated environment does not make it a free market.

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Dictator_Bob 5 points ago +5 / -0

Breaking the company into pieces would be a good start. Before the investigations into their criminal behavior are finished, too.

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Seadgs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Classification as a platform also protects them from any illegal images posted as they don't have editorial control.

You can't have you cake and eat it too.

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President_Sanders 2 points ago +2 / -0

Let them help. Then break them into a thousand pieces afterwards, with antitrust laws.

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Imransgarage 6 points ago +6 / -0

Ok let’s just break them all up then problem solved!!

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King 5 points ago +5 / -0

they are the new myspace

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AllTheWayTrump 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wish legislators would make a law that any laws, regulations, etc need to be written by the people elected and not corporate lawyers.

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Brenmcel 2 points ago +2 / -0

Never thought of that angle.

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Truthdose 2 points ago +2 / -0

Basically every corporation ever

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Pepbrandt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Totally agree. What's the answer then? Let them fizzle out on their own? Break them up into smaller companies?

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twowomps 67 points ago +67 / -0

Don’t forget the 60 minutes Australia piece that was censored in The US

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ODOnRedPill 28 points ago +28 / -0

Oh snap! What was it about?! Never heard a thing about it.

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ODOnRedPill 28 points ago +28 / -0

WWOOOOOOOWWWW!! How in the ever living fuck can people NOT see how biased and inflammatory the corporate media has been in all of this? My god this is fucked up.

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CantThinkOfUserName 12 points ago +12 / -0

Is this related to the interview with Tara Reide (Joe Biden sexual harassment victim) that only ran in Austalia.

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HunterSthompson420 7 points ago +7 / -0

On Tara Reid ?

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maga4all39 29 points ago +29 / -0

Should just sue them. Is there any official registration of FB as protected by 230 or is it just assumed? Can't imagine it would survive a court battle.

Personally, if we add a rule saying that you can sue a 230 company for fraud in their moderation, I'd be content. Just make the bar reasonable for the little guy to pass.

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Lichtenfeld 19 points ago +19 / -0

Section 230 lets you be a platform or a publisher. Facebook is trying to be a platform and a publisher. What they’re doing is already illegal; we just need to enforce existing laws. They censor; that makes them a publisher; that makes them liable for any and all illegal content on their system (including copyright infringements and breaches of libel laws).

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JackIsALarp 11 points ago +11 / -0

I used to post about this topic a lot on the old TDr. Always downvoted. Now its a thing. I imagine some were shills, but I also imagine some "just didn't think it was relevant."

It's ALWAYS been relevant to us. And not just to us. To all of those non-politicals that just want to make entertainment videos out of pop culture and recent happenings around Americana. Many of them have also been decimated or left to figure out how to even make videos anymore.

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Lichtenfeld 3 points ago +3 / -0

I wasn’t on the old site, but I’m sorry to hear this. Section 230 enforcement should have been a thing in 2016!

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trumprulez456 8 points ago +8 / -0

I wonder if NY Post could sue Facebook at this point.

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Based_Trumpster 8 points ago +9 / -1

Should just sue them

No. It's time to build guillotines in the town square.

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D3vst8r 4 points ago +4 / -0

just assumed under "good faith"

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lispboy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Didn't Obama pass a law that you can't sue the media/publishers for libel?

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NessInOnett 22 points ago +22 / -0

Therein lies the problem of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider

Facebook is getting around the publisher problem by using a "third-party" fact-checker. The third party falls under "another information content provider", so Facebook gets to skirt around the laws.

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GAGASays 16 points ago +16 / -0

Which is pretty weak because a real third party fact check is some asshole posting in the comments about CHECK YOUR FACTS. Getting a vendor with access to your API provide a fact check that is built into the User Interface is not very "third party".

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The_Litehaus_Abides 10 points ago +10 / -0

Remember when all this "fact checking" bullshit started? It was the 2016 election and Hillary's go-to every time it was pointed out she was wrong about something.

ALL of these "fact checkers" are Democrat operatives.

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D3vst8r 15 points ago +16 / -1

allowing for selective curation is editorializing

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kag_patriot 6 points ago +6 / -0

Wouldn't the NY Post be "another information content provider" in this case? FB is still determining what is/isn't acceptable content to be posted, thus acting as a publisher. To me it seems they're not skirting around the laws, they're just not being punished for breaking them.

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HatnNewLognReqs 2 points ago +2 / -0

This

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thereal____ 16 points ago +16 / -0

Wait, that can’t be true. Facebook hasn’t told me that it is a fact yet.

I’ll wait.

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TillaMAGA 6 points ago +6 / -0

Fake news. How is a biased media conglomerate with only 232 million US persons on their platform supposedly able to "rig an election"?

( /s )

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ParticleCannon 11 points ago +11 / -0

Besides, how do you fact check pictures?

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Darby_Clause 9 points ago +9 / -0

By adding a caption that says they are "Mostly False: These pictures are taken out of context....blah blah fucking blah..."

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bubadmt 4 points ago +4 / -0

"CNN: Hunter Biden was the lead in a Broadway rendition of Grease, in which he plays a greaser. The photos were staged and did not involve any actual wrongdoing."

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Darby_Clause 5 points ago +5 / -0

He also looks like he's sleeping in the pic with the crack pipe in his mouth. His defense will be that the crack whore he was with staged the photo. The other photos will be called "private" and the MSM will scold everyone for daring to share photos of an addict struggling with addiction.

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trumprulez456 2 points ago +2 / -0

Any news organization worth their salt will check the source of the image and likely won't even publish the photograph without speaking directly to the person who released it.

Whether they release the identity of the person who released the image is a different story.

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GAGASays 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can look at the embedded tags/metadata like when it was taken, the device that took it, GPS coordinates, etc. Sure, they can be faked, but what can't?

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NewUser1758 8 points ago +8 / -0

Facebook "fact checking" it, is certified proof that the emails are real, Joe is involved in every one of Hunter's dirty dealings.

If it weren't true, they wouldn't censor it.

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trumprulez456 5 points ago +5 / -0

Not only that, but it probably took the NY Post several months or even years of investigating to finally track down enough reliable sources to find these images and facts of the Hunter Biden Ukraine story.

But Facebook is going to "fact-check" the NY Post's anonymous sources and investigative journalism methods?

Our media has become so corrupt that we have forgotten what true journalism looks like. Real journalism is a science and an art all its own.

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ODOnRedPill 6 points ago +6 / -0

WRONG-THINK DETECTED. You shall pay for your thought crimes!!!!

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EnoughPAU 3 points ago +4 / -1

Facebook is the enemy of the American people, along with the corrupt media, google and twitter.

Just a total lack of integrity. What a disgrace.

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MrAlwaysRight 3 points ago +3 / -0

They’re a publisher and they know it’s all or nothing. They have to have dems win it all or they’re fucked.

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Liberty-Or-Death 2 points ago +3 / -1

Yep, but as we've seen, it doesn't matter because NOTHING EVER HAPPENS!!!

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Tylerlc22 2 points ago +2 / -0

honestly, will we see the day when they are treated as such. It should have happened already

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WU_HAN_FRU 2 points ago +2 / -0

And, by law, not eligible for the monopoly you never should have been granted in the first place.

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barronwin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Facebook is Pro-Trump. They are more worried of the Democrats because the democrats actively want to break them up

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Fauxcahantos 1 point ago +1 / -0

😂😂😂remember when you guys thought something was going to be done about that

and also OMG OMG OMG you guys AG Barr legit has the papers ready for anti-trust against google 😂😂😂😂

This is why I always say not to believe anything until it ACTUALLY happens.

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JesusLovesTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem is the pool of fact checking news outlets coincidentally are all libtards.

It's a loophole

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PurestEvil 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah but...... all these sites have long proven that they act as publishers..... so why is nothing happening about it?

"Skidaddle Skidoodle, your site is now a noodle."

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Jaqen 2 points ago +2 / -0

Except Facebook is not a platform, they are a publisher, that retains ownership over all user submitted content on their service, to do whatever they want with at any time without warning or explanation.

Says so right in the user agreement everyone failed to read before agreeing to it when signing up.

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trumprulez456 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's a fair point. It's funny because I literally just made a comment about their TOS further down in this same thread like two seconds ago.

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RedPillAction 1 point ago +1 / -0

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MrFrog 189 points ago +190 / -1

I love the Trump team, but they gotta do something about this. I know its hard, I've always been patient (and still am), I'm still on board, but do something.

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Isolated_Patriot 120 points ago +120 / -0

At this point I want Facebook, Twitter and Reddit's servers confiscated (pending investigation), the sites offlined and their assets sold to the lowest bidder.

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Peashout 29 points ago +29 / -0

Scatter the ashes to the wind.

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sgttoporbottoms 18 points ago +18 / -0

Fuck I’ll bid $1 just to piss on everything they own

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ILickStones-InFours 5 points ago +5 / -0 (edited)

Be smarter than that, pede. Bid a negative billion...

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magaroniAndCheese 3 points ago +3 / -0

oh yeah, its big brain time

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KeepTheFaith 9 points ago +9 / -0

This is the way.

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Slick_Willy 7 points ago +7 / -0

I bid negative 1 billion.

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AprilShowers 5 points ago +5 / -0

Start with Google.

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bonejack 2 points ago +2 / -0

Does a discarded toe nail count as a low bid?

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Fabius 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, that's just as crazy as the left.

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sweetcaviar 50 points ago +50 / -0

This needs to happen. This isn't about the election, this is about control of information and effective elimination of the first amendment. I want to hear less "they're fake news" and more "they're going to jail."

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TheDonWon 12 points ago +12 / -0

Yup. I don’t believe we live in a simulation, but I do believe we’re watching them create it.

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OneBreathe 19 points ago +19 / -0

I wonder if the same standards apply to Trump news? My guess is no. Facebook lets the fake news of Trump run rampant, while they protect Crack Pipe Hunter!

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leahcim 10 points ago +12 / -2

We know Trump would if he could. We may need to face the reality that he simply can't do it alone. It may ultimately come down to something we have to fix one day.

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ODOnRedPill 9 points ago +9 / -0

As long as any laws that are implemented don't solidify silicon valley's strength I'm all for it.

The troubling thing about all of this is how many people in congress have been bought and/or are ideology sympathetic to the technocracy's cause.

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Journey95 4 points ago +4 / -0

For some reason they won't..Twitter has been censoring many of Trump's tweets even yet nothing.

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MagaroniNCheese 1 point ago +1 / -0

I’m praying Trump has been working something on the back end. Add this to the election wish list.

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MelonSoda 1 point ago +3 / -2

it's not Trump, it's the RINOs bankrolled by big tech that won't let any legislation advance in either house of Congress

Trump did all he could with his limited power by signing that executive order

if he declared martial law and sends to the military to FB HQ he will 100% lose the election and be impeached by the corrupt swamp

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Highenergyhotties 134 points ago +134 / -0

Social Media sites ARE PUBLISHERS. Treat them as such.

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Mr_Dr_Jullian_Dunbar 30 points ago +31 / -1

Here comes Barr, lol, yea right, nevermind.

I really wonder what kind of fucked up stuff they have on him. He's a Bush/Clinton swamp creature.

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Silencemennow 7 points ago +7 / -0

Barr is about as toothless as Pelosi.

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Mr_Dr_Jullian_Dunbar 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well I guess Barr really likes those gummy style bjs from her.

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KingOfThighland 3 points ago +3 / -0

Barr prefers to blow the bagpipes if you catch my drift.

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SimpleJack 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hear bagpipes in the distance...

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Cigarettes 3 points ago +3 / -0

So much MISUNDERSTANDING in this thread (or maybe DELIBERATE MISINFORMATION)

The law governing this. Facebook is allowed to do this under 230(c)(2)(A)

(c) Protection for “Good Samaritan” blocking and screening of offensive material

(1) Treatment of publisher or speaker

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

(2) Civil liability

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be held liable on account of—

(A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or

(B) any action taken to enable or make available to information content providers or others the technical means to restrict access to material described in paragraph (1).[1]

The term "otherwise objectionable" is open to very broad interpretation. To make sites like Facebook count as a publisher Trump need more than an executive order, he'll need congress to change the law (which is why we've thus far seen social media companies disregard his executive order). That said, I'm not sure that changing the law would be good overall as then other platforms (including this site) could be found liable for users' posts on the site.

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deplorableman 2 points ago +2 / -0

"otherwise objectionable" lol, that just has to go, that literally could cover anything

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Jaqen 2 points ago +2 / -0

It is not up to use to decide what FB puts in their user agreement.

It is up to us to decide to not agree to their terms, instead of ignoring them and clicking "AGREE" and then complaining about the contract we agreed to after the fact.

The solution is simple: read the user agreement. See that it is terrible. Do not agree, do not use the service.

If more people paid attention and were educated consumers, we would never end up in the situation where an absolutely abusive trash company like FB holds a monopoly in a given market segment. We would have a multitude of options, ranging from terrible, to mediocre, to excellent, to meet the demands of the savvy shopper.

Instead we have braindead consumers who click AGREE without having the faintest clue as to what they just agreed to, and the resulting teeth gnashing afterwards.

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deplorableman 2 points ago +2 / -0

We're talking about the law, not the user agreement. You're missing the point.

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BathouseBarry 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah and the law has to be changed. These are companies

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Jaqen 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

You're missing the point.

Am I? Please elucidate exactly what your point is.

We're talking about the law, not the user agreement.

You might be, but if you are, then you are the one that is missing the point.

The reason these companies are not getting in trouble is because every single user with a potential gripe already contractually agreed to not have a say in the matter.

When you use those services, you pledge allegiance to their terms. You therefore have no recourse: either abide by the terms, or renege on the agreement.

Their lawyers set the terms well ahead of time and are not at all worried about how we doth protest too much after the fact that we agreed to said terms.

I do not point this out to lend credence to these crooked companies and their legalese. I am pointing out that the real problem is the myopic consumer that signs up for these services without understanding the terms of the agreement. The end user never had any of the rights that we lament are being abused.

Here is the solution: stop giving these publishers power. Stop using them. Put your money where your mouth is and only use services that treat you fairly. Stop using services that abuse you.

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Fabius 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is this site a publisher?

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mivvan 117 points ago +117 / -0

They are literally stealing the election right in front of our eyes by limiting NEWS that's not favorable to Biden in real time.

They think their power is so great that they are able to openly admit to it and nothing will happen to them.

Is the FBI so thoroughly corrupt that there will be no raids as a consequences of this statement?

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MuadDon 37 points ago +37 / -0

Is the FBI so thoroughly corrupt that there will be no raids as a consequences of this statement?

Yes. They were that way long before Zuck even hatched.

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Kulpinas 23 points ago +23 / -0

Lol the FBI are the ones who had Hunters laptop with this info since December. They are a criminal organization.

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Macatho 5 points ago +5 / -0

That’s the real sham in all of this. They allowed a bogus impeachment hearing to go through for the same alleged crime while they sat on this info.

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Mr_Dr_Jullian_Dunbar 7 points ago +8 / -1

What worries me is you're going to have tens of thousands of Ted Kaczynski types going rouge if nothing is done.

I know we're here to be high energy but this is a very very likely outcome if shit isn't brought to justice.

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Spirit_of_Resistance 3 points ago +4 / -1

Can confirm.

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Isolated_Patriot 5 points ago +5 / -0

They think their power is so great that they are able to openly admit to it and nothing will happen to them.

Is anyone going to prove them wrong?

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tragician 2 points ago +2 / -0

You just notice this? Reddit is pure Tencent propaganda. Twitter is censoring only conservative posts, all media in the bag against Trump. It's all foreign multinational companies who have made money over seas and have spent years paying Republicans and democrats in congress and the senate. All lining up against Trump.

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Formerlurker92 101 points ago +101 / -0

And facebook is still considered a platform why?

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novaks47 34 points ago +34 / -0

Democrat$$$$$$$$$$

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Kekintosh2020 11 points ago +11 / -0

Mike Lee

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philandy 2 points ago +2 / -0

They like it whichever way protects them. What needs to happen is to show they violate both platform and publisher at the same time (showing they're neither).

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Jaqen 2 points ago +2 / -0

The only people under the impression that Facebook is a platform are the ones that never read the end user license agreement.

The agreement clearly states FB can do whatever it wants with user submitted content, for any reason, at any time, and with no explanation.

If you read the EULA, none of this would be a surprise.

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EasyFlowElbow 65 points ago +65 / -0

For the love of God ARREST SOMEONE!!

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Mr_Dr_Jullian_Dunbar 19 points ago +20 / -1

It's because of "optics".

Deep state RINOs and normies have used this excuse for decades. I was biggly involved in a lot of pro America liberty based grassroots stuff up until 2012.

See dems like Rick Perry change from d to r and still act like a dem pandering to "conservative Texas Christians" while fucking over the middle class.

Last time I checked no Texas rep was for a borderwall or doing shit about illegals literally coming out of storm drains by the hundereds 7 days a week in San Antonio. Lived in Texas all my life and both d and rs loved Ann Crank Up The Texas Abortion Rate Richards.

Austin and Houston now have outspoken litteral communist DAs.

I gave up until 2017, because literally every single person I knew was an npc. It's a little better now, but the political theatre of mask faggots makes me realize we need to go full on maga to survive.

Seriously if the mask bullshit doesn't stop and we don't recognise this scam for what it is we can have a Trump character in every seat of power and our Republic and society will not last.

Seeing fake news and propaganda get spewed out like the stories I've heard about in 3rd world communist shitholes come here and nothing is done about it. Yet we have more Senate hearings and jack shit is done.

Phew. I needed to vent here pedes!

This is the truth.

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b9k9 2 points ago +5 / -3

Emotional types seem to view their life experience(s) as somehow unique and different. I would suggest studying a little history to hopefully gain some perspective.

If government didn't exist, it would have to be invented. It would be created by those who utilize it to gain power, control and wealth. As such, it's simply a cartel dressed up to camouflage reality.

One particular trait of republics is the need to gain (real or fabricated) buy-in from citizens. That's why the populace is subject to extensive brainwashing to ensure the belief that the US is some noble, representative force of good.

It's not. It's an incredibly powerful organization that can be used by the cunning and clever to wield against the naive and clueless. You know, competition over scarce resources, all is fair in love & war, and all that. Hillary was being entirely honest when she called average citizens deplorables.

As in, the masses are so stupid and clueless as to not get the inside joke even it one patiently explains it in detail. That's what cog dis is all about; that rationale mind rebels against facts.

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vahlok 5 points ago +5 / -0

You are mistaken. A democracy is the tyranny of the majority. Whoever controls the masses controls everything thus the brainwashing you spoke of.

The United States is a constitutional republic. Certain rights are endowed by God and can never be taken away regardless how the enslaved outnumber the free.

Over the past hundred years, the satanists and their ilk have been trying hard to subvert the very principle this nation was built upon. The cabal wants war, but it will not end the way they wanted.

God wins in the end.

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Rufus_Shinra 1 point ago +1 / -0

It really is the truth, and it's a sad fact that even the so called c onservstives in power do little to nothing to fight back against the leftists. They aren't fighters, they are in it for the prestige, wealth and power. Trump opened a lot of eyes, as we plainly see what corrupt cowards a lot of our representatives are.

The hard truth is it's gonna have to take a serious event to turn this all around st the state level. A very serious event.

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Staatssicherheit 10 points ago +13 / -3

Under what United States Code/Law?

We need to get more of our people in the DOJ. There is no difference between this and getting judges confirmed.

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nimble 1 point ago +1 / -0

SCOTUS is defense. DOJ is attack.

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maga4all39 9 points ago +12 / -3

If we don't see arrests after Trump's inauguration, we know the game is fully rigged. Act accordingly to protect our republic and democracy.

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KeepTheFaith -7 points ago +2 / -9

Dont be a doomer. Trust POTUS or GTFO

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maga4all39 12 points ago +12 / -0

Don't confuse me with Trump-hating losers. I love a lot of what he's doing. Particularly with sex slavery and trafficking.

My concern is that while we have a lot of good, it's meaningless if the rats never get held accountable and still hold power to stonewall. If he can't fix it with second term immunity, what hope is there for anything at this point? We have the evidence. We have the laws. We need arrests.

I'll be fair and wait a few more months, after having waited YEARS, but patience has a limit. Bad things are coming down the pipeline in our society. We don't have the luxury of time and well-wishing.

Point is, I'll trust him until he proves otherwise. Second term is his final exam and probably our last hope for a good while. You can blindly trust forever, but that's not for me.

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KeepTheFaith -8 points ago +1 / -9

In the midst of War, doubting your Commander is death.

We are at war. It's do or die.

Knock off the Doubt Porn

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KingOfThighland 6 points ago +8 / -2

quit being a fucking faggot.

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KeepTheFaith -1 points ago +2 / -3

Man. We left reddit.
It was good for a while.
Then morons like you show up recently to attempt to demoralize and name call.
Go back to reddit.

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Wingn -1 points ago +1 / -2

You are a mindless cult follower

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Wingn 0 points ago +1 / -1

Jesus how old are you?

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KeepTheFaith 1 point ago +1 / -0

Name calling doesn't work.

Try again.

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maga4all39 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm the one saying "Give him more time" among people saying "but he won't do anything! Give up now!"

He's done plenty. He's earned a little faith here. People need to chill out a bit.

That said, a commander is also responsible for results. What good is a commander that wins little skirmishes, but loses the war? The point was the goddamn war. That's why people are worried. They're soft and not used to this like you or I am.

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philandy 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is much you can do, but it isn't in your face obvious. You have to take a look at what's been framed out locally.

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Rufus_Shinra 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem is Trump is surrounded by the swamp. He is only one person and he relies on others who claim to be on his side, but really aren't. He can't even trust his own party. The entire system is corrupt.

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maga4all39 1 point ago +1 / -0

And like leftists, we need to start the slow march back through the institutions. Thankfully, we are making good progress.

SC and 9th Circuit are now back under our control. This will block any radical attempts to abuse the courts, a major wing of their strategy.

The Federal Reserve is slowly getting worked into a more manageable, less bank-run state. This means less action in favor of large corporations eventually. Still very early phases though.

Large swathes of human/drug trafficking are being affected. Pharma prices are going down (Big Pharma hates Trump right now). All good things that weren't happening before.

Financial staples of the Dems are getting gutted (union fees, media industry, trafficking/illicit funding, bailouts, etc.) which affects their ability to operate in every sense (they think everything is about money, but tie it all up in liquidity, thus creating an easy attack vector). This is part of why they did the BLM nonsense. They literally needed to raise money to keep things open. They're on the edge.

Better, less exploitative trade deals, which will and has helped our economy.

Dozens of RINOs have already resigned or were outed by the Dems in the midterms. They thought they won, but they helped us clean house while they made fools of themselves with impeachment/covid/etc. We're better off, they're divided and infighting.

Make no mistake. We are definitely winning. They don't know what to do. Their masterminds are dead and now they're slowly crumbling more and more. Media is less trusted than ever. The internet is going to slowly lose its sheen as it becomes more and more rigged to serve ads to eyeballs like a damn casino, turning people away. Everything is changing.

All we have to do is keep the Presidency and Senate, then take back the House. Our elected officials will be the way we take back this country. If you want to do more, run local for whatever position you can. Vote nationally, run locally. If you're young, maybe look at becoming a DA one day. Those are hot spots to control. Do your part!

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zabbers 2 points ago +2 / -0

What was wrong in what he said? "IF we don't see arrests...".

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astral-cracker 2 points ago +2 / -0

Imagine the storage cost for dtw if we could do meme replies

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Isolated_Patriot 42 points ago +42 / -0

So where were they in 2016 when the Russiagate conspiracy was flying around without a shred of evidence to support it?

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Avenatti2020 19 points ago +19 / -0

Jerking off to collusion fantasy porn

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LawfulSilentMajority 2 points ago +2 / -0

Was that the one where they pasted Trump's head on to the Hunter pee tape?

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supersecretaccount82 4 points ago +4 / -0

Also wonder if they happened to FaCt ChEcK the obviously fake "suckers and losers" story

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JohnMcCainsTumors 31 points ago +32 / -1

We need a fucking physical fight.

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ZeroDeltaTango 19 points ago +20 / -1

We need a fucking physical fight.

I do not see how Trump gets inaugurated in 2021 without one.

They are going to try to complete their coup against the United States by refusing to accept the election results and forcing the system to pick a winner by intentionally gumming up the works of a perfectly fine democratic republic, using the mechanisms of govt as a weapon against itself to bring it down.

They have suffered no repercussions at all for the election fraud, illegal wiretapping, espionage, lying to FISA court, illegal Mueller investigation, illicit impeachment for quid pro quo that Biden is the one caught on video doing, packing coronavirus positive people into nursing homes deliberately to kill sick and elderly patients when hospital ships were waiting to accept them...the list goes on. The deliberate, pre-planned, announced engineering of the virus by the lab in Wuhan, paid for by Fauci's $4 million investment. The insane criticism of Trump for "inaction" when he banned travel from China in JANUARY and warned of the outbreak Feb. 4 in the SOTU address; then Pelosi inviting the nation to join her for a superspreader event in Chinatown on FEBRUARY 24.

NO repercussions at all for that. That one invitation should have been instant political suicide for her, if republicans knew how to hammer people for their fucked-up behavior.

If they receive the same level of pushback they're getting now, they will be 100% successful in their quest to overthrow the govt of the United States and install communism in its place. They have had absolutely zero opposition to any of the hundreds of horrific crimes they've committed. No arrests, no indictments, and none coming for the foreseeable future. A known pedophile and traitor being allowed to run for president.

They will get away with it, and very very easily. It's going to happen, because there was no voter ID requirement for this election and no measures taken to stop fraud. They are sending out millions of ballots to everyone, even including duplicates, and there is nothing being done about it. At all. And there won't be.

We need to accept that fact and prepare for what comes next, after patriots realize too late what happened and must do another coup to retake their country. What a timeline.

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zabbers 4 points ago +4 / -0

Well when you put it that way it sounds bad.

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ZeroDeltaTango 1 point ago +2 / -1

Somewhat intended as reverse psychology to spur urge to vote

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zabbers 2 points ago +2 / -0

We really need to annihilate in the House and Senate.

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b9k9 -2 points ago +2 / -4

This is a two way street. Trump can pull a Napoleon III to effect the same results for the right.

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RopeForCNN 4 points ago +4 / -0

he won't.

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ZeroDeltaTango 0 points ago +1 / -1

J'aime bien.

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jgardner 2 points ago +3 / -1

Here's how he gets re-elected:

  1. Electors meet in their state capitals and vote.
  2. The Joint Session of congress meets to read the votes.
  3. President Trump gets re-inaugurated.

ANYTHING WHICH INTERFERES WITH THE ABOVE WILL BE MET WITH DEADLY FORCE.

That's how.

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ZeroDeltaTango 1 point ago +2 / -1

Works for me...if by votes you mean what you and I and most people mean, not votes as defined by the other side.

Their definition of "counting every vote" will be the one slavishly adhered to, even by R's, so as not to "make Trump look like a dictator, rushing to keep a grip on power, afraid of having all the votes counted." Sifting through bales upon bales, warehouses stacked with mail ballots postmarked by 11/3 (or so) = deliberately driving the chaos past the deadline. Nanzi has already announced the scheme.

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jgardner 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh no, there are only so many electors, and each ballot is read on the floor of congress. The way elections should be run -- completely open.

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ZeroDeltaTango 0 points ago +1 / -1

We're describing two different acts of voting

I'm saying they'll drag out the counting of the votes by the citizens

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jgardner 1 point ago +1 / -0

The vote of the citizens doesn't matter. It never did. In 2000 the legislature in Florida nearly passed a bill designating their electoral voted to Bush.

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ZeroDeltaTango 0 points ago +1 / -1

The vote of the citizens doesn't matter. It never did.

That's an opinion with no bearing on the delay tactic I'm referring to.

They will physically drag out the counting process of the votes by the citizens, the individual voters across the land who mail them in, not by the electors

That's the plan, to engineer enough chaos that the deadline passes

... continue reading thread?
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nietslekehs 30 points ago +30 / -0

ENFORCE 230

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spezisacuckold 2 points ago +2 / -0

Better yet RESCIND 230.

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CorruptAdamShiff 26 points ago +26 / -0

Share it with a url shortener or goog translate :)

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SpaceForceZulu 2 points ago +2 / -0

What does translate do?

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JuanTitor 2 points ago +2 / -0

My understanding is that it doesn't give them clicks or ad revenue.

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turdinthepunch 22 points ago +23 / -1

These leaks are relevant because they prove Hunter was getting contracts he obviously should not have been getting.

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Wrexxis780 7 points ago +7 / -0

Also proved that the FBI had this information during the impeachment hearings, when the president was asking for the same thing from Ukraine

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Oback_Barama 19 points ago +19 / -0

This NY Post story is full of LIES and pictures of also LIES!

-Facebook

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thereal____ 19 points ago +20 / -1

Every, fucking, media outlet on God’s green earth Better come to the NYPosts aid on this. This is horrible.

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Supersaiyanbroly737 16 points ago +16 / -0

So many questions.

Do we need CNN's permission before we can read Hunter's email?

Any chance that Fake News media will claim that the laptop technician is a Russian asset?

Why is a grownass man like Hunter taking too many selfies?

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richgoose 3 points ago +3 / -0

Cocaine is a helluva drug -

Rick James

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1A_FTW 14 points ago +14 / -0

What the fuck? Shouldn’t then all stories be under review for fact checking and therefore throttling?

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OneBreathe 13 points ago +13 / -0

I wonder if the same standards apply to Trump news? My guess is no. Facebook lets the fake news of Trump run rampant, while they protect Crack Pipe Hunter!

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HiddenDekuScrub 9 points ago +9 / -0

Facebook's fact check is a joke. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. The only thing that matters is Orange Man Bad.

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ColoRobo 8 points ago +8 / -0

Is this an "in kind" donation? Bongino swears this is the angle we need to be taking on this shit.

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memechallenger33 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yes, it is.

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cccpneveragain 7 points ago +7 / -0

Someone could really obviously photoshop Trump into that pic of Ralph Northam with the KKK and "Facebook's third-party fact checking partners" would be inclined to call it a totally real photo.

I think I can do my own fact checking instead.

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Chaotikizm 7 points ago +7 / -0

Facebook is just a propaganda wing.

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POWESHOW 6 points ago +6 / -0

It’s SO SO SO much worse than that. Andy Stone is a Democratic operative that has served in multiple democratic campaigns and has been part of multiple PACs to elect democrats. He even CLEARLY states it on his Twitter page.

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KristiNoemFaceFuck 5 points ago +5 / -0

Let them live in their bubble. They're going to be devastated in 3 weeks when they lose yet again.

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trumprulez456 5 points ago +5 / -0

Most news organizations have exclusive sources they use as part of their ongoing investigations. In many cases it takes several months or even years for a journalist to get a break in a story. This is very likely what happened at the NY Post.

How in the world is Facebook planning on "fact-checking" any of it? NY Post isn't going to release the names of their sources or the methods they used to break the story. Nor should they.

That's literally their fucking job as journalists. This is how you know Facebook is propaganda and are interfering with real Journalism.

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QueensOwn 5 points ago +5 / -0

Why did Joe Biden lie about being introduced to Burisma Executives? Did your family profit from this relationship?

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KAGwave 5 points ago +6 / -1

Andy Stone. EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

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RopeForCNN 6 points ago +6 / -0

stop noticing things

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KAGwave 3 points ago +4 / -1

Just a cohencidence.

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somedaysoon 5 points ago +5 / -0

It's not rigging, it's "fact-checking.". Do you even 1984 bro?

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QueensOwn 5 points ago +5 / -0

Facebook is corrupt. So now the NY Post is lying? Can you imagine a newspaper in this country actually doing some investigative journalism?

The real story here is why isn’t Biden being asked these questions? If there is nothing to this ask him? Why is everyone afraid to look for the truth!

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Slyhillary 3 points ago +6 / -3

No, they can't claim they're lying.

They just have to state why they don't believe the facts. I saw a response to Maggie Haberman on Twitter, "it's from the NY Post, so I don't believe it."

Nothing to do with facts. Just feelings.

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QueensOwn 5 points ago +5 / -0

I agree. And it’s total bs. Their is now physical evidence. Emails and photos. They need to show how this evidence is fabricated. It clearly indicates that Biden met with people from Burisma after he claimed he knows nothing of his son’s business dealings. What went on here?

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ArticleISection10 5 points ago +5 / -0

Anything that makes us lose chances of getting power is fake news

  • the left
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Dumdum 4 points ago +4 / -0

What are they going to fact check it against? The "correct" laptop?

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Sophocles 4 points ago +4 / -0

Of course they're rigging the election. They've said for four years that they'll do it, they did it in 2018, said they'll fucking do it again, and now they're doing it again.

Are you surprised? If so, you're an idiot.

Are you outraged? Why? These people aren't really human anymore. Their minds are broken. They don't feel pity or remorse or fear. They will absolutely not stop ever until you are dead.

If you want to be outraged, be outraged at the Republicans for not protecting you from these monsters. Be outraged at Trump for not finding his balls. Be outraged at the right for not arresting every single one of these fucks and throwing them in the deepest hole in the Earth.

It's long past the time that we stop dicking around with media and start taking back the country that is rightfully ours.

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HenkZeilstra 4 points ago +4 / -0

FBI, DOJ, CIA is a fucking joke

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IPMang 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Fact Checks are scheduled to complete their assessment by November 4th, 2020.

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SketchyDetails 3 points ago +3 / -0

FuckZuck 2020

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BeepBoopComrades 3 points ago +3 / -0

Stone.

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JoinTheDiscussion 3 points ago +3 / -0

Twitter site: Something went wrong... Just wow!

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Abarth 3 points ago +3 / -0

But we’re the fascists right?

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Greatest_adventure 2 points ago +2 / -0

Chinese censors work for FB, no?