posted ago by -f-b-i- [M] +3874 / -0

Good morning patriots

Hope everyone slept well after the president and Chris Wallace debated about the issues last night.

We've had some great threads and comments about what happened last night. Now that you've had time to digest it we'd like to give you the opportunity to seriously discuss any questions, issues, or anything that happened.

Top level comments should be only something that happened during the debate. Links to highlights, fact checks, questions, etc.

For those who missed it.

The debate

#Good morning patriots Hope everyone slept well after the president and Chris Wallace debated about the issues last night. We've had some great threads and comments about what happened last night. Now that you've had time to digest it we'd like to give you the opportunity to seriously discuss any questions, issues, or anything that happened. Top level comments should be only something that happened during the debate. Links to highlights, fact checks, questions, etc. For those who missed it. [The debate](https://youtu.be/ofkPfm3tFxo)
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Kdiddy 3 points ago +3 / -0

After talking to family and friends (thank the Lord I have God-fearing family and friends), I see your point. I’m seeing the strategy. Made folks like myself uncomfortable, but not everyone. The point was to make the left even more unstable... probably accomplished that.

BartoshJr 3 points ago +3 / -0

My thoughts about last night's debate are as follows:

  • Neither candidate really talked in great detail about actual policies. When such items were mentioned, Trump adopted more of a fact-based approach; by contrast, Biden mainly sought to attack the president's record, while providing no substantial arguments for what he himself would have done differently.

  • Trump's strongest performance of the night was definitely during the discussion about law and order. I particularly liked it when Trump cornered Biden by asking him to name one specific law enforcement organization that has endorsed Sleepy Joe; Biden, of course, was unable to provide an answer.

  • Prior to this debate, I viewed it as important for Trump to get Biden angry at some point, given Sleepy Joe's current mental state. Trump certainly didn't disappoint there, as Biden clearly lost his temper a few times.

  • Trump also might have been successful in deepening the perceived rift between establishment Democrats and the party's more pronounced radical supporters. He basically forced Biden to take a vague stance on some of the left's craziest proposals, such as the Green New Deal and defunding the police.

  • I thought that Trump was smart to mention Hunter's discharge from the military when Biden talked about his son Beau's accomplishments there.

  • Trump did drop the ball somewhat during the discussion about race. He had a good opportunity to point out what has been achieved for minorities under his administration, but he never seized it.

  • As expected, Chris Wallace was a terrible moderator. It honestly felt like a 2-on-1 situation in Biden's favor all night.

Overall, I doubt that this debate really moved the needle much for either candidate in terms of attracting undecided voters. Having said that, I personally give Trump the win.

Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0

he got joe biden to not support the green new deal simply by just attempting to ask if he supports it. At some other point in the debate joe described how hes going to bring us back into the Paris climate accord if he wins.

Joe literally barely understands what side he's on.

Shepherd231 7 points ago +7 / -0

As much as I liked him in 2016, he seemed way more pushy this time around. Personally, he should have let Biden talk more so that he can hang him with his words later. That would've been more satisfying to watch!

Quoc01 2 points ago +2 / -0

It was a catch 22. joe biden spewing lies after lies and if trump did not play tough, it would make trump appear weak. And when trump counters those lies, chris is there to block it, making trump the pushy guy. It was rigged from the start.

iPertinax 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agreed with this initially, but with even more hindsight, Wallace was always prepared to bail out Biden with a 'this segment is over' and a waving of his hands, so this idea still wouldn't have gotten the desired result.

PresidentPreston 16 points ago +16 / -0

Context: my wife and I watched it live on my iPad, but I pulled up the “raw feed” on YouTube (might have been the RSBN stream...a graphic overlay said “The First”...so not sure what feed it was)....but it was a wide two-shot the entire time. So we didn’t watch the split screen closeup version like the networks had.

First thing we noticed (made very clear by that wide two-shot) was that Biden rarely ever looked at Trump. He stared at Wallace, or looked into (what I assume was) his isolated camera. Made us think that was deliberate...like his team said, “Don’t look over at Trump; just stay focused on Wallace and talk directly to the American people.” Which, whatever...but to us, it looked like cowardly standoffish body language. Not presidential.

Overall, this debate was a shitshow. That’s the word people keep using because that’s exactly what it was. I suppose the real question is: did either candidate benefit from that shitshow?

I lost track of all the times Biden either lied (Hunter, stupid Bastards, etc), contradicted himself (green new deal), made eye-rollingly cringey zingers (I am the Democrat party, things are the way they are because you are who you are, etc), seemed to forget where he was in his answer (no, you’re on #2), made me laugh out loud on my couch (Antifa is an idea). That’s all in addition to him looking and sounding old and muddled, and occasionally seeming to forget the question completely (Wallace reminded him at least 3 different times what the topic was). His performance was abysmal, and anyone who tells you otherwise or tries to salvage something from it most likely just hates Trump.

Trump interrupted a lot. He was not “decent,” nor kind, nor respectful, nor patient. He badgered and bullied and sparred and fought all night long. Anyone who watched that debate and is prioritizing “decency, kindness, and respectfulness” when deciding who gets their vote will be absolutely appalled at Trump’s performance. I watch most of his rallies and press conferences, and even I found myself saying “Damn dude” from time to time. On the facts and issues, he was fine. But he just would not let up on the attacks and interruptions. I know WHY Trump did this (which we can talk more about if you want), but I’m pretty sure it came off as savage, childish bullying to most regular Americans.

And Wallace was a travesty. The absolute worst thing a debate can devolve into is a pissing match over procedure. Wallace kept trying to regain order by appealing to time limits and agreed-upon rules, interrupting to do so. He clearly bailed Biden out of multiple jams (particularly when Trump challenged Biden to name one law enforcement org who has endorsed him, Biden couldn’t, and Wallace jumped in to move the conversation along). And he was aggressively sparring with Trump during several segments (race, climate change, etc). He injected himself way too often.

The whole thing was awful.

Trump didn’t “win” any new voters. Best he can hope for is that 100 million Americans feel dirty and depressed having watched it, lament the state of our politics, and throw up their hands in resignation to the point where it squashes turnout and keeps moderates from voting at all. Low turnout helps Trump because he has more enthusiasm on his side.

Best Biden can hope for is that more independents were sooooo turned off by Trump’s behavior that they overlook his multiple lies and gaffes and leave only with the impression that “we can’t have 4 more years of this Trump boorishness.”

Best Wallace can hope for is that everyone forgets this ever happened.

Frankly, I think Trump’s “bullying, unpresidential” behavior will be the takeaway for any still-undecided voters. Trump needs to remember that voters don’t care as much about policy and “promises kept” as they should. Voters are emotional, fickle and easily swayed by “nice guy kindness,” especially women...and especially white Christian suburban women. If Trump thinks these voters care about “law and order and safe suburbs” more than they value “I can’t vote for a mean bully,” then he has woefully misunderstood what motivates suburban women most. Sad thing is, Biden was an arrogant, indecent asshole last night too. But voters are less likely to remember that. They’re more likely to remember Trump’s unrelenting attacks on Biden’s son. And that’s not good.

TLDR: no winners and everyone feels icky, but we’ll all forget about this by Monday.

dnile1000bc 3 points ago +3 / -0

No, I disagree. Politeness, decency and nice went out the window when antifa (endorsed by Democrats) rioted, destroyed property and killed innocent people.

Trump represents the anger and frustration against the media and the establishment after Kyle Rittenhouse, people being arrested for defending themselves, an innocent suicided because of false accusations and no one is doing anything about criminals being let out on the streets, except Trump.

arentbaby 1 point ago +1 / -0

while that's true, and I agree completely that the time for civility is long past, there's still a ton of ignorant Americans who think the political climate is no different than it was 5 years ago. Some people just have not or will not ever take a look at the playbook, and instead get way too enveloped into the little theatrics.

MythArcana 7 points ago +7 / -0

Great perspective, and it was quite evident that Trump lost his cool to a degree in which we have never seen. If he leaped over the podium and started curb-stomping Joe, it would have melded perfectly with the evening. Most of us here know why, the debate was another typical left hit job, Joe was cheating and lying with every word out of his mouth, and Wallace was on par with every other one of his performances.

The sad thing is, it would take Trump at least 10 minutes to list all of his accomplishments for 4 years, and trying to narrow that down into one-minute is impossible. I'm hoping he takes a different direction with the next debate, honestly. Most of us here enjoyed it like a boxing match, but the average American was switched off by it, I'm sure.

To contrast this, we will get to see Harris fly out of control with Pence, who is a really good debater and always calm. The wheels will fall off her cart in a hurry, and most Americans don't care too much for her anyway at this point.

Nancypelosisoldliver 4 points ago +5 / -1

I disagree with you both entirely. Respectfully speaking, I think our president knocked it out of the park. Biden and wallace we're quite literally calling trump an idiot on stage. I think trump set the bar high and even has some room to improve. Yes he went hard and appeared like a jerk. How about you judge both sides evenly rather than being hard on trump for no reason when he's literally fighting two on one, respectfully speaking

MythArcana 3 points ago +3 / -0

Oh, I agree that is how we would expect for him to react to these rascals with their lies, debunked talking points, fixed moderation and those two direct-to-camera moments they organized for Biden. We elected a fighter, and a fighter we got. I'm personally not disappointed, even though the evening was visceral like Thunderdome.

However, these debates are truly for swing voters, and for normies who are accustomed to biased fake news on TV. The 'krats will now revert back to Hillary's four-year old talking point of how Trump's temperament is detrimental to procuring international and national policy, which we know is false. It's really just a dog and pony show, and it's sad they allowed Biden to directly insult him with the 'stupid' and 'clown' jab with not one word out of Wallace's mouth.

Also, I respect your opinion and also agree with it, as well. It was rough for me as I was watching on the phone with earbuds, and after 90 minutes of three grown men yelling simultaneously, I think I lost hearing last night. 😨

powershellder 5 points ago +5 / -0

I saw someone post the theory that there was a hidden teleprompter in the camera and Biden had polarized contacts so only he could read it.

I don’t know if it’s true, but it’s a “fun” conspiracy theory that explains why he never looked away.

fkn_lost_my_password 4 points ago +4 / -0

Best he can hope for is that 100 million Americans feel dirty and depressed having watched it, lament the state of our politics, and throw up their hands in resignation to the point where it squashes turnout and keeps moderates from voting at all.

Hell, even I felt like I don't want to vote at all anymore for a moment. I will vote, because I know what's at stake if the Democrats win... but the fact that I, a massive Trump supporter, felt like that even for a moment is.. not good?

Colonel_Chestbridge 3 points ago +4 / -1

I can’t in good faith say that Trump “won the debate”. He just lost less than Biden.

He’s not going to convince any undecided voters except maybe a few people who really dive deep into the thousands of things Trump said. Though I don’t think that was the goal. But he’s also not going to be losing any votes over this, whereas Joe very well could lose a lot of the radical leftists.

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TrumpaSorosFlex 11 points ago +11 / -0

I liked the part where we got DDOS'd way too hard to share my high energy last night. Fuck big tech and big tech accessories

Jaybird91 3 points ago +3 / -0

Was that possibly just cause we were all trying to use the site at the same time?

-BasedCentipede- 1 point ago +1 / -0

For a DDoS protection company, Cloudflare is either shit at their job or intentionally letting malicious massive traffic through because they'd love to sabotage us. The message said browser and cloudflare was working, but TD.win server was down. Either way, I think mods/admins really need to have a plan to dynamically scale up resources during big events like this. And if there already are such measures in place, they need to be adjusted. I wasn't able to even reach the site until the end of the debate.

Jaybird91 1 point ago +1 / -0

Gotcha. Yeah I wasn’t either.

ElegantVelociraptor 1 point ago +1 / -0

It was impossible for me to comment at all last night as the site was just not operational. I really hope that it gets sorted.

Flipbarryfromreddit 4 points ago +4 / -0

Biden had all the answers flooded to him and an IV in his blood.... he had a wire, an earpiece AND contact lenses which display words!!!!!!!!

K-Harbour 5 points ago +5 / -0

The debate commission needs to be disbanded.

slowturtlebot 14 points ago +14 / -0

honestly the biggest moment was about Joe Biden and the radical left wanting to keep the economy closed and locking people in their homes.

Trump wants to open the economy and respects people enough to know they will be safe.

Nancypelosisoldliver 1 point ago +1 / -0

frankly its amazing he was even able to get a lot of this across while he was debating Chris wallace the moderator who couldn't stop talking to Joe biden about how stupid trump is while he's moderating

slowturtlebot 3 points ago +3 / -0

yeah Chris Wallace never asked Biden a single tough question or challenged him on anything. typical bullshit that I guess I’m used to seeing.

even today on the radio NPR said Trump attacked Biden’s family without any context.

these people are full of shit and if others don’t realize it they are retarded.

bellcurvestrikesback 5 points ago +9 / -4

Scott adams is really upset DJT dropped the ball by not calling out the charlottesville hoax and then explicitly condemning WS, he needed to say more that just "sure." Also, saying "stand back stand by" instead of "stand back and stand down" was a huge verbal flub that gave the left a palletful of ammunition they are using with gusto today.

Trump's strongest points were pushing the 3.5mil, GND refusal, law and order/antifa, and calling out Biden over Logan acting Flynn.

Overall a win for Biden bc the expectations were so low for him and so high for Trump. Wallace protected Biden from any killshot being landed

Captain-D 7 points ago +7 / -0

I think the best thing he should have done there was say something like “Hey Joe, that old, tired lie has been disproven a thousand times. Look it up. Who’s writing these talking points for you? They’re very outdated and weak and it’s making you look really bad”

Flipbarryfromreddit 3 points ago +3 / -0

I wish he called out the fine ppl lie and said how joe Lied about being top of his class as well!!!!!!

Colonel_Chestbridge 3 points ago +3 / -0

how joe Lied about being top of his class as well!!!!!!

He did mention it

Private_D_Jackson 8 points ago +8 / -0

Biden's Talking points; COVID, Orange Man Bad, won't call out Antifa for what they are...$750,

Phil_Selway 4 points ago +4 / -0

$750 was Wallace's talking point

Don't forget GEOTUS was debating both of them

fkn_lost_my_password 4 points ago +4 / -0

Loch Ness monster of the swamp need about seven fiddy.

zacriholder 15 points ago +15 / -0

"The 20, the 200 million, the 200 thousands that have died under his watch, how many of those have survived?" -Former VP Joe Biden

fkn_lost_my_password 12 points ago +12 / -0

Wow, that changes everything I'm voting Biden now.

Does anybody want to fuck my wife?

Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0


Kyle1164 14 points ago +14 / -0

It was a shit show but still voting Trump!

spiritfortrump 3 points ago +3 / -0


FireannDireach 20 points ago +20 / -0

Good write ups in this thread. Just a couple of thoughts to throw in:

Biden is completely in a bubble, you can tell how isolated he is, by his feeble insults. He was playing his old debate tricks with dramatic huffing and puffing while Trump spoke, constantly interrupting him, etc, but when the rubber hit the road, every time, it was stale old meme insults. Injecting bleach, really Joe? Really?

Joe's content - the words he babbles, is all canned, stock answers, most of which are outdated, beyond debunked, and lame. When it was the environment, he fell right back into "muh burning rainforests", which has been thoroughly debunked, the rainforests are not the lungs of the planet, the ocean is.

You can tear everything Joe said apart like that. Everything he muttered and stuttered is a lie, distortion, or simply not true. He's responding with what he was told to say, or what he's been hearing from his campaign, or remembered factoids from Powerpoints from the 90's. He doesn't really know who Trump is. He's never actually conversed with Trump. He'd never sit down and talk, like Trump did with Newsome. He has no measure of who the man Donald Trump is, and was just a tired, burned out old man shaking his cane at someone, and spitting in rage when Trump hit his hot buttons.

MythArcana 3 points ago +3 / -0

Trump really needed to mention the 16 Antifa/BLM arsonists setting the West Coast on fire from San Diego to Seattle. Nobody here believes it was Pacific Gas & Electric's fault, and the brush has been ignored for way too many decades now.

Joe's feeble attempt at climate change about the tornado was ignorant and lame. We have tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, hail and fires every single year, depending on your choice of location. There is zero statistical proof of climate change, and even NOAA has been caught cooking the numbers numerous times.

Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0

I thought mentioning Forrest management was a really strong point many would overlook and come back later to like.

Like bruh, chop back all the brush away from the multimillion dollar houses every once in a while. At least so if it sets fire its going to burn up and not burn neighborhoods to the ground, and maybe it will be easier to fight. Something man, idk, they need to manage that shit more than they are now because Gavin Newsome a retard and would like to speed up the fires because it can use it to talk about climate change more

Captain-D 2 points ago +2 / -0

See this is how I feel and what I think they should capitalize on. I’d go so far as to say that DJT should SAY this out loud — you’re old, living in 2012, with outdated, irrelevant talking points and it shows. You have no knowledge or handle on current affairs, nothing new to offer. You’re just a vehicle for the radical left and you’re being used.

Magabeliever 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'll tell you something about Joe's weird body language. When he was pulling out a lot of his numbers, he looked straight ahead without blinking. Most people will look down or left/right, pulling that number from memory of when/where they last read such a report, but those times of rattling out "200 thousand" or "20 billion" or "1 out of 5" et al, he looked straight ahead without blinking.

JustInTime2_ 9 points ago +9 / -0

DRGEOTUS had a good strategy of not seeming to aggressive with a man who many view as senile and old.

unicornpoop 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah, he took it easy on him so as not to come off cruel. He’s still trying to capture the moderates.

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Private_D_Jackson 1 point ago +1 / -0

It has been said that Wallace's rectum was dilated at a constant 15CM, as he knew he'd have to bail out Slow Joe for the entire debate....he is indeed a faggot.

monsoonlagoon 5 points ago +5 / -0

That’s all the Democratic Party is. Theatrics and geriatrics

Beat_to_Quarters 27 points ago +27 / -0

Did Trump discourage some far left supporters from voting for Biden? Maybe. Having him own positions and contrasting that with progressive policies is legit strategy. Did this perfomance convince undecideds and fence sitters to vote for Trump? No. They probably tuned out over all the theatrics and interruptions to care. The debate was basically no more productive than strangers fighting on the internet. He needs to be more composed next two times.

Nancypelosisoldliver 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think he should adjust based on how aggressive Joe and the moderator are debating him next time.

Iml trump wasn't even throwing any serious punches until Joe started calling him dumb while trying to avoid answering questions by saying it to the moderator

Beat_to_Quarters 1 point ago +1 / -0

Biden did not do exceptionally good by any means but Trump needs to do better next time by being more refined, which I think he will be. He unintentionally is bailing Biden out by talking over his answer. Biden talked in circles all night when he got to speak. "The GND will create millions of jobs. The GND will pay for itself. No I don't support the GND." "I AM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. No I didn't call anyone because I'm just a private citizen. What can I do?"

Just nonsense.

wartooth6 13 points ago +13 / -0

They had Trump playing defense too many times on irrelevant topics. Plenty of goal post shifting as well that they made him catch up to. Trump needs to flip this on them. He did well despite being 1 vs 2. When he was in his element he sure did shine though. He needs to continue to fluster Hiden, that was effective. Not a bad first round, now he just needs to tighten up his shot group and go for the kill.

Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0

I like how they tried to get him to disavow proud boys as white supremacists or whatever and he didn't, and then flipped it back on antifa being the real problem.

Being two against one. He sure was throwing real punches. He won

540k-Again 14 points ago +17 / -3 (edited)

Simply put, out of all Presidential Debates; this one is in a group all by itself (even moreso than the first round of DJT vs Side-O-Beef) for many reasons:

Strategically: GEOTUS seems to have gone in this first debate with 3 goals, and accomplished them.

1 First, was his usual "good generalling" of making light contact with the enemy, by sending forward scouts and skirmishers to find where the battlelines are, the terrain is, any allies/enemy's allies, where the weakspots are, what hills the enemy is choosing to die on, etc. DJT has done this in the past, and is good way of doing things. Unlike 2016, because of Covid and his opponent basement hiding; this was the first real good first-hand assesment that GEOTUS could make/get. (As even in 2016 there were other events like the Red Dinner or the 9/11 memorial service where DJT and Shillary were nearby each other, as well as more time in the past, at events together incl weddings, etc.)

2 Secondly, Remove the perception gap between "crass/rude vs "Presidential"" i.e. The narrative (and real amongst a small slice of voters) how DJT's personality vs Hiden's. This "debate" showed that there is no "Presidential" aire to Hidden, he's rude and crass... seriously, his calling the sitting POTUS a clown TWICE in the election season's first national/internationally televised debate, among many other things. This removes the gap between those "Republicans" whom say they like Trump except for his "personality", and those "Democrats" whom say they want someone "Presidential" in office. These reasonings were removed from the table last night... and this is very important for moving a few % each from the Bidden turnout column into the Trump turnout column.

3 Thirdly, to get Mr. 47 year Swamp Creature, to admit/reveal to Hiden's "allies" (ie the factions within the Democratic Party) that Hiden is policy lyin' about what he's promised them for their support. So as rough as it was, on many key policy areas, DJT got Hiden to admit that Hiden is lyin' to various major Dem factions and that Hiden/Hairis isn't even honest about what they stand for or what they'll do if in office/power. This is a major accomplishment, as it's not very easy to do; essentially DJT just made Hiden pull back the curtain and show how fractured and dis-unified the DEM party is. Even better still, is some of those fractured elements, like true environmentalists whom want clean air/water, were shown that it's DJT and the Republicans whom are delivering on these issues; similar to DJT's GREAT speech last week in Atlanta.

Tactically: This is more difficult, since this would be like saying, "How are things going for the Union on the First Day of the Battle of Gettysburg?" DJT has chosen a path that is rather unconventional to say the least, but gets the end results he's after. Many things went well, including DJT removing the namecalling at least this round, as it would have gotten in the way of his other objectives. I'll not spell out much here because, no reason to help the Dem campaign.

This being said, there are ways things can be run more smoothly, similar to how GEOTUS says his response to Covid is an A+ but the WH Covid messaging is a D-. Honestly, most of these rough-debate things, like the WH Press Corps, or Covid 19 messaging doesn't have to be this way. They are very fixable, just takes the will to and the right person helping GEOTUS be the best he can be.

Issues with the moderator were going to be a given. (But what last few specks of respect I had for CW, no longer exist.) Issues with "Facts" were going to be a given. Issues with Biden's pre-canned/written and memorized answers were a given.

Other Pede's have pointed out a great many things as well; but overall this needs to be said for a few weeks now, and came home to roost last night.

A major problem that is fairly easily remedied, is these last weeks of rallies; the telepromter message aka "the messaging", has been falling behind where GEOTUS is in his head and the events; i.e. It needs more regular updating between events.

This is partly a timing issue, a staffing issue, and having a person to do it. Basically, if you listen to a rally, and see where GEOTUS brings something up off-script say 20 mins into his 90 min rally, but then that same sentence/topic is written into the telepropmter outline, so he repeats himself say at 70 mins. This causes the same errors that happened last night in the debate. Ex. in football there is offense and defense, and other "plays" like special teams, and special plays like trick plays and 2 min drills. During the game every play isn't going to be part of a 2min drill; but when the clock has 2mins left in the half, or when the need arises, the 2 min drill can be done and it's been practiced and rehearsed.

The slow "refreshing/updating/re-write/edit" of the "message" on the rally teleprompter, has to keep up with the fast 20hr/day Speed of Trump, otherwise it is like turning a 2 min drill into a 12 min drive downfield to score... and that's not what's needed when there is only 2 mins on the clock! Trump thinks fast, and needs a coach that thinks as fast as he does to condense and update his 2min drills and trick plays.

Also can rapidly fix the WH Press Corps. DJT can still spar with them if it's called for, but overall there's no reason to let the USA and world have to have a D- in Covid messaging from the WH, when it could be an A+, along with everything else.


PS BTW In hindsight, historians will mark this debate salient for many reasons; but it will be given prescience; because&since the radical lefties/Marxists/Democrats continue to once again drive the USA into kinetic division. I've watched a ton of POTUS debates, and this was the worst to have to force myself to watch and that's even with loving GEOTUS; but the precipice our Republic is at, it was what was the mudwrestling match that needed to be done.

Thank you President DJT, and let's iron out the wrinkles for the next debates; time is of the essence.

Fabius 16 points ago +16 / -0

Joe Biden and the Democrat Party and their propaganda media arm have spent the last 4 years attacking Trump's character, family, integrity, and honor. Only rarely has it been about policy or governance.

They spied on his campaign, manufactured the Russian hoax, tried to impeach him under knowingly false pretenses, and twisted every word he's said, every action he's made while banning, silencing, censoring and canceling anyone who pushes back against their lies about our president.

They give their tacit approval to their paramilitary wing to burn and loot our cities, and to beat and murder their political opposition when they find them. Their radical ideology of Critical Race Theory seeks to destroy our families, our communities, our culture and our nation, and replace it with a racist order of degeneracy and destruction.

And when if finally comes time to face the man they've disparaged and lied about for years, to finally stand face to face and confront the man they say is responsible for all their problems, Joe the Coward Biden acts like he's shocked to be criticized for his words and actions over the last 50 years. He is so used to being coddled by everyone around him, that anyone standing up to his bullshit he considers an affront to decency.

In this way, he is absolutely right about being the Democrat party. He is sheltered, clueless, and weak. Last night Joe Biden went to war and was totally unprepared.

He thought it was 1994, and paid the price for his stupidity when he found the man they've been ruthlessly attacking for three and half years was no coward, but ready and willing to fight back against their tirade of lies and assassination.

A bully always cries when you finally hit them back and bust their mouths open. They are shocked and say things like "Come on man!" as you destroy them. They plead and cry and beg for you to stop. "Come on man! Come on!"

Joe crumbled under Trump's assault like the cowardly bully he is. Get fucked, Joe Biden. You're a spinless coward.

friedchicken 3 points ago +3 / -0

Extremely well said. Amen.

CaptainWilliam 17 points ago +17 / -0 (edited)

Not going to lie I actually thought Chris Wallace was being fair with his questions untill a few other Pedes pointed out the liberal bias which I'm thankful for.

I thought the climate change question was dumb though and obviously brush fires are not occuring due to climate change. In a time where people are out of work and riots and corruption is all over the place, the last thing America needs is to worry about what might happen a thousand years from now. Brush fires are an otherwise natural part of the forest cycle. I saw one lib saying "that's what decomposition as for", when Trump mentioned cleaning the forests of dead trees and flora.

Not every biome has the nessisary humidity or fauna available for the rapid decomposition they are talking about. It's quite natural in that case for a forest to erupt into flames and has nothing to do with increased carbon emissions, completely stupid. Further more how many people have been caught setting fires?

All that being said, what is the point of a debate if you can't give rebuttals? You see Trump constantly breaking into Joe's time because Joe is obviously lying on several subjects and Trump needs time to rebut those statements.

I think next time Trump needs to really hammer his accomplishments as president, he did good this far with manufacturing but there is so much more he can highlight. And he should articulate the bad things Biden has done during his time in govt.

Trump also killed Biden on the rally remark and law enforcement remark. I want Trump to keep swinging but also be more articulate so the normies can digest the information better.

Ladybug87 2 points ago +2 / -0

I thought the lack of rebuttal time made it a really bad debate format. How can you not allow at least 30 seconds for the other side to give an answer to your accusation?

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Trump4evr 6 points ago +6 / -0

He has multiple times. He definitely could have repeated what he already said. They are jamming the race card so hard though.

fkn_lost_my_password 3 points ago +4 / -1

But the media doesn't report about when he did it, so he should have said it again last night clearly while everyone was watching. And then point out that he already has on multiple occasions and that it's a stupid fucking talking point to begin with.

Canuck4Trump2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Agree luv PDJT but get this down....." Read the transcript about Charlottesville... I condemned white supremacists THEN and I condemn them NOW !"

TOPDAWG22 11 points ago +17 / -6

I don't think anyone won but truth be told Joe come out looking better.All he had to do was not flip the hell out and not piss or shit himself and he did that. trump was way to damn aggressive.

On the taxes question he should have just said no that is false to the did you only pay this in taxes. He want into a rant about how his business are doing well people at home have no idea WTF he was talking about. Just say no and move on.

On the whole do you condemn this group he should have just said I condemn all hate groups and leave it at that not ask who you want me to condom as he set himself up there.

On the whole vote thing he should have said long as it's proven no cheating was going on and was looked into he would be fine.

This was s shitty debate with loaded question aimed at trump. they give old Joe a free ride and he still sucked.

DeltaTango 5 points ago +5 / -0

but truth be told Joe come out looking better.

If your standards were that Joe was literally in a coma, fair enough. And to give credit, Trump's helped lower that bar for Biden. However, I'm not seeing any Democrats in my FB feed praising Biden's performance, and pointing out any "aha Biden really got Trump there!" moments.

Whereas Trump got in a few good zingers, and a few things Biden had no response for, like the Hunter/Ukraine scandal. I'm actually surprised Biden hadn't prepared for that one, considering Trump's been talking about it for nearly a year.

Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0

thats a good last point you bring up.

TOPDAWG22 3 points ago +3 / -0

well that is the issue the TV debates are for people who are not very uninformed. trump was throwing ot a lot of facts fast so he can get the message out but most watching on TV have no idea WTF he was talking about.

Trump was going a mile a min to get info out the media will not get out. it made him come as rude and not wanting to let anyone talk. The questions were also shit and they tried to help Biden and he still did not do worth a shit.

DeltaTango 2 points ago +2 / -0

well that is the issue the TV debates are for people who are not very uninformed.

I wonder about that. I suspect most people watching were political junkies who already know the issues. However, I hope you're right.

If most people watching were uninformed, then they probably haven't heard the rumors about Biden's diminished capacity. They would have been expecting the Biden from his carefully edited campaign videos. But all they would have seen is an energetic aggressive Trump vs a tired old man who can barely talk.

TOPDAWG22 1 point ago +1 / -0

sorry I mean not very informed. they don't know who hunter even is or what Biden did and have no idea what voter fraud is going on right now.

MAGAholic 35 points ago +39 / -4 (edited)

Biden over performed. Maybe it was extra drugs, maybe it was months of practice, maybe it was the bar being so low, but the reality is he did better than we all thought he would-- he finished his sentences like a big boy and didnt fuck up too much.

That being said, all biden did was lie or give bullshit non answers.. but Wallace AND trump let him go.

  • No answer at all on packing the courts. Trump pushed this but Wallace ended it immediately. Wallace was seen later going back and forth with trump, so this is bullshit

  • Biden repeated leftist revisionist history that trump "knew coronavirus was bad and didnt do anything". Trump mentioned it once that he closed the border and was called racist for it. But biden went back to saying he didnt do anything two or three times-- and trump didnt say anything. This was a huge loss. Trump should have hammered the point that he was the first person in the world to take action, and he was chastised by the WHO, CDC, the left etc for it. Trump failed to drive this home. Wallace did not tell joe biden, hey, not for nothing, but trump closed the border and you were against it (yet Wallace did this shit to Trump during the economy and mail in ballots)

  • For how aggressive Trump was, having no comment whatsoever at being called a liar and a clown... that was weird.

-Wallace asking trump if he denounces white supremacist groups WHILE THE COUNTRY HAS BEEN UNDER ATTACK FROM LEFTIST GROUPS FOR MONTHS. Was fucking horseshit. Wallace did not ask biden if he denonces far left groups, he let "antifa is an idea" slide, and Wallace didnt bring up the fact that biden IGNORED the violence happening and didnt say a word until his poll numbers dropped.

  • both trump and Wallace let the "fine people" lie, one of the biggest lies ever, slide.

-Trump had all the ammo on the world on mail in ballots and he didnt take the shots. His general point that its a disaster is right-- but the people need to know why. He didnt bring up that voter rolls are never updated, thus are a mess with people who moved, who have died, etc, so it makes no sense to do this a few months before the election. He didnt give specific examples (other than the recent PA one), instead choosing to say "look whats happening in this state, that state". The issue here is Trump thinks hes speaking to his people, to TD. Hes not. This isnt a rally of his. A lot of people watching are clueless. Most people dont know that NJ has to re do their election due to mail in fraud where 3 Democrats got arrested and charged. They dont know thousands of ballots were found laying around uncounted in Mass, which lead the town clerk to resigning. They dont know Dallas has an investigation into voter fraud after more issues that ever. That liberal CBS experimented in the failure rate of mail in ballots and they acknowledged it was high. That in PA duplicate ballots were sent out to voters. That dead cats are getting ballots. That ballots for x state showed up in y state (forgot which one)

This is a very serious issue, one that decides the election and decides whether we lose america. Trump needed to hit a home run here and fire off these examples. Sadly, he didnt. This "without proof trump claims its not safe" is BULLSHIT. Joe biden saying its safe trumps trying to make sure your vote doesnt count is BULLSHIT. Wallace not saying that a lot of problems have came from mail in ballots and there certainly are issues is BULLSHIT.

Biden over performed. Trump underperformed. Wallace was an arm of the left. Trump won the debate if you knew the issues. But if you didnt know the issues, you were undecided, and believed all of joe bidens lies because Wallace didnt call him out and trump didnt defend himself harder... biden might be who you thought won. Ill get downvotes for this but I want to emphasize how much trump underperformed. He needs to do a lot better next time.

Edit- 33 upvotes, 3 downvotes.. and this got me banned

Magabeliever 1 point ago +1 / -0

for your point about the "liar, clown" under breaths, I think we heard it because of the audio setup. Joe's voice was pretty low energy in his denials and insults. I don't know if President Trump heard it because he was the one speaking, and Joe was just muttering under his breath/into his side's microphone.

WPg8r 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think you summed it up best. And unlike the left, we should acknowledge when we can do better and do better next time.

Canuck4Trump2020 5 points ago +5 / -0

luv the President but you naked it !! Too many missed opportunities but when Hiden' Biden said I'm the DemocRAT party!!!Everyone saw that as a total lie !!

JeremiahKassin 7 points ago +9 / -2


Trump did underperform, and Biden did far better than anyone expected, but Trump still won, hands down, even for people who didn't know the issues.

Calling Trump names did nothing to increase Biden's stock. It only made him look petty, which is probably why Trump didn't address it. At first thought, he absolutely should have, but his only opening was an appeal to decorum, and Wallace would've torn him to pieces if he'd brought up decorum, so the best move may have been not to play.

Trump didn't hit as hard as he could have, but that doesn't mean his punches didn't land. His strategy was to push Biden to the center, where he's been doing poorly. Biden's only hope of winning is to cheat. That requires the left to not only be compliant, but to be complicit. If Trump pushes Biden far enough to the center, the left will be demoralized, and enough may walk away from him as a candidate--not the leaders, but the boots on the ground--to make cheating a lot less viable.

Trump still scored hits--getting Biden to flip flop on the Green New Deal, driving home that he's opposed to law and order, and emphasizing that Biden would shut the country down again. Those won't play well with the center, but those were just icing on the cake. He stated his real goal with these debates when he said, "You just lost the left."

Without the left out in full force, Biden doesn't have a prayer.

PelosisDD 3 points ago +3 / -0

I agree, alienation was probably the entire goal of the debate and on that he hit on the money. I think he’s pretty confident in his base given the primary numbers, so he didn’t do much to appeal to the base and did a lot of personal attacks on Biden in order to make him look weaker. I think it was a strategic move, we’ll see what happens come the next two debates but I believe this went well enough.

Hillary4Prison2020 7 points ago +8 / -1

Totally agree. People here who adamantly shout that Trump definitely dominated as expected are being disingenuous. We have to be able to admit as a base when Trump falls short. Otherwise it’s the same as the Left, where no matter what happens our guy won. More importantly, we miss opportunities for improvement to win over swing voters.

That being said, I came into this debate expecting more or less what we got. Wallace shilling with biased questions was an inevitability, and Biden’s been “lidding” for a few days to prep for this. Trump may have slightly disappointed last night, but I have no doubt he understands timing and is well prepared in the coming month with more releases and attacks. We can’t expect him to blow his load debate 1 and give time for the opposition to regroup and rebound.

By November 3 people are thinking about the third debate, not the first one. I’m totally okay with the results of last night even admitting that to an unbiased and uninformed observer Biden likely came out on top. No biggie, and GEOTUS is almost certainly thinking the same way. In a sense, he has set the bar low for himself and can portray an even more confident and convincing set of arguments and facts in the coming weeks.

The calls for deportation in response to anyone with legitimate criticisms is fucking annoying and actively detrimental to the movement’s chance at swaying voters. Looking forward to those responses on this post.

JackAttack1776 1 point ago +4 / -3

100% agree and our base can be a bit toxic to normies sometimes when we need them not to. I understand this site is a never ending Trump Rally but it’s also the only place we can discuss MAGA events. It can get a little too rararah! At times and push good criticism down. I also think Trump very specifically did not talk about trade deals, peace deals, and a few other big cards to hold them in reserve for the last debate.

Captain-D 7 points ago +8 / -1

The White House West Wing Reads email just came out and the lead story is “A Healthcare Plan for all Americans.” Where was this last night? He needs to be sure to have his elevator speech on this dialed in for the next debate.

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Wefoundyouremails 2 points ago +2 / -0

Peace deals are being saved for the 3rd debate- that's the foreign policy debate.

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ClownTamer 3 points ago +3 / -0

In general Trump would do well to direct people to actually read things more. That’s how I originally came to vote Trump. Any time you look into almost any criticism about something he’s said or done that sounds outlandish or crazy, you find they’re lying about him.

“All the top 50 democratic run cities have the highest rates of crime.”

“HAHA, FALSE! It’s 49!!! GOT YOU, DRUMPF!!!”

Any adult that reads that is terrified and no longer trusts the media.

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Kalom69 25 points ago +25 / -0

Joe's body language and submissive behavior alone lost him the debate. Even my girlfriend, who hates politics and refuses to vote or listen to me talk about it, ended up putting her phone down to watch this debate. She was literally "rofl'ing" when Chris asked Joe something about the econony and after a minute and a half into his answer, Chris says "That's not what I asked sir", and Joes says "OH" with a confused look on his face 😁👍🏻

MakeAmericaLegendary 3 points ago +3 / -0

See if you can convince her before November.

Kalom69 1 point ago +1 / -0

We have had so many conversations about it. She keeps saying "her vote doesn't matter", which I tell her isn't true. Doesn't matter

MakeAmericaLegendary 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just keep at it; there's still time. Good luck, and thank you!

kmillz 21 points ago +21 / -0

There are some things I'd really like to see Trump hammer in debate 2. He said that Biden called black people "super predators"...but that was actually Hillary Clinton not Biden. But that's ok, Biden has said even worse things.

  • "You ain't black"

  • "Poor kids are just as smart as white kids"

  • "Unlike the African American community, the Latino community is incredibly diverse..."

  • "You can't go in a 7/11 or Dunkin donuts without having a slight Indian accent"

" (on Obama) "You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"

  • Hit him on hard on the crime bill which devastated the black community.

  • Ask him why wouldn't he agree to a drug test?

  • Ask him why wouldn't he wouldn't agree to have his ears checked for listening devices?

  • Don't let him get away with not explaining the massive payments to Hunter Biden. He just keeps saying that's not true, that's just denying it isn't actually answering a question. Hammer this point hard.

  • Ask him why he lied in the 1st debate about telling Ukraine they aren't getting the billion dollars if they don't fire the prosecutor investigating his son. It's on tape and Biden denied he said it.

  • Ask him why he won't answer whether or not he will pack the courts if elected or say whether he'll end the filibuster. Also ask him why he said the people don't deserve to know WHO his nominee is? Grill him hard on this.

  • Ask him why he changed his tune on the Green New Deal MID-DEBATE in debate 1, first defending it and saying that it will pay for itself, but then saying it's not even his plan. If it's not his plan, and it's not Trump's plan, how will it pay for itself?

  • The story about Trump calling dead soldiers "suckers and losers" was obviously gossip and there's no evidence of Trump saying it. There IS video of Biden calling the military "stupid bastards" to their faces! Ask him why he called them stupid bastards.

AmericanGirl 14 points ago +14 / -0

In the context of everything President Trump has done for the black community, I would have liked him to mention more about criminal.justice reform, funding for black colleges, opportunity zones, etc. He's done so much that left leaning dems could have been influenced.

pmurTJdlanoD 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah he absolutely flubbed that response. Hopefully that baits Biden into debate 2 and 3 closer to election and Trump fuckin nails it

APlaceInTheSun 19 points ago +20 / -1

The goal for the first debate was to split Biden’s shaky coalition with the radical left. Mission Accomplished.

DeltaTango 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah, Bongino had a good take. He says this is a "base election". Shapiro's made a similar observation. Everyone's mind is made up about both Trump and Biden, so it's a contest to see who can get out their supporters.

I doubt there's even a single Trump supporter out there who saw Trump's debate performance last night and thought, "That's it! I'm voting Biden now!" I predict Trump might have even picked up the small handful of undecided voters last night.

However, I can imagine a few soft Biden supporters, who hate Trump but aren't in love with Biden, hearing him say he doesn't support the Green New Deal and won't defund police, and thinking, "Meh, I guess I'll stay home. What's the point?"

More importantly, most people voting for Trump are doing it because they like Trump, whereas the reverse is opposite for Biden. They're voting Biden out of hatred for Trump, not some love for Biden. Hate can be a powerful motivator, but it's also an exhausting one. No one wants to get up every day hating something. It burns them out. But if you like something, you can sustain your support.

Granted, Biden has virtually the entire corporate media running interference for him, and that helps tremendously, but it's going to be a tough election.

Cyer6 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is what Bongino picked up on. We're all focusing on what Trump said, how he said it and what he could've or should've said. But lefties heard things from Joe that didn't go along with their real agenda. They wanted to hear things that was asked in the dem primary debates like giving illegals free medical. Forgiving student loans, abortion, and free unfettered immigration. Joe didn't go there.

PremiumPatriotPepe 4 points ago +4 / -0

Good point.

Strike_Eagle784 23 points ago +23 / -0 (edited)

Big take-away, and perhaps goes without saying, but Trump won. Not as confidently as I would've liked, but he won. I think Trump did a much better job laying down his vision, and the road-map to accomplish that vision, while also doing a great job of showing the accomplishments of his current term. This is how you win elections.

That being said, he needs to dial down the aggressiveness just a bit. No, he didn't "nuke himself", because he was a little too aggressive, however, it could hurt his standing among potential voters. Remember folks, he has our support, but he may not have every independent voter's support. The reason why the aggressiveness is important is, because Biden needs the time to hang himself, after all, Biden is gaffe prone.

*Keep in mind that Biden is not nearly as hated as Clinton.

It should also be pointed out that while Biden did slightly better then I expected, but he still gaffed, a lot. I don't know if the gaffes were as severe as I would've liked, but they were obvious enough that the independent viewer will see it. Biden also appeared to lack vision, and a solid plan. Upon discussing the debates with people in my life, I could hardly recall exactly what Biden's platform is. This is really bad for the Biden camp, as after all, he's supposed to be selling his campaign to the American electorate.

*Though his debating was poor, any sense of verbal coherence is still a victory for Biden, since the expectations of his cognitive ability are so low.

I'm also risking a down-vote, but I'll put this out there anyways. I'm pleasantly surprised that Biden got hard-balled from Chris Wallace. Yes, Wallace was harking on the President too much, but he asked good questions to Biden. I can't fault him for that, regardless of how I feel about how he treated POTUS.

Final note, if anyone here is concerned about Trump's performance last night, don't be, as an incumbent typically has issues with the first debate (i.e. Obama v.s. Romney 2012). The path for GEOTUS's victory is dialing back a little, while causing the divide to expand between the far-left, and the neo-liberals (referring to Biden's comments on law enforcement, I'm sure the far-left didn't like that).

I suspect that Trump will win the next two debates, and I also suspect that Biden may have used up all of his energy he had in this debate.

My thoughts on high-points, and low-points for each candidate:

Trump's High-Point: China Virus lockdowns, and the human impact they have.

Trump's Low-Point: Over Aggressiveness

Biden's High-Point: Encouraging calm to his supporters on election night (I really had to pull at straws to find a high-point for him haha).

Biden's Low-Point: Dodging Chris Wallace's question regarding if he called the mayor of Portland, and the Governor of Oregon in response to far left violence in Oregon.


Trump won, but needs to change his approach for the next two debates. Biden came out better then I expected, but still was prone to gaffes. Was pleasantly surprised that Chris Wallace threw some good questions towards Biden's way, though I'm not happy about the way he talked to the President.

*If you need more evidence that Trump won, look at r/politics on commie-edit. They're not happy at all with how Biden did.

Captain-D 4 points ago +4 / -0

Great summary, I posted my thoughts in another thread not realizing this one existed, which is too bad. I’m of the opinion that Trumps camp probably monitors this space and will use the feedback to fine-tune his next debate preparation.

I essentially said that he has so many salient points and facts at his disposal that demonstrably position him in a league of his own compared to tired, trite Biden, but fell short due to being on the offense. I think people are on the brink mentally at this point and would appreciate seeing a strong, tempered leader in Trump. He’s got a golden opportunity with the riots and race mess, and he’s at his best when he’s fierce but focused. No need to fist fight Biden, just need to really dial-in his talking points on key issues.

Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you! No worries about repeating points on other threads, it makes me happy that fellow pedes seem to be on the same page. I'd like to see Trump's prep team gather some of our thoughts on here, because we all want to see him at his best.

Okillmakeanaccount 4 points ago +4 / -0

I agree with this. Great summary.

The thing I hear people screeching about the most is how Trump didn’t denounce the white supremacists.

Can-Maga 2 points ago +2 / -0

Are the proud boys even white supremacists? I haven't been able to find anything suggesting so

XCorneliusX 1 point ago +1 / -0

To the left, it is not acceptable for a white person to be proud to be white. It is not racist to be proud. It does not exclude anyone nor does it elevate anyone.

The left/media conflate pride with supreme. There is a bold difference.

Strike_Eagle784 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you! And yeah, I keep seeing that as well. I think that Trump's points were so strong, that they have to pull at straws to find something to attack him on.

I think a lot of folks on the left missed when Trump said "sure" to Chris Wallace when he asked him if he'll ask "White Supremacists" (big air quotes there) to stand down, probably, because it was in the middle of Wallace asking the question.

WildFunkyFresh 5 points ago +5 / -0

I was pissed at Wallace for trying to get Trump to say that Kenosha was the work of white supremacists. The kenosha kid did nothing wrong.

Strike_Eagle784 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lol it makes me think that the fake news doesn't know what a white supremacist is.

1badcop 2 points ago +2 / -0

They think a white supremacist is anyone who disagrees with them...about pretty much anything. Includes people of color who disagree with them.

Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lol, basically anyone to the right of Stalin.

ZEEOHHSIX 9 points ago +9 / -0

I wish someone would have pricked Joe on the way out and got that blood sample. They gave him a hell of a cocktail.

mateus 12 points ago +12 / -0

I don't agree about Biden "boxing Trump out of the discussion" by looking straight into the camera, and that this "worked" for him.

That was just one of his practiced MOs. He seldom makes eye contact with Trump (that's how one debates). It's hard to do two things at once when you're cognition is failing. Looking straight ahead at intervals is what his handlers have told him to do. Otherwise, he looks down.

Don't get distracted by looking at Trump, shake your head as he speaks, and hit the practiced talking points, even if they have nothing to do with the question: 200,000 Covid deaths (lie, and long ago debunked. Where's the snooze emoji?), Trump didn't disavow white supremacists (lie), Trump called service members losers (lie)....

The only time he was asked a direct, pertinent, follow-up question, it was by TRUMP (Name one law enforcement agency which has endorsed you), and Biden was left looking like a deer in headlights.

Then there's the issue of his adjusting his wire, caught by an astute observer.

Yeah....Nothing "worked" for Biden last night.

DeltaTango 3 points ago +3 / -0

The only time he was asked a direct, pertinent, follow-up question, it was by TRUMP (Name one law enforcement agency which has endorsed you), and Biden was left looking like a deer in headlights.

Yeah, that was a good followup from Trump. It was a good gamble by Trump. I'm sure there might literally be exactly one agency that's endorsed Biden, but you know Biden's not going to remember it, and the odds are good none have endorsed him.

mateus 2 points ago +2 / -0

The only one I can think of is the FBI lol.

Fabius 5 points ago +5 / -0

It was creepy when Biden looked at the camera. He's a creepy guy.

mateus 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

You bet. Very creepy. He's always been that way. And he's a plain creep, too. I was waiting for him to talk about Beau's death, because he's always been an opportunist that way.

When his first wife and infant daughter were tragically killed decades ago, he ran around the country, looking for sympathy votes, lying that they were killed "when a guy decided to drink his lunch."

There was NO alcohol involved, and investigators concluded that it was an accident when his wife pulled into the path of a truck whose driver had the right of way. They suspected she might have been distracted by a baby and two toddlers in the car--long before car seats were mandated.

Instead, though, Biden sent a working-stiff truck driver to his grave repeating the same old lie, and never corrected the record until years later, when the man's still-suffering family had had enough, and called him on it again--and when he began running for higher office.

Still, he only said that "the information" was incorrect, when no one ever found alcohol to be a factor, and no one MENTIONED it--except Biden.

There's nothing funny or endearing about him. Liar, plagiarist, opportunist, creepy, miserable human being--and an all-around creep.

That's the real Joe Biden.

Deadsea 9 points ago +9 / -0

I wish Trump called out the fact Biden refused to have real conversation on Rogan. I feel like if Biden had to debate Trump for any longer Biden would start breaking down on tears. Also Chris saved Biden twice from Trump just crushing him into dust if was an actual argument.

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Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0

Biden got his reset button hit a few times matter of fact.

SayNoToHypocrisy 10 points ago +11 / -1

So, here’s my take. Trump went in there, guns blazing, and was the aggressor. Sure, it was almost “ Spray and Pray” at times, but hey.

Trump looked strong, Biden looked weak.

Isn’t that what we all wanted?

Nicole333 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was kinda creeped out when Biden kept doing that

newuser999 4 points ago +4 / -0

Trump should have talked to the camera more IMHO

Herecomedatpresident 10 points ago +10 / -0

That has never been his style. He actually debates. He doesn't give prepared speeches. Everyone has just gotten used to that.

newuser999 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yea, Biden's prepared one liners were plucked from a fairy tale novel "I'm advocating for peace for all and to end world hunger. Look, we need save lives here...etc etc etc".

Pilotaaron1 14 points ago +14 / -0

It went exactly as I thought it was going to go sadly. The Biden campaign spent the last 10 days in the "lid" to figure the right combo of drugs to make him lucid enough to function. On the bright side, even though Biden acted the same as he did with Ryan, aka a total dick, Trump didn't take it like Ryan did. Trump definitely held his own. I just really wanted him to expose Biden for the useless fraud that he is and it didn't happen although the I've done more in 47 months line was spectacular.

2 things that surprised me:

  1. Wallace was way worse than I thought he was going to be. Out of all the moderators, I thought he would be the most "fair". Especially after Biden's campaign treated him the way he did. Just a total joke.

  2. The telemundo who won the debate poll. I didn't expect that.

Overall, I don't think this moved the needle in either direction. I wish Trump would have done better, but he was debating 2 people.

Nancypelosisoldliver 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would encourage you to watch it again and look for the part you're missing because I was hoping trump would go that route too and he did if you watch it. He exposed bidens fraud a handful of ways. Hunter buden getting to manage 1.5 billion having never done anything before. Getting millions of dollars from shady russians and shit. Joe didn't know what to do besides try to hurl threats and call trump stupid. Sad!

Herecomedatpresident 2 points ago +2 / -0

who did Telemundo poll give it to?

Pilotaaron1 9 points ago +9 / -0

Trump 66-34

Perhelion 5 points ago +5 / -0

Completely agreed on Wallace. If Fox News wants to save face, they need to be looking for strategies to get him the fuck out.

Sadly, I believe they will embrace him. You could tell during the post-debate analysis that the contributors were told not to even bring him up, which is impossible to do (if we all watched the same debate) because Wallace CLEARLY inserted himself as a participate.

What happened to being “INVISIBLE”? I knew he was full of shit when he said it🙄

philandy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Proud boys.

MagaMassachusetts 8 points ago +10 / -2

I think Bidens strategy of powering through, often stumbling, and looking directly to the camera worked. Not for the substance, but it did well in boxing or framing Trump out of the discussion. The optics of which make him seem on the outside of the conversation. Looking directly to the camera is something Trump needs to focus on next time.

Nancypelosisoldliver 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can say that but also if you pay attention trump clearly had the better body attitude. Biden barely looked at trump ever and was often looking straight down whe. He wasn't busy trying to talk to chris wallace about how trump couldn't shut his mouth in an attempt to derail the debate and not have to answer questions

oakley 0 points ago +1 / -1

Agreed about looking to the camera occasionally. He also needs to dial down his facial expressions, and just give a straight, strong delivery.

csd268 2 points ago +2 / -0

He did make direct eye contact a few times when Biden was pushing his most egregious lies. It made me laugh bc he'd stare straight ahead like "can you fucking believe this?"

MagaMassachusetts 0 points ago +1 / -1

I think Trump was too focused on shaking Biden up, rattling his confidence. It seemed to work in the beginning, but as the debate went on, like I said it just made Trump seem to be on the outside.

Journey95 -12 points ago +4 / -16

Yeah Biden played it surprisingly smart. He wasn't even as senile as we thought.

Trump meanwhile was too aggressive and didn't really focus on his accomplishments. The best part was the law & order segment, that was classic Trump.

I hope he does better in the next two debates but maybe its better to cancel them

MagaMassachusetts 1 point ago +1 / -0

No way. Cancel them? That's ridiculous.

fkn_lost_my_password -3 points ago +2 / -5

Careful, you're going to get downvoted r/politics style with that kind of honesty.

kmillz 3 points ago +5 / -2

It's ok to admit Trump wasn't as strong as we expected/hoped and that Biden came out stronger than we expected/hoped. It was still a massive win for Trump, this was basically BEST case scenario for Biden.

Juicebusters 14 points ago +16 / -2

People don't need to keep harping on and on about Wallace being biased. What happens is that you mislead people to believe Biden must have won or something and now we're complaining it was 'unfair to Trump'.

Just post what an overwhelming awesome job Trump did, easily and feel sorry for Biden.

*also, going on about Biden wearing a wire or getting drugs. Why, did he do so well we need an explanation? no. He did terrible as always. Biden sucked so no need to make it sound like "YA BUT... Unfair! Biden had an Advantage Unfair!".

Herecomedatpresident 6 points ago +6 / -0

biden was a fucking corpse most of the time with wallace covering for him. Just because he was lucid at times and delivered a few prepared speeches and trump fucked up a couple times means nothing. Trump mopped the floor with both of them.

Juicebusters 5 points ago +5 / -0

I don't know that Trump fucked up anything but if all I see are memes screaming "NO FAIR!!!" then I'd easily assume Biden owned Trump or certainly got the best of Trump.

After all, Trump supporters are massively posting 'NO FAIR!! Cheating NO FAIR!!' all over the internet.

*but I actually watched the debate which was just Trump slapping everyone around and winning vs some weirdo burping out strange stuff.

DeplorableWeWin 44 points ago +45 / -1

If anyone wants to know why trump kept interrupting Biden, it’s bc he was wearing an earpiece/wire and Biden can’t concentrate on what’s being fed to him with trump talking over it. Pretty smart on trumps part there

GreatAmerican 6 points ago +6 / -0

Dang, that's actually a pretty good point. I wonder if that really is why.

stratocaster_patriot 7 points ago +7 / -0

I swear I saw him adjusting that earpiece once toward the beginning.

Phins360_FL 29 points ago +29 / -0

where were the questions on foreign policy?

Trump interrupting Biden was a brilliant tactic. Biden had the questions beforehand - that was obvious - and his handlers had him rehearse his speeches to each answer. Trump thru him off tempo and topic by interrupting him. That's what I saw last night. The law and order piece was big too.

Next "debates" are going to be ludicrous. Especially when you have 2 moderators - both dems. I don't know why the Trump team agrees to having 2 registered democrats on the moderation side. Seems to me he should be able to pick someone. Chanel would be nice, or maybe Michelle Malkin.

Captain-D 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah he had rehearsed answers for every question. They are lying about that. Donna freaking Brazille was in the Fox pre-debate panel.

stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +5 / -0

They agree to it because unlike Dems we are not scared of debating anything and everything.

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Herecomedatpresident 4 points ago +4 / -0

and white supremacists rioting in the cities. Absolutely set up questions. It's what always happens in presidential debates but trump refused to play along.

Perhelion 4 points ago +4 / -0

PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST makes Trump look too good. Couldn’t do it. Had to spend the entire time sucking off Old Joe.

The part where they were both telling Trump to “do it” and denounce white supremacy, it couldn’t be anymore clearer that it was 2v1.

Carleezy1776usa 10 points ago +10 / -0

Chris Wallace is actually a registered Democrat, so make that 3 libtard moderators

abbadon 36 points ago +37 / -1

Should have said: "I condemn KKK and all white surpemacists. Will you Joe condemn the "idea" of ANTIFA and Harris' support for the riots?"

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DeplorableWeWin 14 points ago +14 / -0

Trump has condemned those groups a hundred times over the last four years. I think it’s right at this point to ask what group exactly are you referring to this time.

Trudict 5 points ago +5 / -0

I think he can do both.

You gotta remember who your audience is, and who you're trying to convince.

And who you're trying to convince are the dumb uninformed people in the middle who only watch fake news who don't know that he has condemned those groups over and over. So just do it again during a debate where way more people than your average press conference are watching, and let them see it first hand.

Even if you follow up with other stuff, you just say: "Of course I condemn white supremacy and the KKK, just like I have dozens of times before today. But the problem on the streets I have been seeing the past few months are not at all related to white supremacy or the KKK, but by BLM and Antifa... will you condemn BLM and Antifa for all of the arson, rioting, and looting Joe?"

abbadon 5 points ago +5 / -0

I know he has, but it was an opportunity to do it with everyone watching where they couldn't soundbite it out.

Missed opportunity.

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Juicebusters 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes and now more people can see the Fake News and get sick of it and more people will vote Trump.

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FakeNewsUlose 3 points ago +3 / -0

You're wrong it was Impossible because Wallace would just change the subject when Biden was struggling.

thesteelerfan18 3 points ago +3 / -0

Idk I don’t missed the days were Republicans would just sit back and let Democrat’s lie openingly. Trump steam rolling Biden got him to say things he didn’t want like he doesn’t support the green new deal! I mean how huge is that! Sure it doesn’t make the news but you don’t think the millions of sanders supporters saw that and were furious?

The only aspect I didn’t like was trump saying he would release his taxes. He needs to do it, since he keeps saying he will otherwise it just comes off as shady to voters.

ChinaVirus 4 points ago +5 / -1

Yep. People on here downvoting anyone who is just being real. We aren't gonna win this election acting like the hard left not willing to acknowledge that there are plenty of people in the middle who can still be swayed.

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MetalRiddle -2 points ago +14 / -16

Biden actually did good. He basically "won" the debate if he didn't shit himself on stage. I'm hoping that Trump will release the true fire & fury in the upcoming debates.

Seems the "normie" angle is it's just two old men arguing. Trump no longer has the "He's an idiot who will definitely lose" thing, who then proceeded to come out of nowhere and bitchslap the establishment.

Having said that, high public expectations for Trump and low public expectations for Biden still means you have a strong candidate vs a weak one going into the election.

Herecomedatpresident 4 points ago +4 / -0

Are you kidding? He didn't answer a single fucking question, he was able to eeek out a few polished speeches and then literally sit back while Trump hammered Wallace who was debating for him. He looked like he was going to fall over a few times

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Herecomedatpresident 1 point ago +1 / -0

no shit.

Wrexxis780 11 points ago +12 / -1

Probably because he seemed like he was wearing a wire. People last night noticed one in his shirt and a device in his wrist. Plus the weirdness when he said “good luck” before answering one of his questions.

Thadonalder 2 points ago +2 / -0

Arnt they both miced? Anyone work in tv or film studios here? I've been around them in the past and even if they have a regular mic they normally have a lapel backup mic. I'm not an expert though.

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PremiumPatriotPepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

That was very weird!

FromSethWithLove 3 points ago +3 / -0

Very wired indeed

sparlitz 50 points ago +50 / -0

I thought it was a brilliant strategy on Trump's part to disrupt all of Joe's pre-rehearsed, canned speeches, making Joe lose his train of thought every time. This made team Biden/Wallace very angry. Joe had planned to deliver his scripted lines uninterrupted and was not prepared for Trump to be constantly upsetting the apple cart.

Joe had hoped for his "my son Beau is not a loser" speech to be an Oscar-winning performance, and it's obvious he and his handlers spent hours trying to get the right cadence and emotion. Trump saw that and pounced - turning the spotlight on Joe's son Hunter, who really IS a loser. Joe then had to resort to defending his crackhead son instead and the lamestream media had lost yet another sound bite.

OrangeFruitGood 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is what I've thought since early in the debate. I'm surprised so many here haven't picked up on this.

Herecomedatpresident 2 points ago +2 / -0

me too I loved it.

PourOneOut 29 points ago +29 / -0

Just throwing it out there again that Hunter Biden slept with his dead-from-cancer everyone-acts-like-he-was-a-hero brothers wife, and that she literally has a son named Hunter, that "predates" that relationship. So it's either foreshadowing, or unbelievably, even more fucked up than just banging your dead brothers wife.

shadows_of_the_mind 39 points ago +40 / -1

Considering the circumstances of the debate where Trump was pretty much up against them 1 on 2, he did alright. Best part was Trump absolutely schooling Biden on law and order. Overall I really only have 2 major complaints

  1. I wish he’d hold back on the interruptions and realize when Biden is stumbling like a moron. To let him just continue to babble is better than continually lobbing attacks. There were a handful of times I noticed Biden was losing his shit, and Trump cut him off almost saving Biden from looking like a brainlet. Exposing Biden’s mental state is one of the best cards Trump had to play. Use it more wisely in the next debate.

  2. The whole white supremacy disavowing question. The easiest question he had all night, where Trump really could’ve flipped it on Wallace and Biden. I was hoping his response would’ve been something like “Yes, I do. What kind of stupid ass question is that? I’ve disavowed white supremacy countless times over the course of my administration, and the Charlottesville comment was taken way out of context and you all know that. And on top of that my new platinum plan for black Americans designates the KKK as a terror organization.” He could then have gone into how Richard Spencer and other white supremacists have endorsed Biden, how they back CRT because it’s a genuinely racist awful anti American way of thinking. Bring back up Biden’s 1994 crime bill, and drop the hammer on him for suggesting black people aren’t black if they don’t vote for him

He could’ve shut them up hard and fast, instead this is the one moment the Marxists are gonna repeat from now till Nov 3

Sun_Tzu 9 points ago +10 / -1

I agree. We know where a the president stands on white supremacy, but the left believes the manufactured lies. He missed a huge opportunity there to shut them up for good, but I am also happy that he didn’t just bed over and take it when they clearly tried to spin the violence as a “right wing” thing.

I do hope the president follows up on this though and shuts the left up, as they are going crazy with this right now. I’m tired of explaining to liberals once again that’s he’s already denounced them.

Emper 3 points ago +4 / -1

Yeah with the "white nationalist" thing I think for Trump it was the 1000th time he'd heard the question so he was too nonchalant about it. Not realizing that for the average person this may have been the first time and he needed to explain himself.

flatdarkearth 15 points ago +15 / -0

Fuck moderators. Let them go back and forth for two minutes, mic switching off after their turn is done. Let the shit grow and no naturally. These are top politicians who don’t need biased moderators. The way Wallace was running it things needed to be longer. Longer times & overall longer debate. It was so short that we heard Wallace almost as much as the politicians

AlcoholicRetard 33 points ago +33 / -0

I’m so hung over I think I might actually die.

englishpleb 7 points ago +7 / -0

Username checks out lol