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Gramma53 226 points ago +236 / -10

He is the Son of God. He willingly sacrificed Himself so we could be saved! And even harder, as a parent --.God sent His Son to die so we might be saved.

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Illah88zillah 28 points ago +32 / -4

Only an asshat would downvote this.

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Hillarys_Diaper 18 points ago +20 / -2

Leftists Lurk here so yep.

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BunnyPicnic -2 points ago +7 / -9

So don't get angry at me. .

You say he willingly sacrificed himself? But Jesus said himself he and the father are one. The way, the truth, the light.

Why couldn't god just stop lucifer instead of sacrificing himself in human form, to absolve the sin of man created by God? Seems a lot like how the Democrats operate. It's a racquet.

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Morningstar0118 16 points ago +18 / -2 (edited)

God didn’t create sin. We choose sin. Satan chose sin. Sin is separation from God, from His holiness, from His perfection. Sacrifices for atonement were made by human priests in the Old Testament for the sins of Israel. Jesus became the ultimate sacrifice, being the Son of God, creating perpetual atonement for all who believe, redeeming humanity from the corruption of sin. But we have to choose! God has never forced anyone to do anything. He won’t. It’s the gift of free will.

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BunnyPicnic 7 points ago +8 / -1

God created everything. It literally says that in the first book.

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BunnyPicnic 3 points ago +5 / -2

So God doesn't have a plan for all of us? What's his plan for the aborted babies?

I'm not trying to be an ass. I just want to know what you guys would say. My whole family is Catholic but I stopped going to church in college. My parents still believe but they don't go to church, I think I opened a lot of questions to them.

Think about what you are saying. God creates everything, including lucifer who was an angel. Why can't God just stop sin without having to believe in Jesus?

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Foxbat40 4 points ago +4 / -0

If god made a perfect world with no sin and no wrong actions we would have very limited options for our behavior. Imagine the ice cube maker in your refrigerator. It can't commit a sin because it's actions are limited.

That type of a world bereft of meaningful choice is not what God wanted to create. He wants souls that have had a choice between God and sin an chosen God. Would you want someone in your eternal home who hasn't chosen to be there?

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BunnyPicnic -1 points ago +1 / -2

What I wouldn't do is close the doors of my home to someone just because he didn't believe the fairy tales I told everyone to believe. In fact, that person is exhibiting free will. What about an aboriginal in Australia? I doubt they have much knowledge of christianity. Would you keep them from your house if they were outside and a tornado was coming through?

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Foxbat40 2 points ago +2 / -0

Most churches make uncontacted people's a high priority for outreach and mission work for that very reason. God doesn't close doors. His doors are wide open. You can't be with god if you don't believe in him and are still living with sin. IE choosing to live separate from god.

It is your choice.

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curseoftheideaman 1 point ago +3 / -2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qs3GlNZMhY

You don't get real love and truth by stacking the deck. God wants love and truth because God is love and truth.

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ERansom 0 points ago +1 / -1

John Calvin joined the chat

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AenAllAin 9 points ago +9 / -0

Lucifer is dealt with... neither God, nor His Son died for Lucifer. Now you and me on the other hand... I suppose if God was a Democrat He would be okay with having one set of rules for those He didn't like and another for those He did, but God is NOT a Democrat!

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kesquare2 2 points ago +4 / -2

No... Jesus did not say that. He said He and the Father are of one will/purpose.

God did sacrifice his son, Jesus.

It was to show he would do the same as he asked Abraham to do to his son.

He was fulfilling his covenant to Abraham.

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BunnyPicnic -1 points ago +3 / -4

But why would you kill your own son if you are all powerful, all knowing, and all wise?

Have you ever looked at religion from outside the box?

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kesquare2 6 points ago +6 / -0

I certainly have.

As a disclaimer this may get a bit verbose so I broke it into 2 parts. Part 1, why did God kill his own son. Part 2, if you are all powerful, all knowing, and all wise.

You have to do a bit of reverse engineering and also have to be able to look at the text from the context of the world at the time it was written.

So firstly, you have to come at this with at least the belief that the Bible is real and what it says is the Truth.

If you aren't to that point then tell me and I can show you how I narrowed down Christianity as the closest to God's divine intent.

Part 1

Anyway, back to the Bible. Before Judaism, before Christianity, God was pretty simple: bless good, smite bad.

Abraham was very good. We'll say ideal (for the time). God decided to bless his family, but to make such a covenant he gave Abraham a test. "Kill your only son."

When God saw that he would actually do it, he made the covenant with him.

Flash forward to just before Jesus was born. This is the time when God decided to expand the covenant to all humans by impregnating Mary, therefore spawning a child that is both deity and man.

In order to fulfill this covenant, he sacrificed his only son in the exact same way as he asked Abraham.

Part 2

I could give the "don't try to understand God" line, but you can actually reverse engineer people to surmise God's intentions.

So, again we assume the Bible is the Truth. It says that man is formed in God's image. This doesn't mean just physical, it means in total, i.e. emotions, desires, ambitions, goals, etc.

People are pretty simple when you look at them as a whole. They're greatest desire is love. Family love, friend love, spousal love, etc.

If we reverse engineer back to God, his greatest desire is also love.

So we assume that God is all-knowing and all-powerful. We also assume there is an eternal afterlife.

The one catch to God's all powerfullness is free will. Here is why: His greatest desire is love, but forced love isn't love. It has to be a choice.

So he sets up the millenia that people are on earth in order to gain, prove, and keep people's love for eternity.

When people were less developed he gained their love with grand gestures. As people became more intelligent he sought their love in more intelligent manners.

This brings us to sacrificing his own son. It us the culmination of hundreds (perhaps thousands) of years. And what better way to seal people's trust and love in him than by displaying his love for us in the most selfless way that also is exactly the way he asked Abraham to show his love for God?

And thus we have Christianity, thus we know just how far God is willing to go for us, and it is this sacrifice that sets Christianity apart from all other religions.

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BunnyPicnic -1 points ago +3 / -4

So yeah I'll stop at the beginning. I believe the Bible is a collection of stories, passages, and books. Of which we don't know the writers, when it was written, etc. The fact that it was written in hebrew, then translated multiple times to other languages, there's some things lost in that translation.

I need proof before I would accept it as true, and you can't use the bible to prove the bible. If that's the case, harry potter is real.

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kesquare2 6 points ago +6 / -0

So lets start with your assumption that the Bible was translated multiple times. This isn't correct.

The OT is translated from the earliest available Hebrew version directly to the destination language.

Likewise the NT is translated from the earliest available Greek versions to the destination language.

If an earlier version is discovered, there is a revision if necessary.

There is also strenuous comparisons among all available original texts and good bibles will have notations on which words/phrases differ among the original texts.

Here's an interesting summary.

https://www.josh.org/8-manuscripts-validate-new-testament/

Some of the manuscripts that contain parts of the NT date back to the 100s AD.

There are thousands of old greek manuscripts. In 100s AD, Christianity barely existed and the early church were small groups that shared the pieces of the Bible they could get hold of.

If you require the timelines to match to actual historical timelines or need them to dig up Peter's leg bone, you'll never be satisfied with what is out there.

Back to your original question, I'll reverse it. Have you ever considered Christianity from inside the religion? Perhaps read a book on Christian apologetics.

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BunnyPicnic -4 points ago +1 / -5

I've been inside the religion. I grew up in rural northwest Kansas, 99.9999999% of the people are Christians. Went to a Catholic School, had first communion, first confession, and was confirmed. I think it's all crap. It doesn't explain how Asians got to Asia. Doesn't explain how marsupials got to Australia. Doesn't explain anything really. Just says have faith in me and I'll show you the way. Sorry, Democrats, I need evidence that you'll help me first.

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g-money 1 point ago +1 / -0

Forget about all that crap you just said. How much better would your life be if you lived it in a way that honors God?

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BunnyPicnic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why do I have to go through life praising an imaginary being? One of the main reasons I stopped believing is because my uncle is legit one of the kindest little I've ever met, but he never really want to any church, although he believes in God. According to my old religion, the only way to get to eternal peace is if you accept Jesus as the savior, and my uncle was kinda meh on that. If he wouldn't get to go to heaven, I don't want to go either. If the only way you accept people is if they buy into your little scam, you aren't righteous. You're the mafia.

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LonelyLadypedeSF_CA 1 point ago +1 / -0

I believe our souls are pure energy, so God had to make a physical electrical pathway for us through His Son dying and making the trip first, so our energy can follow. As for why there is evil on Earth, there must be a need for us to struggle to get to the next life - like a butterfly must struggle out of its chysalis. You can see what giving people something for no work has done here on Earth!

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BunnyPicnic 0 points ago +1 / -1

If our souls are pure energy, wouldn't that mean our souls would have mass, since we know e=mc²?

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g-money 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth

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SryServiceDown 53 points ago +57 / -4

Creation is the evidence of the divine. Have you ever been outside? Or are you one of those we-can-from-space-dust'ers?

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drsowells1fan 14 points ago +14 / -0

Maybe the Department of Salt Water as Brother Phil would say.

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drsowells1fan 3 points ago +6 / -3

As a Catholic, I'm not excited about her or the Marxist pope. I just have to trust my president and pray.

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JusticeRBG 14 points ago +15 / -1

Aaah! I hated Christianity, and tried to eliminate it! But now I'm feeling the flames! I should have given up my arrogance, before it was too late!

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PM_ME_UR_VIVIAN 11 points ago +11 / -0

This account is gonna burn out as fast as it appeared, but the lulz will be epic

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FlimboFlongins 4 points ago +7 / -3

What did your Judaism teach you, to teach us, about Christ?

Lay it on us Justice! (In between your current roasting sessions, no pressure)

What Judaism teaches about Jesus: https://judaism.is/jesus-in-the-talmud.html

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BestTimeToBAlive 6 points ago +7 / -1

She was a devout Catholic before this crappy Pope got installed. She probably feels the same way about him as we do.

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mateus 3 points ago +3 / -0

Exactly.

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mateus 2 points ago +3 / -1

As a Catholic, I am excited about this pick-- which has nothing to do with the Marxist pope. 😉

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BillSkinzFifth -3 points ago +5 / -8

I for one do not believe in what you believe, but I find it really interesting that I don't care that you believe while you have already seemed to have adopted the leftest "Think like me or I will mock you or worse" mentality. How about this? We are all here to support the president and you could probably avoid creating division based solely on your personal religious beliefs. And that really goes for all of the rest of the stupid comments in this thread. We're here for the purpose of supporting our president. Knock off the divisiveness.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVIAN 12 points ago +12 / -0

TaLkInG aBoUt GoD iS dIvIsIvE

Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.

God was pretty clear about what we thinks of whingey “muh divisive” commentary.

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dagoat4l 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yeah God is serious on how he feels. He warned us of what he wants. Just like any daddy. Listen or get punished.

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yooz 1 point ago +3 / -2

holy shit god is based

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RaisedByWolves 1 point ago +4 / -3

Reading through the comments, I can see divisiveness between the various denominations - yes to free will, no to free will (pretty important distinction here), good works matter, good works don't matter (also very important distinction), etc..

I'm not religious in the sense of having a body of beliefs that I must cling to and defend, but I think it's very important to know yourself. One good thing religion can do is, especially through revivals, is to reveal to people their dark side.

Most leftists I've talked to don't even realize they have a dark side and they work very hard to keep themselves unaware. But the beast within is real. We didn't reach the top of the food chain by always being civilized, kind, unenvious, and virtuous..

Christians should keep in mind that they also have a problem with virtue signalling.

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MerlynTrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good post.

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BillSkinzFifth 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well said

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2flathat 0 points ago +2 / -2

So why are you reading these comments if they bother you so much?

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SryServiceDown -2 points ago +1 / -3

I'm going to respond in kind. If that offends you, skip on back to reddit.

I am down 100% with supporting Trump. And by the way, the irony of you being devisive while telling me not to be. Delicious.

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BillSkinzFifth -1 points ago +1 / -2

I guess you don't understand the meaning of the word Irony. I didn't deride anything about religion and I clearly stated that I don't care if you believe or not.

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SryServiceDown 1 point ago +1 / -0

I mean, I guess you need more reading comprehension?

You said I thought like a leftist. That's divisive, ya dig?

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DahRage -4 points ago +1 / -5

We... Absolutely did come from space dust. Almost without any shadow of a doubt. That's not to say, if the bible is actually the "true" holy text, there's no reason to believe that God wasn't the one who put the whole sandbox in motion. Creationism is just flawed, and any geologist could tell you why.

Christian morals and teachings I can get behind, but let's not start pushing scientific knowledge from a book that was used to defend geocentrism.

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mateus 3 points ago +3 / -0

There are a lot of things geologists can't tell us.

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SryServiceDown 1 point ago +2 / -1

We can't use a book because someone misused it? Do what?

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DahRage 1 point ago +2 / -1

No, by all means continue to use it, just be wary of making similar mistakes.

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TheRealPizzaPope 18 points ago +22 / -4

You’re claim about non-sequitur isn’t valid. You didn’t even ask what he is “saving” us from. The answer would be he is saving us from God’s wrath, which was poured out on His Son rather than us.

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JesusisKing 9 points ago +10 / -1

God loved us so much the Word became flesh as to change the nature of flesh through conquering death. :) it’s a much happier than an angry God who need blood to have his ego fulfilled, a common misunderstanding from Greek translations. Logos is rising! Christo Anesti!

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MouthAgapeForBLMJizz 9 points ago +10 / -1

Why did God create something (humankind) that also needed to be saved from his wrath?

Genuine question.

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SpaceCadet 8 points ago +8 / -0

He created mankind with free will because no one can truly love without free will. The downside of free will Is the choice to also choose wrong. And so we chose wrong, yet He still gives us all opportunity to choose love and to choose Him, The hallmark of His example of love is choosing to take our Deserved death Upon his shoulders so that we might be saved through Him.

There are lots of stories of gods throughout the ages, but how many of those gods sacrifice their own life for the undeserving mortals He created, so that they may know Him and have a chance to live with him eternally. It’s a story of love from beginning to end.

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ERansom 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is borderline Pelagianism. It was condemned as heretical 1600 years ago.

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SpaceCadet 1 point ago +1 / -0

A key difference being that I never once mentioned that humans are inherently good. I think man is flawed and sinned thus needing saving , thus needing mercy and thus needing grace. We are given the free will to repent from our sinful nature and choose Christ our Lord and Saviour who takes away the sin of the world.

The history of the church is filled with as many flaws as anything so I would be careful using the term heresy all Willy nilly without any Biblical references.

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DontTouchMyRice 7 points ago +7 / -0

Tough Question. But I’ll take a stab.

Your question can be broken down into: (1) why did God create Man? and (2) why does Man need saving? Firstly, we cannot know why God would do something because He is all-knowing and we are not. But here’s my guess: God is an embodiment of Love. Love cannot be displayed without having something to love. Hence, God created man to love him, and for us to love God. Secondly, God did not make us to automatically love Him. Why? Because love is made more powerful only by the fact that we have the option to not love. When we sin we choose not to love God and because God is infinitely perfect and loving, he is going to take offence to that. That’s why He sacrificed his Son, out of an act of Love, to bring us back into good standing.

These are just some musings of a new Christian. I would encourage you to seek a local church and find someone who would do a better job than I can.

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Butt-or-Face 5 points ago +5 / -0

Your changing of heart is your own miracle.

It was to me, at least. I was a militant atheist once upon a time.

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MouthAgapeForBLMJizz 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you for the explanation and reply. Much appreciated.

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PM_ME_UR_VIVIAN 7 points ago +7 / -0

I would add to the other comments that God’s wrath is most evident in allowing us to be consumed by our sins and die in them. It isn’t typically firestorms from heaven.

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lmao 6 points ago +6 / -0

I think because God gave everyone complete freedom and with that freedom complete responsibility.

Then he gave commandments how not to use that freedom for evil.

Then everyone was disobedient to God and failed to keep his commandments in one way or another. Therefore God's wrath.

But God didn't create everything to be destroyed, so he wanted to save people from his own righteous wrath, so Jesus gave his life in our place, satisfying God's wrath for us, so everyone can now also be saved through Jesus.

So if you're not under Jesus' mercy, you're still under God's wrath.

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Spcwolf 3 points ago +3 / -0

Why did God create? Certainly not because He needed someone to love. Throughout all eternity past, God enjoyed perfect love and intimate communion within His own being. The three persons of the Godhead—Father, Son, and Spirit—enjoyed perfect relationships and completely fulfilled one another. Thus, God was not inwardly lonely or personally empty; He was entirely self-satisfied, self-content, and self-contained. So God did not create because of some limitation within Himself. Instead, He created everything out of nothing in order to put His glory on display for the delight of His created beings and that they might declare His greatness. The book of Genesis records God’s extraordinary display of sovereignty in speaking creation into being—and in saving it.

In Genesis, Moses first recorded the stunning demonstration of God’s sovereignty in creation. God did not look down the tunnel of time and see the universe evolve out of nothing. He did not foresee a big bang and then adopt the chaotic results as His eternal plan. To the contrary, God intentionally spoke into being everything out of nothing. He was under no coercion to create. There was no external pressure upon Him. Rather, His act of creation magnificently displayed His imperial sovereignty. No outside restraints can be placed upon God’s supreme authority, not by Satan and his fallen angels, and certainly not by mere men.

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MouthAgapeForBLMJizz 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks for the reply (:

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libman -38 points ago +3 / -41

You didn't even ask where the rain on Mars comes from. The answer would be it is urinated out by a magical Martian dragon that no one has ever seen, but if I shave my mustache the dragon stops urinating for some reason.

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Coat_Confiscator 24 points ago +25 / -1

Fedora tipping intensifies

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TheRealPizzaPope 17 points ago +18 / -1

You’re not even making sense, buddy. You’re not even making sense of what I’m trying to explain. Did the church hurt you or something?

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tombombadil 7 points ago +7 / -0

The church told him that he shouldn’t masturbate. To the atheist, that is the church hurting him.

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libman -1 points ago +1 / -2

The church told him that he shouldn’t masturbate. To the atheist, that is the church hurting him.

"The church" is entitled to its opinion - it does not hurt me.

Masturbation is harmful to people who have potential of finding a mate.

Masturbation is beneficial to people who choose or must remain celibate - and want to control their emotions and urges, lest they lead to a greater sin.

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libman 0 points ago +1 / -1

You’re not even making sense, buddy.

I've demonstrated, by analogy, the absurdity of that "sacrifice" claim.

To a rational person that hasn't been programmed it makes zero sense.

Did the church hurt you or something?

No, it didn't. I'm actually a big fan of many Christian programs. But I don't agree with your supernatural claims.

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VoterIDMatters 13 points ago +15 / -2

Man. You should study philosophy so that you can engage in actual substantive debate about things humans have pondered since the first human.

Being someone who dismisses it out of hand with utterly ridiculous mockery doesn’t make you smart or persuasive, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a complete buffoon.

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libman -1 points ago +1 / -2

I do study philosophy, and I do engage in actual substantive debate. But if my arguments go over your head - that isn't my fault.

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ObamasLooseButthole 3 points ago +3 / -0

I’ll pray for you

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curseoftheideaman 2 points ago +2 / -0

There is more logic behind there being a Creator than not. Realizing that should be step one for you.

If you want to be mr snarky smart man why don't you think about that for a while.

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libman 0 points ago +1 / -1

There is more logic behind there being a Creator than not.

There's zero "logic" to there being a "creator", because to "create" that "creator" you need another "creator", and so forth. Your pre-programmed answer is that the "creator" is magic, but that has nothing to do with "logic".

Furthermore, this "creator" would have to deliberately have created a universe with evidence for emergent processes (like biological evolution) and no evidence for a creator.

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curseoftheideaman 0 points ago +1 / -1

Wrong. Eternal God. Your atheism 101 is tedious. Go do your research then get back to me in a year or so.

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libman 0 points ago +1 / -1

I am a full-time scholar. Specifically "research" do you want me to read?

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otistoole 1 point ago +1 / -0

See, the thing about christianity is that you are supposed to have faith. In spite of lack of proof.

You cannot prove or disprove that there is or isn't a god. Because God is ineffable. Maybe beyond our ability to sense or conceive of the presense of God. So relying on fallible and ever evolving human philosophy just doesn't impress me. Sorry.

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HCQaddict 1 point ago +3 / -2

Based!

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bitterbut_true -79 points ago +8 / -87 (edited)

God sent His Son to die so we might be saved.

Except he didn't 'save' those that get sent to Hell. No forgiveness there...

Y'know if you found and nursed a stray cat but later decided to burn it alive, because it just wandered off and found a new home, you'd be considered a MONSTER--especially if you blamed the cat; and especially if you decided to burn it again after if it had miraculously healed the first time.

Why did this 'ever-loving' God create Hell for some of us?

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Bullet3250 53 points ago +57 / -4

Sin.

Study what Sin is - and you will have your answer.

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Iamnotademocrat1 [S] 42 points ago +44 / -2

Individuals choose what type of life they will lead. Anyone and everyone can reflect and repent.....if you go marching to death with your heels in the ground filled with hatred that is your choice.

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RealRedneck 12 points ago +17 / -5

It's the ultimate freedom. Without a judeo-christian basis of good and evil and the freedom to choose between the two, the basis of our entire country is meaningless. The why you have legions of atheist Biden voters actively trying to burn the system down.

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bitterbut_true -32 points ago +6 / -38

Its a threat.

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Iamnotademocrat1 [S] 29 points ago +32 / -3

It is always about choice. You choose to ask questions and ask for answers. It is your choice to believe what ever you choose to believe. I shared my understanding and belief.

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glow-operator-2-0 10 points ago +14 / -4

I choose not to believe, but I know I will vote for Mr Trump.

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bitterbut_true -31 points ago +3 / -34

If its true, as you believe, then there is NO choice--unless yr a pain loving masochist. Y either do what God wants or get 'burnt' alive, endlessly without relief. What's the choice?

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Statetheism_Sucks 31 points ago +32 / -1

The choice is repent and change your heart or don't.

There are always consequences for actions.

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AtomicGoya 4 points ago +6 / -2

Believe that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Salvation is through BELIEF, not repenting. Repenting is your service to Christ after salvation. Repenting is a work, and we are not saved through our works. As the Bible says.

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Iamnotademocrat1 [S] 9 points ago +11 / -2

I am not here to convince you or change your mind. It is a choice. Are you an agnostic, atheist or just like to debate.

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bitterbut_true -8 points ago +6 / -14

I believe in God. I just don't believe Jesus is God.

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Loiuzein 2 points ago +5 / -3

You either obey the law or you go to prison. If you break the law hard enough you die.

You either eat or you starve.

I can't reconcile endless torment with a God that cares for its creations, but I can absolutely reconcile bad choices with negative consequences.

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Spcwolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

Have you ever considered that the doors of hell are locked from the inside? If you pulled a sinner out of hell 10000 years into eternity after the judgement. They would rather go back into the abyss then be in the presence of God.

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tombombadil 1 point ago +1 / -0

So you believe that the choice should only be something that pleases you?

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CrAzD 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sir, you're contradicting yourself. There's no choice, unless......

You know there's a choice, you've chosen to live in rebellion against God. Please repent (turn from your ways) and reconcile with God.

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Overmann 23 points ago +28 / -5

Hell wasn't created for us, it was made for the fallen angels.

God created mankind with a free will, if there isn't a bad option, we couldn't exercise our free will, and there would be no difference to not having a free will.

It is up to you to follow God and live, or follow flesh and die. God is perfect, anything less cannot live with Him, therefore if you choose sin, you cannot be with God in Heaven.

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fadingecho 9 points ago +10 / -1

God created mankind with a free will, if there isn't a bad option, we couldn't exercise our free will, and there would be no difference to not having a free will.

Much more concise than how I was trying to type it out. Have my meaningless points.

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Pepbrandt -2 points ago +1 / -3

At the same times even the angels in Heaven aren't perfect. And we won't be either if we get there, right?

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MerlynTrump 5 points ago +7 / -2

Angels are different than humans, they made their choice once and for all. Humans choose and re-choose throughout their lives, we do thinks we kind of want to do but don't really want to do (think getting in an angry argument and saying things you regret) in part because our emotions get the best of us. Angels and fallen angels are spirit, they don't have hormones or things like that and their knowledge is of a higher degree and their will is stronger. So angels made a deliberate, knowing, decision for or against God and that decision is final.

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metokur 4 points ago +4 / -0

Those who are in heaven will become perfected just as Jesus was at his resurrection. It will be Impossible for people to sin, just as the holy angels have the ability but choose not to sin because they are in the direct presence of God and all His glory.

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Pepbrandt 1 point ago +1 / -0

I read up on this further and realized what I was recalling came from Job, but at the end of Job we realize that particular argument was wrong. Thanks for prodding me to do some digging.

From what I read, we'll still have free will in heaven but no desire to sin, so that fight we battle here on earth will be lifted.

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Drew 17 points ago +19 / -2

Jesus didn’t give anyone a free pass to be a sinner. You still have to follow the narrow path of Christianity. If you want someone who will accept and encourage you to be a sinner lucifer is your guy.

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HCQaddict -25 points ago +2 / -27

Jesus is Lucifer in the NT.

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Drew 13 points ago +15 / -2

What are you smoking?

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BathouseBarry 12 points ago +13 / -1

Quora. Hahaha

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HCQaddict -15 points ago +2 / -17

I laughed in Jesus' face too once. He couldn't justify himself, so he left.

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bitterbut_true -26 points ago +4 / -30 (edited)

How about we get Jesus and Lucifer to BOTH fuck off out of our lives? One wants us to FEAR God, the other wants us to hurt/rob stupid people. Got a brilliant brain (i.e humanity)...should be able to work out what's right and wrong. BTw I'm not telling 'God' to get out of our lives. I think 'God', Jesus and Lucifer are completely separate...and NO I don't believe Jesus is God. He even said so himself:

John: 14:28:"...because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I."

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Drew 17 points ago +19 / -2

And btw, you can believe or not believe whatever you like. The people that want to drive us into one global government absolutely believe and follow lucifer, and your lack of belief won’t stop them from doing so.

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bitterbut_true -7 points ago +3 / -10

The people that want to drive us into one global government absolutely believe and follow lucifer,

I'm not saying there isn't any evil. There is. Some name it 'Lucifer'. A lot of this evil is actually 'illegal' here on Earth, so it should be straightforward to deal with.

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HCQaddict 0 points ago +2 / -2

Just because we outlaw something doesn't, it doesn't stop people from committing crimes.

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GodfreydeBullion 10 points ago +11 / -1

A lot of edgy atheist kids want to laugh off God so they can convince themselves that watching porn and getting high all the time is not a bad thing but deep down they know it is so they need to snuff out their consciouses and that begins with denying Jesus.

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bitterbut_true -2 points ago +2 / -4

Well even if you 'snuff out' Jesus your conscience will still come to get you. Jesus is not your consciene. He plays on your conscience

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GodfreydeBullion 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ok coomer.

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SryServiceDown 8 points ago +9 / -1

Just going to ignore where Jesus says that He and the Father are one eh?

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bitterbut_true -9 points ago +2 / -11

Well me and Trump are 'one' as well...in the sense we're on the same page. But I'm NOT Donald Trump (obviously).

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SryServiceDown 4 points ago +5 / -1

Was your birth foretold? How many hundred of prophecies did you fulfill?

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MouthAgapeForBLMJizz 0 points ago +1 / -1

Can you elaborate on this comment?

Genuinely curious.

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Drew 4 points ago +7 / -3

How about you believe what you want and mind your own business?

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MajJamesMcFarlane 4 points ago +4 / -0

To be fair, the OP did ask

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bitterbut_true -5 points ago +3 / -8

Sounds good. I should never have opened this can of worms. I'm still MAGA.

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Drew 6 points ago +8 / -2

I’m all about live and let live. But I will throw in one more thought. There are many levels to what is going on, one of them is spiritual. If you have the time and attention do some deep dives into the symbolism that gets put into movies, music and halftime shows over and over again and what it means. What do you think the point of it is? Look into gnosticim, the kaballah, alistair crowley, blovostsky, the suicide squid and how it all dove tails with the masons. Where does the term “new world order“ come from? I don’t think you will be able to separate it from religion, because it is all anti Jesus at its core. Anywho, have a good day.

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bitterbut_true 4 points ago +4 / -0

Well that was a headful. And a good day to you too.

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MerlynTrump 0 points ago +1 / -1

Do you mean suicide squad or is there really a suicide squid? I don't want to look it up.

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TheRealPizzaPope 4 points ago +6 / -2

Jesus told us to “fear” God like you and me “fear” the police. The term “play stupid games and win stupid prizes” could also apply to God.

He wasn’t asking you to fear God like the Muslims fear Allah

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bitterbut_true 0 points ago +4 / -4

If Hell exists then you better fear God MORE than Muslims fear Allah.

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TheRealPizzaPope 3 points ago +4 / -1

No, you have to know the prerequisites for hell. The only prerequisite is that if you are a sinner, you are going there unless you confess by your mouth or by your beliefs that Jesus is the Son of God. There is no way you can be “good enough,” although that is a very noble thing. God doesn’t just pick and choose people to send to hell at will.

Allah, on the other hand, is ruthless. It doesn’t matter how much you believe in him, if he doesn’t like you, you’re out. There could be no perfectly good reason for it, and Allah could send you to hell. Unless of course you commit Jihad.

That’s the difference. Its consistency and holding to one’s word.

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HCQaddict -14 points ago +2 / -16

God doesn't want people to fear the police. Your god sucks cop dick.

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TheRealPizzaPope 6 points ago +8 / -2

OOF. Shave ur neckbeard buddy

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HCQaddict -5 points ago +2 / -7

https://www.romans13.com For God Loved the State more than you, that He gave His only begotten son, Lucifer, the police to enslave the rest of you.

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metokur 5 points ago +5 / -0

Nice false equivalency you have there. I didn't know blatant animal cruelty to spitting in your Creators face daily was the same thing. Instead of blaming a perfect and just God , how about you stop being a sinful piece of shit that shifts the blame on others.

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Sunsetmal 54 points ago +60 / -6

Based Jew right there.

Praise his name!

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ComeysPrisonWallet -15 points ago +6 / -21 (edited)

As a self-proclaimed-based-Jew, how do you feel about what Orthodox Talmudic Judaism teaches about Jesus?

Can you recommend any way to tell the "good Jews" who claim to be our allies apart from the "Satanic Jews" who claim to be our allies, but stab us to in the back until America dies?

I only ask because trusting the wrong tribe is like playing Russian Roulette with five bullets in the cylinder.

I'm just wondering if you'll be honest enough to be honest.

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Sunsetmal 22 points ago +22 / -0

Feels like a loaded question and the truth is I don't know much. I know that some Orthodox traditions, even like two hundred years after His death were still anti-Jesus. I think Talmudics are one.

What's your point?

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ComeysPrisonWallet -18 points ago +3 / -21 (edited)

As a Jew, I was just curious if you have ever taken a moment to differentiate your "based religion" from the religion that hates Jesus.

Why do you think it's a loaded question, is there something us goys don't know?

There's no need to be apprehensive because if anyone can tell the difference between a "good Jew" and a "Satanic white-genocidal Jew", it should be a Jew, no?

If you don't feel like sharing, I'll understand.

I only ask because I'd love to know which Jews can be trusted and which will slit my throat while I sleep.

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Dang 22 points ago +23 / -1

Based on the fact that every single one of your posts is based on your weird obsession with race and religion, I'm positive that there is no answer that u/sunsetmal could give that would satisfy you.

Instead of playing games why not just come out and say whatever it is you want to say to him which is that you hate jews. Even our based jews here that support President Trump.

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ComeysPrisonWallet -8 points ago +3 / -11 (edited)

Thanks for the advice: I'll PM sunsetmal to see if that user can answer the question.

It's always good to learn about experts.

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Sunsetmal 8 points ago +9 / -1

You can ask me anything you want, I'm confident it will come off as rambling and nonsensical as your last one

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Centaurboots 3 points ago +4 / -1

I would be interested in hearing

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Sunsetmal 10 points ago +11 / -1

What the fuck are you going on about now? Judaism is a pretty large religion and I promise you, I don't give a shit what the Jews think of Jesus. I don't. I care that they support peaceful religions (even ones they disagree with) and that they understand what freedom is and how we can philosophy agree on what makes a country work, even if it doesn't align with our religion.

Your unbalanced rambling about which Jew slit your throat is unimportant.

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Sunsetmal 6 points ago +7 / -1

I ask the same to you. Give me names, of everyone who owned Hollywood. Get to your point

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Centaurboots 1 point ago +3 / -2

You sound stupid

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mbarnar 36 points ago +38 / -2

Everytime they call ACB's faith cultist, more moderate Catholics turn to Trump.

(Although I would've thought the whole abortion thing would've turned them away from the DNC)

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LadyOfLorien 12 points ago +13 / -1

You'd think that, but they've bought to far into "Muh Seamless Garment" bullshit. Basically, they've been co-opted by communists who push the "wE hAvE tO mAkE aBoRTiOn uNtHiNkAbLe" nonsense, forgetting that legalizing something is a permission-granting behavior, especially to moral relatavists, and that not even God made a utopia so perfect that people refused to choose sin.

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Grief 6 points ago +7 / -1

Pretty sure Catholics aren't even allowed to vote Democrat. How can they justify murdering babies? There shouldn't be a Christian left in the whole party after they started pushing late term homicide

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ExpensiveBadger 3 points ago +4 / -1

You'd think but there are so many it's disgusting. My grandmother is constantly sending me clips of bishops and priest going against the church in their sermons.

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BuyPepe 26 points ago +28 / -2

Praise Jesus for he suffered and died for all mankind.

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runonce 8 points ago +9 / -1

There's a group that meets near me that still gets together and talks about that surprise twist at the end ever week and has some big celebration every April.

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NoMoreLies 7 points ago +8 / -1

Easter worshippers?

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runonce 3 points ago +3 / -0 (edited)

Yeah, that's it. Looks like a formal dress tea party on the White House lawn over there every year.

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GibsmeMAGA 22 points ago +23 / -1

Austere table turner is my lord and savior

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CommieCrats 13 points ago +18 / -5

we have the best cult leaders

The roman empire thought so, they changed their name to "holy" roman empire to co-opt the movement.

Kind of like BLM and corporate america.

Except corporate america is retarded because BLM is evil trash.

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Servine 4 points ago +4 / -0

The Holy Roman Empire was nether Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.

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libman -5 points ago +6 / -11

we have the best cult leaders

Maybe the most effective cult, but that doesn't make them "best".

Russian princes wanted to choose a religion to strengthen their power over the masses. They considered several, including Judaism and Islam, but went with Greek Christianity because they liked the decor.

The roman empire thought so, they changed their name to "holy" roman empire to co-opt the movement.

That was a whole nother empire, centered on Germany - "Roman" in metaphor only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

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Truth_is_God 11 points ago +12 / -1

He is the avatar of truth and love.

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chahn1138 11 points ago +13 / -2

MeToo

Thank You Jesus!

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Anzac21 10 points ago +11 / -1

King of kings!

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Sixofdiamonds 10 points ago +10 / -0

Atheist pedes and believer pedes upvoting the same meme. FeelsGoodMan.

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197222 9 points ago +11 / -2

An atheist, but a Trump supporter! 🙂

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TheRealPizzaPope -1 points ago +2 / -3

Are you an atheist or an agnostic?

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197222 4 points ago +5 / -1

Actually, technically I am neither atheist nor agnostic, I say atheist as most people don't understand the concept of rejecting religion but accepting that something did indeed put all this together, and that is why I am an ietsist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ietsism

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kleindropper 6 points ago +8 / -2

This guy's message is way too dangerous. Peace. Love. Life fulfillment through service. Personal responsibility. Crazy stuff!

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HCQaddict 3 points ago +4 / -1

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

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swimjim 5 points ago +6 / -1

Right here!

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Loiuzein 5 points ago +6 / -1

He can lead my cult any day

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VinnyMAGA 4 points ago +4 / -0

Baaaaaaaa

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SonofaGunDealer12 4 points ago +5 / -1

My man

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Willy 4 points ago +7 / -3

Hated by satanic worshipers world wide

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ComeysPrisonWallet -4 points ago +3 / -7

Oy vey!

That's extremely anti-Semitic!

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HCQaddict -8 points ago +2 / -10

Jesus is Lucifer. They control your minds.

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CrAzD 0 points ago +1 / -1

Calm down satan.

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n3IVI0 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not a cult. Sect of Judaism (initially) maybe, but not a cult. Mask-wearing is a cult.

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Pedeberrycrunch 3 points ago +4 / -1

Based cult is best cult.

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Kinger06 3 points ago +7 / -4

A dogma dealer.

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drug_prowling_wolf -1 points ago +4 / -5

You have no idea who He is if you believe this.

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Kinger06 0 points ago +1 / -1

I was making fun of Feinstein's comments about Barrett.

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libman -5 points ago +3 / -8

Good. A person who "has no idea who Jesus is" is the one telling the truth. There's zero actual evidence.

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BreakfastGun 4 points ago +5 / -1

Zero evidence? For what? The man? His teachings? His crucifixion? His resurrection?

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libman -2 points ago +3 / -5

Zero evidence? For what? The man? His teachings? His crucifixion? His resurrection?

No real evidence of the man, the crucifixion, the resurrection, etc. (Rumors 60 years after he died don't count as evidence.)

"Teachings" attributed to him obviously exist. They were written long after his death, and rewritten and mistranslated many times since. They have historically been spun to justify just about anything.

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BreakfastGun 2 points ago +3 / -1

Ok, let's go one by one.

No real evidence of the man

This is obviously wrong. Roman, Jewish and of course Christian historians have accounts for his existence. This isn't even denied by atheist scholars. We have more accounts for Jesus than we do of the Roman emperor, Tiberius, at the time.

the crucifixion

Same thing. In fact, atheist scholars, such as those in the Jesus seminar, say that the singular most certain thing in Jesus' life was his death by crucifixion.

the resurrection

His disciples were martyred and held to their account that Jesus was resurrected. Even according to the non-Christian Jesus seminar, the account of Jesus dying, and resurrecting and appearing to his disciples and then to more than 500, was being said within months of his death - NOT 60 years after his death.

"Teachings"

Jesus' teachings were obviously captured in the part of the Bible called the New Testament. We have very reliable transmissions of them. There is a field of study called textual criticism where we try to assert what the original manuscript actually said. Through the numerous surviving manuscripts, some even going back to the 1st-2nd century, we can determine with pretty good reliability what they were. The very few things we are uncertain of existing in the original manuscripts have nothing to do with Jesus' teachings or have any theological implications about his death, burial, resurrection and purpose.

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SonofaGunDealer12 3 points ago +4 / -1

We walk by faith , not by sight.

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libman -6 points ago +2 / -8

"Faith" is just another word for "lie".

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BreakfastGun 3 points ago +4 / -1

Let's see if that works:

Do you have faith your spouse will not cheat on you?

or

Do you have lie your spouse will not cheat on you?

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SonofaGunDealer12 3 points ago +4 / -1

And just to be sure, I checked my thesaurus and “Faith” is not another word for “Lie”. But I see these untruths all the time in the devils work. You see your premise is wrong right outta the gate. You may not believe in God or Devil. But at the very least don’t be the Devils Fool or his useful idiot.

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libman 1 point ago +2 / -1

This conversation thread asked a question. I've answered it.

I know my position isn't popular here. We'll have to "agree to disagree".

I still have more in common with Christians than with socialists. No Christian has ever imposed his/her views on me by force. Socialists are an existential threat to the human civilization, while Christianity is a part of our shared cultural heritage (even for atheists).

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SonofaGunDealer12 2 points ago +2 / -0

I agree fellow pede. I still see you as my brother in Christ. God bless you and this country!

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SonofaGunDealer12 2 points ago +3 / -1

Ah I have been there. Just keep living. You have much to learn.

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TheWilderness 3 points ago +4 / -1

“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Col 2:9

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Zynac 2 points ago +2 / -0

I love Jesus.

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prof_robinson 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was hoping someone had turned the sheep into little pepes. Now im sadz

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DonttrustChina 2 points ago +6 / -4

I'm more of a fan of that show's first season. Respect, though.

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runonce 3 points ago +4 / -1

I read somewhere that the Author struggled with the fanbase but I respect their tenacity for hanging in there. Amazing loyalty and dedication.

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DonttrustChina 1 point ago +3 / -2 (edited)

It had a pretty niche demographic at first, but really hardcore. They wanted a wider audience so they had to tone some things down, like the main character started out this Punisher-style antihero, but then they gave Him a kid and He stopped doing a lot of the cool edgy stuff.

It worked for them though, became a huge hit, things got kinda rocky for a while when a new showrunner, this Luther guy, wanted to retcon half the canon, but they let him do his own spinoff, and that got even bigger in America than the original. We don't talk about the shitty version that got translated into Arabic though, that really bombed.

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RootinTootin 2 points ago +2 / -0

"really bombed"

kek

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes, I follow the cult of the cute baby lambs. Weirdly specific. How did you know?

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pelosis_liver 2 points ago +2 / -0

The good shepherd.

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father— and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life— only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” John 10:14-18 NIV

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LordSluggo 2 points ago +2 / -0

AUSTERE

RELIGIOUS

SCHOLAR

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Headline_Correction 2 points ago +2 / -0

Love that guy

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chunder 2 points ago +2 / -0

I will follow Him to the gates of Hell and beyond. Whatever He wills.

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MindsetRoulette 2 points ago +3 / -1

I've been brainwashed by the cult, now all I do is help others, love my family, and live a happy life.

My depressed, shaved head, and alone friends are really worried I'm getting to far into the cult.

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Nate4761 2 points ago +2 / -0

The dogma lives loudly within him.

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Unboosted 2 points ago +3 / -1

Jesus Christ is a real person. The story in the Bible is a real life account of his life and death and resurrection. This all happened and is historically documented. Sad people try to deny history and its cringe. Don't believe Jesus Christ is a historical figure who really did perform miracles and die for the people? Is that whats keeping you from following? Or is it your guilt of your vices that might be keeping you from him? Whatever it is its your choice. Jesus will always be there with arms wide open, waiting and hoping you will join him in Heaven. But there are people that openly reject God, and that is a choice as well.

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RiverFenix 1 point ago +1 / -0

Amen!

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Son_of_a_Pepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again!

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Batch77 2 points ago +2 / -0

Jesus is the only Son of GOD, he became poor for us to become rich. Amen. I love Jesus, he is my savior.

He gave me eternal life, I just have to trust, which I do. 100%

Lets rock.

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AtomicGoya 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am a willing member of the Jesus Christ “cult”. If that is your title/description of followers. It is a choice, based on reading the Holy Bible. I can’t speak for others...but I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE Jesus is God in the flesh according to the Scriptures...just like the writers of the New Testament, who gave their entire lives believing the same thing.

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stonetears4fears 2 points ago +2 / -0

*raises hand

*raises other hand

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Unboosted 2 points ago +3 / -1

Christ changed the world with just his word. The way has guided people to make amazing discoveries, Has guided people to make scientific dicoveries about our world. Christs message is more powerful than the sword, than death itself. Its promoted world peace, idividualism, critical thinking, it made women equal in society. The Word of God keeps people grounded in reality. Encourages strength and community. No one compares to Jesus Christ.

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RenaissanceOfHope 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hooah!

That’s my God in the picture.

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ModernKnight 2 points ago +3 / -1

Most people today do not realize how radically He changed the world. It is because of Him that mercy is considered a virtue and not a weakness.

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Red_Hibiscus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ah, yes! I just got back from his house! ☺️

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winsome 2 points ago +2 / -0

me

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Smellmyfinger 2 points ago +3 / -1

I'm agnostic, but I believe everyone has the right to believe according to their own wishes.

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PropagandaWizard1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'd kneel for that guy any day!

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ihaveotherthingstodo 2 points ago +3 / -1

bookmarked for later

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Butcher_bear 2 points ago +2 / -0

Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. But I don't recognize any picture of some long haired hippy looking faggot. Jesus Christ would have had short hair. The bible commands women to have long hair and men to have short hair, and Jesus followed the entire law of the LORD.

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DadliestWarrior 2 points ago +4 / -2

Trick question, all of them because this country was founded on biblical principles thereby making all patriots followers of the lords word. Maybe not believers but followers.

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Coat_Confiscator 1 point ago +2 / -1

Mad?

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HCQaddict 0 points ago +1 / -1

Nope

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Ne1apatriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

When a cult grows up it becomes a culture.

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CrAzD 2 points ago +2 / -0

Go stand outside and think about what you said dad!

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Covfefette 2 points ago +3 / -1

I love him. He has done GREAT things for me and my family. Never let me down. 💖

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Atlas_Glugged 2 points ago +3 / -1

Can anyone explain to me what about ACB's religious affiliation is a "cult?" I'm really not understanding this line of attack.

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123breadman 3 points ago +3 / -0

Democrats say any religion that isn't muslim is a cult.

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Iamnotademocrat1 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/is-one-of-trump-s-leading-supreme-court-picks-in-a-religious-cult-1.6244904 the leftist attacked...being a Christian or Catholic is not a cult....this post was in response to the attack on Catholics. etc

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Er_hast_mich 1 point ago +2 / -1

She's Catholic and crazy, paranoid accusations of Catholicism as cult have existed since the Reformation.

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remember1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

For God so loved the world, He gave us His only son