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xkgb 155 points ago +157 / -2

Prices should come back down once supply catches up with demand.

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banumerchantmarine 72 points ago +73 / -1

There's enough ammo out there ready to go to miss every commie with a full mag before hitting them and we'll still have enough to go around.

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Chick-fill-eh 42 points ago +42 / -0

Yes, but after shooting 5 mags I go buy a case to maintain my 'always growing' philosophy.

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Bullet3250 14 points ago +14 / -0

I think my math came out to (with 300 rounds per GOP gun vs. each Hardened Progressives) over 2,000 rounds per target.... so we should be good...

;)

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AFandAM 13 points ago +13 / -0

300 rounds per gun? You are adorable!

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Bullet3250 6 points ago +6 / -0

just a National average....

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Sl0re10 8 points ago +8 / -0

If you go to the range once a month it is nowhere enough to make it through panics.

These happen every few years so I have learned to keep at least 2k around (of each type).. when I can purchase at normal prices.

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OnlySlightlyNaughty 3 points ago +3 / -0

I second this, I keep full boxes on hand and cycle through it. The bulk buys can be quite a savings when there are fewer liberals burning down the cities.

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ModernKnight 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, I think that's about what I have. Then again, I just acquired 3 more pieces for my collection that I haven't gotten ammo for yet...

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Bullet3250 2 points ago +2 / -0

after thinking about this for a while...

I think that ratio is not that bad.... 1000/1.

At least for the general use guns... maybe the deer rifles don't need that much... but all the pistols and the AR's... the shotguns... I think a case for each is a good sensible '2A position' - and stocking up on 22LR would not cost that much anyways... (a good bug out round - easy to carry thousands of rounds of 22, even on your person.)

If ammo drops to 2019 price levels .... I will head in that direction.

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ScottyGunn 2 points ago +2 / -0

I see that as a "combat" load. Not a stockpile.

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banumerchantmarine 10 points ago +10 / -0

...username consistent. hehe

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SquiggyMcPepe 6 points ago +6 / -0

I bought cases of rifle and pistol ammo long ago and stored them nice and sealed and still brass bright.

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nonredneck 7 points ago +7 / -0

but then the boating accident

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TheTPL 12 points ago +12 / -0

I learned very early on to make every shot count, and thankfully I've always been a solid marksman. People may be surprised what they can accomplish even with older school arms.

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MrSir 13 points ago +13 / -0

If you cant hit em with an old .45 you can beat them to death with it.

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XcaliburCaliber 12 points ago +12 / -0

An admirer of Mosin Nagant user philosophy I see. Bonus, the pimp hand is strong from man-handling the bolt!

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Titanium 4 points ago +4 / -0

And for those of you that don't have a .45, get yourself a steel framed assault keyboard:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/IBM_Model_M.png

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tl3c0 2 points ago +2 / -0

Keytronics IBM FTW

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Cutter 2 points ago +3 / -1

I'm always torn between hilarity (not to be confused with a Clinton) and disbelief when I hear about shootouts (military conflicts excepted) involving hundreds of rounds. By my definition, even the esteemed "double tap" is a waste of ammo.

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BigIronBigIron 6 points ago +6 / -0

Ammo costs money. Boot on the neck is free!

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Cutter 7 points ago +7 / -0

I'm willing to go 50 cents for a bullet to keep my boots shiite free.

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brassmule 4 points ago +4 / -0

Mozambique would like to know your location.

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MrSir 2 points ago +2 / -0

It'd cost more to haul it back.

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Pappy_Gunn 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's called marksmanship through volume. Double tap is a waste of ammo until you get double tapped by the one you didn't double tap. It's a bit like air combat: flaming wreckage never reversed on anybody.

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OnlySlightlyNaughty 2 points ago +2 / -0

I still need moar!

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BasteSpuds 12 points ago +12 / -0

Now there's a hot take I can agree with.

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Reev_Jax 7 points ago +7 / -0

The tree is thirsty

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FluffiPuff 2 points ago +2 / -0

I like this reply - pls take my updoot

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Magaman001142 46 points ago +46 / -0 (edited)

Ha... That's gonna take multiple years friend.

I mean, corona was a major deal. But the leftist riots pushes the demand to skyrocket!

Hell, my own family is getting armed and buying ammo! Some for the first time in their 55 year long lives!

It's awesome.

Edit: in fact, just got my first! Think I'm gonna try and find a NYS Compliant ar15 for myself =)

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zooty 33 points ago +34 / -1

You guys should all buy ar-15s and just make NYS compliant.

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BADGERPEDE 17 points ago +17 / -0

This is the way.

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nonredneck 3 points ago +3 / -0

it IS the way

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Willholbert09 11 points ago +11 / -0

I regret talking to my LEO neighbors about our ARs. Currently they are legal, but if Biden/Cumface steal the election then I need to make plans to hide my black beauty.

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quodvox 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's important to be well-armed for fishing excursions even with the high probability of boating mishaps resulting in the loss of firearms.

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SickOthis 2 points ago +2 / -0

I lost mine in a boating accident

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YourTendiesWillBurn 10 points ago +10 / -0

I love you xir.

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BADGERPEDE 1 point ago +1 / -0

IT'S XA'AM!!!

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Songofsixpence 25 points ago +25 / -0

I'm one of those people. Never fired a gun before last week. CCW class with wife this weekend. Can't wait!

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jive-ass-turkey 22 points ago +22 / -0

Make sure you get a proper firearms training session. A lot of those CCW classes, especially now, are quick and dirty.

I have told this story here before I think but I got a half-day course, through the NRA a very long time ago. I had shot guns my whole life but never really hunted much living in the city. I was not a very proficient shooter.

The gentleman that taught me went through the major calibers and explained the differences and FAQs. Then he took the time to shoot with each of us, even using snap caps to train me to stop my recoil anticipation. I still use them to this day.

I cannot recommend it any higher. One of the best investments I ever made.

Only problem is that was over a decade ago and the old guy has since died. Since my certifier's trainer license is no longer "active" I have to get re-certified. I can't use my old cert to get a new CCW because I let my existing one expire, like a dumb ass.

Make sure to keep a copy of the certificate they give you. You won't be able to get another one very easily 12-15 years from now when you need it again, if your experience is anything like mine. If you move to a new state you will likely need to it to apply again.

Don't be me, learn from my jackassery. Good luck at the class. I am sure you will love it. Hope you can get your wife hooked too.

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Molten_Plastic 7 points ago +7 / -0

Even better is the dry fire mag. But expensive sure, but worth every penny.

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Molten_Plastic 6 points ago +6 / -0

Yeah, real great to sit and watch tv working trigger pulls.

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SirPokeSmottington 4 points ago +4 / -0

Snap caps are great. Sitting on the couch doing nothing? Might as well work on your trigger pull.

Or you can get a Mantis X10 and get actual feedback on your trigger pull.

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/gun-tech-mantisx-shooting-performance-system-reviewed/

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TheTPL 3 points ago +3 / -0

I used to do some dry-fire before bed each night, even pumped the shotgun like Terminator just for fun.

Okay, maybe there's some innuendo in there 😂

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TennesseeScorpio 7 points ago +7 / -0

Big Congrats!!! I’ve been around guns since I was about 4 years old so can’t really remember not having them. I would highly recommend going out and practicing until it becomes second nature and almost like an appendage of your own body.

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Songofsixpence 6 points ago +6 / -0

Thanks! That is the plan. I might try to get one of those home target pro systems too. Saw it on RSBN. Anyone tried it?

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OneManBanned 5 points ago +5 / -0

I have one. It's pretty slick, but kind of a hassle with a striker-fired pistol as you have to track the slide for every shot. No way around that, tho. I thought it would be gimmicky but it works very well imo

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zooty 3 points ago +3 / -0

Some are self cocking. It can be a nice thing to have.

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Bullet3250 3 points ago +3 / -0

I took the CCW class in my state and they did very little 'gun practice' - there was no holstering - no drawing - no specifics on 'actual carry' - no 'self defense training' - (The state should have just called in the NRA and asked them to design and teach the class.)

We spent good time on THE LAW 'every bullet has a lawyer attached.' etc. Lots of regulations rules.

  • and gun safety was key as well.. We did range time at 20 feet... and they tied in an NRA home safety class too - which was really good.

But there was little discussion of 'actual real self defense situations'. And those are why you want a CCW. This was disappointing.

My class did not teach much about a Self Defensive Mindset. When you carry, you need 'the right mindset' - everything changes when you have a gun... from a proper self defense use - to the wrong use (jail time) - to the worse situation in which a perp takes your gun and kills you with it.... you become responsible for life and death decisions - something you did not have before you put the gun on your hip.

The path forward is to work toward, or at least understand, the "Sheep Dog" mentality.. This gives you a solid mental picture - builds confidence - and makes you even 'better' with your gun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JuVCItIabg

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SirPokeSmottington 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would highly recommend going out and practicing

practicing with what?

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Nunyo_Biznez 2 points ago +2 / -0

****Congratulations on your new fire arms.

For your wife, I would recommend some videos. The left would have you believe we are all the same but men are designed differently than women and most instructors are men. So, she may have different questions than you do.

****Concealed carry options dresses/ jeans/ crop tops:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UvKaaj6e7Vk

****Women On Target: https://wot.nra.org/

****Girl and a gun: https://www.agirlandagun.org/

Get insurance and ****DONT SAY A FUCKING WORD TO POLICE IF YOU DISCHARGE YOUR FIREARM WITHOUT A GOOD LAWYER

****911 starts recording BEFORE they answer the phone

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iKrNFrUi-x8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-apRx8WNn_w

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Songofsixpence 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks to you and everyone else too. I sent her all this information. Thanks again!

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SirPokeSmottington 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm one of those people. Never fired a gun before last week. CCW class with wife this weekend. Can't wait!

You waited too damn long.

All these years we've been telling people to stock up, this is what we meant. Good luck getting a case of ammo for less than your gun.

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Fearmonger 13 points ago +13 / -0

On the upside that will help encourage people to clean up their brass at the range.

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Boonedocksbear 4 points ago +4 / -0

I've always picked up brass at the range when the range master wasn't doing it himself. Bags and bags of brass in my shed now. Amazing what people just leave behind.

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IllusionOfChoice 12 points ago +13 / -1

Peperidge Farms remembers!

Empty shelves for months and months and months.

Tried to claim the ammo was going to Iraq and Afghanistan. What the heck would our military do with 22LR and .357 Magnum ?

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PatrickSebast 8 points ago +8 / -0

Most of the ammo manufacturers do all sizes so their manufacturing capacity may have been taken up making military ammo. Doesn't play out with the ammo being depleted when Trump came in I guess. Still it is believable that military demand would impact consumer prices.

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Bullet3250 6 points ago +6 / -0

Not all calibers have skyrocketed...

357 Sig is still .40+ a round... same as last year.

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yurimodin 5 points ago +5 / -0

if you have a .357 magnum you can safely chamber and shoot 38 Super in it in times like this.

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GorillaWarfare 7 points ago +7 / -0 (edited)

USA actually never signed that part of the 1899 Hague Conventions on land warfare. We just follow it because we're nice guys like that. We also did not ratify the declarations prohibiting bombing by balloon, and the use of projectiles which spread poisonous gases.

ETA: Additionally, the "laws" of land warfare technically only apply to wars between signatory powers, and the non-state insurgent groups we have been primarily fighting are not. By the exact wording of the Hague Conventions & Declarations, we could have been lawfully using HP/SP bullets, gas shells, and really anything we like in most of the conflicts we've been involved in since after Vietnam at least. We're just really nice guys, as it turns out.

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spicy_deluxe 3 points ago +3 / -0

"We're just really nice guys, as it turns out."

Or just nice enough to our logistics people to not make them keep separate inventory for what we're allowed to use against other state actors and what we're allowed to use against jawas.

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GorillaWarfare 3 points ago +3 / -0

That too.

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Scroon 2 points ago +2 / -0

The 22LR shortage was weird. Never really bought the hoarder/military explanations because it went on for years and years in California. Tell you what though, as soon as 0bama was out and Trump was in, 22LR became commonly available again.

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VetforTrump 3 points ago +3 / -0

Obuttnugget Got rid of lead refineries

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Cyer6 3 points ago +3 / -0

When I completed my Texas LTC (License to Carry), I used a bag of discarded junk 9mm I had laying around for the range qualification. Saving my good stuff for the real deal. Ammo could become a future form of barter and currency.

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TheTPL 2 points ago +2 / -0

Back in 2016 people were stocking up big time, figured they could offload if necessary and many did.

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MAGA-WITH-ME 9 points ago +9 / -0

I just bought my first gun today. I got a Ruger GP-100.

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dykstra89 3 points ago +3 / -0

Beautiful.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago +2 / -0

Nice. That was my first handgun too, 32 years ago. I bought it so I could attend the sheriff's academy, as we were required to provide our own weapon. We could carry any D/A .38/.357 Mag. revolver made by Ruger, Colt, or Smith & Wesson. I never regretted going with the GP-100 and I still own it today.

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Scroon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Revolvers are such a solid first gun choice. The GP100 in particular. Congrats and have fun.

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FrogSlough 1 point ago +1 / -0

My first handgun, it's a tank! Love mine, still shoot it after dozens of different guns have gone thru the safe

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ForgottenLogin 7 points ago +7 / -0

NY legal AR15? Sounds like a 4cylinder Mustang of you ask me, so neutered is almost pointless. Probably better off with a lever action.

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CanadianRepublcan556 28 points ago +28 / -0

In Canada I’m buying 1000 packs for .31 cents a shot (USD)

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thebest2020 24 points ago +24 / -0

Breaking: trump modifies favorite nations clause to include ammunition.

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Nomoralcompass89 9 points ago +9 / -0

Kek wills it.

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YourTendiesWillBurn 5 points ago +5 / -0

BIG AMMO

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Bullet3250 7 points ago +7 / -0

That is a pretty good price...

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Bullet3250 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah...

I buy cases at anything near $200-230... but we won't see that price for another 6 months.

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stratocaster_patriot 6 points ago +6 / -0

Now there is something I haven't considered. I've searched a bit and can't seem to find a good answer. Can any pede weigh in on this: can we buy ammo directly from a foreign country dealer?

I can't even find 9mm hollow tip let alone for $.31 a round.

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jive-ass-turkey 1 point ago +3 / -2

I've searched a bit and can't seem to find a good answer.

I don't see any issues with it. If anyone asks, just tell them I said it was ok.

Seriously though, just go order it. If they let you ship it to an American address internationally I am sure it is legal. Not like they wouldn't know.

I am thinking the shipping will destroy any savings though. But that might depend on the exchange rate with the Canadian dollar too, so who knows?

You'd probably have to physically take a trip to get it.

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ShartMaster 8 points ago +8 / -0

ITAR says otherwise.

It's a no-no.

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DiscoverAFire 4 points ago +4 / -0

Have you ever considered becoming an international arms dealer? And if so do you prefer your unmarked nonsequential bills in USD or CAD?

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CanadianRepublcan556 5 points ago +5 / -0

That a joke? Obviously I want USD our peso will soon be worth a wet fart. Yes, I’ve considered it, still on the table

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memeYourDreams 19 points ago +19 / -0

Or yard sales once the lockdown stops

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 12 points ago +13 / -1

...like generators were in the spring of 2000, because Y2K and shit :)

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jive-ass-turkey 3 points ago +3 / -0

Shhhhh.

Picture a time after the election; the CCP can no longer afford to keep funding their BLM diversion with no hope of removing GEOTUS from power, so they stop. Their economy is in tatters and under increasing pressure from the US, so what we are seeing now is them doing anything they can to keep the eyeballs off China and on the US, but it is also their last hurrah. The income streams that funded all of this have already begun to dry up.

The Kung Flu hysteria no longer makes sense for the MSM to push either, so blue states finally open up and allow the music festivals to continue. The travelling gypsies/BLM-activist's main gripe now being removed go back to their regularly scheduled devil sticks and fire dancing programming.

Add all of that to Christmas being right around the corner, people will need cash. Even more this year than in prior years due to the lockdown.

That is when I think we will see our first boom in the used gun market.

Then another sustained release over the next 12-24 months as things calm down and the wives that forbade gun ownership decide the gun is evil again.

We will get a bunch of new shooters that aren't going anywhere, now that they have found such a rad hobby, but the casuals are more likely to cash-out I think. Then again, maybe that is just wishful thinking.

I think they will see the rabbit hole and head for the hills rather than jump in head first and wallow in it like some of us.

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solarlux 3 points ago +4 / -1

I would concur except this looks entirely different than panic buying previously. The orders I'm seeing are not guys buying budget stripped AR to flip for 250% markup.

Today, see mostly medium and small frame pistols from the majors, and orders for rifle packages with modest to high end optics and slings. 9mm ammo has been shorter in supply than most rifle calibers. I believe there has been a mind change in that urban folks see the possibility of rolling up on a flash riot as a real possibility and that the suburbs are seeing arsonists and terrorism as something they will have real possibility of having to repel.

I think the window for stabilization of the market is at least 3 years out and perhaps longer.

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jive-ass-turkey 1 point ago +1 / -0

You make some salient points. You very well may be right.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 18 points ago +18 / -0

Get cozy, because it'll be awhile.

Last time there was a surge in gun buying (during the Obama years), manufacturers ramped up production like mad... only to see those extra lines go idle less than 6 months later, leaving everyone in the lurch and a massive glut of unsold stock.

That was a lot of capital investment that never really got paid off, and it hurt the industry pretty hard.

So yeah, nobody is going to ramp up shit until prices stay high for at least the next six months (except maybe TulAmmo, a Russian outfit that makes 'em deep and cheap, and is pretty much the only shit you can find that isn't stratospheric. But then you gotta deal with Berdan-primers/steel-casings/so-so-QA...)

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xzars_folly 95 points ago +110 / -15 (edited)

I'm just going to put this out there, honestly we are the larger part of the problem. I know there are folks out there trying to buy like 20,000 rounds of 9mm. I hear even here on gunday Sunday people flexing about how they bought dozens of boxes of 50 rounds and stuff.

Maybe, given that so many new to guns people are buying a gun these days, Patriots should buy only what they realistically think they need and leave some for the rest of us? Sit down and be 100% honest with yourself there pede. If you need to fire more than 50 rounds...you ARE going to die in that firefight. Realistically you will not even complete a single 30 round magazine in an encounter. You are not Seal Team Six, you can't hold off thousands and swim in a mountain of spent brass.

Particularly patriots with modest means who are buying their first ever gun, now cannot afford to go train with their weapon, even a little. When your range day now means $200 of ammo, if you can even find that, it means range day doesn't happen unless you are loaded. And with the Scamdemic most of us are on hard times these days. It means new Patriots are buying a gun, 1 box of ammo and just sitting on it. That means they are not ready or proficient. This is not ideal. Everybody should put at least a couple hundred rounds through their first gun to get the fundamentals down.

So come on guys, if you have more than 250-500 of any given ammo type, please just STOP hording. Buy only what you need to directly cover your defense and training. Resist the urge to "buy extra." The ammo makers are running their factories at full tilt, the stores are bare because demand is well over a dozen time what it was this time last year.

And remember the prices of ammo are going to plummet next year when Trump wins, and Trump is going to win. So you are not "investing."

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fredbrown 43 points ago +49 / -6

My thoughts exactly as I was looking up current prices. I have a couple hundred rounds of 9mm and about 1000 for the ak. If we are really worried about society collapsing, better off learning to garden and building a still.

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bidensmissingbrain 31 points ago +31 / -0

And hunting. If society did actually collapse, most of your ammo isn't going to be used making a one-man-stand against an army of "commie swine". Most of it will be spent on hunting. In a collapsed society, you're not going to be able to just swing down to Kroger and pick up a couple lbs of ground beef for burgers this weekend.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 20 points ago +20 / -0

...likely won't be spent hunting deer, either. Most of the traditional big game will be dead or in places that people can't get to.

Protein will likely come in forms like raccoon, moles, birds, and suchlike. In Venezuela now, they're hunting dogs, cats, and even zoo animals have been poached...

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Wallypip3 17 points ago +17 / -0

That's why I've been stocking up on fishing gear

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TitoshandmadePatriot 4 points ago +4 / -0

you'll still end up having to hike for it, all our easy fishing places were swamped with people like a tourney was going on daily. stock up but know the least known places.

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stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +6 / -1

This is why I'm starting to think about bugs and worms. Never eaten those before but those are sounding pretty good right now. If I could eat bugs and forage plants my limited food stores would go a lot further. The raccoons and birds in the city are probably not a good option because of their diets. I wonder how it is to eat seagull.

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MuadDon 4 points ago +5 / -1

Entomophagy gets a bad wrap but shows a lot of promise, but for our own consumption and for our livestock. The taboo is a lot to surmount.

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tufftoffee 3 points ago +3 / -0

City game won't taste good because of their diet. It's all in the diet.

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America1stAndOnly 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not hunting deer!? HA! I have a short drive to work across a back road and see at least a dozen deer hanging out there every night. They're all right at the side of the road and make me nervous as shit that one of them will try to bolt in front of my car, but they're so used to them now that they don't bother. If I wanted, I could just stop my car beside them, roll down the window, and shoot 3 of them from my car from just 10 feet away. If it comes to the apocalypse, I'll be hunting deer. They're everywhere here.

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TimeIsARetardedOval 1 point ago +3 / -2

The point is so will everyone else. Have a couple hundred people at that place getting easy kills and there won't be deer there for long.

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xzars_folly 9 points ago +9 / -0 (edited)

Most of that ammo would be spent surviving your neighbors honestly. Because of just in time inventory, all food will ALL be gone from all locations in the first 6 hours of a collapse. So after about 2 weeks even "ordinary" people are faced with death or killing anybody they know has food. So if you have any ability to source food, or stockpiles, you WILL be a target.

Which, well most people have some food at home, so 2 months and 90% of the population will be dead, maybe more?

After that 90% of the 90% will die off in the first year because even basic survival skills are just not known to people. How to find food, how to grow food, how to actually homestead, dress game, anything.

And this to say nothing about medical issues. Survivor community are going to be ravaged by diseases. In declassed CIA documents from the Cold War projecting about "post nuclear odds" they said that dysentery alone will kill most of the survivors of the bombs. Their own estimation at the time was something like a 5% total survival rate and this was in the the 1960s when FAR more people were rual, working in agriculture, and had outdoors skills compared to our modern fully urbanized/suburban life.

And the USA has NO government prep for catastrophe. The are NO food stores, NO water stores, NO medical supply stockpiles for civilian use. Only the government itself has anything, and only for its own use. And its that way because the the corny-capitalist system demanded that NO money be spent on civilian disaster relief, no that money had to go to welfare and corporate kickbacks.

And that is the thing, anything happens to the supply lines, in the first day the stores will go BARE, and then what you have is all you will ever have. And the race begins to get the supply lines working again before America all starves to death.

And if its something that causes the power to go out, then the water system does dry, and now is only 1 week before nearly everybody dies of dehydration. Because yes everybody has something potable in their home, but very few have dozens of gallons of water.

And I think that is something people are not at all prepared for, the absolute speed at which entire population of the US would die if "the collapse" actually happened.

My estimation is in 2 week 50% and in 2 months 95% are dead, in 1 year....maybe 0.1% survive? I mean think about how few people have the complete survival skillset, from hunting, farming, building, and to a much lesser extend combat. Think of how many survivor communities are going to honestly try only to have disasters like, completely underestimating just HOW MUCH food they need to grow, and if they do...crop failures, plagues, stockpile losses or other disasters? The thing is people just don't have time to figure it out. Dehydration and starvation are brutal and SWIFT killers when suddenly nice little handy prepacked units of food and water are suddenly no longer available and everybody's sinks go dry.

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quodvox 6 points ago +6 / -0

This is a sobering, but largely accurate projection of what would happen. Maybe a touch pessimistic, but as population has become concentrated in city centers, vulnerability to a supply line disruption has increased.

This is compounded by the modern prevalence of just-in-time delivery and taking the slack out of supply chains and further compounded by lack of survival skills.

For those with land, there are some better options, but subsistence farming is no joke, and higher crop yields this past century were due to fertilization and mechanized agriculture, both of which will be absent in a collapse.

And even if you are able to fend for yourself, the violent and less-prepared will be a constant danger.

It's no picnic, for sure. The probable outcome (aside from invasion by a foreign power if the collapse is only domestic) is feudal kingdoms for mutual defense. (With all of the trappings that come with a warlord / monarchy society)

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TimeIsARetardedOval 2 points ago +2 / -0

What's the survival rate for animals that lived entirely in captivity and are released into the wild? (That's rhetorical, I'm aware it's extraordinarily small)

Might make for an interesting comparison.

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d_bokk 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wild hogs in America are just escaped domesticated pigs. They're considered invasive species (hunt all you want), so even a lazy fat pig that rolls in its own poop can thrive in the wild. Good news for Jerry Nadler.

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Visolatte 7 points ago +7 / -0

Depending one where you live, the swine may outnumber the game by 100-10,000 to one. In that case, when the SHTF, you and your family are the game.

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stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +6 / -1

True but consider that in a collapse everyone will be hunting and there will be an extinction of game. If 320 million people all decide to take deer it would be a disaster. I live in the city so I'm more likely to be gunning down commie swine than anywhere near taking a deer. Even the place I know I can get rabbits is about 10 miles away and heavily populated itself. Hopefully some of you guys will provide us meat in exchange for gunning down Commies lol.

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Italians_Invented_2A 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hopefully some of you guys will provide us meat in exchange for gunning down Commies lol.

Haha I'll send food supplies from Europe!

Well, assuming parcels still get delivered....

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stratocaster_patriot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Recognize the username and always thought you were probably Italian American. I was wrong lol.

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TimeIsARetardedOval 1 point ago +1 / -0

Random air drops like we're playing 7 Days to Die.

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tufftoffee 4 points ago +4 / -0

In that scenario after the big collapse is over we would have to repopulate game via imports and hunting will cease for at least a decade.

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spicy_deluxe 3 points ago +3 / -0

Why the assumption that commie swine aren't edible? One bullet, two problems solved. There's a lot of meat on some of their fat cows.

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TimeIsARetardedOval 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, but then you turn into a ghoul like Hillary Clinton.

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not sure I want to eat something on that diet.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 11 points ago +11 / -0 (edited)

There are a lot of skills needed for that scenario... and yeah, agreed, big-time.

I keep around 2,000-2,500 rounds for each firearm I own (and 4k rounds for the shotguns).

I get the itch to buy more, but instead I went and bought stuff like the makings of a water filter (a large-ish whole-house filter rigged with some PVC piping and a few spare 0.5-micron elements, so I can dump nearby river water into it and get drinking water out of it.) I figure that clean drinking water will be a hell of a lot more important than a dozen thousand extra bullets that will likely never get used.

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RagnarD 8 points ago +8 / -0

You might want to consider building a sand filter to run the water through before running it through the .5-micron elements. That will get out the larger particles and keep the elements lasting longer.

https://youtu.be/-9-6259glPE

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 4 points ago +4 / -0

Good point... I was just going to let it settle and then carefully pour it in, but that looks faster and more efficient. I do wonder where to get sufficiently clean sand, though.

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RagnarD 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's been a while since I watched the video but I think they ran water through their filter until it started running clear.

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GrandInquisitor 7 points ago +7 / -0

Well and that’s what a lot of preparedness people say. Yes have some guns and ammo. But also get water, some non perishable food, critical gear etc.

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Magaman001142 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yup. And even learn how to build your own homemade firearms or bullets.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 8 points ago +12 / -4

To be fair, the dude didn't say don't buy any - he's saying don't hoard it up into some obscene dozens of thousands...

Back when I shot in IPSA, I'd burn through 400-600 rounds a month just in the meetups, and maybe 100-200 more goofing off at the range outside of that, so it made sense to have a dozen thousand rounds at the house at any one time (note: a huge chunk of the ammo were reloads with target-weight points and just enough powder to safely get them to those targets).

But... these days, I practice maybe 1-2x a month now (in the backyard - yay rural living!), so I don't have much need to stockpile like I once did. I usually buy to replenish these days, and that's it - except when I did an initial load-up for an AR .223 Wylde that my wife got me for my birthday (because I had neither .223 or 5.56 hanging around in the safe.)

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TheElephantsTrump 4 points ago +4 / -0

I’m looking for property and would love to have a “range” on site. Curious to hear the state you’re from and the amount of acreage you have that permits backyard practice. Thanks

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm in Oregon, and basically anyone outside of any city limits (that is, your property is "unincorporated") can openly shoot firearms. The restrictions are simple and common-sense: be sure that there is a backstop, or nothing (human, road, or building) for miles on end beyond your target, obviously. I use a hillside at the back of my property to act in this capacity, and even if there is nothing beyond the target, it makes sense to either find or make a hill of dirt or railroad ties or such - at least 20' high or so.

Any acreage amount will do, really... just need enough to get up however many yards you want between you and the target (in my case I can do 120 yds or so free and clear.) I've seen people do it on as little as 5ac.

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Kamala_Harris [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I built a house and took the dirt from the basement to make a berm. It’s about 10 ft high and 50 ft wide. I’ve got neighbors close, so I am picky about who shoots there and I try to use silencers when I can. Point is, you can make it work about anywhere outside of town if you plan it out.

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TheElephantsTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Appreciate you replying, thank you!

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TrailerTrashKilla 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

I am lucky to have a 1500 yard range l built,my Ranch Homestead is smack in the middle of our 380 Acres, with a 40 yr lease off another Uncle on the surrounding 1800 Ac. l do a lot of Long Range hunting so it is regularly used with everything up to my 338 Lapua Magnums.

We are lucky in States like Montana we have a formal rural property code which are referred to as the "Code of the West", a caution adopted by a number of western counties. The Code warns newcomers wishing to locate in rural areas of the county not to assume that their rural road will be plowed immediately after every snowfall, that a farmer's field treatments may raise dust that will drift across the property line, that a rancher's cows may moo on the other side of the property-line fence all night, that if there is an emergency it may take an ambulance, fire truck or sheriff's deputy a while to respond, that rural areas may be subject to uncontrollable wildfires, and more.

Basically, the Code declares, people living in rural areas are and must be more independent, self-regulating and tolerant of local practices and customs than their city-dwelling cousins

Yep ,l wanted to try the 338 Lapua Magnum performance on a "Cheap"platform using existing R700 parts l had from other builds .I am lucky to have a Vietnam War Veteran Uncle, (who was a Armourer with the Army Marksmanship Unit) who has a fully equipped work shop & builds Custom Rem 700 in his sleep,there was 20 hours in the action/bolt alone.

We built the rig together with the goal of having a rifle capable of accuracy out to 1200+ yards & under 12 lbs as it used primarily as a Long Range Hunting rig & have used it for 3 years now,we are just finishing off a full custom 338 Lapua Magnum build with a custom Suppressor/muzzle break system for field screw on/off.

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TheElephantsTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Really appreciate your response, thank you. I wish I had asked you in August since I was traveling through the West, went through Montana, and could have potentially visited. I’m inspired...

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stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +5 / -0

Oh it's even worse than that. Where I live the closest outdoor shooting i know of is 35 miles away (50 for the other I know of), requires a $30 annual land use pass, and I would probably shoot less than 100 rounds with a handgun and maybe less than 25 with a shotgun. Now fortunately I am a member of a range about 10 miles away but still limited in the rounds I'll shoot and I think outdoor training lets you set up more practical drills. I'd like to move out of this state but not sure how to replace my great job yet.

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TitoshandmadePatriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

so long as they dont forget to buy.

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xzars_folly 1 point ago +2 / -1

I am not saying don't buy ammo, I am saying don't buy more than you need for the next few months.

So if you go shooting, by all means pick up 100-200 for the day, but don't go buying multiple 1000 packs if you don't plan on range time.

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MagnanimousDonkey 20 points ago +20 / -0

No offense, but I'm not trusting my family's security, well-being, or survivability to some dude on the internet. That's my job.

That being said, I've sold several hundred 9mm out of my stock to a few guys at my church because they had none. This is the way.

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Harsh_Truth 13 points ago +13 / -0

People seem to forget that conservatives are also the largest donators/helpers in society when necessary. Do people really believe that if SHTF we wouldn't be handing out extra gear and ammo to anyone helpful to the cause? We love our Pew Pew's, but are also practical enough realize an extra gun in my neighbors hands with 500 rounds is worth 100% more than an extra firearm in the safe being hoarded.

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stratocaster_patriot 10 points ago +10 / -0

Smart. That's what stock market folks call dollar cost averaging. It's a smart overall idea for the long game.

It will be lopsided no matter how many rounds you have IMO becuase those fags have no idea how to shoot and you will be hitting your targets, <pop pop>. They will spray and pray and maybe get lucky but more often than not accidentally kill their friends lol.

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dGPOFniqsrZF 11 points ago +12 / -1

Ammo goes so fast though. I just got a G19x. It comes with two 19 and one 17 round magazines; 55 rounds in all.

If I average a very slow 10 seconds per shot that's only 9 minutes and 10 seconds of training.

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GhostOfMyFormerSelf 5 points ago +5 / -0

There is much more to training than pulling the trigger, but I get what you are saying.

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dGPOFniqsrZF 2 points ago +3 / -1

I agree with that completely; didn't mean to insinuate otherwise.

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PyroSphere 45 points ago +46 / -1

Bring back stoning, rocks are still free.

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Shitposter69 28 points ago +28 / -0

This just in, liberals want to start regulating rocks and rock sizes. They want to make sure you can't have more than 30 rocks at the same time.

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LordTancretus 8 points ago +8 / -0

I give it until 2025 then it'll happen.

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EdisonHwy 7 points ago +7 / -0

Tuna cans are the new thing.

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GrandInquisitor 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

Rocks are so 2019

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Bullet3250 5 points ago +5 / -0

Your stick better not have a pistol grip!!!

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Shitposter69 4 points ago +4 / -0

I've heard bump stock slingshots are becoming a real problem.

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DoubleTrumpPumpBump 3 points ago +3 / -0

High capacity rock magazines, commonly known as socks, will now be regulated by the ATF.

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Soggycrumpet 8 points ago +9 / -1

I only downvoted your comment because I do not live in IIhan Omar's district.

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Capitalism_Fuck_Yeah 5 points ago +5 / -0

This is 'Murica! Build a compressed air rock launching rifle or smoothbore instead of just throwing a rock like a barbarian.

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grenades_and_ham 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cries in Coastal Plains

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 2 points ago +2 / -0

...but no assault (black) rocks, or rocks with high-capacity magazines.

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CuzImAtWork 28 points ago +28 / -0 (edited)

9mm is 4x cheaper in CANADA right now...

For the first time in... history?

vetting

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TaggartCiscontinenta 12 points ago +12 / -0

Hmmm...Is it legal to bring across the border?

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RagnarD 13 points ago +13 / -0

a big slingshot

Trebuchet for the win.

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The_RedWolf 3 points ago +3 / -0

I miss Reddit’s Trebuchet Memes

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TaggartCiscontinenta 7 points ago +7 / -0

Darn. Thanks for doing the homework for my lazy ass 👍

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tufftoffee 2 points ago +2 / -0

That is horse shit. What the fuck ATF.

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CuzImAtWork 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's not even legal to come up here to buy it right now with the wuflu and the cuck PM keeping the border closed, let alone bring it back down.

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Chickenbaconpoutine 5 points ago +5 / -0

The other day I saw a link in /gundeals that amounted to 21cpr and my heart stopped for a moment until I saw it was a Canadian store and they only shipped within Canada.

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DRKMSTR 4 points ago +4 / -0

Same with guns and gun parts.

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DresdenFan1975 25 points ago +25 / -0

I work at a gun store. And I gotta say, I'm pretty proud of the way that we've handled this. Our 9mm has gone up to match prices, but, not to a dollar per round. Pre-pandemic, Blazer Brass was going for 12.99 for a box of 50. Our price went up to keep the same profit margin when our suppliers raised their price. So, now it's 17.99 for a box of 50. To hold off the hoarders, we put a limit of 200 rounds of any type per person.

Defensive rounds we still get in on a regular basis. I have a bunch of those just laying around.

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Libertysheimdall1 16 points ago +16 / -0

Part of the problem is that so many people now buying ammo don't even know what a defensive round is.

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DresdenFan1975 7 points ago +7 / -0

I always explain it to people, with their significant other or kids standing there. “hollow points aren’t for your safety, or for the bad guy’s safety. It’s for your kids safety if you have to take a shot and they’re on the other side of the bad guy.” 95% of the time, they take a box.

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SirPokeSmottington 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is this what you really think, or are you just gaslighting them into buying more expensive ammo?

Telling them the truth would work just as well.

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intamin 1 point ago +1 / -0

What’s the truth, then?

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DresdenFan1975 1 point ago +1 / -0

I should have specified that I don’t apply that to all cartridges. Not gaslighting. I think there’s plenty of vids on youtube documenting 9mm fmj ammo passing completely through 18” of ballistics gelatin (FBI standard test, right?) when JHP ammo stops about 3” from the end, indicating the jhp round would stay in the target.

9mm fmj rounds going through soft targets, i.e., flesh, won’t deform or lose mass, and can and do create pass through wounds, endangering people on the other side. Not saying that jhp’s can’t, just that they’re designed not to.

If I’m wrong, for 9mm, .40 S&W, or 10mm, enlighten me, please. I’m always wanting to learn. .45 isn’t so much of a concern. Slower and heavier, designed to stick by default, if I remember.

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9000ENERGY 21 points ago +21 / -0

BACK IN MY DAY, 22LR WAS A PENNY PER ROUND.

-BOB FROM MILWAUKEE

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 8 points ago +9 / -1

Cheaper, really... you could buy a box of 50 for like $3.00 or so back in the late 1980s.

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GrandInquisitor 6 points ago +6 / -0

$3 for 50 is 6 cents per round, ie 6 pennies.

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GrandInquisitor 3 points ago +3 / -0

I found some on Wednesday for .07 a round. Lol. Cheapest I found was .05 a month ago.

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9000ENERGY 4 points ago +4 / -0

I want to get to the range, but I also don’t want to dip into my reserve stash. I figure this will all be over by the end of January though so I’m tempted to just hold off until then :/

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Paul_Revere 4 points ago +4 / -0

I want to get to the range, but I also don’t want to dip into my reserve stash. I figure this will all be over by the end of January though so I’m tempted to just hold off until then.

Yeah, same here. I miss going to the range, but I'm patient enough to wait.

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GrandInquisitor 3 points ago +3 / -0 (edited)

I’d check with local ranges. Both of the ranges closest to me are gun shops too. You can’t buy 9 mm off the shelf there, but they have it for sale for range users. About $.50 a round. They both have .22 for sale too for range. The .07 per round was at the range.

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SpezDispenser 20 points ago +20 / -0

Havent been successful yet, just started trying yesterday, but apparently the trick is just to stalk the shit out of Bass Pro Shops site. They havent upped the price at all.

Other option is to find delivery day of your local big box ala Cabela's, Bass Pro, Big 5. No price gouging.

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Imjustin1000 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ive been using ammoseek for years but im pretty sure its alot of bot buyers. I check multiple times a day and new 9mm stock is gone within seconds usually . Then again there could be thousands of people checking the site multiple times a day like myself...

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Magaman001142 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thank you! My pops has been searching for 9mm for weeks!

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SpezDispenser 2 points ago +2 / -0

Cheers pede.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 3 points ago +3 / -0

http://ammoseek.com is another one.

I usually jumped on the sales from bulkammo.com that popped up, since they were pretty reasonable.

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CoreyAnder 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is there one of those search tools for firearms? I e been using Gunwatcher but not too impressed with it.

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14Kaner88 3 points ago +3 / -0

You need the sku of the exact one you want then go to gun.deals

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TaggartCiscontinenta 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not that I know of. That’d be nice though- as of now I have to look on budsgunshop.com, armslist.com & rkguns.com individually

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SirPokeSmottington 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is there one of those search tools for firearms?

Simple. Don't buy new.

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bidensmissingbrain 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just a heads-up: They are starting to up their prices. They're still not as high as other places but they're no longer "pre-rona" pricing either.

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ApocolipticPePe 3 points ago +4 / -1

It’s normally on Wednesday or Thursday limit 500 rnds 100 round boxes 21.99

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memeYourDreams 15 points ago +15 / -0

A dollar a round, stops commies from hollering around!

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Octagon2020 6 points ago +6 / -0

Its still a bargain at $1 per round, given the use case.

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rbobjones69 14 points ago +14 / -0

Been going through my stock. Found some 5.56 left over from the early 90s (I think) 20 rounds, $3.99.

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d_lock 6 points ago +6 / -0

My parents are moving out and gave me an unopened shipping box full of XM193 (5.56) -- the invoice said $389.00 for 1k rounds, 10/31/2008. Current price on Brownells for the same purchase is $559.99.

I always felt that the Obama panic costs were bad, now I know better.

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Paul_Revere 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah, that's about what I used to pay for it at Wal-Mart.

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Assault-Covfefe 12 points ago +12 / -0

This makes the .22 shortage from a few years back look like nothing.

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dGPOFniqsrZF 7 points ago +8 / -1

Stores were breaking up 22lr bricks are selling small quantities in plastic baggies. I haven't personally seen that with 9mm.

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Assault-Covfefe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wow. I never saw that. It was just hardly on any shelves. I didn't own a 22 caliber at the time, so I was never really focused on it.

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DarkBerry 11 points ago +11 / -0

Fuck you, where did you find it for a dollar a round? Last I found was about 1.50. That's fucking crack prices. Soon we'll be sucking dick for 9mm.

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TehAgent 10 points ago +10 / -0

Man! You in here for some weed? You ever suck dick for 9mm? Boo this man! BOOOOOOO

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GrandInquisitor 2 points ago +2 / -0

Go to ammoseek. You can find cheaper than a dollar a round.

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AngryDonut 10 points ago +10 / -0

I've started shooting my .40 and 10mm more than the 9. The "expensive" rounds are now cheaper than 9mm.

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TrailerTrashKilla 1 point ago +2 / -1 (edited)

If you do a bit of shooting regularly you should look at reloading ,l reload for everything l want premium performance out of, from 338 Lapua Magnum ,458 Mag to 223, the gains in accuracy & performance alone pays for itself,let alone the cost savings .

I just last night reloaded 1000 rounds of full power 10mm 'Bear/Self Defense loads' for hunting season for well under 1/2 price of the cheapest 10mm .

400 rounds !0mm 220-grain Hard Cast doing 1230fps

600 rounds of my favorite Hog/Deer load a 180-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw doing 1280 fps

Next up l will be reloading hunting loads for my 338 Lapua Magnum & 338 Edge,l have just returned from a hunting trip where l made the longest shot of my Military & Hunting life in the field at 1235 yards with the 338 Edge only possible by reloading the ammunition myself to get the maximum performance & accuracy . The 338E is a incredible hunting caliber that makes the 338 Lapua Magnum look like it's little bitch with everything up to 300 grns Bullets ,these 285gr ELD-M 's , doing 2900fps & hit like sledge hammers on Elk & Deer,l wish l had had one as a SDM in Afghanistan for my last 2 tours.

https://imgur.com/a/QQIWPPo

https://i.imgur.com/MqTjE0M.jpg

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AngryDonut 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks for the suggestion man! I think I'll start doing that. I'm a DIYer (milled my own 80% lowers) have a big shop, etc. Will def look into it ASAP.

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TrailerTrashKilla 2 points ago +2 / -0

We build most of our guns now also ,so it gives a lot of satisfaction using a highly accurate rifle you built to your own custom design with Hand loads you made your self to get the highest accuracy & performance out of it .

I recommend if you are thinking of getting into it, to keep some money set aside & watch auction sites etc for reloaders going cheap.I brought a fully set up Dillon 550B,Scales ,Multi dies,Vibe cleaner etc, that a well known competitive shooter had won & never used for under 1/2 price of what jut the machine itself was worth, all because l had the cash ready .High quality models are often given as prizes at top shooting events & the guys often already have their own set up or have ammo sponsors so they sell them off cheap.

I find reloading as relaxing & as engrossing as reading a good book now ,if l have a stressful week l really enjoy sitting down & adding to my ammo stock pile,you will not regret getting into it.

https://imgur.com/a/5sdODMB

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AngryDonut 2 points ago +2 / -0

Imma do it! Thank you for the direction.

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TaggartCiscontinenta 10 points ago +10 / -0

No shit. I used to buy 250 rounds of UMC brand 9mm for $58.88 at pre-woke Wally World. Here’s an aggregator of online ammo stores if it helps- https://www.ammobuy.com/ammo/9mm

Edit: corrected link

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Flipbarryfromreddit 9 points ago +9 / -0

Hahaha love this!

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IdahoMan87 9 points ago +9 / -0

I’m 33 years old. I can remember riding my bicycle down to the hardware store, and getting a 525 round brick of Remington Golden Bullet .22 HPs for $7.75.

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Equality72521 9 points ago +9 / -0

I'm thinking of buying a rifle in 350 legend just cause that ammo is now about the same price as .223

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 6 points ago +6 / -0

LOL - I can buy .338 Win Mag for the price of match-grade .223, and I never thought that shit would happen...

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Rob_Belmonte 5 points ago +5 / -0

I went with an AR-10 this year for largely that reason, that and 7.62 is much easier to find right now than 5.56.

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Equality72521 4 points ago +4 / -0

I haven't looked at AR-10 in awhile but have been considering 7.62. It's a good round.

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Rob_Belmonte 9 points ago +9 / -0 (edited)

.308 is a nasty round, and that's part of why I love it so much. I already had a good stock of it for my bolt rifle, so I figured why not step up the game with a semi-auto.

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thehutman 3 points ago +3 / -0

I had the same opinion. Have a nice bolt rifle, added a Tavor 7. Love that thing. Lot less recoil than the bolt rifle for sure.

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TehAgent 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have an SKS and it’s really fun to shoot. And the rounds are nasty to get hit by as above. Also cheap and fairly plentiful still; I got 1000 rounds no problem a month or two ago.

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mygenericalias 3 points ago +3 / -0

I wonder why the ar15 with the 556 gets so much preference over the ar10 in 308. Balistically it's no contest and weight is pretty close. If I need a defense rifle, a 16 or 18 inch ar10 has to be better, right? And, more importantly, I want a 308 to take down a deer

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FancyBeerCoozyBeer 6 points ago +6 / -0

AR15's are half the price. The ammo is usually cheaper and a lot lighter to carry. Building your own is a lot easier with the established platform. Not many people can actually shoot far enough for the ballistic differences to matter. To bag an elk, moose or bear, you'll probably get a bolt action or BAR anyways. 5.56 is designed for human game. Casualties are better than kills and usually fatal anyways. It's still a rifle and much more powerful than whatever big bore handgun would also be a bad idea.

Yes, I'm just jealous and want a .308 semi auto, but the reality is that I'm just not worthy. They only hand those things out to dedicated squad marksmen for like 500 yard shots in the desert.

Follow your heart. Get both.

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Rob_Belmonte 3 points ago +3 / -0

Simply put, the AR-15 platform was adopted by the U.S. military, resulting in shared designs between manufacturers.

The AR-10 was actually Eugene Stoner's initial design, however there were concerns regarding full auto recoil due to the rifle's relatively low weight and small size. Sizing the rifle down from .308 to .223 allowed for greater recoil control, as well as allowed more rounds for the same size magazine and more rounds carried by infantry for the same weight. As such, the U.S. military adopted the AR-15 platform, which became the M16 series of rifles.

Consequently, the AR-platform currently shares uniform design between manufactures. You can swap lowers, uppers, individual parts and components between companies, and they will all fit together perfectly.

By comparison, the AR-10, since it was never adopted by the U.S. military, does not share a unified design between manufacturers. In some cases, it results in uppers and lowers that do not match, other times parts kits from one company will not fit on receivers from another. This isn't as big of a deal, but it does mean that if you need to service or replace a part on your AR-10, you have to get said component from the company that made your rifle.

Finally, I'd argue that the U.S. military's adoption of the AR-platform has also been a major influence among its popularity in civilian hands.

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mygenericalias 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm building an ar10 in dpms configuration now, and it seems pretty darn straightforward to not have any incompatibilities, but I can understand the military only wanting a certain level of recoil in the go-to full auto assault rifle. For us peon civilians though, pretty much limited to semi auto no matter, I just love the idea of having 20 rounds of 308 vs 30 of 223

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spez_this 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't recall there ever being a shortage of inexpensive 7.62. Always plenty of the Russian-made Wolf and TulAmmo.

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Rob_Belmonte 1 point ago +1 / -0

Depends whether you're looking for x39 or x51.

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spez_this 3 points ago +3 / -0

True enough. However, I always think of the 51 as .308.

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Rob_Belmonte 1 point ago +1 / -0

Same here. I always get my rifles chambered in .308, that way I can stock up on either round. God help the poor soul who makes the mistake of firing a .308 in a rifle only chambered for 7.62x51.

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Pirate_Lafitte 8 points ago +8 / -0

Not only is it expensive, you have to get there right after the delivery truck arrives. It's like trying to buy toilet paper back in April

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FustercluckArmy 3 points ago +3 / -0

And that ^^^, ladies and gents, is the reality of communism in one sentence.

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LordTancretus 7 points ago +7 / -0

Laughing in .22

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DesertGunBunny 7 points ago +7 / -0

My wallet hurts from this meme.

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scurismi 7 points ago +7 / -0

I just started buying guns in late 2019 and have really gotten into enjoying shooting and gun ownership. I used to not care as much because all my guns were hand-me-downs and I never felt a sense of ownership. Now I do and it's changed my whole mindset. I enjoy shooting much more and I'm interested in practicing, cleaning and maintenance, ballistics, etc. I have a bunch of ammo but I don't want to use it until things cool down. So I have all these new guns but I don't use them as much as I'd like. Range visits only once a month. Makes me antsy. I just love shooting so much. Guns are awesome. God bless America and the 2A.

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Faycole 7 points ago +7 / -0

I stocked up bigly on ammo and magazines right before the riots started. Now I'm hesitant to go shooting because I can't replenish my stash.

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Whatthelock 7 points ago +7 / -0 (edited)

Recreational shooting is out but it would probably be a good idea to stay fresh and practice once or twice per month in modest amounts. Pistol shooting is a perishable skill. Rifle shooting less so.

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Faycole 2 points ago +2 / -0

Absolutely! I still go for at least 200 rounds a month, because fuck yeah. It's just garbage trying to find ammo that doesn't cost you your firstborn.

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TDAF 6 points ago +6 / -0

It'll come back down to normal about halfway through Trump's second term.

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Hereforagoodtime 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's not if you can catch that shit right when you're notified. All you fuckers crash all the websites right when it becomes available and that makes me happy! Stock up and be happy, but do some digging and you won't pay $1 per round.

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tufftoffee 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes, keep the leftists from getting ammo.

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TeamOrangeFB 6 points ago +6 / -0 (edited)

Just scored a 300-round Win white box target 9mm for about $0.28/rd and the Rem GOLDEN BUCKET of 22lr 1400rds for $66.

Yesterday was a good day for plinking.

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TrumpsterFire2020 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'd tell you to reload spent brass, but this would depend on where you live. So hopefully the prices go down soon.

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idkfa 11 points ago +11 / -0

Small pistol and small rifle primers are even harder to find than ammo.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 3 points ago +3 / -0

This.

Also, a lot of .223 and 5.56 are Berdan-primed (yes, sometimes even on brass rounds - it's easy to check for, though), which means you're not reloading shit on those cases.

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Paul_Revere 6 points ago +6 / -0

In my experience, that would be unusual. I've been reloading since 1995, and I'm always picking up brass at the range to reload. I don't think I've run into even half a dozen Berdan cases in all that time.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 3 points ago +3 / -0

Depends on the round... the 7.62x54R (typical Mosin-Nagant ammo) is rotten with it. I'm seeing it creep into the Russian-made .223 Rem as well lately, though so far just in the steel cased rounds.

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d_lock 4 points ago +4 / -0

X to doubt -- I have seen 20 Berdan-primed .223/5.56 cases in my life, and they were all from the same box of cheap steel case ammo that I bought to test out. I've been reloading for ~14 years, and picking up brass for ~19.

There's probably a good number of 5.56 that are Berdan-primed from some brands (Tul/Wolf/Bear), but I think that's a fairly uncommon exception in the states. Just buy .223 ammo (The non-NATO designation) and you'll probably get Boxer primed. Or just buy American in general ;)

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RandoTexasDude 5 points ago +5 / -0

I feed my AK steel

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Shitposter69 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's hungry for ass! I meant bicep. Oh, no just kidding I meant brass. Think about it!

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d_lock 3 points ago +3 / -0

Reloading for most guns requires:

  • Press
  • Dies
  • Scale
  • Calipers
  • Primers
  • Powder
  • Brass
  • Bullets
  • Time

Reloading for an AK requires:

  • Can opener
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TrumpsterFire2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Even better.

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Deplorable_in_PA 4 points ago +5 / -1

I'd have some concerns with reloads. I bought some reloads off of someone and got a really bad jam in my Glock. My Glock will eat damn near anything, but the case was out of round and jammed in the chamber. Maybe there is a way to check that during the reload? But I wouldn't trust reloads or at least know how to clear a bad jam.

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TrumpsterFire2020 6 points ago +6 / -0

Really depends on the care that has been taken with the reloading. Might have been a bad casing. But usually I'd recommand to not buy reloaded brass. Either get originals or reload yourself to be sure.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 3 points ago +3 / -0

You certainly can check - most rounds have a length tolerance, and most reloads jam because the round is either too short or too long for the feed-ramp.

You'll have to scare up a micrometer, but look up the min/max length tolerance for the cartridge, and measure a handful of randomly-pulled rounds before buying them.

Also check for case bulges and cracking (esp. around the area where the bullet was stuffed in.)

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d_lock 2 points ago +2 / -0

I saw this exact issue on my own reloads when I didn't know better about case trimming. 1-2 reloads into the same case was fine, past that I started getting weird issues with feeding. Turns out, the case was getting stretched (Bulging at the bottom, then straightened with the die) and lengthened just enough to hold the gun out of battery.

There was typically enough of a difference in case length to notice visually by putting two rounds (One factory or once-fired brass, the other multiple-fired brass) next to each other.

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ApocolipticPePe 4 points ago +5 / -1

Good luck finding primers

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TrumpsterFire2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

I guess sitting on a stock made me go out of touch on this matter. My bad. Is it really that bad?

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Nunyo_Biznez 5 points ago +5 / -0

.14 cents pre-china flu.

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Deaduponaviral 5 points ago +5 / -0

Raging liberal friend of mine coincidentally just hit me up asking about at-15s. I know his reasoning for one is misguided, hitler drumpf ww3 and all, but he still wants to arm up. Same guy bought his first pistol right after the 16 election. Bet he still hasn’t taken it the range more than once. Think I’ll toy with him first.

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FustercluckArmy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Tell him that due to recent democratic legislation in <insert your state here>, they are no longer allowed to be imported or resold. You should get at least a few minutes of quality entertainment out of watching him unpack that statement.

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Whatthelock 5 points ago +5 / -0

These are definitely wild times. It helps to carry odd calibers like .357 sig, 10mm, or 38 Super. They remain about the same price as they've always been and don't sell out as fast when they come in stock.

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Bullet3250 4 points ago +4 / -0

USE AN AMMO BOT LIKE -

https://ammoseek.com/

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Chickenbaconpoutine 3 points ago +3 / -0

Still really hard to nab ammo while its in stock. Then you turn around and see that same ammo on gunbroker and armslist at 100% markup

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Bullet3250 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ammo prices will come back down... there are a ton of ammo producers - and a 9mm 115 brass range round is a total commodity. If you have 1000 rounds you are good. Use the 22 for plinking this year...

I spoke with a wholesaler - he 'felt' supply would over reach demand sometime after the election and ammo prices would tank by late Winter or Spring.....

The 'fear' quotient is a MEDIA thing for election politics only - not supported by actual numbers in the field - and all those whack protesters are mostly 20 somethings who never saw what 'real consequences look like' - so they pretend to be cool Antifa pretend revolutionaries... but they will MELT away when the first bodies drop or their friend gets 10 year sentences from the Feds for arson.

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mygenericalias 4 points ago +4 / -0

And half or more are seriously mentally ill with delusional paranoia

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d_lock 4 points ago +4 / -0

There's always a natural upswing in prices during hurricane season, too. Current costs right now are something like riots + lockdown fears (Dying off) + hurricane season (Ending in Nov) + election worries (Ending in Nov).

9mm prices will probably go down to ~30cpr by end of Dec (When we see if holiday crime upticks due to lockdown idiocy), and be back to more regular costs by Jan/Feb.

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GrandInquisitor 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yup

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Golden_Eagle1776 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just stocked up this past week and it cost me a fortune. But I feel pretty set.

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GrandInquisitor 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

I have a ton of .22 and then like 900 9 mm rounds. I have a 10/22. However I don’t have a .22 pistol and have a 9 mm pistol. Is it worth using some time training on a .22 pistol for affordability and availability? These skills will mostly transfer right beyond recoil?

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Whatthelock 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's worth it to train on fundamentals. It's not perfect but far better than nothing. I recommend a Walther P22 if you can find one. Avoid the Glock 44 unless you learn that the issues have been resolved.

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GrandInquisitor 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah the issue is I don’t have the funds to buy a new gun. Rentals are $10 at range

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SenditDownrange 4 points ago +4 / -0

Best I ever did for 115gr 9mm, brass cased, fmj was 14c/rnd, shipped to my door.

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ApocolipticPePe 2 points ago +3 / -1

Sportsman’s guide I would get 1000 rounds of SB for 146$ I am a member of the buyers club though

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SimPilot 4 points ago +4 / -0

I recall good-ol days of 1000 7.62x54R for $80 ...20 years ago.

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TheTPL 4 points ago +4 / -0

Lol, $1 for 9mm? WTF? I thought a $1 a round for 5.56 was crazy!

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fapoo 4 points ago +4 / -0

Is reloading equipment rare nowadays?

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GrandInquisitor 3 points ago +3 / -0

Apparently a lot of the materials are short in stock, such as primers.

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anon11111111 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's fine though because everybody here planned for the worst years and years ago and has thousands of rounds stockpiled up and does not need to buy any more ammo for a long time right?

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GrandInquisitor 2 points ago +2 / -0

No a lot of us are newer Pedes or lived in a place hard to get a gun (nyc, ca, etc). I moved during covid to a freer place and it took until dmv opened end of spring to get a local license and then be able to buy a gun. Been playing catch up ever since.

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MySidesGoUp 4 points ago +4 / -0

At this point I’ll be stocking up on Quaker state cause efficiency’s!

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ViT4MinT 4 points ago +4 / -0

Havn't been able to train more than a handful of times due to the costs. Sucks

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kb3pxr 4 points ago +4 / -0

Now all we need to do is to start reporting Cheaper Than Dirt for price gouging!

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GrandInquisitor 2 points ago +2 / -0

100%

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Winterds001 3 points ago +3 / -0

60 cents around me.

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faxinator 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wow. Back in the vert kate 1980's my friend had a Taurus 9mm and back then it was 59 cents per round. We just to joke after every shot: "50 cents! 50 cents!"

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Hamadryad 3 points ago +3 / -0 (edited)

Stay away from my 6.5 creedmoor!

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Jonald_Trump 3 points ago +3 / -0

No one paid 13cpr unless it was garbage steel case dogshit.

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Get-schlonged 3 points ago +3 / -0

Bring back the brick of .22 for $10 f my youth. Bullets gave been expensive since Obama

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blackkit27 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just checked some local Ohio shops, 80 cents a round for 9mm and 223 / 556. Kicking myself for not putting the cash together last summer and buying a ton of it when the same place had it on sale.

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FullAutoFlintlock 3 points ago +4 / -1

112k total all caliber

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GrandInquisitor 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wow how long did that take you?

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FullAutoFlintlock 2 points ago +3 / -1

3 years

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d_lock 3 points ago +3 / -0

Imagine paying market prices for premade rounds in hard times. This statement brought to you by the reloading gang.

It's no longer worth it to buy 9mm for me. I can get 10mm for 5cpr more than 9mm, .223 for 2cpr cheaper, or just go buy .308 for 10cpr more (And I can still find 10mm/.308).

Glad I stocked up on powder and bullets, though -- I can make all of the above for what ends up being between 10 and 20cpr, depending on the round.

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FAQ-REDDIT 3 points ago +3 / -0

Cost of ammo is a white construct, your racist.

Cost of gas in California is not a white construct, it is good for mother earth 🌎.

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nomoreprinkles 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's down to about fifty cents per right now