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Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0

I wish I could have both, as both the 1911, and Glocks in general are my favorite handguns. Since I live in the DPRNY, and I can't even legally touch a handgun without going out of state, I'm screwed while I'm stuck here.

What you said about pistols stopping power reminds me of what I heard from a video I saw recently. Apparently, in the military (please correct me if I'm wrong), if you're resorting to your side arm, and you have a rifle, that means you did something wrong.

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SordidPontification 2 points ago +2 / -0

Apparently, in the military (please correct me if I'm wrong), if you're resorting to your side arm, and you have a rifle, that means you did something wrong.

Seems reasonable enough to me.

I've heard a similar analog, which is equally as true: A pistol is something you have so you can fight to your rifle.

There was a rather fantastic break down that I'll have to find written by a fellow who trawled through all manner of police reports and--where possible--coroner (not corona!) reports of fatal and non-fatal shootings. The surprising (to some?) outcome is that most pistol calibers, save for the rather large ones, all have approximately the same outcomes within a few percent of each other.

Rifles are, generally speaking, another beast entirely.

Of course, you have the inevitable comments defending their favorite caliber demeaning the guy who put the work into this research, but I think the evidence was consistent enough that broad conclusions could be made from the data: Pistols, with a few noteworthy exceptions (.44mag), all perform roughly the same and aren't guaranteed kills. Unless you get a lucky headshot in, the stopping power simply isn't there.

Then you have the idiots on the left criticizing police for shooting knife-wielding suspects 20-30+ times. Well, duh. It's well-documented that in the time it takes to draw and fire, someone with a knife can cover ~20 feet and stab you! When faced with a potentially lethal threat, you only stop firing when your magazine is empty.

Not the article I was looking for, but a good read nevertheless. Same for this one by a trauma surgeon.

Oh, here it is! The surprise in this case is that .44 magnum performs roughly the same, but the amount of data simply isn't there to make a firm conclusion.

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Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

Don't know if you're a fan of John Lovell from Warrior Poet Society, but he's said something like that, that the pistol is something you use to fight to your rifle. It is certainly true, as nothing competes with the force multiplier that a skilled rifleman with a good rifle brings to the table.

And, yes, I feel that every cartridge has their fans who'll fight over which one is superior. With these kind of things, especially in pistols, it boils down to personal preference. If you're conceal carrying, what kind of weapons system will you be able to use quickly, and without hesitation? That is the superior handgun to me.

Also, I don't see any links for the articles you mentioned? I'd love to read them, so drop em for me if you can.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +1 / -0

I embedded them in the text. Might be your browser isn't showing the hyperlinks (they're not underlined)[1].

In order, they were:

http://abesguncave.com/pistol-vs-shotgun-vs-rifle-for-home-defense/

https://www.policemag.com/374542/a-trauma-surgeon-talks-about-wound-ballistics-and-stopping-power

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/an-alternate-look-at-handgun-stopping-power

with the last one comprising the research I mentioned, so if you're mostly interested in actual statistics, ignore the first two and look at the one from Active Response Training.

[1] I do feel bad for color blind individuals. Usability on the web isn't great, even now, and it doesn't help that you have these law firms who go out of their way to sue companies out of business who don't follow the ARIA guidelines, many of which are contradictory, even though "best effort" should be acceptable. But alas...

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Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lol, I think I figured it out, I was being a bit retarded. I use a blue light filter, so it makes it harder for hyperlinks to pop out. I leave it running so often, that I forget it's on sometimes.

Either way, thank you!