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JoeIsAHoe 554 points ago +562 / -8 (edited)

I think that the F35 was a giant psyop to lure the Chinese in, and that its a giant pile of shit on purpose, and the Chinese just wasted billions and countless man hours, along with honey pot fake designs, to build a giant flying piece of shit (with radar), meanwhile...the US developed advanced simulators that took testing/manufacture time down 99%, and now we literally have spaceship jets that can enter orbit, travel at unheard of speeds, shoot lasers, deploy drones and make maneuvers that defy the laws of physics. But I'm just some guy who works at McDonalds, so take it with a grain of SALT.

Get fucked China

Edit: wtf a spaceship just flew over my house

Edit2: adding this so the mods at discord can vet me, chemist owns this account

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Politiskep 223 points ago +225 / -2

Oh fuck, stop, I can only get so erect

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half-blacktrump 64 points ago +65 / -1

geeeeez, Kreiger!

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H00sierNative 33 points ago +34 / -1

Yep, yep, yep!

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h4b1t 32 points ago +33 / -1

If you hit the 4 hour mark make sure to call the Doctor. or just do google image search for “liberal xir”

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eb1973 9 points ago +10 / -1

just gonna do that..

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HoppyHap 7 points ago +7 / -0

Call a doctor????? Call all the women you know to come over.

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uncled 10 points ago +11 / -1

Big dick energy kid

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No_More_BS_01 6 points ago +6 / -0

Bro don't be afraid, if it keeps engorging you'll enter double boner territory which is a secret MAGA level of hard. Stronger than vibranium.

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chahn1138 3 points ago +3 / -0

THIS!!!!

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Shakakka99 106 points ago +107 / -1

Jeeze, that's some fucking McDonalds.

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kish-kumen 64 points ago +64 / -0

Mcdonald Douglas?

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catbertz 26 points ago +26 / -0

🍺👽

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kish-kumen 19 points ago +19 / -0

It's the uh... Aerospace fast food company!

Gonna be YUUUGE.

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Aoikaze2000 7 points ago +7 / -0

I KNEW that it was just a front for interstellar collaborations....

ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!

HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

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ArtLife 4 points ago +4 / -0

Please keep your limbs inside the Trump train at all times.

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VelveetaJohnson 11 points ago +11 / -0

Boeing King

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phlashmanusa 5 points ago +5 / -0

E I...E I...Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

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Banick088 36 points ago +36 / -0

BIIIIIGmac

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BACONndEGGS 32 points ago +32 / -0

I like to call em YugeMacs in honor of our great president who enjoys a bug mac or 2.

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-f-b-i- 15 points ago +15 / -0

We want proof of general McDonald

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HonkNJhonk 11 points ago +11 / -0

Fuck off fed-boi. He’s ours.

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JoeIsAHoe 28 points ago +28 / -0

Spit my coffee out (at the McDonalds cash register of course)

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Airscrew 17 points ago +17 / -0

I knew something was off when McDonalds Sprite hits harder than rocket fuel. That stuff is amazing.

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FUCKTHEDNC 4 points ago +4 / -0

Dude, YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

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Modus_Pwninz 75 points ago +77 / -2

can enter orbit, can deploy drones

We have reached Eve Online. Welcome to New Eden.

I doubt it can enter orbit; this would take propulsion tech that would immediately make the stuff Space X has been working on for years (and NASA for decades) completely obsolete.

It would also mean we have truly entered space-age.

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FireannDireach 45 points ago +47 / -2

Entering orbit is the easy part. Getting back down? That's the problem. Heat ablation on a small fighter jet? That kind of stuff gives material sciences engineers the heebie jeebies.

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M16A4 35 points ago +35 / -0 (edited)

Heat ablation technology has been researched since the early 1950s

What makes you think it gives the heebie jeebies instead of hard ons? Engineers love solving problems

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DisbandTheCIA 18 points ago +19 / -1

And engineering/science/tech for the last couple decades or more has been “we have no idea why this is happening but here’s how we can use it.”

They just try shit until they find something that works lol we barely know a damn thing.

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Deathlessly 12 points ago +14 / -2

Same thing with Medicine and research on the Human Brain.

You got people saying that robots will be better than humans. A human. But humans?

I don't care how fast they are at calculating or how much data they can memorize.

Robots and AI run on wealth. People generate wealth. You teach a machine to harvest an energy and materials resource to service itself. And when it runs out, what then?

Humans thinking they've figured out how the brain works so much that they think they can make an artificial human mind. That's like seeding a dead planet thinking it's going to run itself until primates pop up.

I'm not being anti-science. Just think that if we're such hot shit, where's my hover car? Not the loud rocket one. The anti-gravity one.

I think we need to be humble enough to recognize that while we have amazing ideas, we're mostly, intelligently, throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks.

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DisbandTheCIA 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yes you’re exactly right, our knowledge and comprehension is extremely limited but people are so uneducated or lacking personal comprehension that they do not realize at all the limitations of science and humans. They will boldly, self righteously declare that they believe in science and reason while exemplifying neither.

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KekistaniMemeLord 5 points ago +5 / -0

the best part is anyone saying that they believe in science immediately shows with that statement that they understand exactly nothing about science lol

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M16A4 5 points ago +5 / -0

If the release of videos and patents from the US Navy regarding UFO and anti gravity are even remotely legitimate, that hover car is right over the horizon. Basically, the technology exists, but it hasn't been commercialized.

I believe AI won't replace humans, but augment to the degree we can't fathom. Kurzweil isn't at all wrong, it's just a matter of when, not if

Alas, the world still revolves around oil, and until we decouple our lives and dollar that are intrinsically tied to petroleum, we will be sitting on our hands.

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DaesDaemar 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep we're still pretty much clueless, especially those snarky physicists who think they're the Pope of science.

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M16A4 7 points ago +7 / -0

They just try shit until they find something that works

Congratulations lol you discovered the scientific method of hypothesize then experiment.

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DaesDaemar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Experimentation isn't knowledge though. How long were humans dropping things off tall structures before Isaac Newton came around? Very likely since the beginning.

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M16A4 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ill disagree with that notion.

I'd reason that people were still dropping things off tall structures with a purpose. Not for amusement, that indicates a knowledge.

Newton didn't invent or discover gravity, he described it and tested it. Experimenting in the process.

They knew that it would fall to the ground, ot gravity existed, just weren't interested in describing the phenomenon lol

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DisbandTheCIA 4 points ago +4 / -0

Indeed! Need a warning sticker on Science - “Comprehension not guaranteed, results may vary.”

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chahn1138 2 points ago +2 / -0

We are phenomenologists.

We know how to make "things do stuff", but how/why they do it....not so much. :^/

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MedPede 3 points ago +3 / -0

And engineering/science/tech for the last couple decades or more has been “we have no idea why this is happening but here’s how we can use it.” They just try shit until they find something that works lol we barely know a damn thing.

1953 San Diego, California
"WD-37 - Hmm, getting closer, but still not what we want."
"WD-38 - Nope that ain't it."
"WD-39 - Nope, not working quite right."
WD40 - That's it!"

http://sandiegohistory.org/sites/default/files/journal/v60-4/v60-4engstrand.pdf

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howifeelinside 5 points ago +6 / -1

My guess is that our current heat ablation technology doesn't exactly lend itself to improving a next generation fighter jet in terms of maneuverability, aerodynamics, and weight.

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M16A4 6 points ago +6 / -0 (edited)

Don't mind me, but what's your guess based on? Civilian aviation? Even there the advances in temperature resistant composites is mind boggling. Higher temperature handling with a lower weight.

That's not even considering classified military tech, are you privy to R&D that is classified?

https://www.prescouter.com/2019/06/jet-engines-high-temperature-materials/

SiC CMCs that can endure high temperatures of 1,900ᵒC. These are also two-thirds lighter than traditional nickel-based alloys.

the development of CMC applications in the best-selling aircrafts or their variants, owing to intrinsic advantages such as temperature resistance up to 260 °C higher than nickel alloys at just one-third the weight.

jet engine manufacturers are also incorporating CMC parts that can withstand extremely high temperatures in the hot sections. The use of CMC parts enables weight reduction for engines and allows them to run at much higher temperatures, improving performance and efficiency.

This paper reports zero ablation in a rocket engine nozzle at 2730k or 2456c https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264127516309881?via%3Dihub

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howifeelinside 2 points ago +2 / -0

I am not privy, my post was speculative based on looking at space vehicles and known materials.

Thanks for the info.

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Apersonofinterest 23 points ago +23 / -0

This is one of the reasons, along with the high speed maneuvers, extreme f forces, ability to go above and below water, I believe alien tech is here but there’s no aliens on board.

We probably do have some super advanced space planes. Ben Rich, former head of Lockheed Skunkworks, alluded to having advanced spaceships back in the 90’s.

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nakedjay 5 points ago +5 / -0

I witnessed an aircraft that was hovering over a field in July of 2001, just past midnight. It was completely silent while hovering 50 yards above the field. The flight deck was lit up and there was two white males in green flight suits working inside. The ship looked like a cross between a stealth fighter and bomber. It was bigger than a fighter but smaller than a bomber.

After a few minutes they shutoff the lights and the aircraft rapidly ascended vertical, then moved east at a very fast speed.

The aircraft never made a sound. Since then I've assumed that our government has some very advanced technology that has been hidden from us for a while. This craft I saw was almost 20 years ago and we still do not publicly know of an aircraft that can hover and move at high rates of speed silently.

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Scroon 18 points ago +18 / -0

For y'all's info..."entering orbit" is a misused and misunderstood concept.

Technically you can orbit around any gravitational mass at any height above its surface, but the lower to the ground you are, the faster your "horizontal" velocity needs to be. The simple way of thinking about it is you need to go fast enough to drop over "the horizon" before hitting the ground.

In practical terms, this means that you need to be 1) high in altitude because the required veolcity is lower 2) out of the atmosphere so you're not fighting air resistance, and 3) if in near-earth orbit, still going pretty damn fast.

So, getting up out of the atmosphere isn't that difficult. Modern fighter jets can get close. But they can't reach the speeds of rockets which is needed for orbital velocity (to drop over the horizon) nor could a conventional jet engine maintain a height where air resistance is negligible because jet engines still use air for combustion. (Correct me if I'm wrong...there might be some new crazy tech I don't know about.)

Tl;DR - Jets can get around the height where orbit is possible, but they can't go fast enough for a true orbit. You need a rocket engine for that.

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Vtecmyvrtc 11 points ago +11 / -0

Thanks for this. I can make sense of approx 6 movies plots now.

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Scroon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Somebody didn't have their coffee this morning. :)

If you already know this, then great. But I'm a science nerd, had all the basic orbital equations taught to me in high school, but I didn't put two and two together until I heard an explanation phrased in this particular way.

This is useful because space/orbital vehicles and weaponry will be very important in the near future, if not already. The time to start understanding the difference between a fighter jet and an orbit-capable vehicle is now.

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MAGA_conservative 1 point ago +1 / -0

Im thinking sub orbital. Enough altitude that they can easily launch anti satellite missiles and cruise extremely efficiently-with the ability to make extreme high angle attacks without the ability for less aircraft to know they are even there.

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ADAM_SCHITT 10 points ago +11 / -1

Entering orbit is not easy at all unless you have a big ass rocket to launch you there.

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FireannDireach 11 points ago +13 / -2

Only if you're going straight from ground to orbit. A plane can ascend more gradually. See: SR-71. It flew at the fringes of the atmosphere. Go up slow, come down slow. But coming down through the atmosphere from orbit - that's really fucking tricky. See: Space Shuttle Columbia.

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ADAM_SCHITT 15 points ago +16 / -1

The SR-71 still never got close to orbit though. You have to do about 17,000 MPH to reach orbit. The SR-71 went a little over 2000 MPH. Not to mention the fact that its engines can't work in space.

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Silencemennow 7 points ago +7 / -0

The SR, or similar craft, only has to reach an altitude and velocity to deploy a craft that can achieve low orbit as well as a velocity to deploy a purely kenetic weapon that can be guided.

Drone spacecraft can sit and wait while looking like space trash.

There will be no launch detection warning in that case.

Boom goes the dense object.

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KekKafir 2 points ago +2 / -0

🤔 How many kenetic kill vehicles has Elon Musk put into ordit as part of his Starlink constellation?

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FireannDireach 3 points ago +7 / -4

I didn't say it got to orbit. Pick a fight with someone else. I stated it operated at the fringes of the atmosphere, not in orbit, or space. You're arguing with me over things I didn't say.

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ADAM_SCHITT 12 points ago +12 / -0

Yeah but you said getting to orbit was easy and you don't need a big ass rocket if you ascend gradually, where you used the SR-71 as an example. That's not true. Getting to orbit and coming back down are both very difficult for their own reasons.

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ApocolipticPePe 5 points ago +5 / -0

I was fishing in east Texas, saw it heard it

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Friendly_B 2 points ago +2 / -0

How clear was it to see? Did you have any idea what was happening or did it look like a missile?

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rossiFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Conroe or Cross?

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d3plor4ble 3 points ago +3 / -0

Or if you happen to be flying at mach 17, you just point up for a little while.

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NoahGav 2 points ago +3 / -1

You're wrong, with a scramjet a plane could efficiently enter orbit.

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ADAM_SCHITT 2 points ago +2 / -0

Scramjets are air-breathing. There is no air in space.

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NoahGav 2 points ago +2 / -0

You're right. I didn't mean scramjet. I meant a scramjet/rocket engine hybrid like the Sabre engine. It should technically be possible. Also, I didn't mean orbit I meant suborbital trajectory around the earth.

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rossiFan 3 points ago +3 / -0

So I have two independent sources that have told me this tech goes into orbit. One guy was part of the nuke delivery qualifications from orbit. Think: Aurora.

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ADAM_SCHITT 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well I hope you're right but I'm doubtful.

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ronburgandy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just coat it in asbestos, i'm sure it'll be fine lol.

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StarSpangledWanker 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just wanted to point out that the rocket-powered Mach 6.7 X-15 and the A-12/Blackbird series of air-breathing Mach 3.4 aircraft were flown in the 1960s. That means they were in the air around the halfway point of the history of manned, powered, controlled flight. I can tell you definitively that there have been further advances in materials since that time. I am a huge airpower buff, and I am beyond giddy to find out what all this talk is about.

Someone mentioned the F35, and I agree the project was likely compromised early on, perhaps intentionally. We have the best minds and ability right here, so I would be disappointed if we had been sitting on our collective ass for 60 years while China (!) caught up.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wouldn't doubt we have stuff under wraps that's mind blowing, i was just discussing that leaving the earth's atmosphere is a lot easier than re-entry. I didn't make any claims otherwise. That, and punching back through the atmosphere is a different engineering issue, see: Shuttle Columbia, re-entry is tricky as hell.

My point was, IF they have the ability to go from the height the SR-71 cruised at, to space, that's a much smaller leap energy-wise than launching a space platform from the ground. I recall reading about experiments to have high flying jets launching satellites and missiles to space on 70's era jets, so it's not that far flung an idea. A fighter jet flying up and out of the gravity well is a different engineering problem than launching a Titan V with a lunar lander on it.

If they have a plane that can transition from atmospheric jets to space flight, that's frigging amazing, and I want to see it. Some of the links in this threads is beyond cool stuff. And I'm not rushing to "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens."

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StarSpangledWanker 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm with ya man. Just so you know, the Dyna-Soar program of the late 1950s was for aircraft capable of all you mention and more. The program was 'canceled' just before vehicles were built. And that was over sixty years ago.

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Fags 3 points ago +3 / -0

Aerogel.....????

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Banick088 8 points ago +8 / -0

Pretty sure scram jets could do it no problem, hypothetically.

Who knows if we are far enough along with it

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ArticleISection10 4 points ago +4 / -0

this jet must be using SCRAM if they want that speed boost - they were flying scramjet prototypes 15 years ago so its possible they got it now

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Bedminster 4 points ago +4 / -0

Germany had a theoretical prototype scram jet design in the 1920's.

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ADAM_SCHITT 2 points ago +3 / -1

Scram jets can't go into space.

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Banick088 5 points ago +6 / -1

With sealed liquid oxygen tanks they absolutely have enough thrust to break the atmosphere.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can only strap so much to a fighter jet. Unless they can have external tanks filled with O2 from tankers.

That's what I'm really curious about, they have to transition from atmosphere to space. That's a hell of a engineering feat without massive tanks of oxidizer. Unless they made some fuel breakthrough?

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kono_hito_wa 4 points ago +4 / -0

o>

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Modus_Pwninz 5 points ago +5 / -0

o7

I never could learn that game well enough to really play it (lerning curve Is verticle) , and MMOs are too much of a time sink...but that is a pretty cool game.

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Politiskep 6 points ago +6 / -0

Play Elite Dangerous instead!

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Modus_Pwninz 9 points ago +9 / -0

I gave up on games largely...After you have a WoW /played time of a couple years, you realize how much time you waste on them lol.

Now I waste my time with pedes!

Last game I really got into was Warhammer Total War. That shit was pretty fun.

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Avdimar 4 points ago +4 / -0

Love that game.

Edit: Total War Warhammer

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Modus_Pwninz 3 points ago +3 / -0

It's awesome. I like strategy games and I like warhammer lore so it was a great combo.

Dawn of war games are also okay...a WH40k total war with space and all would be pretty cool. I would buy it.

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Dashmoomoo 1 point ago +1 / -0

🤩

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lancerprime 3 points ago +3 / -0

One question Corvette, cutter. conda?

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Meathe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes.

Also enjoying the Krait for the sheer hell of it and the little glass-jawed DBS, just because it's fun to fly.

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lancerprime 2 points ago +2 / -0

Kraits awesome although nothing beats the fun of an unshielded DBS stealth setup

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Politiskep 2 points ago +2 / -0

Type-10. I like'em Thicc

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lancerprime 2 points ago +2 / -0

Noice. Rogue f federal fighters?

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Fffffffff 6 points ago +6 / -0

Elite Dangerous gets Space Legs next year. Yeaaa Boi!

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localhost 3 points ago +3 / -0

Have you tried out Star Citizen?

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Lasernuts 8 points ago +8 / -0

The most expensive vapor ware around?

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localhost 1 point ago +2 / -1

Oh, you're one of those people. SC has had first-person planetside stuff for years now. You should take a look at it again if you haven't checked it out in a while. One of the most beautiful space games I've ever seen and its only getting better.

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kono_hito_wa 4 points ago +4 / -0

I worked my way up to L4 security missions, had T2 industrials, did invention, blah blah (I had 5 accounts that I'd play concurrently). And yeah - huge time suck. Haven't played in ages. I rarely ventured into low sec and was never in any of the major zerg corps.

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Modus_Pwninz 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

People said the real game was in lowsec, so i joined dreddit and flew out. The problem is that lowsec is legit dangerous af, even from an NPC perspective...it is not a good place to learn.

I did missions, which are largely boring but it helped learn some combat tactics. I think i got up to level 2 or 3...I was using cruisers at one point. My favorite ship though was a destroyer and they didnt seem to ve good at might but killing frigates...level 1-2 mission stuff.

I tried industry too but its the same as a lot of games that have been live a long time - making stuff isnt profitable until end game.

Wormhole space gas huffing and hacking made okay money but that shit is also pretty dangerous...reloading dscan constantly isnt fun. Then i ran into drifters and got nuked and was like uhh...

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ArticleISection10 5 points ago +5 / -0

game is dead, developed by SJWs and the people in game who are in power are as bad as the deepstate

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Lasernuts 4 points ago +4 / -0

Kick Test. Kick Widot. Take Super Cap leadership keys from Boat... KarmaFleet is nothing but spies.

Vacationing GSF member here

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kjj9 1 point ago +1 / -0

The real fun was nullsec. Perversely, nullsec was more accessible for people than lowsec too. The great wars needed cannon fodder, so it was never hard to join a nullsec corp, but lowsec corps tended to be smaller and harder to join.

Unfortunately, the bigger the nullsec battles got, the less fun they were. Thousands of people would show up hoping for mothership and titan kills, and everything devolved into lag.

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Modus_Pwninz 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sorry, fucked up my terms; yeah people said nullsec was funtown, but I found it a bad place to learn. Low sec was where i found more valuable minerals and made a bit of starting cash, and then got a stealth gas huffer and exploration ship to make more. The issue there, in null or wormhole, was drifters (which i learned later were on timers) and people in explo-hunter ships that would arrive and btfo or scare you off from canisters. Hacking was not super intuitive but after learning it i made a bit doing that. I think the most i made was from wormhole gas but that was harder to find.

That game has such a crazy learning curve that after having not touched it for a year or so, going back would be like starting all over...how do i shootz lol

Its a very interesting game with a lot of grand ideas just not executed very well imo

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Pedeberrycrunch 4 points ago +4 / -0

Waiting impatiently for Battlestar GEOTUS to be commissioned.

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Modus_Pwninz 5 points ago +5 / -0

Donald "Deathstar" Trump

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WitnessMe 1 point ago +1 / -0

We did get the several vehicles recovered that where not from this world news.

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Persistence 6 points ago +6 / -0

Every new technology that decimates an old one hasnt removed them from existence. Shit people still use animals to pull plows in some places. SpaceX will be fine.

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Modus_Pwninz 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's not that Space X would die, it's that the amazing self-landing rocket they built would be goddamn near useless compared to if we have jets that can go to space and come back, thats all.

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KekKafir 0 points ago +1 / -1

Isn't Virgin Galactic on the cusp of this very idea?

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Modus_Pwninz 1 point ago +1 / -0

Depends on how you define "space". We have had jets for a loooooong time that can fly up into the stratosphere and come back. I think that is technically 'space', and you can certainly see the void at that height.

I'm thinking jets that break the exosphere, enter orbit, or even farther, and come back.

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DrCowboyPresident 1 point ago +1 / -0

I highly doubt it's possible without some absolutely radical new thrust technology. You have to have too much fuel. That's why stages are always used.

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Modus_Pwninz 1 point ago +1 / -0

Aye. That's what I'm sayin'.

We are prisoners of this planet due to tech limitations. If we weren't, I'd already be gone, traveling the vastness of space and reading the Bible lol.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

We're talking about a Ferrari vs a Peterbuilt truck - SpaceX is partially about lifting payloads up the gravity well, this new plane is just taking weapons and electronic systems up. It's like saying a new model Ferrari, or just for the hell of it, a Tesla making Peterbuilts obsolete. It's two completely different missions and requirements.

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levarrishawk 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's amazing what's been silently disclosed and declassified under GEOTUS.

https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Pais&oq=inventor:(Salvatore+Pais)

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sixfingerdildo 1 point ago +1 / -0

i'm not saying we have ufo's, but...

we have ufo's.

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Frick_The_Dems2020 1 point ago +2 / -1

We’re going after the most complicated systems that have ever been built, and checked all the boxes with this digital technology. In fact, [we’ve] not just checked the boxes, [we’ve] demonstrated something that’s truly magical.

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2020/09/15/the-us-air-force-has-built-and-flown-a-mysterious-full-scale-prototype-of-its-future-fighter-jet/

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Modus_Pwninz 1 point ago +1 / -0

I want to believe...

X-Files theme song plays softly...

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xBigCoffinHunter 44 points ago +44 / -0

McDonalds Douglas?

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Gulleyfoyleismyname 12 points ago +12 / -0

Glad I read down for this gem!

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Destineed369 7 points ago +7 / -0

Ha! Have an upvote.

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commiesbtfo 4 points ago +4 / -0

Beat me to this lol

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shall_notbeinfringed 2 points ago +2 / -0

McMoons Ames AFB

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ArticleISection10 35 points ago +35 / -0 (edited)

I'm not asserting this as a expert so please correct me where needed...

the F35 was supposed to be the everything jet and shared with allies - they ended up making variations of it anyway - its not supposed to be the best thing ever - just a upgraded and functional platform to they can retire everything else (A10 forever tho)

The F22 which wasn't shared with allies - was designed to kick everythings ass, even the F35

I don't think Chinas"4-5th" gen knock off hasn't been battle tested.. it might really suck for all I know it just looks like a F35.. I think one of their Russian jets got shot down by Taiwan last week and that I hear was really embarassing because of the tech involved

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Gulfdream 32 points ago +36 / -4

The F35 was designed to do everything well, and it does almost nothing well. The F-22 was designed to absolutely crush all other fighters, and almost nothing else, and it does it's job very very well.

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rand 19 points ago +23 / -4

The F35 is designed to do everything well enough

F22: 340M per aircraft

F35a: 95M per aircraft

You can have 3+ F35 per F22. When 3 F-35 meet a single F-22 there's a good chance the F-22 loses even with air to air fighting being where it excels. When 150 F-35 meet 42 F-22 it's a big deal.

That's the same reason other countries have built similar multirole fighters. Keep in mind a Rafale (another multirole fighter, much older than the F35) took down a F-22 in a recorded test. The F-22 is great - the best actually - but not infallible.

Now put the F-22 at a bombing job vs a F/A 18 or ground support vs a A10 .. yeah no. F35 can do these well enough.

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ArticleISection10 27 points ago +27 / -0

reminds me of the panzer vs the sherman tank quote - something like "German tanks were equivalent to 4 American tanks, but the Americans always had 5"

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callaway86 7 points ago +7 / -0

If you're talking Tiger or Panther yes, and it was closer to 30:1 when you count allies. The Soviet Union alone had 60,000 by the end of the war (22,000 at the beginning), more than all the armies in the world combined. This is when Hitler's tanks really got crushed (Operation Barbarossa). Most of the thanks the US faced were poorly crewed and lacking of both parts of fuel. Still we had some great deigns and even better manufacturing. The Germans made tanks that would last forever. The Americans and Soviets made tanks that would last the war. This proved logistically better in every way.

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PamelaCincinnatus 3 points ago +3 / -0

This guy Chieftains.

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callaway86 1 point ago +1 / -0

David Fletcher for life

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Adhal 1 point ago +1 / -0

And the equivalent of 10 soviet tanks, but the soviets had 20 lol

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rand 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's exactly what I think about as an analogy - however, it wasn't 4v5, but more like 1v50 (yes, really, the Tiger ratio is 50 to 1 during ww2)

The k/d of the germans except for the last year or so is absolutely scary - but the US could just make so many tanks. The consensus on the estimated numbers are 30,000 M4 Shermans versus 600 Tigers and King Tigers and 1500 Panthers.

Of course, these wouldn't be the number for F22 vs F35 and both planes have slightly different use cases - but the logic behind it is similar.

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uiucrower 17 points ago +19 / -2

The F-22 was so expensive in part because Obama prematurely ended production and we got roughly 1/3 of the intended number of jets. Similarly, we only got a small fraction of the B-2 bombers originally intended thanks to RINOs like John Kasich.

As a consequence, the R/D costs per aircraft were much higher than originally planned.

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Thrasymachus 1 point ago +1 / -0

Correct comment that may likely get lost in the autistic maelstrom of F35 Good No F35 Bad that appears to be leaking out of /k/.

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mynewspiritclothes 0 points ago +4 / -4

Dude, the F35 was an utter and complete failure. The only time the F22 "lost" to the F35 was in completely unrealistic, contextual scenarios. F22 is superior in every way.

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Adhal 1 point ago +1 / -0

In air to air, the f-35 was never made to be better than the F-22 in air to air. We wanted the f-22 better because those our for our army and our alone.

G35 was a multi role fighter designed to be a joint venture. It's good, it's damn good, it can fill many more roles than the f-22, but if anyone tried to use them against us we always had f-22 to counter

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Gulfdream 7 points ago +8 / -1

Well yeah it's not a bomber, and definitely not infallible. I was back seat in a T-38 in a 6 on 2 dogfight for training against 2 F-22s. My pilot managed to simulated pick one off near the end of our airtime, but not before we'd been simulated shot down 7 times. He got the only "kill" that day.

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rand 2 points ago +2 / -0

To be honest getting a lock with a T38 is still an achievement :)

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Gulfdream 2 points ago +2 / -0

Definitely true lol. Even with a very experienced IP at the stick against rookie F22 jocks, was a hell of a challenge.

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ThoughtExperiment 1 point ago +2 / -1

The thing is, the US military has enough money that even at a 3 to 1 cost disadvantage, their f22s will still outnumber the other guy's f-35s.

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lo_there 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've talked with pilots that have done 5v1 sorties against the F22 and they didnt even get a visual on it the whole engagement.

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TheFountainhead 3 points ago +3 / -0

all good points. I would add, that a weapons platform must have equally excellent pilots. It could be that the F-22 pilot was just not as cunning as the Rafale pilot. Thats a big deal.

it could also be that the F-22 "lost on purpose" so our enemies might think it's not that dangerous... I can have the best weapon in the world, but if you know it and never engage me in battle, then I can't thump you as readily.

War is almost always about morale and trickery.

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bidenhasthebiggay 13 points ago +13 / -0

This isnt true. At all.

Don't fall for the cringe propaganda about the F-35. It's a great jet. The pilots are having extreme success flying it and enjoy it.

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CannonballJunior 8 points ago +8 / -0

Thank you. Someone who actually has a clue about what's been going on.

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Gulfdream 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm not talking about fringe propaganda, I was a part of a live fire testing team for 6 years lol. They're still great jets, but they've had a very troubled development.

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OnlyAmerica 5 points ago +5 / -0

I get a ranging hard-on whenever I look at the F-22. Such a wonderful piece of tech!

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FREEDOM1st 2 points ago +2 / -0

Same, it's staggering. Things like a damn UFO except it's actually real.

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betweenthelines_mn 2 points ago +2 / -0

just remember all the articles on the F35 are propaganda. We aren't telling any one what this plane can really do...

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Gulfdream 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not propaganda, I was in life fire air to air weapons testing up until a few years ago. The jet has it's gremlins. Still awesome american firepower, but troublesome.

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JoeIsAHoe 12 points ago +12 / -0

Companies like Lockheed and Boeing work with the government to create extremely elaborate honey pots, so the Chinese think they are getting super secret cool designs, and then they build the thing, and it blows up and kills 100 people.

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Lu-Bu 9 points ago +9 / -0

I remember reading something like this that happened in the 80s with some faulty gas pipeline software the Reagan administration fed to KGB spies. Created a massive explosion.

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10FeetHigher 8 points ago +8 / -0

The F-35 is possibly the biggest electronic intelligence collection system ever devised, stealthy and nuclear weapon capable. It’s nothing to sneeze at.

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VelveetaJohnson 2 points ago +2 / -0

JSTARS enters the chat

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Ithrowawaay 9 points ago +9 / -0

Turns out it’s pretty difficult to reverse engineer something as complex as a tactical fighter.

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MAGA_conservative 2 points ago +2 / -0

We have designed all gen 5 aircraft with the assumption that even if someone was to reverse engineer them, they would need decades of time to gain enough experience to actually benefit from the tech.

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Seanp12 8 points ago +9 / -1

China can build nothing if it can't be made with cheap plastic and stolen computer tech.

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FREEDOM1st 1 point ago +1 / -0

barry o

dicked

You can say that again.

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GAGASays 6 points ago +7 / -1

The problem with both the F-22 and F-35 is that they fell victim to the Post-Cold War weapons program acquisition boondoggle that has plagued the DoD.

In the Cold War we had many irons in the fire. If one plane was a failure, there were others that could be ordered instead. Some programs were dead ends. Some programs had legs - long legs.

F-22 came from the Advanced Tactical Fighter concepts. A next generation air superiority fighter. It was supposed to be purchased in high numbers and produced for years and years. It was also supposed to be fielded a lot sooner.

What happened? The budget was stretched (take longer, spend less money, delay purchasing) and the orders were shrunk and shrunk. All of a sudden it's the most expensive fighter ever because we bought a small fraction of what we were supposed to. These fighters would have been flying in numbers in by 2000 had the Bush and Clinton administrations not slowed things down.

The F-35 was birthed a lot earlier than 2000. Way, way earlier.

The tooling for the F-14 was destroyed and the SuperTomcat and Tomcat21 programs were ended by Dick Cheney, Sec of Defense under Bush 1. Had these new build versions of the F-14 continued we wouldn't even be TALKING about a F-35 today. The F-14 evolution of fighters could go farther, faster, and carry more to the fight.

The A-12 was cancelled (it was a pipe dream anyway), which was supposed to replace the A-6. Eventually the A-6 was retired without a real replacement, but the F-14D did very nicely in a strike configuration.

The F-18 morphed into the F/A-18 as a stop gap.

The F-16 replacement was cancelled. The F-16 is the "low end" plane we keep around to compliment the "high end" plane of the F-15.

The F/A-117 replacement (stealthy deep strike) didn't happen.

The Navy's version of the Advanced Tactical Fighter was cancelled - which could have been like the F-14 or an evolution of the design.

Instead of replacing several kinds of aircraft, it becomes a political dream to 'replace' multiple kinds of platforms with "one" plane and get NATO and other allies on board. This looks good in PowerPoint and presents well to Congress. Remember this.

HOWEVER - building a basic design to form the basis for a low-cost air superiority craft, an all-weather Navy strike craft, a VSTOL fighter for the marines and Europe, and somehow a platform to replace the A-10, would prove to be difficult. There were parts commonality targets set and then re-set. One redesign could set a cascade of redesigns throughout all 3 versions.

AND to top it all off, AGAIN, they stretched the timeline out and they ordered less planes than they were going to. The F-35 is the "low" to the F-22's "high", but it is multirole and doesn't do anything particularly excellent compared to a single mission plane would have. The jointness came with a lot of compromises and a lot of delays. They now have 3 fighters with a lot of external similarity but with...what cost savings to show for?

Sure, the finished plane is good. But we could have had a lot more to show for had it not been a boondoggle cluster fuck.

The Navy has repeated this with the LCS and the DDG-1000 situation.

Get these damn generals and admirals BANNED from working for defense contractors.

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ArticleISection10 4 points ago +4 / -0

awesome - we need a talkaboutfighterjetsallday.win

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GAGASays 3 points ago +3 / -0

HIGHLY recommend.

Background reading for all: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/mrf.htm https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/a-x.htm

Look on the 'Further Reading' rabbit trails. .

Concept art and PowerPoints got us into this mess. Transformational. Skip a generation. FUBAR.

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FREEDOM1st 1 point ago +1 / -0

I really enjoyed reading this breakdown and I'm gonna check out the links you also posted.

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Trudict 2 points ago +2 / -0

Comparing the F22 to the F35 is like comparing an F-16 to the A-10.

The F22 and F-16 are absolutely the superior air-air fighters. They however, are not what you would want to use for ground support.

Where the F-35 even further excels though, is that it's still not half bad at the other roles

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Adhal 22 points ago +23 / -1

the f35 isnt a pile of shit though, it had a rough production run but now that the kinks have been worked out there really isnt anything that tops it overall, certainly nothing our future possible opponents have.

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JoeIsAHoe 18 points ago +23 / -5

Nice try F35 engineer

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WitnessMe 6 points ago +7 / -1

KEK

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Adhal 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wish....

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SR-71A_Blackbird -2 points ago +1 / -3

It's way better than the F-22. Even at that it's just adequate. The VTOL version is kinda cool.

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Chick-fill-eh 0 points ago +1 / -1 (edited)

Vtol is dead weight in all scenarios the aircraft is actually performing it's duties. It's only propose is to help get it there from less than ideal airstrips.

Vtol is what you use when your tiny aircraft carrier isn't capable of launching planes, thus making it great for export.

Certainly looks cool though.

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King 16 points ago +17 / -1

someone out there has anti gravity tech already...not sure if US Govt or breakaway civilization

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sir_rockness 46 points ago +46 / -0

I heard Wakanda, they is kangz and shiett

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Gulleyfoyleismyname 8 points ago +8 / -0

🤣🤣🤣

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AllYouHaveIsYourself 6 points ago +6 / -0

C'mon man, free Wakanda dindu nuffin

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rossiFan 5 points ago +5 / -0

Dundu Nuffin is a small suburb of Wakanda. Do you even black?

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mty_green_go 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dindu is actually a large multi regional area with many subregions.

Nuffin

Din evendu

Tryna college

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westrock2000 1 point ago +1 / -0

That city has a problem with dogs attacking people in all hours of the day.

But I’ve watched a lot of videos of the attacks and I’ve learned the secret phrase they respond to:

“Who’s a good booooooy”

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Seanp12 3 points ago +4 / -1

Ruthkanda 5eva

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wilstjb 8 points ago +8 / -0

Kekistan has it.

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rossiFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's the US. Since early 90s.

Just waiting for the knock on the door by MIB...

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King 2 points ago +2 / -0

they are probably in the dark on it too....

space force is a done deal, just waiting for the reveal (hopefully not with a super scaaaaaaaaawy nwo hoax with it)

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Thracka951 12 points ago +12 / -0

Any insight on when we’ll see a return of the McRib?

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JoeIsAHoe 19 points ago +19 / -0

I don't have a high enough security clearance in McDonalds to be privy to that information, I'm waiting for a Q post just like you.

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Thracka951 7 points ago +7 / -0

Ha! Best answer, Totally exceeded expectations!

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betweenthelines_mn 3 points ago +3 / -0

check the pork belly future market.. when it gets low enough McDonald's starts up McRib production.

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AFuckingWhiteMale 11 points ago +11 / -0

Space Force is about to get its first fleet.

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MEGApede 10 points ago +10 / -0 (edited)

The way I see F35 is as a part of a missile ship of the sky. Positioned in the front but almost defensively and not with the intention of actively engaging it's supposed to create home advantage over the hostile territory. Everything from B-1B to latest versions of F16 and F15 and navy's F/A-18 to everything ship based than takes full advantage of the lifted fog of war over the enemy territory. And if something nasty gets through F-22 is there to take care of it. At the same time F35 is all you need to engage lesser enemies and you can still bring good old A-10 when engaging over a highly permissible enemy territory.

Mind you there is a pretty good chance Israelis have already proven a squadron of F35s can fly over very hostile enemy territory and complete what was basically a mock mission.

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20KAG20 10 points ago +11 / -1

I like the way you think

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patslimmy1 8 points ago +8 / -0

I like this

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TRUMP420KUSH 8 points ago +9 / -1

The F35 project was always an interesting one, especially how it was always mentioned in the news. The idea that it was a honeypot makes a lot of sense, there have been multiple people arrested in relation to that project too if I’m not mistaken.

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SoldierofKek 8 points ago +8 / -0

That reminds me of that episode of the Americans where they stole those plans for the sub propulsion and then the soviets tried to build the sub and it killed a shitload of soviet sailors.

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PropagandaWizard1984 8 points ago +8 / -0

make maneuvers that defy the laws of physics.

No one defies the laws of physics.

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JoeIsAHoe 10 points ago +11 / -1

Yet every couple hundred years, the laws of physics have to be rewritten, because some asshole comes up with relativity or black holes or some bullshit.

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OrenthalJamesObama 18 points ago +18 / -0

I’m still waiting for someone to explain why we aren’t all in orbit around Stacy Abrams.

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QUADBRIX 4 points ago +4 / -0

Does Kamala haver her mouth open?

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ArticleISection10 4 points ago +4 / -0

it's due to the negative energy forces being creating by those big two teeth and her non stop panting for being so out of shape

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TrumpTrainJune152015 2 points ago +2 / -0

See two comments above. We only recently discovered that massive gas giant.

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PropagandaWizard1984 3 points ago +5 / -2

So Newton's laws of thermodynamics no longer work? It's not that the laws of physics are rewritten, they are just added to and expanded. Newton didn't know about space and time so no laws were made for such things in his era. As we discover new places and new realms we must find new laws of physics that explain and codify these realms. Almost always these new laws must incorporate the old laws to make sense.

One does not defy the laws of physics, this is impossible. Often new theories in physics are checked against past laws to see if they are even possible. Other times new technology circumvents such laws without breaking them.

Take for instance the Alcubieree drive. A space craft engine that can travel at faster than the speed of light, AKA a warp drive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive https://phys.org/news/2017-01-alcubierre-warp.html

The laws of physics clearly state no object can travel faster than the speed of light, the intergalactic speed limit. But the Alcubieree drive uses clever physics to circumvent this rule without breaking it. It makes a warp bubble that encapsulates the ship in a separate section of spacetime. Through some advanced science stuff, read above links, it is able to pull/push the spacetime bubble at faster than the speed of light. However the ship itself, inside the bubble, doesn't break the speed limit.

So you see fren even when it looks like you have broken a law of physics you have not. If you broke it then it would never have been a law in the first place. Often scientists make amazing breakthroughs by following the laws of physics and working backwards to find a loop hole in the law if you will.

I hope this helped shed some light on the interesting and diverse world of physics for you.

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niceguymcfriendly 2 points ago +2 / -0

BABABOOOEY BABABOOEY

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OrenthalJamesObama 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think they should have just inserted “seemingly” before “defy”. Still, appreciate the knowledge, especially about the warp bubble drive. That is exciting news to me.

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PropagandaWizard1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't shit your pants pede but.....NASA is actually putting their big brains to work on this very space drive in hopes of making something big happen.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32449240/nasa-warp-drive-space-time/

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VelveetaJohnson 1 point ago +1 / -0

It ain’t like dusting crops, kid.

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lanre 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think it's better to think of these things as approximations. Newton's laws of motion were pretty good approximations for how most observable phenomenon on Earth behaved. However, they break down under certain situations, and to account for those situations, we developed special relativity.

You can see the same behavior with mathematical approximations of electrical circuits. At lower frequencies you can make simplifications and still get accurate answers, whereas at higher frequencies and smaller scales those approximate formulas will give you inaccurate results.

We certainly see a pattern of things defying the known laws of physics, which causes those laws to be rewritten to account for new discoveries and observations.

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PropagandaWizard1984 0 points ago +1 / -1

I am arguing semantics I know, forgive me. But the laws are not rewritten. They are added to. Newtons laws still apply to what they were meant to apply to. Just because Einstein came up with relativity doesn't negate Newtons laws of motion. Relativity simply describes a system that was unknown to Newton thus impossible to incorporate in his work.

Now you seem stuck on relativity and ignore the low hanging fruit, quantum physics. Einstein himself refused to believe in the theory and all the crazy randomness of particles. But decades after his death we have even more proof quantum physics is correct not less. Are Einstein's laws of relativity now void? Of course not. In fact many of his theories were still being proven out decades after his death.

Yes one day there will come a time when science discovers enough and formulates enough that a break through will occur. This break through will seem to "defy the laws of physics". But to do so would destroy the rules our entire world is built upon and is logically impossible. The laws of physics are not broken or rewritten as much as they are added to. Einstein would have no relativity if it were not for Newton, Hawking would not be able to speak on black holes if not for Einstein, and some future physicist will need to stand on all their bodies of work to make their discoveries. This is the very nature of science and most importantly physics.

Not a single one of Newton's laws of motion have been repealed. They all still work in the context from which they were formed. Of course they might act differently and preform differently in environments they were never intended to operate. That would be like expecting a helicopter made to fly on Earth to work perfectly on Venus. It's silly.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Azimov's third law. It's perception and perspective.

If this new fighter jet pops out zipping around like the tic-tac video, then we're looking at tech that might as well be magic to us, because we can't explain it. Much like a lot, if not most of our current tech would be literal magic to Isaac.

(I'm not against the new jets behaving like the tic-tacs, but most likely it will be behavior that known science can explain - if it's not classified.)

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PropagandaWizard1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

Physics is real life magic or as close as we humans will ever get.

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Cstriker01 4 points ago +4 / -0

Big peepee energy

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the_mcgee 0 points ago +2 / -2

F35 was such trash, I think they decided to take that bush/obama error failure and use it as a psyop. Time for some SC/RAM jet goodness in the force.

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LostViking1985 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm loving it

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Justherefortherally 4 points ago +4 / -0

I just had a simulator fly over mine

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kec39d 5 points ago +6 / -1

F35 and F-22 Raptor are sort of outdated already. They were made before we knew artificial intelligence is feasible. autonomous fighter jets are going to be the future. Right now they are trying to marry the two ( Piloted fighter jets and autonomous fighter jets as drones to protect the pilot.)

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JoeIsAHoe 15 points ago +16 / -1

Yup:

  • Can't use AI as a prisoner if it crashes, hell it might even give HQ intelligence on capture
  • Can perform maneuvers at G forces that would kill a human
  • Can engage 1000 enemies at once
  • If pilot dies, you lose millions in resources spent to teach/train them, AI is copy and paste
  • Has IQ of 10 geniuses but warrior mentality of Kamikaze pilots

In the latest simulations, AI are slaughtering human pilots. Lots of things to consider though, hacking, rogue jets etc I guess

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OnlyAmerica 10 points ago +10 / -0

AI can do all the jobs that require extreme precision but their biggest weakness is that they can't abstract. And we humans are the pinnacle of abstraction through 13 billion years of evolution (from nuclear to biological and psychological evolution).

And Chy-Na was so proud of their bugmen's ability to memorize. Yeah we use SSD to store information so we don't have to remember, because it's cheaper.

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joker 1 point ago +1 / -0

And we humans are the pinnacle of abstraction through 13 billion years of evolution (from nuclear to biological and psychological evolution).

Could you expand on that? Or point me to a website...?

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JoeIsAHoe 0 points ago +1 / -1

I'm glad we have President Trump to invest billions in AI instead of people like you. You got absolutely murdered in that argument and had to censor people to get past it. Boo hoo

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JoeIsAHoe 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol you're talking about machine learning not AI, that's been around since the 1970s....keep trying, you're way out of your league.

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Trudict 1 point ago +1 / -0

What he said wasn't really wrong.

AI can't really learn "spontaneously". Alpha Go Zero was taught the game of Go, and then from there it learned.

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FREEDOM1st 2 points ago +2 / -0

But can it cook the fries better?

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rossiFan 2 points ago +3 / -1

Yes. It's my contention that the last US fighter pilot has already been born.

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bidenhasthebiggay 5 points ago +8 / -3

this is a big cope from people who are jealous of fighter pilots.

I usually see this coming from software engineer incels and other retards who know nothing about fighter combat and human anatomy. Be better

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rossiFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well, let's see... grew up on an AF base(s), dad was a fighter pilot (F-4, F-104), around the fighter pilot community all my life, went into the Army for 8 years as a crew chief. So, certainly not "jealous" of anything. Combat roles will be largely unmanned.

For example - the helicopter I worked on in the Army isn't even in the inventory any more. WHY? - The OH-58 was replaced by UAV's and drone swarms. BUT BUT human eyessssss... bullshit. Be better.

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bidenhasthebiggay 2 points ago +3 / -1

UAVs make sense for recon, dont compare that to actual combat lol.

the only future drones have is to act as missile platforms for 5th/6th gen fighters. No AI can make up for G-limits on airframes.

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bidenhasthebiggay 1 point ago +2 / -1

yeah ok incel, whatever you say.

"muh deep learning".

keep tossing out those shitty buzzwords

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bidenhasthebiggay 2 points ago +3 / -1

Ok Californian/Yankee faggot.

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glasses2020 1 point ago +2 / -1

F35 was literally designed to be the last manned coalition fighter. We new that AI/Drones would be the pilots of the future when we started designing it.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem is, we're not even in baby steps levels of AI. I actually follow the bleeding edge guys researching it, they have no clue what shape it would take, how we would get there, none of it. Feasible? Sure. In our lifetimes? No. In our great grandkid's lifetime? No clue.

Now, drone fighters. It's already a thing.

AI? VERY skeptical. Working AI, actual working AI, in our era? You'd have to reveal aliens with it.

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RexKingofScots 2 points ago +2 / -0

Bob Lazar gravity vehicles

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ArdentGrasshopper 1 point ago +1 / -0

and the Chinese just wasted billions and countless man hours

Ok, yeah, it's a rally and all that but seriously, that F-something thing has a currently estimated of cost over a 1.5 trillion (that's with a T)...

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tdwinner2020 2 points ago +3 / -1

I hope so, but I don't buy it. The F-35 is a giant taxpayer dollar sucking machine.

Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and other companies all used to be awesome, but now they're just dedicated to sucking at the government teat.

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CaptainChrisPBacon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank You Area 51 Aleins. We appreciate all the advance Tech!

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knightpatriot 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is some gold-bullion tier, copypasta-grade excellence. I hope they promote you to lead fry cook soon. 🍟🇺🇸

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gaijin_ronin 1 point ago +1 / -0

ODST

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rand 4 points ago +4 / -0

Nope. The F35 is a fine plane. What the F35 is not is a F22. The F35 was made for export, cheaper, multirole. It's made for economical reasons. The failure there is in the cost overruns, but not the plane itself. There are many like it and the F35 is probably the best (Rafale, Eurofighter, Gripen, etc)

The F22 and many other planes are not-for-export and made for military technological supremacy. Half the reason the development is secret is so that they don't get blocked by random politics.

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JoeIsAHoe 5 points ago +6 / -1

It might be a good jet, but it doesn't explain why we suddenly announce a 6th generation at the same time "the kinks" are worked out of the F35.

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rand 1 point ago +1 / -0

Having a 6th gen aircraft doesn't mean the 5th gen is suddenly useless. The US still uses 4th gen aircrafts today!

The F35 would only be useless if it's replaced by a 6th multirole aircraft that performs the exact same function. But, we don't know that yet, and it will probably take many years for that new aircraft to be operational (the F35 is operational right now).

It doesn't mean the F35 program was well managed - but it also doesn't make the F35 a bad aircraft. Many nations would only dream to have them (and some do have them)

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tholins 4 points ago +4 / -0

IDK, I don’t think we’re that smart. More likely, the Air Force has a plan for a different jet contract sitting in a drawer, Trump approved it, and got the thing moving in record time.

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djmarcone 2 points ago +2 / -0

yeah, if you see it in a movie or on TV it's old news. Cars are in development and testing for years, Jets undoubtedly much longer. Not to mention the secret stuff.

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TrumpTrainJune152015 1 point ago +1 / -0

How did a spaceship fly over?

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JoeIsAHoe 2 points ago +2 / -0

At 120,000ft

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mynewspiritclothes 1 point ago +3 / -2

No, the F35 was Obama being a fucking moron and they reaped what they sowed. Dead stop. It is a brilliant example of the incompetence of the left.

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SwanS0ng 1 point ago +2 / -1

I've been saying the same thing for years

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Enoch_Bowell 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well if that were true that's pretty shitty behaviour, since the US sold them to supposed ally the Royal Navy.

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NavyGuy 2 points ago +2 / -0

You sound like you work at McDonalds alright... McDonnell Douglas! Also, I agree with you.

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rossiFan 1 point ago +2 / -1

Not gonna lie, dude, but I got the heeby jeebies because I know this has actually been true since the 90's.

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JoeIsAHoe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Boo

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rossiFan 1 point ago +1 / -0

The spirit of Halloweeen!

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JoeIsAHoe 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am become spooky pilled, destroyer of soy.

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d3plor4ble 4 points ago +4 / -0

I worked on hypersonic jet simulations for NASA, that helped make hypersonic flight a reality. You're welcome, my friend :)

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JoeIsAHoe 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wow cool bro, wanna get some beers and share state secrets around Russian speaking women?

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d3plor4ble 1 point ago +1 / -0

lol, yeah you want to know the latest in surface-layer adaptive meshing theory?

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banumerchantmarine 6 points ago +6 / -0

You're kinda retarded if you think:

A: The Chinese have anything useful on the F35.

B: The F35 is a piece of shit.

The basic airframe CAD is useless on its own and can be derived from photos anyway.

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TheFountainhead 3 points ago +3 / -0

reminds me off the story where the US intentionally let USSR operatives steal the designs of some new sub tech, but it was designed to fail. This led to some sub disasters for the russians allowing the US to "offer help" in recovery in an effort to get close to their tech...

now whether that is true or just a story i was told by an old vet because he likes to talk.

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banumerchantmarine 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds like Tom Clancy, lol.

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westrock2000 3 points ago +3 / -0

Art imitates real life. Just heard about this event recently. CIA built a special freight ship where the bottom of the hull opened up and a crane dropped down and pulled a sunken Russian sub INTO the hull of the ship.

That way anyone watching them just assumed the ship was there to do basic samples and sensors....not take the whole damn sub!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

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FREEDOM1st 1 point ago +1 / -0

Damn that's an incredible story.

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fingerofkek 2 points ago +2 / -0

It’s possible. We made Russia spend all their money during the Reagan years.

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TheFountainhead 5 points ago +5 / -0

welp, you have me sold. why sell your top fighter to the rest of the world unless you got something that makes it look childish... even if it is just to nato... look at the F-14. great plane. but old. we sold those off once we knew we could blow it out of the sky. If anything, the F-35 program was placeholder while the ideal program was being fine tuned....

plus that sweet f-22 raptor is just too nice to not have built off that tech.... fuck the price, it only takes 1 or 2 to tip the scales.

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AirplaneDriver 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can confirm

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hillaryforprison 1 point ago +2 / -1

Wow that sounds awesome- I hope that's all true. China can suck my greasy fries.

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shall_notbeinfringed 1 point ago +1 / -0

You worked at McMoon's at Ames AFB didn't ya?

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CorrectTheReeeecord 2 points ago +2 / -0

except that the psyop also cost Americans billions of dollars and man-hours too. If this was one big honey pot - it was expensive.

As long as there is no leaks (politicians selling blueprints and TS info through insecure servers that isn't connected through DoD), then only time will tell if the theory is true.

I do believe that "emails" for Hillary was being pushed so hard, because they don't want people to think about the fact that more than emails can be stored on a server and it was most likely a lot more information there than we are told.

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Jk475gjxjL 1 point ago +1 / -0

If it was a psyop, it was one hell of an expensive one.

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Intensity 3 points ago +3 / -0

I work in the industry the f35 is indeed a huge flying turd but has impressive tech inside. Lots of innovation in the manufacturing side though. The next gen prototype that flew is probably using very old propulsion and a barely there ECS. Basically a flying shell. I'm excited for it to be used as the platform for more rapid fighter programs. Planes will use the baseline shell and different versions will be pumped out every 5 years.

And also..

Get fucked China

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Datamancer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Would not be the first time. IIRC the USAF planned a bomber - which was never going to go beyond planning - to drive the Soviets to field - that is design, build, test, deploy - an interceptor that was otherwise useless.

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Space_Force 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fighter planes that go into space and shoot lasers. I like this very much!

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PhilosoGuido 3 points ago +3 / -0

As a military flight instructor, the F-35 hate is literally leftist anti-military propaganda. It's by far the most effective and most advanced fighter in the world bar none. I was in some training recently with one of the chief test pilots who was debunking many of the fake news stories such as the getting beat in a turning fight by an F-16.

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JoeIsAHoe 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

Yeah I mean I just work at McDonalds, but can you maybe speak to why they would suddenly announce a 6th generation fighter right when the F35 "had the kinks worked out". I can't really believe its liberal propaganda, I've seen a lot more than MSNBC or CNN complain about it, could be wrong. Oh shit....maybe the leftist media got all their facts from the Chinese version of the F35 TOP KEK

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PhilosoGuido 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

No shame in whatever job you have, but if you really want an honest answer from an expert I'll try and provide it. These programs take decades to work out. The F-22 which became operational in 2005 started out as the Advanced Tactical Fighter program in 1981 almost 25 years earlier and just a few short years from when the F-15, F-16, and F-14 came on line. You could make the same observations. If the F-15 is all that why is the USAF already looking at the next generation? You can't wait until the current generation is obsolete to start working on the next generation. The Russians and Chinese are already working on aircraft such as the Su-57, J-20 and J-31 to challenge the F-22 and F-35. Furthermore, one of the apparent goals of the NGAD program is to shorten this development timeline so that it's not a quarter century from program initiation to an operational weapons system. Nevertheless, I guarantee the NGAD "demonstrator" is far from an operational product or even what would be considered a prototype.

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MidwestNorsk 2 points ago +2 / -0

🛸🛸Shit. You better be calling in to Coast To Coast tonight! If Sasquatch was flying your UFO you will make it past the screeners.👽🛸

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FUCKTHEDNC 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is the way... it do be like that.

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OGcentipede 1 point ago +1 / -0

That Area 51 tech my man

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Kaiheitai 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't think the F-35 was 4D chess - it was a huge government production boondoggle. The 'super fast' production jet is how shit should work.

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Mememan 2 points ago +2 / -0

America has done this before, they did it to the japs in ww2. Jap spies learned about battleships being build, so they 1 upped america and build a huge battleship and a full fleet of them. Then America went...ooops battleships arnt effective, turn those hulls into aircraft carriers...

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fadingecho 1 point ago +1 / -0

and that it's a giant pile of shit on purpose

or it was always a giant pile of shit and Trump put the brakes on it. I like to think that scenario.

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Sirbigusdickus 2 points ago +2 / -0

McDonalds’s Douglas is a great company.

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F_Libtards_Muzzys 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sporting freedom boner in 3, 2, 1...

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jimonalimb 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe this is Operation Warp Speed, to deliver much needed vaccines to Chyna hypersonically.

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lukeskywalker 1 point ago +1 / -0

i actually know about this stuff. not too far off. add laser weapons. the drones are launched elsewhere

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Ilikefries 1 point ago +1 / -0

F35 is not a piece of shit

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MAGA_conservative 1 point ago +1 / -0

F-35 is way better than its detractors will admit.

The F-22, F-35, and B-21 will be our last gen 5's.

We have likely already designed and built several gen 6's, and are into work on Gen 7.

Sales of the F-35 will be to our allies, and they will still be world beaters except to our gen 6/7 aircraft.

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JoeIsAHoe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Canada will be so happy, big brother's hand me downs!

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Ifeargovtmorethan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Mc Donald Douglas

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JoeIsAHoe 1 point ago +1 / -0

Would you like next generation air superiority with that, sir?

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TheManBehindTheBeard 1 point ago +1 / -0

F-35 is second to none. You have beloved propaganda from the Chinese and Russians so you lose faith in the program. Did you know the plain can track a ballistic warhead from 800miles!

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SeaCarrot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Wish you didn’t sell the piece of shit to us Aussies then!

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TheHonestLion 1 point ago +1 / -0

I always thought it strange people had a hardon for the 35. The 22 is far better, just lacks VTOL.

But nothing will ever beat my true love. The Titanium Bathtub of Brrrrrrrt.

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BeerJudge 119 points ago +123 / -4

3...2....1, aaaand the blueprints were already leaked to the Chinese

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Bax101 82 points ago +83 / -1

It was built to counter the already sold secrets of fighter jets.

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OnlyAmerica 12 points ago +12 / -0

He didn't make $400k, he only made $1.400B

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Hi_Im_Dave 5 points ago +5 / -0

Checks out in Biden math. 1.4B is way smaller than 400K.

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Gurren_Laggan 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well duh, B comes before M fats.

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Mike0xquitelong 28 points ago +28 / -0

Whoa whoa whoa why bring Dianne Feinstein into this?

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Shitmoths 7 points ago +7 / -0

Thank you for this reminder. My wife moved here a year and a half ago from the Philippines. I get to share this story with her now.

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Exgovtemployee 12 points ago +13 / -1

It's called diversity hiring you bigot!

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SkyEater2 [S] 94 points ago +94 / -0

Popular Mechanics also had an article entitled, “ The Air Force Secretly Designed, Built, and Flew a Brand-New Fighter Jet,” but it was unlinkable for me. (Because of Chrome? Idk. Found this linkable one instead.)

Apparently this thing was designed and tested within a year, during Trump’s first term. I guess 750 billion will get you some giddy-up from the contractors.

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daniel1116 38 points ago +38 / -0

For that much money I'll build you a fighter jet in record time too! ...

Does it need to work?

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pmurTJdlanoD 36 points ago +36 / -0

Under any other administration- no.

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meme_cannon_operator 15 points ago +15 / -0

Got daaaamn!

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RegularAmerican 3 points ago +3 / -0

"Si fly". Lol the Mexican Nasa on South Park.

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Bruder 17 points ago +17 / -0

Article said the Air Force only had a billion?

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Colonel_Urinal 8 points ago +8 / -0

Must be called the F-1 /s

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DocOne 11 points ago +11 / -0

Yeah it said a billion and will go up to 6 billion between 2021 and 2024. Far cry from 750

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DisgustedByMisleadia 12 points ago +12 / -0

The NGAD (Next Generation Air Dominance) program got nearly $1B in funding in FY20. But, this has been an ongoing project.

Boeing, Lockheed, and Northrup Grumman have been working on sixth-generation fighter designs since as early as 2011, although they were self-funded at the start.

But whoever actually designed and built this one, the big difference from previous iterations is that the airplane was designed, built, and "flown" virtually before building a physical prototype.

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Getfuckedcommietrash 4 points ago +4 / -0

They most likely wont be manned aircrafts. Will likely be ai controlled drones as they also enlisted kratos and leidos for this program.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 3 points ago +3 / -0

From what little information I've been able to find on NGAD, it will be a combination of both, but not necessarily the same aircraft.

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Getfuckedcommietrash 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah it will be a combination of manned aircrafts and unmanned. Hers a decent article about another government contract called skyborg which is a combination of f35's and drones.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4373941-skyborg-future-of-ai-war-and-company-in-middle-of

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Warren_Puffitt 3 points ago +3 / -0

most likely won't be manned aircraft

Worked for LM (but different LOB) for almost 20 years. Got all the internal news every week from across most of the sites that talk about their products. One of LM-Aero's bragging points while the F-35 was coming along was that they were most likely building their last big ticket manned fighter.

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RickySpanish 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well if a god killer flew a jet, it would probably be this thing.

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usa_foot_print 2 points ago +2 / -0

Guessing Boeing. They posted on LinkedIn a few days ago about designing and testing things virtually now.

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SkyEater2 [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Dragon Energy. What else?

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Gulleyfoyleismyname 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ahead of time and under budget!

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Truthdose 6 points ago +7 / -1
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crash7863 2 points ago +2 / -0

You can't design something like an advanced jet in the span of a year. It would have to already be designed, just not approved.

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DaesDaemar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Perhaps the key components were already made and used elsewhere, it's just a mashup of existing tech in an interesting new configuration. If you have highly accurate simulations that cut the iteration and testing time, that could speed things up greatly. Coupled with 3d printed metals and such.

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MAGA_conservative 2 points ago +2 / -0

The takeaway is the leap here is in the rapidity of design and implementation.

The F-35 and F-22 are based on 90's designs that took decades to get up and running.

This system was designed in months, and the idea is that instead of waiting decades for a "next gen" that smaller, more incremental improvements can be implemented much faster.

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TheStoneOfSisyphus 80 points ago +82 / -2

Created using back-engineered UFO's and using Bob Lazar's old research.

A man can dream, can't he ?

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TRUMP420KUSH 44 points ago +44 / -0

Trump mentioned we have things that he can’t even believe are real. He didn’t create the Space Force because we are just getting started, they created it because stuff is going to finally start being revealed.

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Maga_Gator 25 points ago +25 / -0

Xwings confirmed, Red 5 standing by

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Kobecopter 20 points ago +20 / -0

Trump = Gold Leader. It all makes sense.

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ObjectiveReality 2 points ago +2 / -0

We took care of the Dilgar. We can take care of the Minbari.

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Maga_Gator 1 point ago +1 / -0

God im a nerd for getting this reference

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jackssmirkingrevenge 32 points ago +33 / -1

The best is yet to come.

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joker 2 points ago +3 / -1

The best is jet to come.

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Kobecopter 20 points ago +22 / -2

I’ve seen the lights with my own eyes. You make 2 conclusions from seeing something like that: 1.) We have tech nobody has seen before or 2.) We are not alone.

Considering people have been seeing them throughout time, I lean towards # 2.

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Destineed369 16 points ago +18 / -2

Why does the cia sell drugs? To create unlimited funding streams to build Enormous black flyIng triangles.

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Kobecopter 12 points ago +12 / -0

So we can fly the drugs to aliens. It’s genius really.

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travisestes 9 points ago +9 / -0

I read some funny sci-fi book back in the day about a guy who sells aliens maple syrup because it gets them high as ballz and he he makes trillions which he uses to build space mirrors (to melt stuff). Was a fun book

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Kobecopter 9 points ago +9 / -0

So THAT’S why they’re trying to get rid of Aunt Jemimah’s

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2Fangz 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ain't no maple in Jemima, son. That's pure corn.

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Kobecopter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just checked the Mrs. Butter-worth’s in the fridge and she’s a corn gal too TIL

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illiteregetimate 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not to line their own pockets, foment conflict domestically and worldwide, and effectively neuter entire populations?

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Carlos_Danger1 1 point ago +1 / -0

They don't isn't an option apparently?

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Apersonofinterest 15 points ago +15 / -0

I saw one. They’re real. Massive Flying V shaped craft flew right over me. Completely silent. You could kind of see through it. It had 5 white lights. Flew slowly over us and then shot off at ludicrous speed.

I’ll never forget that shit.

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MaoHatesSparrows 19 points ago +19 / -0

There was no alien. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected light from Venus.

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Kobecopter 6 points ago +6 / -0

Can’t tell if sarcasm or CIA

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MaoHatesSparrows 9 points ago +9 / -0

Men in Black, 1997.

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Kobecopter 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lol ok now I get it.

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ScreamingEagle1776 3 points ago +3 / -0

It’s a quote from Men in Black

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Kobecopter 8 points ago +8 / -0

One of the first UFO stories I ever heard was from my 7th grade teacher. He said when he was a kid he saw this massive light object move past his window and disappear without making a noise, scared the shit out of him.

I didn’t believe him, but thinking about it now it was one of the first stories he ever told us. Must have really stuck with him if he’s an adult and he still can’t get over it.

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Apersonofinterest 11 points ago +11 / -0

I’ve seen lights in the sky that moved fast or made sudden turns but this one was right above me. It was obviously a machine. I was on a fire at the time In Northern California and the whole crew saw it.

A year or two later, the same craft flew over Phoenix and thousands of people saw it including the Governor. When I saw the video, I got chills because it was exactly what I saw.

I think it’s ours because right in the middle between where I saw it and Phoenix, AZ is Area 51.

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Kobecopter 6 points ago +7 / -1

The weird part to me is when you look into what it could be, you find a lot of historical references trying to explain the same thing (lights/beings from the sky), only they’ve never seen a machine before so it gets misinterpreted.

Fucking crazy ass shit my dude.

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intamin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you have a link to the video? :)

I love this shit so much. Thanks!

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Apersonofinterest 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

I Know What I Saw

https://youtu.be/qkjP_0RnCjY

Kurt Russell flew over the Phoenix Lights UFO. Sorry for the Kimmel link.

https://youtu.be/RVffyAF3wz8

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Hawksendoom 3 points ago +3 / -0

I seen two of them flying back to back, 3 lights on each side, different colors, black, completely silent, flew creepingly slow, too slow for a plane to be flying. 1998 Henderson NV right before dawn

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Apersonofinterest 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sounds a lot like what I saw. I thought it might be some kind of rigid air ship or something to float the way it did without making any noise but when it took off, it was fast and gone in seconds. I didn’t see any kind of jets or rockets on the back. Just the 5 lights on the bottom.

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Hawksendoom 1 point ago +1 / -0

thank you for your reply - i would like to add that the thickness of the ships was about 3 stories tall. The lights would light up in succession just 3 orange blue and white i think from front middle last - about 1 seconds apart. Thank you! If you like ufo stuff may I interest you in www.earthfiles.com with linda moulton howe - thank you again.

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

The big V/wedge shaped crafts are common sightings. Many people have hinted they're radar platforms that violate treaties, which is why they're denied to exist by the government.

I mean, I have no idea if aliens exist, I just remain skeptical until it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. The tic tac vids are compelling. But not jumping into the "it's aliens" pool doesn't mean I have any clue what it is. Or the Phoenix lights. I have no idea. If you want to believe it's aliens, fine - and I'm not going to tell you what you saw. But treaty breaking sensor platforms...could be.

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Apersonofinterest 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think the V/Wedge Shaped/Triangles are ours. Ben Rich, the former head of Lockheed Skunkworks that designed the F-117 and B2, used to say that we had craft that could "take ET home" and other such comments. These new shapes showed up right around that time. Early 80's.

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MikesBigJockstrap 1 point ago +1 / -0

I saw one back in the early 2000s at dusk that was spherical. It was a whole lot lower than the normal planes that flew in the airspace, I'd estimate about 6-8000ft. It kind of reminded me of the orbs you'd see at Brown Mountain. Looking at it through the binoculars, it looked almost like glass and you could make out shadows inside of it. It moved forward and backwards and then hovered there for a few minutes before completely fading. It looked almost otherworldly, or either it was some futuristic shit the government has that we'll never know about.

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TheStoneOfSisyphus 6 points ago +7 / -1

Maybe both as well. But yes, I agree with you. I have seen stuff myself. Also talked to a few people that have seen some scary stuff.

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Kobecopter 2 points ago +2 / -0

Probably both

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NoahGav 2 points ago +3 / -1

I 100% do not believe there are any aliens on earth or have ever been here.

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Kobecopter 0 points ago +3 / -3

Sure there are, they saved Noah from the flood.

Read “Magicians of the Gods” if you’re curious. Too many coincidences.

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Kobecopter 1 point ago +3 / -2 (edited)

Also watch Ancient Aliens. Some of them are a stretch but they’ve been here bro.

Spez: Downvotes don’t change the truth! You should all know that by now.

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levarrishawk 2 points ago +2 / -0

Disclosure on this is coming. The technology is already patented and not owned by private corporations who will hoard the tech for their own gain.

https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Pais&oq=inventor:(Salvatore+Pais)

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intamin 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is cool stuff. Thanks!

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levarrishawk 1 point ago +1 / -0

For bonus points, the name of the inventor is a pseudonym and not an actual person.

For double bonus points figure out what the etymology of the name is and what it means.

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intamin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol ok. I may ask for the answer if I can’t figure it out. :p

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FireannDireach 9 points ago +10 / -1

Lazar is a fraud, but it's pretty good odds if they flew this, it happened at Groom Lake. It's still operational - it's not the only test base we have, it's just the most known - and is close to the companies who design such things, who operate out of the southwest US.

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TheStoneOfSisyphus 4 points ago +5 / -1

I don't know, man. I want to believe Lazar. But I am also a bit skeptical, too. But he was there, IMO.

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FireannDireach 5 points ago +6 / -1

Lazar working there =/= aliens exist. A lot of people work there, it's a functioning test base, where they test airplanes. But they're not all running around making up bullshit stories.

I went down that rabbit hole years ago. Lazar has been beyond thoroughly debunked by people who would know. He's a con man. I'm not going to spam all of that here, believe what you want, but I don't give him a single shred of credibility.

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DarthFuckinVader 6 points ago +8 / -2

I've watched quite a few body language analysis of Lazar over the years and everyone seems to think he isn't being deceptive. If Lazar was so full of shit, why does the .gov raid him when talking about stable isotope of element 115 he maybe stole?

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FireannDireach 9 points ago +9 / -0

He was raided for selling some shit he wasn't supposed to out of his lab supply company - considering he sells fireworks out of the same building, you can connect the dots there.

And, he does not have "stable 115", that whole thing is utter nonsense. Even 'stable", element 115 is one of the most radioactive elements known.

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BeetlejuiceForSenate 8 points ago +8 / -0 (edited)

For me the biggest hole in Lazar's story is his lack of any elaboration about element 115 or chemistry in general. He just doesn't speak like a real expert with expert language. He talks about 115 like it's a magical key, but he can't expand on even the basic (already known) chemistry.

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FireannDireach 6 points ago +6 / -0

I've posted here before, I have a relative who's a twin PhD in atomic engineering and physics. His only response to Lazar's 115 nonsense was a deep belly laugh.

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anon1011101 1 point ago +1 / -0

PhD regular chemist here and I can tell he's full of shit

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FireannDireach 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't engage, it's fun to listen to on Coast To Coast, but c'mon. I learned years ago, those that want to believe won't listen. Not my hill to die on - I state my opinion, and move on.

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DarthFuckinVader 1 point ago +1 / -0

How so? Hydrogen is stable but tritium is an unstable isotope of Hydrogen

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FireannDireach 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm not going to teach you chemistry in a T-D thread. Go read some science books, focused on the table of elements. No, do it. It's interesting stuff.

There's a saying in science, "He's not even wrong." That means you're so far off into the weeds, it can't be taken credibly at all. Lazar is deep into that territory, when it comes to 115.

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DarthFuckinVader 0 points ago +1 / -1

Dude, like not trying to be a dick or anything, but eat one, a big fat one... lol.. I'm applying my best knowledge here of isotopes. Dicks like you belong back on Reddit (re: acktually meme)

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DarthFuckinVader 0 points ago +1 / -1

I was trying to discuss that below before FaggityanneDireach got all Acktchually on me

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OnlyAmerica 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

You are just spouting nonsense. Even Thorium (element number=90), the holy grail of the Internet armchair nuclear physicists, is a radioactive substance. What do you think the amount of radiation emitted by element 115 will be?

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CryptoMonger 5 points ago +5 / -0

Elements 115 thou.

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banumerchantmarine 3 points ago +3 / -0

Antigravity would be awesome and revolutionize humanity. Energy and Gravity constraints are the two biggest walls we face right now.

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Kobecopter 1 point ago +1 / -0

If there’s no gravity wall holding us down do you think we’d grow...10 feel taller?

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Deathlessly 4 points ago +4 / -0

What if the UFOs are just human artifacts from the future looping back at us?

It's like a weird sinkhole that we've been pushing broken cars into for fun, and not knowing, it's ending up in the Medieval period.

Imagine Iron Age Blacksmiths first encountering Steel.

Let's take a real event. Imagine Native Americans first getting a hold of a steel knife. Or a wheel for that matter. Or a horse.

This is us with Aliens.

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TheStoneOfSisyphus 3 points ago +4 / -1

That could be true as well. There is a very interesting and little known movie called Lunopolis that goes in that direction. It was made for a few hundred thousand dollars by a couple of film students and it is damn good. Ending will melt your brain.

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HeavyVetting 65 points ago +66 / -1

F-45 Trumper

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quotahire 36 points ago +36 / -0

Please call it the F-45 hahaaha

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ObjectiveReality 4 points ago +4 / -0

F-45 Centipede

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OptimusPrime 1 point ago +1 / -0

My body was not ready for this comment but it was exactly what I needed 🙌

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JesusisKing 17 points ago +18 / -1

T-45

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Gonzotron5000 11 points ago +11 / -0

T-45 Maga

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Seanp12 6 points ago +7 / -1

God Emperor of the Skies, GEOTS

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robotspacetime 4 points ago +4 / -0

The payload consists entirely of nukes and shitposts.

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grndmrshlgando 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm sure at some point in time a pepe frog was drawn on a warhead before they dropped it on a target

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ShakeYourTrumpThang 3 points ago +3 / -0

With deployable trump hair! But it HAS NO BRAKES.

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free-money- 44 points ago +44 / -0

The NGAD, in contrast, was first designed and tested digitally before it was physically built.

They've been doing modeling and simulation for decades. This feels like marketing speak. The difference today is that the fidelity has gotten a lot better, and with more access to bigger and bigger supercomputers, less things have to be hand-waved.

Well, good for the Air Force. Good to know there are still some acquisition people who focus on getting the job done instead of getting their woke training done. Hopefully we can actually keep this one to ourselves instead of giving it to all of our enemies for free.

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Thracka951 9 points ago +9 / -0

Gen 7 due by the end of 2024 and heading into Trumps third term.

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cook_does 7 points ago +7 / -0

There have been some pretty large advancements in machine learning and the CAD world in the last 5 years. There are plenty of videos on youtube of car frames, boat frames and the what that have been 100% machine designed with the given set of parameters by the designers (LxWxH, expected stress load,forming tool capabilities, aerodynamics, drag, etc.). The days of dreaming it up and perfecting the design a few brain powers at a time are over.

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kono_hito_wa 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep. I was just thinking about 777 and CATIA.

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NoahGav 4 points ago +4 / -0

Look into SpaceX's simulation software. They can simulate their rockets in incredibly small (accurate) detail.

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xAnswerTo1984is1776 32 points ago +35 / -3

f-35 is 20 years old... time flys

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Exgovtemployee 25 points ago +25 / -0

Money flies

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banumerchantmarine 4 points ago +5 / -1

A lot of money flies into the US. The JSF isn't just a joint fighter that will be flying well past 40 years from now, it's an international project. The F35 has a lot of different things onboard that we pull out and then sell simplified versions to other countries. It's about keeping cost per unit down both during delivery and flight hour.

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lifeisahologram 26 points ago +27 / -1

Hopefully the secrets were locked down hardcore. Too many communists in our government trying to send tech to China.

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Rooster-J-Cogburn 25 points ago +29 / -4

Could this announcement be related to the fact the Pentagon acknowledged alien aircraft recently? I'm not a conspiracy theory guy. Could this use extraterrestrial technology?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 31 points ago +31 / -0

You are mistaking "unidentified" with "alien." This deliberately sets you up to be vulnerable to the biggest hoax of all time. CCP virus isn't the last of the DS fucking with us.

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Friendly_B 6 points ago +6 / -0

Bluebeam time soon?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 8 points ago +8 / -0

r/whoosh

I make no prediction about how soon they pull their alien hoax, only that everything they do to induce fear and panic is to convince people to forfeit liberty in favor of security.

And we wind up with neither :\

It becomes our duty to tend to the tree of liberty

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ThickCheney 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can you explain more? I’ve never heard of this theory.

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FireannDireach 15 points ago +15 / -0

No, I think it has more to do with Trump removing multiple layers of red tape and bureaucracy from the design process. When you remove the pencil pushers, things get done fast.

I also think it's a response to him getting into office, getting briefed, and finding out how truly compromised everything is. A plane China and Russia have no idea about? Air superiority, right there - the stealth program achieved the same thing.

We have some really fucking smart and capable people in the country, who can do amazing thing when released from red tape and regulations. We unleashed that in WWII and leaped ahead of the germans and japanese. We seem to be doing that again here. You all talk about aliens, I lean towards us being a lot more capable than the Dems, the press, and weak wristed liberals give us credit for.

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King 2 points ago +2 / -0

or german/usa technology

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NoahGav 1 point ago +1 / -0

No.

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Loc12 25 points ago +25 / -0

Trump preparing to have air superiority in a war with China

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FireannDireach 24 points ago +24 / -0

Yep. We're 40 years ahead of China in terms of air craft carriers, we're probably 60 years ahead of them with fighter tech, now.

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gaijin_ronin 18 points ago +18 / -0

Well chinese fighters are made in chyna. Major Wong at the local fighter factory shrugs - " Why we always have package of screws leftover when build planes"

Go for after burners and watch the engine grenade itself or the airframe to disintegrate after 5 sorties.

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AceOfTrumps 2 points ago +3 / -1

As a construction contractor, it pissed me off to no end when I don't get extra screws

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banumerchantmarine 5 points ago +5 / -0

The F35 is at least 30-40 years ahead of their development cycle. They keep showing these terrible knock-offish jets in their propaganda that barely fly (their engines suck ass) and if you know anything about LO you know they are NOT stealth.

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Deathlessly 4 points ago +4 / -0

I find the French more amusing.

We are skipping 5th Gen. We are building a 6th Gen Aircraft. Because numbers!

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wang__chung__ 24 points ago +25 / -1

Anyone have a pic of it?

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Filo76 61 points ago +62 / -1
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look_fat 26 points ago +26 / -0

You know you're probably on some list for releasing that eh?

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LostViking1985 6 points ago +6 / -0

Multiple life sentences at least

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quotahire 6 points ago +6 / -0

LOL

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BathouseBarry 5 points ago +5 / -0

Cross my heart

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AFuckingWhiteMale 5 points ago +5 / -0

Thanks, Rick.

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cgiles98 3 points ago +3 / -0

“Too late. I’ve already shared it with china!” - Dianne Feinstein (D-China)

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Winston_Smith84 2 points ago +2 / -0

We need some tech to get that machine gun off the top wing so we can fire it through the propeller arc without hitting the prop. We'd rule the skies if we could pull that off! Mark my words.

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BeerJudge 14 points ago +14 / -0

username checks out

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Exgovtemployee 9 points ago +9 / -0

Chinese probs

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SkyEater2 [S] 20 points ago +20 / -0

Whoa. I got stickied!

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DarthFuckinVader 15 points ago +15 / -0

It happened to me once. I had to fight off chicks for like 20 minutes before another sticky took my place.

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Winston_Smith84 2 points ago +2 / -0

20 minutes of heaven!

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quotahire 9 points ago +9 / -0

Great post fren

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SkyEater2 [S] 18 points ago +18 / -0

From the Popular Mechanics article:

“ According to Defense News, the Air Force developed the new fighter in about a year—a staggeringly short amount of time by modern standards. The Air Force first developed a virtual version of the jet, and then proceeded to build and fly a full-sized prototype, complete with mission systems. This is in stark contrast to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

The X-35, an early technology demonstrator, first flew in 2000, four years after Lockheed Martin signed the contract to build it. It might be better, however to compare this new mystery jet to the first actual F-35 fighter, which flew in 2006.

STRAIGHT FROM THE COCKPIT

What It’s Like to Fly the F-35 That means it took the Air Force just one year to get to the point with NGAD* fighter that it reached in 10 years with the F-35. This appears to be the "record" the Air Force claims the new plane is smashing, and it's probably right.”

*NGAD = Next Generation Air Dominance

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Deathlessly 6 points ago +6 / -0

NGAD

*Tries to pronounce it.

Thhh thhhh thas rayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyciiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Heavens2MAGAtroid 17 points ago +17 / -0

This is almost unbelievable (unbelievable in the literal sense). One year to flying prototype is what they did in WWII but even then it was crazy short.

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misterLahey 7 points ago +7 / -0

In before we learn that this is just some sort of kit-based F-35 to make it a slightly more effective turd.

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ADAM_SCHITT 5 points ago +5 / -0

That's what I was originally thinking. An F-35 without the congressionally mandated bullshit.

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SkyEater2 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

WWIII needs the same urgency.

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OnlyAmerica 4 points ago +5 / -1

Not that unbelievable. Trust me. Just do a quick Amazon query with the keywords '3D printer'.

If consumer 3D printers are that cheap (meaning easy to make), imagine the industrial scale 3D printers.

Now do a duckduckgo search on industrial 3D printer. The most expensive one currently sits at $250K a piece of high precision steel/metal alloy printing.

You do the math. The future is here!

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Heavens2MAGAtroid 3 points ago +3 / -0

My son was part of a 3D printer startup so I know amaze-balls things are going on out there.

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Lu-Bu 14 points ago +14 / -0

You didn't think that $21 trillion the Pentagon couldn't account for just went nowhere, did ya?

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JudgeWhoAllowsStuff 15 points ago +15 / -0

I thought Barry Soetero snorted it off some dude’s dick in the back of a cab.

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Hawksendoom 3 points ago +3 / -0

As soon as rummy said it i knew it was for project solar warden.

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BlinkinSun 13 points ago +13 / -0

I’m sitting at my desk, a bunch of screens in front of me... in the middle of the production floor.... jets in various stages of construction ALL around me.... and I have a hard pee pee.

Thanks, OP.

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BobDobalina 12 points ago +12 / -0

Think of the financial value a friekin' prototype 6th generation jet has. Likely worth 2 billion dollars or more to China.

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catch-a-penny 7 points ago +7 / -0

Now we know why Joe's the ccp favorite. (Or at least another reason to add to the plethora of others..)

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jive-ass-turkey 2 points ago +2 / -0

Considering the Chinese just admitted their J-20 is a fourth, and not fifth gen fighter like they had originally claimed, I'd say they'd pay a whole lot more than $2 Billion for the tech.

But who knows how to estimate accurately once you get up to those numbers though?

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Npc-1776 10 points ago +10 / -0

How dense is the hill? The video on that article show cases the USN fighters.

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SkyEater2 [S] 11 points ago +11 / -0

Standard modern denseness. Remember the videos of Obama’s cages being called Trump’s cages?

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banumerchantmarine 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Hill is a rag that can barely report accurately on news they like. They're shit at defense news.

JMO the NGAD is going to be a UAV that links with our networked fighters, basically acting as an unmanned projection tool to suppress air defenses without being seen or risking a pilot.

Just conjecture on my part based on rumors in the military aviation world.

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11Bignveiny 10 points ago +10 / -0

Good article on the subject, long read, but it’s worth it if you want to understand the direction of future technology.

The Air Force's Secret Next Gen Air Dominance Demonstrator Isn't What You Think It Is

Here’s my take, with my own understanding of some topics outside of the article. Basically, advanced manufacturing and material sciences combined with radical new air combat doctrine probably indicate that America’s next 6th gen fighter will NOT look anything like what we’ve seen in the past. As in, no more super jets that do every mission with every advanced technology slapped onto the airframe.

Rather, we might see a new manned fighter in control of and linked to autonomous drone swarms. Each drone in the swarm will have specific mission parameters, e.g. drone A will act as missile sponge, drone B suppresses enemy air defense systems, drone C does electronic warfare and jamming, drone D does dogfighting, etc. We might even be seeing the end of manned jet fighters completely, and the entire air combat swarm will be entirely autonomous.

The next gen fighter family of systems will be cheaper to produce en masse; it will be able to be rapidly developed, prototyped, and configured to meet the latest threats that the enemy develops to counter the previous configurations. As in, because each fighter drone will not be produced to do every mission set, each component of the system should be cheaper and faster to develop, produce, and replace. Additionally, advances in 3d printing technology might even allow forward deployed units on an island hopping campaign in the Pacific to produce and reconfigure their own drones to meet specific threats to their mission as they arise.

Also, TheDrive Warzone comment section is half-cucked, half-based. Sign up for an account and push back on the commies and their stupid cultural Marxist bullsh*t

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SkyEater2 [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

That makes sense. And it reminds me of the final battles in Orson Scott Card’s great book Ender’s Game.

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Lol_Garrus 9 points ago +9 / -0

The F-45 MAGA Hawk

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jive-ass-turkey 2 points ago +2 / -0

F-45 Caliber

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IRE-PLZ_HALP_SEND_2A 8 points ago +8 / -0

GEOTUS: So this F-35 is a fucking shitshow?

DIPSHIT: Uh, um... yes sir...

GEOTUS: Fuck that shit. We're doing a new one. MY WAY.

DIPSHIT: ...

...

A FEW MOMENTS LATER

...

NEW FUCKING JET THAT FUCKING WORKS.

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MrAlwaysRight 7 points ago +7 / -0

They likely were developing it before Trump. In fact that biggest obstacle to good fighter jets were costs and time of build. That and replacement parts.

The government has been working decades on getting this right. So they invested on building parts that are long lasting, good quality along with being made easily. Even materials that do the same (which is why they abandoned some harder to work with materials).

Trump then pumped in billions to speed the process along. Not only is this a new better Jet, its a new technology that allows Jets to be made cheaper and faster than previous Jets.

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Harambe 4 points ago +4 / -0

They specifically highlighted how digital testing expedited the process significantly. I think you are underestimating our boys, they have finally digitized and are ready to kick commie ass

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MrAlwaysRight 2 points ago +2 / -0

They specifically highlighted how digital testing expedited the process significantly. I think you are underestimating our boys, they have finally digitized and are ready to kick commie ass

I don't think I am underestimating them at all. I know it takes a couple years to come up with designs. To test it using electronics and at least a year to build it. They got all this done in 3 years? That is highly unlikely since even building can take a year.

Even if they somehow did that they have been working on this technology for a while.

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IntergalacticWalrus 2 points ago +2 / -0

I know firsthand they’ve been working on it since 2015 at least.

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RiverFenix 7 points ago +7 / -0

SPACE FORCE!!!!!!!!!!

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everydaybetter 2 points ago +4 / -2

Article says that major cost for Air Force is 15 years out as massive modernization of existing fighters has to happen. So they switch to a new fighter ever 8 years from 1 of the 3 remaining suppliers.

Reasonable to assume that this new fighter is at least low earth orbit, possibly true space force returnable satellite level. Would also mean that the Xglider Air Force space rockets already lifted the fighter into low earth orbit for testing. One mission from Vandenburg lasted over 400 days.

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RiverFenix 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm expecting something like this... https://www.artstation.com/artwork/rYG5

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everydaybetter 1 point ago +1 / -0

Isn't that shape basically the Horten (Nazi era) stealth jet?

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CoreyAnder 7 points ago +7 / -0

During Trump’s rally last night he talked about weapons that we could only imagine. There are probably many more out there.