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Fireark 48 points ago +53 / -5

I mean, it is forgetting the battles where the 4th Crusade took Christian cities for Venice to pay for their ships, and sacked Constantinople to pay for their troops.


Demig80 22 points ago +27 / -5

This map appears to be inaccurate. How could you not mark the Reconquesta?! Or the Franks push before then? It also omits battles that I know were initiated by Christians in the areas around Bulgaria. I'm not a historical scholar, but have read about and seen the historical remnants with my own eyes during my travels.

PattonWasRight 14 points ago +15 / -1

True, if we're to count Muslim battles in Spain than we ought to count Christian battles there as well.

TeddyRoosevelt2024 8 points ago +8 / -0

And if we’re counting Christian initiated crusades against anyone of non-Christian Origin, you have the Baltic crusades with the Teutons and Livonian order, you have countless smaller “crusades” around Europe against pagan folk. Not ripping on Christianity as I am a Christian, but I think it’s important to know that while we aren’t entirely founded on the sword like Islam, we have a bloody past as well. Don’t forget all humans are inherently flawed, but it’s what we push toward that matters. We have stepped beyond the medieval norm of mission by conquest and holy war, Islam by comparison has a ways to go.

PattonWasRight 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's true. There are some very brutal events in the history of Christianity such as the Cathar Crusade or the Constantinople Crusade of 1204, but what matters is that we've moved on since then. I personally don't feel any guilt about my great great grandfather doing what everyone else did in the Middle Ages.