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Fireark 48 points ago +53 / -5

I mean, it is forgetting the battles where the 4th Crusade took Christian cities for Venice to pay for their ships, and sacked Constantinople to pay for their troops.


WEWLADSDALWEW 41 points ago +42 / -1

Which was condemned by the Church.

Demig80 22 points ago +27 / -5

This map appears to be inaccurate. How could you not mark the Reconquesta?! Or the Franks push before then? It also omits battles that I know were initiated by Christians in the areas around Bulgaria. I'm not a historical scholar, but have read about and seen the historical remnants with my own eyes during my travels.

PattonWasRight 14 points ago +15 / -1

True, if we're to count Muslim battles in Spain than we ought to count Christian battles there as well.

TeddyRoosevelt2024 8 points ago +8 / -0

And if we’re counting Christian initiated crusades against anyone of non-Christian Origin, you have the Baltic crusades with the Teutons and Livonian order, you have countless smaller “crusades” around Europe against pagan folk. Not ripping on Christianity as I am a Christian, but I think it’s important to know that while we aren’t entirely founded on the sword like Islam, we have a bloody past as well. Don’t forget all humans are inherently flawed, but it’s what we push toward that matters. We have stepped beyond the medieval norm of mission by conquest and holy war, Islam by comparison has a ways to go.

PattonWasRight 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's true. There are some very brutal events in the history of Christianity such as the Cathar Crusade or the Constantinople Crusade of 1204, but what matters is that we've moved on since then. I personally don't feel any guilt about my great great grandfather doing what everyone else did in the Middle Ages.

Magus_Strife 9 points ago +9 / -0

"Initiated by Christians" is not the same as a Crusade. If you watch the video that OPs image is from, this is a response to Muslim go-to response to Muslim violence and genocide throughout the ages. Their response every time is "but muh Crusades!! You raped and pillaged Muslim lands and did terrible thing in the Crusades!" And the proper response to that is OPs image and showing that Christian Europe put up with 400+ years of Islamic aggression before they started even the first Crusade.

This is specifically addressing that issue.

Block_Helen 7 points ago +7 / -0

I think the map shows the initial push into Europe. It seems to be a screenshot from an animated timeline.

Zaxxaz3 2 points ago +2 / -0

The map if from a video, I forget its exact name, but this commonly shared picture is a screenshot from the middle (hence why it says new battles and old battles).

Kamala_Harris 2 points ago +2 / -0

True, it’s also missing two massacres in NYC, a truck of peace event, and a few others random enlightenments.

Basil2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Kings and Generals is an amazing channel