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Siteless_Vagrant 281 points ago +283 / -2

So did they just lowkey admit that the tests have been identifying ANY coronavirus?

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NewUser1758 245 points ago +256 / -11

I think they just admitted that the Corona Virus is the Common Cold.

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GopnikGod 76 points ago +79 / -3

The way I've come to see it compared to how it was presented to us months ago is, basically, that it's just a nasty flu. I wouldn't want to catch it. But, then, that doesn't say much because I don't want to catch anything. Even then, we HAVE treatments for it. If I did get it I'd just ask my doc to hook me up with some dat hydroxy and zinc.

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WhitePowerRanger 40 points ago +44 / -4

You do want to catch it depending on your age. Catch things young while your immune system is still working full steam. You develop antibodies that remember and can stop new strains in advance.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 20 points ago +23 / -3

We have no idea how long immunity lasts. I was deliberately given chicken pox, it totally ruined my first Christmas vacation from school. Not only did I not miss a single day of school but now I'm at risk of shingles which runs in my family; it's the same virus. Of course we have no idea if anything similar pertains to this disease and hopefully it doesn't. I'm just saying viruses do some strange things to people. We don't really know if "getting over" CCPvirus means no more virus exists in your body, if it lives there forever like some other viruses, or what.

Your natural immunotherapy scheme there works every bit as well if you just get a normal cold instead of CCPvirus, since we can't differentiate between the immune response.

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Kweebecker 22 points ago +22 / -0

Adult strain chicken pox, NOT shingles, but the pox, is quite nasty. You may be susceptible to shingles (which has readily-available treatments, by the by, if you're specifically at-risk, do take note of them), but if you are, you REALLY don't want chicken pox as an adult.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +3 / -1

The only "treatment" I've uncovered is vaccine. What else is there?

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kung-flu-fighting 2 points ago +2 / -0

like you really don't want kung-flu when you are old.....

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getkek 7 points ago +8 / -1

We’re talking common cold, not chicken pox. No vaccine for common cold as it mutates constantly, so no “vaccine” for novel coronavirus to stop COVID19 symptoms.

In other words open the country up fully and stop dicking around.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 5 points ago +6 / -1

I agree with opening the Country up. More emphatically, it's horribly irresponsible that on April 1 we didn't open at least all Counties with 0-10 total cases, and use the data we'd have gotten about any second wave to determine how much to open by 4/15. I could see not opening large cities until everything around it was under control. This approach would've not only helped our economy tremendously, but now we know the progress towards herd immunity is the best way to fight this.

DJT is taking high risks both with "letting" States decide their own restrictions, as well as deciding how to handle plannedriots. I'm glad he's following the Constitution and haven't seen him encroach upon it. I don't know the legality of him taking a more hardline stance. I wish he could override Governors on the HCQ ban though. If we weren't prevented from that, CCPvirus truly would be no big deal. At least 95% of all deaths would be prevented, most people would be virus-free in 6 days and all breathing problems are gone in 2 days of treatment. Really hard to die like that, also hard to spread it.

This would make both masks and vaccines irrelevant.

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KonyHawk_ProSlaver -2 points ago +2 / -4

"Immunity" could be as short as a few months. This is not the chicken pox, unfortunately, and that's what makes this really shitty.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 14 points ago +14 / -0

You can't get HCQ unless you live in one of a very few States.

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namechangearoo 12 points ago +13 / -1

I’ll buy some off the darkweb. Lol

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Pandas4Trump 8 points ago +8 / -0

Hadn't though of that. Clever

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sackofwisdom 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yeah. If this actually gets serious you WOULD find it there. Even just browsing makes you feel like a kid in a candy shop.

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DoubleBased 4 points ago +4 / -0

India banned export, so you need to go to darker portion of web.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 5 points ago +5 / -0

Hook a pede up!

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Mooksayshigh 5 points ago +5 / -0

Search for Empire market. Use VPN, follow the instructions. They warn you if the site you’re on is legit or not. If it’s not empire market .onion it’s fake. There are sites that will link/help you get to the real ones.

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GopnikGod 3 points ago +4 / -1

Huh. Well, you were not wrong.

I guess I will ask my doctor for some zinc and good luck instead.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 7 points ago +7 / -0

You can get zinc OTC. Another zinc ionophore is Quercitin, which is also generally good for our immune system. Dr Z put out a protocol for preventative use: I forget how much Quercetin, but 25 mg elemental zinc per day. Zinc comes in several forms, and converting that form to how much elemental zinc is important to know how much to take. (I think he suggested 200 mg quercetin once or twice a day, but try looking it up. Anyway he did phrase it that way, so it's not a critical amount)

I don't believe this is as good as HCQ even just as a zinc ionophore, and it certainly isn't anti-viral against CCPvirus as HCQ + azithromycin proved in vitro, but the idea is at least it's something. And it would disrupt the virus' ability to replicate.

Another interesting factoid is almost everybody with the advanced stage of the disease is vitamin D deficient.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good thing I am spending as much time outside enjoying the sun as possible.

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djmarcone 6 points ago +6 / -0

you can get zinc from wherever don't need dr for that.

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GopnikGod 2 points ago +3 / -1

I am aware, it was joke.

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BobSacamano 3 points ago +3 / -0

My boy Craig on the south side can hook you up

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not here he can't

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truthforchange 1 point ago +1 / -0

or have an attorney.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

An attorney can't do a fucking thing for you here. If you die you die. Exactly as 40+ Governors want it. If an attorney does you any good anywhere, I'd love to know how ...

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truthforchange 3 points ago +3 / -0 (edited)

Refer to smirking while peacefully MAGA. It's all about documentation. If not documented, didn't happen.

So what I would do if I tested positive for COVID:

  • Ask my doctor to prescribe me HCQ + Azithromycin
  • [DR refuses]
  • Ask DR if it is his/her own well informed personal professional decision, or if is the the policy of his employer or someone else for them to not prescribe the drug which appears the be the only available prophylaxis / early treatment.
  • [DR explains.] Dr. is f-cked either way.
  • Ask doctor to prescribe me brand name Viagra
  • [DR writes the prescription, because Pfizer. Woot woot.]
  • Say goodbye.
  • On way out . stop and ask Doctors staff for copy of the detailed physicians notes for the visit.
  • Let them know I'll wait a few minutes for the copy.
  • [Dr. needs to write those notes accurately during or shortly after visit].
  • Receive them. If they are incorrect, or "missing" any important details of the visit, ask them to make my medical record represent the visit and request/denials for treatment.

If I were to suffer needlessly in any way, whatever the Dr. writes to indemnify themselves is not enough. They risk that any day the efforts hide the truth about HCQ will collapse, leaving them exposed to lawsuits. And I would make sure they know this before they provided the visit notes.

If it's a HMO or big medical, expect to wait a long time and probably wind up talking to Chief of Medical Staff for some additional bullshit explanation. Ask them to include that discussion in the notes as well. Really if it went beyond my Dr. though (i.e damage control), I'd start recording.

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AndrewLB 1 point ago +1 / -0

Actually you can. Doctors are still prescribing it. Only certain pharmacies will fill it though. And this is in Kalifornia.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe YOU can - I cannot. I am very glad to hear it is possible. I suspect both the prescribing Dr and the filling pharmacist are subject to losing their license, which is obviously a horrific injustice. In WI you can't get it even if you've depended on it all your life and will die without it.

This does vary by State. Some States have made it legal but less than 10. I'd have a 14 hour drive to get to one. God forbid I wind up with a positive test result, I'd make that drive even though I don't know if they'd treat an out of State resident.

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Yawnz13 24 points ago +26 / -2

Bruh, measles has most of the same symptoms. Similar symptoms =/= same virus.

It isn't a "cold" or "flu". The problem is that "coronavirus" is an entire family of viruses, and that the antibodies these tests look for are not designed to be specific to a particular species of virus. Antibodies typically follow an "induced fit" rule, meaning that if a virus is "close enough", they will attach to said virus. Since SARS1, SARS2, MERS, and the four or so different human coronavirus species that can cause the common cold are all part of this same family, their surface membranes are likely similar enough that these antibodies will react the same way to all of them.

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Dontberetarded 13 points ago +13 / -0

BUT MUH MILLIONS DEAD

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BigFreedomBoner 1 point ago +1 / -0

I ENVY MUH DEAD

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RedditIs4Retards 8 points ago +10 / -2

Fauci also said this.

Too bad his worshippers all have short term memory loss

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namechangearoo 11 points ago +12 / -1

And my favorite “no one healthy should be wearing a mask (in late March)

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GEOTUSMAGA 5 points ago +7 / -2

Ahh yes. You mean this one.

https://streamable.com/oml2rf

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Gee, why does my crummy Governor Tim Walz have a mask mandate in MN. Why do I get the stink I or booted from a public place if I am not masked up?

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KekistanPM 4 points ago +4 / -0

I think it's less memory loss and more "TEH SCIENCE IS ALWAYS CHANGING!!!"

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side_o_beef 2 points ago +3 / -1

This basically allows the left to claim they’re always right. Muh science changed. Now some women have penises.

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Pederrr 6 points ago +6 / -0

It's actually a pneumonia, but any upper respiratory infection will have the same symptoms.

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Awilen 5 points ago +6 / -1

I've read a lot of things. From "it's a pneumonia but different because it attacks both lungs" to "it gets in the blood and frees the iron in hemoglobins, leading to hyperemia, and putting patients on respirators is the wrong way to go about it because no matter how much oxygen you put in their lungs, there's not enough hemoglobin to transport it when symptoms show up and they get diagnosed" or even "it can attack nerves as seen in patients who have lost the senses of taste and smell".

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MyDogCompletesMe 3 points ago +3 / -0

I've read the articles on the hemoglobin attack. I still haven't seen anything that refutes that theory. I will say, I've seen plenty of evidence that Covid 19 is a Blood disease and not a respiratory disease. (The bi-lateral "pneumonia" is a symptom of the problems absorbing oxygen) Once your cells are infected with CV-19, the underlying trajectory of bad symptoms is always the same, regardless of if you call it a respiratory disease or blood disease.

The main symptom that causes the downward spiral is the reduced O2Sat. Once your O2Sat starts dropping, organs that need the oxygen start weakening which reduces the body's ability to fight the disease, which causes your O2Sat to drop even further.

If you have CV19, just monitor your own O2Sat with a simple, inexpensive, small, reusable, battery powered device called a Pulse Oximeter. If your O2Sat starts dropping below 95%, then you've got a slight problem. See a Doctor, get HCQS if you can.

If you wait until the O2Sat is in the 50's, you've got a serious problem and these are the folks they put on the ventilators which don't do anything except exacerbate lung issues.

This is different from the common cold and flu, but most of the time it's not serious at all.

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Fusion360 2 points ago +2 / -0

Makes sense, as doctors are trained to fight symptoms and not the root cause.

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Pederrr 3 points ago +3 / -0

also, if your upper respiratory system is infected hard with a virus it could easily block your ability to taste, smell, and get enough oxygen.

Viruses get in your cells and control them, replicating that way. Bacteria just coats shit in Bacteria.

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Pederrr 2 points ago +3 / -1

The only thing that seems to be backed up by the information is that it can cause pneumonia. That's why the steroidal breathing treatment was looking promising and the original focus on ventilators.

The rest seems to be fear mongering or due to the bullshit of diagnosing EVERYTHING as covid death. However, I don't know much about the mechanics of viruses and perhaps that's something that happens when the virus gets too far along without being killed off.

Ask yourself, if all of those crazy things were true.... wouldn't the many millions of people who tested positive had some symptoms sending them for testing rather than the fear driving them to the mass testing facilities?

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Awilen 1 point ago +1 / -0

You shouldn't underestimate what people will do out of fear. And the misleadia has been hard at work fear-mongering people.

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Pederrr 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because we've been coddling people for so long. Letting them circlejerk themselves into being stupid for so long.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 5 points ago +13 / -8

No that's false. Nobody dies from a cold. This actually is different, but most people recover fine. The trick is to get medicine to those at risk of the disease progressing, before it gets bad.

This actually is a bioweapon

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Kweebecker 14 points ago +15 / -1

nobody dies from a cold

Yes, they do. Old people. Really old people. Like the kind you'd have in nursing homes. Proper nursing homes will have lockdowns if any common cold is found in the home. And people with AIDS it kills too, since basically literally anything kills them, tragically.

Just like... THE COVIDS!!!!!!

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djmarcone 7 points ago +9 / -2

but but but I know a guy who knows a guy who knows of this young woman in her 20s who was perfectly healthy and an athlete and she just GOT IT AND DIED omg it's so dangerous.

Seriously tho, I work with a guy who's brother was in the hospital on oxygen with C19 for a few weeks, so this guy is all serious about it because "it's real" but later I found out his brother was 300 lbs and not particularly healthy to begin with so... THERE YOU GO.

the elderly and those with co-morbidities are at risk of problems with C19.

WHICH IS THE CASE FOR ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO LETS DESTROY THE ECONOMY MUH RONA OMG!!!!

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BlueEyeDevil 2 points ago +4 / -2 (edited)

We just put a patient in their 30s with no prior health history on ECMO. We've had a number of younger patients like that, this one is one of the worst. Yes, we've had a lot that were morbidly obese and they didn't fair well, either.

But yeah, go ahead and believe whatever you want about it. People like me who are actually seeing and treating it in person don't know a damn thing about it.

Just gonna leave this here from John Hopkins: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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djmarcone 7 points ago +7 / -0

so help me understand. Why are there patients in their 30s with no prior health histories getting so sick from this, yet the majority that "get it" don't even know they get it?

Is it different mutations of the C19?

Are they not as healthy as they appear? Diet? exercise? weak immune systems? Flu shot? vaccines? smokers? vape? air pollution? 5g?

Just bad luck?

I still don't personally know anyone who has been sick from it, but I know 3 people who swear they had every single symptom of C19 in January, for a week, including no sense of taste, and then they were fine.

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HockeyMom4Trump 1 point ago +1 / -0

But is it the cold that kills them or when the cold turns into pneumonia? Seriously asking? I hate getting a cold, because for me, it pretty much always turns into pneumonia.

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dlanod_2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ohh! I thought everyone died healthy and all of a sudden they started dying of covid.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer -2 points ago +1 / -3

Dying of old age is not the same as dying from CCPvirus, even though there is obviously a lot of overlap. People of nearly every age have died from this.

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getkek 1 point ago +2 / -1

Fuck this shill, don’t even bother with fear mongering from Cuomo

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CuomoisaMassMurderer -2 points ago +1 / -3

That's not even a sensible argument. If it were the same then the people under 40 who have died from CCPvirus died of old age.

Your argument holds water to a point - but don't get carried away with it.

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YouGotbbQd 1 point ago +2 / -1

Wrong. Every single day.

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KekistanPM 4 points ago +5 / -1

"st...stop comparing it with the flu REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

Seriously though, I think this website does a good job of comparing and contrasting the two https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-coronavirus-and-influenza/ .

You are correct though:

  • Both coronavirus and influenza are single-stranded RNA viruses.
  • They are enveloped viruses.
  • They attack the respiratory system of humans.
  • Both can cause mild to severe diseases including fevers, tiredness, coughing and pneumonia.
  • Their infections spread through the air and by contact.
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MedPede 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Cold viruses have a lot in common, but each type has its own style, too:

Rhinovirus. This bunch is most active in early fall, spring, and summer. They cause 10%-40% of colds. You'll feel plenty miserable when you catch one, but the good news is they rarely make you seriously sick.

Coronavirus. These tend to do their dirty work in the winter and early spring. The coronavirus is the cause of about 20% of colds. There are more than 30 kinds, but only three or four affect people.

RSV and parainfluenza. These viruses cause 20% of colds. They sometimes lead to severe infections, like pneumonia, in young children."

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes

I'm not sure if WebMD is still run out of UCLA's department of medicine where it started, but it's still a fairly reliable source of info.

The antibody tests are not reliable. I wish they were, as they would help us identify the large portion of people that were exposed, contracted Covid-19, but never really got sick and now have some immunity against it. I'm confidant that If we had an accurate measure of that, the number would be large enough to put this Covid scare behind us.

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TonsOfSalt 36 points ago +38 / -2 (edited)

They're saying that strains of coronavirus are associated with the common cold which has been a thing before SARS-CoV-2. The antibody test doesn't seem to be specific enough to differentiate SARS-CoV-2 from other strains of coronavirus.

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SordidPontification 36 points ago +36 / -0

Exactly this. It's not that SARS-CoV-2 is the common cold (it's not; colds are caused by a variety of things from coronaviruses--around 20%--to rhinoviruses), it's that the IgG/IgM tests can't differentiate between it.

That means that all the estimates they've done based on previous penetration of this virus are completely untrustworthy. So this idea that there's as many as 10x the number of people who are positive based on antibody assays is almost certainly bunk. We have no way of knowing.

That means it's not an admission this is less serious than they're claiming. It's that they're actively lying to us about either the extent of the virus and its spread, its infectiousness, or both.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 11 points ago +11 / -0

Thank you, this is the best explanation posted so far. I was going to post something similar.

Depending on the source, 15-25% of common colds worldwide are caused by one of four coronaviruses that have become endemic in the human population (there are more, but they don't affect people). I don't remember the origin, but they have mutated to the point that they are mostly benign.

10-40% of colds (again, depends on the cited source) are caused by a rhinovirus. 20% are caused by RSV or parainfluenza (which is different than influenza, but can be severe). Another 20-30% are caused by an unidentified virus.

If you had a cold "recently" and it was caused by a coronavirus, it MAY have conferred some amount of immunity to COVID-19 (and may be one of the factors on the severity of your illness). And as the previous comment says: the similarity between COVID-19 and a common cold coronavirus may result in a falsely positive COVID-19 antibody test.

But, I don't think anyone is intentionally lying, other than perhaps the Misleadia. The people doing these tests and compiling the data know and understand the limitations. But, by the time it makes it to CNN, it's trumpeted to uninformed viewers (on CNN, that's all of them) without the qualifiers.

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TennesseePride 8 points ago +8 / -0

The people that set the regulations such that any death "with COVID" is a death from COVID seem to be intentionally lying, right?

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ikuyas 5 points ago +5 / -0

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1127698/influenza-us-deaths-by-age-group/

The number of death young than 18 years old of influenza during 2018 is 634. The number of Covid death is 414 for those younger than 25 years old. The number of Covid death is 746 for those younger than 35 years old.

You know how ridiculous to not open the k-12 schools and the colleges because of the safety of the students.

You know how ridiculous to say that we cannot open the school because of the safety of teachers only make up for a fraction of the school services and can be simply replaced by younger teachers.

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TennesseePride 2 points ago +2 / -0

And it will a generational scale negative impact.

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visorak 2 points ago +2 / -0

The public school system needs to torn down and rebuilt from scratch. Refusing to open just hastens their demise. They have checkmated themselves.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +1 / -0

The criteria for listing COVID-19 as a contributing cause to death in my state precludes cases that only tested positive for it.

In your state, your mileage may vary. If so, you are wasting your breath complaining to me.

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TennesseePride 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not complaining to you. Not asking what they do in your state. I'm asking a question about what you said. Will you answer it?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 7 points ago +7 / -0

I agree with you on all but point:

health authorities are trying to kill as many of us as possible. And they're doing a damn good job of it. Over 135,000 that they claim died due to CCPvirus, did not have to die, statistically speaking. Now of course we have no idea how far off their reported numbers are but still, you're talking a minimum of 95% of those who died being preventable.

Notice this is different from people working in healthcare; I don't believe they actively try to kill their patients. It's the authorities, many layers of bureaucracy above them. It was perfectly obvious to me when the antibody test results first came out that they had no way of knowing if antibodies they found were specific to this virus. If I can know that, they certainly did!

They feed the misleadia disinformation, and it's not because they want to save lives. None of this is about public health

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Kholland65 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think people make the mistake of assuming health care professions are unbiased robots who don’t have personal agendas or emotions. I’m sure there are many people in various walks of health care who secretly want this to be bad so they achieve political wins both legislatively and at the polls.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well wanting it to be bad also glorifies their job, and possibly their pay. So yeah there's all that.

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SordidPontification 2 points ago +2 / -0

As I mentioned before, the RT-PCR tests are pretty accurate since they match specific RNA sequences in the virus. That much certainly isn't in question.

What is in question is how they're representing the antibody assays.

The problem I have isn't so much with the labs or the workers who are testing. It's in the bureaucracy. We know that a number of these counties/cities/hospitals are hurting for money. If they can find a way to pad their COVID-19 patient count, and get money for it, there's almost no way to guarantee that they won't.

That's wherein the rub lies.

Suffice to say I don't trust, e.g., NY.

It's not just limited to COVID either. I know of someone who went to hospital, was diagnosed with something fairly minor, and they were trying to push an expensive surgical intervention because they're hurting for cash right now. He declined.

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ikuyas 3 points ago +3 / -0

Knowing this, I get really surprised to hear somebody get negative result. It is actually very difficult to get negative result unless you've never had any cold-like symptoms. I've had at least 4-5 times I felt like I had a cold because I got some coughs and sinus annoyance since November or something. I got a cold last November which lasted for a few weeks, and had some symptoms 3-4 times since the end of March, which went away in a few or even next day.

I will be surprised to see if I have negative now. I should get positive if I take the test.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +1 / -0

The sad thing is that the RT-PCR tests are fairly accurate because they match a specific sequence of the viral RNA.

If they're combining questionable IgG/IgM testing to pad the positive results, this is a travesty because it means nothing is trustworthy at this point. They're tossing science out with the baby and the bathwater.

Because of that and what you described, I'd imagine two outcomes: If they're just using a RT-PCR test, you'll probably turn up negative. If they're using the antibody assay, you'll probably turn up positive.

Bonus third outcome: If they need money, you'll turn up positive.

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THELEADERSOFMEN 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have a cold at the moment (as do my two kids) and got tested a week ago. All three of us came back negative and it only took three days to get the results. I was honestly rather surprised.

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MehNahMehNah 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well shit. Gotta fix this too.

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TennesseePride 2 points ago +2 / -0

I want to say that the way cases were counted changed to consider every positive antibody test as a new case. They were in essence counting COVID cases that very well could have been someone coming into contact with any given coronavirus, in that case.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's nuts, I think.

As I mentioned to another poster, the RT-PCR tests are pretty accurate. If what has been posted here is true about the antibody tests, then they're deliberately muddying the water to pad results.

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NewUser1758 7 points ago +16 / -9

No, SARS-CoV-2 is just a cold, fewer people die of it than die in accidents each year.

Don't attempt to defend this nonsense ever again.

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TonsOfSalt 11 points ago +13 / -2

Don't attempt to defend this nonsense ever again.

I provided facts. You viewed them as me defending something. I was simply stating the way things are.

SARS-CoV-2 is beyond the common cold in terms of its virulence, but it is absolutely being overblown by the media. People of higher age and others with co-morbidities do get hit pretty hard by it. Younger healthier people handle it fine, statistically speaking.

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unicornpoop 1 point ago +1 / -0

We have no way of arguing the numbers, because hospitals have been fabricating the damn numbers for covid relief bucks. As low as they report, they are drastically LOWER in reality. Not even a normal flu season.

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rubberbiscuit 5 points ago +10 / -5

I don't think that's true. This hit some people very hard and killed many that were fairly young and some with no pre-existing conditions. Now, is it so bad they should have shut everything down? No, absolutely not.

We should have asked vulnerable populations - which we knew from Italy exactly who that is - to hole up but others should have gone about their lives to develop herd immunity so the others could come back out by now, without risk.

Fauci fucked this up big time. But I do think it was worse than a common cold or flu. And I also believe it weakened as the weeks went by. My daughter got this about 2 weeks ago and for her, yes, it was a cold. It didn't spread to anyone else in our household. But I had several relatives who had it really bad a couple months ago. All lived.

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Fhuck_yu 12 points ago +12 / -0

Fauci fucked this up big time.

No, he didn’t.

Fauci did exactly what his masters paid him to do. He is Satanist cabal scum, just like all of them, and he executed his mission flawlessly. He simultaneously convinced big businesses to torpedo the economy while giving states the green light to flush civil liberties down the toilet.

It was the Globalists wet dream, and they convinced everyone to LET them do it. No arguments, very little pushback, not a single shot fired and they got exactly what they wanted. Then they got to ice the cake with their manufactured riots.

Fauci didn’t fuck anything up. He tried, and failed, back in the 80s to do the exact same thing with AIDS. Too many people were still awake back then, too many people still able to think for themselves. He was close to getting away with it, but in the end he failed. Why do you think he stuck around so long in government? He had to redeem himself to his masters.

He couldn’t stand failing in his duties, and he finally pulled it off. Watch as he rides off into the sunset after November.

Like a Vampire, or most kinds of evil, they can’t inflict the harm on you directly. They have to convince others to do harm or convince you to harm yourself. Everyone has free will, given to us by God himself. That’s how you know COVID is bullshit, because they convince others to inflict the damage to economies, shut down businesses, wear masks. They just provide the illusion that the weak minded need to get on their knees and beg for their own captivity and servitude.

Fauci succeeded, and unfortunately no one stopped him. He succeeded wildly in his mission. Look around you.

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usausausa5000 6 points ago +11 / -5

I don't think that's true.

Every year a bunch of children die from influenza. The get a respiratory infection, it turns into pneumonia, and they die.

Is there a single fucking thing CNN could print that you wouldn't immediately believe in it's entirety?

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hkermit -1 points ago +1 / -2

Sperg alert

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NewUser1758 1 point ago +1 / -0

I had it and I sat in my chair all day and I was recovered. My wife had it and she was sick for a few days.

The people getting hit hard by it are unhealthy people to begin with, they'd be hit hard by anything so it's easy to keep the scam going.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Glad you're better! As far as we can tell, by looking at it the same way the disease does, the one risk group is oxidative stress. This includes old age, diabetes, high blood pressure, and morbid obesity. Probably some other things I don't know about.

One way we can tell health authorities aren't doing anything to try to save lives is they never told us what we can do to boost our innate immune system, or how important antioxidants are with this. It's all the same whether we're trying to stay healthy or fighting off the infection. There's no way a mask does that much good, and certainly HCQ used correctly does a lot more good, but even that won't work so well in a person with an immune system weakened by lockdown.

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Pederrr 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's a cold that can cause serious symptoms in the old and frail. That's why it killed so many in nursing homes but it only killed them a few weeks or months earlier than they would've died otherwise.

The flu can kill a bunch of people, and it does, but like covid 1984 most people have no to very mild symptoms.

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Yawnz13 -3 points ago +2 / -5

LOL okay tough guy, what're you going to do about it?

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Cyer6 10 points ago +10 / -0

I was supposed to have a medical procedure done but they said I had to have a CV screening before. I cancelled it and told them why. I'm not going to be entered into the government database with their case tracers and other bullshit. I haven't been sick with anything, but it could come back positive because we know they're being disingenuous and even falsifying lab results.

Then they would be contacting my family members who could then have their jobs at risk. I'm not playing their game and that procedure can hold. On that same note, the gal I spoke with at the medical office was based and completely understood my reason for cancelling. She knew exactly what it means to be screened.

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NewUser1758 8 points ago +8 / -0

Don't take the test unless your life is in danger without the procedure, people have literally been imprisoned due to false positive tests.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 4 points ago +4 / -0

People have actually been KILLED due to false positive tests, negative tests, and about every other situation that involves being ventilated for no sane reason.

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Cyer6 2 points ago +2 / -0

Like most of us here, I'm not a tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist. At the very beginning, I was uncertain about the virus and what it really was. It was then revealed to those paying attention what it became, a political tool for society manipulation.

There is NOTHING about CV the media or government (feds, state and local) can tell me that I would believe. I distrust all of them. I do trust Trump because I believe he's really trying to find a way out of this that is quick and doesn't involve any tyranny or destruction of the economy.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

GOOD FOR YOU!

I wish more people understood this. And they say our healthcare system is systemic racism? Oy vey.

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BladeX10 3 points ago +4 / -1

This just happened a good friend of mine in late July, There was a prison outbreak so they forced all the staff to get tested, He tested positive despite having zero symptoms meanwhile his wife and their kid tested negative but the state(CA) sent the whole family(including his parents since he visited them a few days prior) orders with each of their names printed on them saying they have to spend 14 days quarantined or face a fine or jail. THE ENTIRE FAMILY. Meanwhile my friend tested negative 6 days later. So that potential fake positive caused 3 people in the family to have to give up their jobs for 2 weeks family friends had to go to the grocery store for them since they had a CA order saying they are basically under house arrest.

DO NOT GET TESTED IF YOU ARE NOT SICK.

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Cyer6 1 point ago +1 / -0

We know this shit is going on. I'm in Texas and I still don't trust any of them right now. Spend a little time here on T_D and you pick up a lot of information that's not covered by the media or is being completely suppressed. We're also good about providing legit, based sources to information and that's what makes T_D such a great place!

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Gwoz8881 6 points ago +6 / -0

We need reparations for not being locked down for all of history!

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Wtf_socialismreally 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not so; there are a good number of coronavirus, and one of them is the most prevalent strain of common cold that essentially everyone will catch.

What this proves is that the numbers mean fuck-all if testing can be positive for people who have had ANY coronavirus.

It also proves a flawed methodology if the testing can't specifically pinpoint this virus.

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firestorm117 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right? Makes me wonder if the antibodies for the common cold will work against the kung flu

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NewUser1758 2 points ago +2 / -0

Of course they do.

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truthforchange 1 point ago +1 / -0

No no no... what they just admitted was the HCQ protocol (HCQ+ZINC+ZPAK) IS THE CURE for the common cold. :)

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Dirk_Diggler 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Always has been."

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booblitchutz 1 point ago +1 / -0

The common cold is often coronavirus.

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Grond999 1 point ago +1 / -0

Same can apply to some "HIV" tests. A cold can produce a positive. I know someone who was "positive" and later tested negative once the cold went.

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Sum_devil 1 point ago +1 / -0

America defeated by the cold.

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Reellyschmahht 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've read that article. According to the article, the body produces the same antibodies to fight common cold as rona. Influenza a and b are not the same

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OnlySlightlyNaughty 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was looking at the death rate for 2020. The death rate per capita doesn’t seem to be really changing. I think the reasons for cause of death seem different.

Anyone else want to confirm the numbers I’m seeing?

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TrumpsFavorite -2 points ago +1 / -3

About 30% of the viruses that cause “the common cold” (which is really a multitude of different illnesses) are coronaviruses. The COVID19 tests are testing for genetic coronavirus markers, meaning if you’ve had the common cold there is a good chance you will test positive. It also means COVID19 is literally a hoax. It literally does not exist. It is all one big lie.

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TrumpsFavorite -1 points ago +1 / -2

A family of viruses known as coronaviruses exist. COVID19 stands for COronavirus IDentified in 2019. The claim is they have found a new member of this family that is far deadlier and more contagious than any other. The reality is there is now new coronavirus.

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TrumpsFavorite -1 points ago +1 / -2

Lmao

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TonsOfSalt 14 points ago +14 / -0

For the antibody test, yes.

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shipoutofdanger 36 points ago +37 / -1

holy crap, people. We covered this like 3 months ago.

They are combining antibody tests with "regular test" and calling them both cases.

So yes, you could take this worthless antibody test, get a positive result for having common cold antibodies, and then be counted as an "official case".

And then yes, in some states and counties, anyone who has close contact with you who shows ANY signs of "covid", like... a headache or sneezes or any regular cold or allergy symptom that happens EVERY YEAR... will be also counted as an "official case".

It's ridiculous that we have to keep repeating this. But such is the news cycle these days.

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TonsOfSalt 10 points ago +10 / -0

I'm not disagreeing with you, but a lot of people don't understand the difference between an antibody test vs. the test to see if you currently have the virus.

The antibody test in particular is the one that can't differentiate between coronavirus and SARS-CoV-2.

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shipoutofdanger 5 points ago +5 / -0

yes, you are correct.

Unfortunately our County and Federal Health Departments can't (won't) tell the difference either.

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TonsOfSalt 7 points ago +7 / -0

Yeah, the conflating of tests is ridiculous. I'm torn between it being incompetence or political malice to inflate bad numbers.

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shipoutofdanger 9 points ago +9 / -0

it's both.

the incompetence is the complete lack of oversight of their obvious political malice.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Don't be torn. And don't think the malice is limited to merely inflating numbers, spreading panic. We have TONS of evidence of what they're up to:

  1. Fauci does have financial interest in medicines that compete with HCQ. Which doesn't mean he isn't serving the agenda to kill as many of us as possible.

  2. Cuomo isn't the only one who denied sick people medicine. Fewer than 10 Governors let people have HCQ as an outpatient! Here in WI you can't get it even if you've been on it all your life and failure to get it can kill you. He claims he has nothing to do with it and blames it on the medical boards. The Governor of SD proves that one Governor can stand up tot he bureaucracy and WIN.

  3. Cuomo isn't the only one who put CCPvirus patients in the same ROOM with healthy people in nursing homes as a permanent residence. Half the Nation's dead came about this way.

  4. If they cared about public health, they would've immediately told us that lockdowns are the worst thing for our immune systems, and what to do to strengthen our innate immune system.

  5. Plannedemic came before failed shampeachment ended. Had DJT not been distracted, he could've responded better.

  6. Plannedriots came as plannedemic was losing steam, and predictably created the recent spike. Age 29 and younger have TRIPLE the numbers they ever did before! Yet health Officials cover for it, all doling out the same message that was obviously planned in advance.

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Yawnz13 1 point ago +4 / -3

I doubt even most County or Federal Health Department workers know the difference either. LPN nursing doesn't go very deep into hard science, and I'd bet most nurses brain dump that shit as soon as exams are over because most of their job is more about treatment and paperwork procedure versus in-depth hard science.

Same goes for most of the doctors too. I'd wager the majority are family practice specialties, which doesn't exactly require one to maintain any kind of detailed knowledge on virology and/or immunology. They fix booboos and ouchies and give yearly shots. Anything requiring more than that, they send up the chain to a specialist.

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shipoutofdanger 1 point ago +1 / -0

sure, but the end responsibility is on the data reporting. Those are the County and Fed officials who should know better... it's their job to know better and verify.

Except they aren't doing that. Intentionally.

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Yawnz13 0 points ago +2 / -2

Not really, they just report the numbers they're given. None of them have the hard science background required in order to "verify" anything. None of them are healthcare workers, they're bean-counting administrators.

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_Sully_ 3 points ago +3 / -0

PCR test is also plagued with false positives. Even the inventor of the test said it’s especially susceptible to false positives (false negatives do happen but the nature of this method skews far to the false positive). Every test has the potential to give a false positive and it’s heavily influenced by the tech that runs it. If you run enough cycles there is a point where it will throw a positive.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes! IABS - It's all bullshit.

65 x running the PCR and everyone's positive. So they stop at 38. Close enough for nuclear bombs, horseshoes - and government work.

Accuracy isn't even attempted. It's all about installing OWG.

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TonsOfSalt 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

This is dangerous in so many ways. Let's assume the virus actually is deadly for the sake of argument. False positives will allocate much needed resources to people who don't need it, including contract tracing on someone who never had it. False positives could swing the mortality in either direction. If they test everyone in the hospital, someone dying of plain old renal failure or cancer with a false positive would increase the mortality rate. On the other end, routine testing of healthy people would decrease the "mortality rate" since they obviously can't die from a false positive.

Basically, garbage data leads to garbage conclusions.

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_Sully_ 3 points ago +3 / -0

Garbage in, garbage out. Apparently, the Abbott test is the best method but it’s expensive. Trump did mention wanting to get the Abbott test far and wide. Best part about it, no back if the nose swab. Also, you can get results in 15 minutes.

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ProphetOfKek 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is literally what happened with Alyssa Milano. Who tested negative on the pcr test.

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Asykes88 3 points ago +3 / -0

BUT SHE'S LOSING HER HAIR

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +1 / -0

It depends on the jurisdiction. My county health department does not include antibody tests. They only report confirmed COVID-19 cases, with the nose swab and a PCR.

I won't claim my entire state does this, because I don't follow the 200+ counties. But, my state mandates that all confirmed cases require a PCR test. They have a separate classification for ""probable" cases, and a positive antibody test is only considered "probable" if the symptoms meet the clinical criteria.

Some counties in my state may be combining "confirmed" and "probable" cases in their reporting. But, my county does not.

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shipoutofdanger 1 point ago +1 / -0

that's funny... because my original post said "in some states and counties"

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

Yes, you did. I was expounding on your point, using my particular county as an example.

My county health department posts a summary of confirmed cases and confirmed deaths on Facebook every day. And nearly every day, someone that just started reading it asks about antibody tests.

I think the person making the health dept. post has a copypasta to reply every time: "No, we only report confirmed cases. We do not collect or report antibody test results".

Spez: state guidelines permit the use of antibody tests to count a case as probable, if the patient is also exhibiting symptoms at the time. But, it's not clear (to me) if all counties are excluding it from the new cases they report to the state every day.

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ikuyas 1 point ago +1 / -0

goldfish...

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CrimsonClown 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was absent when this happened, can you link me to a source for the double counting? I can see where the false positive accusations are coming from but I don’t know where the double dipping accusation is coming from. I assume this was covered early when I wasn’t active.

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shipoutofdanger 2 points ago +2 / -0

watch this video from Texas - County public meeting. Start at around 32 minute mark: https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's worse than merely double counting. tons of people got out of line instead of waiting hours to be tested. They were given positive test results.

Tons of Drs have sent off 6 tests that were never used to get tested, and had them all return positive.

We should be going by Dr diagnosis, and immediately giving medicine to those at risk. This could've been brought to a screeching halt in March! 40+ Governors are mass murderers. We should file class action lawsuits, both civil and criminal, against their every act of tyranny. Then physically remove them from Office under citizen's arrest for mass murder.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

That video is over 2 hours long and I'm not saying it's not worth watching the whole thing. 16:15 shows a screen shot of one major problem. 15:30 introduces this speaker, who is a purple haired land whale that starts at 16:00. Or maybe that's a Muslim head covering over more normal hair? Either way, we see what it takes to peddle this bs.

Easily multiply actual cases by 10. Deaths? Who knows, but it's exaggerated and many Drs from all over the Country have come forward about this.

Look at the total death rate from all causes and we are below 2019 and all other recent years. That could not happen if we were dealing with a deadly pandemic.

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FireannDireach 12 points ago +12 / -0

Yep. But in a lot of states, testing positive means quarantine. Mandatory. I've had no flu or cold symptoms since this all started, so I haven't bothered. I just think it's too risky.

The hilarious thing is - and fucking maddening - is I get allergies, most of the year. I can take OTC like Flonase, and I'm fine, but if I forget, then it's sniffles and teary eyes, the whole deal - and morons think I have covid. IT'S NOT FUCKING COVID, I'M NOT COUGHING, MORON. So i carry a bottle of Flonase, instead of a phone.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're lucky. I normally get allergies, and don't respond well to medication. Fortunately for me that's only during growing season, which is short in WI. Labor Day is typically my worst.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +1 / -0

The initial spread of COVID-19 to my state from NY/CT/NJ (and the rest of the US) coincided with the start of spring allergy season. Due to a mild winter, the crap in the air was much worse than usual, and people that normally didn't have significant allergic reactions were experiencing them for the first time. So, a lot of people were panicking. But, a couple of days of Zyrtec and Flonase was all they needed to get it under control.

If I don't keep my allergies under control, I get a lot of sinus drainage into my throat while I sleep, and the irritation causes a dry cough during the day. I carry a bottle of water if it gets too bad.

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Kweebecker 2 points ago +2 / -0

I also cough as a side-effect of (3-seasons, ugh) seasonal allergies.

I don't smoke, but instead of trying to explain to people the process behind allergies and an immune system because most people without allergies seem incredibly uneducated on the subject, I just say "smoker's cough, don't fly into a tizzy".

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1A_FTW 5 points ago +5 / -0

Sounds like it

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BasedRedPillZeus 4 points ago +4 / -0

These tests are garbage, useless, a SCAM. The creator of the PCR even stated that they are useless in the diagnosis of disease.

They are a perfect way to pump up numbers though.

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your_MOM 4 points ago +4 / -0

lmao defund the CDC. They have no idea what they are doing. Get in some doctors, not partisan hacks

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CMDRConanAAnderson 4 points ago +4 / -0

ALL of them

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swimminginthoughts 3 points ago +3 / -0

I took an antibody test a while ago. My test specifically said that if I had the cold or flu recently that it would show up. This is the flu, nothing more.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

That doesn't mean it's the flu, or a cold. It means our body defeats it with the same mechanisms, which is what I speculated as soon as antibody test results started being discussed here. Of course I was downvoted to oblivion by those claiming I know nothing about how the human immune system works.

So far we are unable to differentiate between antibodies to this specific virus vs antibodies to other similar viruses. Which does NOT mean that the advanced stage of the disease is even remotely similar!

What we should've been focused on all along is getting medicine to those at risk of having the disease progress, before it ever has a chance to do so. We would've reduced the number of dead by 95%, or more. Which is more effective than any vaccine has ever been.

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swimminginthoughts 1 point ago +1 / -0

But, can we all agree that it's basically the flu? This really sucks for a small (really small) percentage of people, and so does the flu!

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

In the sense that there are many different strains of flu, I'll grant you that. Although medically it's not true. And the real difference is this was created in a lab as a bioweapon. It has bits of RNA that are AIDS, and it binds perfectly with ACE2 receptors, which exist all through our blood vessels and in our nose as well as in our lungs. There are differences between individuals re: how many of those we have, but we don't know any trends.

Currently the mortality rate is about like the flu. It could be that's due to mutation, and by all counts it should mutate to be less deadly. It might even mutate out of being able to infect people, which would be really nice. It's also possible this is a typical seasonal variation and by November - January (depending on how far north you live) this will be back as least as troublesome as ever.

One real bitch of this is if masks do any good at all they do the least good now and the most good during typical dry winter indoor conditions. So we didn't have masks when they might've helped, and we're subjected to suffering for no good reason when they're useless.

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stonepony 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is also how you explain away all the people who were rubber-stamped Covid cases. Some of them actually do get the virus later, and then you need to explain how they've had it multiple times.

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HartianX 2 points ago +2 / -0

Part of the reason it feels like they're trying to conflate coronaviruses with covid specifically. Saw an article on bing weeks ago for a second that said "8 new strands of coronavirus", not covid just coronavirus strands.

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TheTPL 2 points ago +2 / -0

Here's the other kicker: At any given time someone can take a nasal swab of a perfectly healthy individual and find five or more such viruses present, yet the person isn't sick because their immune system is doing its job.

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dreadnt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Only antibody tests.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Pretty much. So many people test positive and don’t even have any symptoms. I am so over this hype. College football should not be canceled. Resume all normal activities and move forward. Life is not about living in a quarantine, I guarantee if we opened up our country and just went on with life as normal, not much would change compared to a normal year in terms of death rate and hospitalizations overall.

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago +2 / -0

The antibody tests. Not the antigen tests. Antibody tests never should be used to diagnose covid.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Same should be said for the PCR test. That's what the person who developed it said.

The mechanics of the way it works doesn't have accuracy as a goal. A Dr's diagnosis is more accurate. Spending money on testing is ridiculous at this point, and has been for months. It's designed to bankrupt the US.

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riverc 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah. Antibody tests apparently... suck

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truthforchange 2 points ago +2 / -0

If by "just" you mean months ago, then yes.

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misterLahey 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes. But it doesn't matter. Even dedicated NPCs know by now exactly what this flu hoax is all about, and they're going to play along and virtuously signal their participation in the charade for another 83.5 days.

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tonightm89 1 point ago +1 / -0

They never did. Don't know why people thought the tests did.

Antibodies are just your body's reaction to infection.

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proDeoEtPatria 80 points ago +80 / -0 (edited)

There was video of an epic smack down from a Californian man fed up with the lockdown bullshit and he told off his city council with this. Why lockdown when 99% of healthy people have immune systems that neutralize the virus.

“This is not a crisis, but you have created one. You have us panicked over 51 total hospitalization in a county with 8 hospitals! can you people even do basic math?! In an attempt to end all deaths, you have ended all relevant life”.

Wish I could find the video.

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al-phabitz89 16 points ago +16 / -0

Ok I’m confused. Is this what real journalism is supposed to look like ?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 10 points ago +10 / -0

Don't be confused. For many years now, the only real journalism has been done either by independent citizens, or independent news agencies like OANN.

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CrimsonClown 8 points ago +8 / -0

Blessed be the!

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1776forever1776 5 points ago +5 / -0

Murdered by words.

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randomvirus 73 points ago +73 / -0

SILENCE CITIZEN. WEAR YOUR MASK. STAY INDOORS. SAVE LIVES.

OBEY OR FACE DETENTION.

REMEMBER WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

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ProphetOfKek 29 points ago +29 / -0

Wear your mask for your zoom calls too. And goggles. And a butt plug.

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A_Triggered_NPC 17 points ago +17 / -0

FLATTEN THE CURVE YOU MASK DENYING WHITE PRIVILEGED BIGOT

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Live_Free_1776 10 points ago +10 / -0

NEW NORMAL

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50blessings 5 points ago +6 / -1

It's a misdemeanor to not socially distance in my cucked county in California. Nobody really gives a shit though so lol. The vast majority of people in my town don't wear masks when exercising at one of the schools. Kids are doing sports training and stuff. Fuck these stupid regulations.

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KyleRules 55 points ago +56 / -1

Whole thing is such an obvious scam. Sad that media has so much control of our nation.

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GiliusThunderhead 38 points ago +38 / -0

The virus is real, the news is fake.

The media turned a respiratory flu in to an anti-trump campaign.

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Palmertabs 48 points ago +50 / -2

Had the Rona. I had a headache, runny nose and total loss of smell. Felt better after about two - three days of symptoms but smell is still returning and pretty much almost back to normal.

Spilled gasoline on my hands and literally couldn’t smell it. Shit was wild.

Other than that, it was a walk in the park.

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lilbuffkitty 29 points ago +29 / -0

TL:DR spilling gasoline on your hands cure the rona

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Incindir 19 points ago +20 / -1

So you were doing some normal healthy manly shit and didn't suffer any negative consequences.

Go figure.

Hoaxvid 19

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Work2gethrBiglyOrDie 10 points ago +10 / -0

I had trouble smelling earlier this year, maybe I had it. I was taking at least 2k IU D and a bit of daily zinc at the time just in case so maybe that's part of why I had almost no symptoms.

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ProphetOfKek 8 points ago +8 / -0

Other viruses can cause lack of smell too. More common with the Rona from what I understand.

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BasedRedPillZeus 6 points ago +6 / -0 (edited)

The cold and the flu both cause loss of smell. These PCR tests are garbage and you likely had a normal bug not the fake COVID.

They now have your positive test to justify more draconian lockdown bullshit.

DONT GET TESTED PEOPLE. It feeds into the scam.

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Mamapede 2 points ago +2 / -0

I had the rona too and total loss of smell and taste for about 3 days. Not the normal cold congestion like some people think it is. I could hold a bottle of acetone nail polish remover to my nose and not smell it at all. The other odd symptom was burning nose - like the sensation of getting pool water up your nose. That lasted for a good two weeks. Overall I’d say it’s a regular cold but with a few different/weird symptoms.

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Palmertabs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hey yeah I had that sensation too like the pool water burning thing. Like hot air was up there too. Dunno what that was about.

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Crimson_Identity 37 points ago +37 / -0

It doesn't matter what facts we can give out. People don't want facts anymore, they want to exercise their confirmation bias.

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Work2gethrBiglyOrDie 5 points ago +5 / -0

For anyone at risk and for Pedes of Color ( that likely need more vitamin D than average) here's a good article. Search quercetin there too. Fake news hates him https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/07/09/optimal-vitamin-d-levels-for-coronavirus-crisis.aspx

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powershellder 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks for sharing but it wouldn’t let me read u less I subscribed.

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Work2gethrBiglyOrDie 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sorry I forgot that, I think a fake email should work without signup.

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dontCensorMeBro 31 points ago +32 / -1 (edited)

Corona plandemic = biggest hoax in our century.

It is not distinguished who dies WITH and who dies BECAUSE of Covid19.

Deceased humans are often NOT even tested, on CDC's advise, it is "valid" to determine COVID19 as death cause BASED ON SPECULATION (no test needed).

Even if tested, tests have 50-80% false positive rates. Meaning that testing multiple times gives out random results. Negative, negative, negative, positive, negative, etc.
Patients are tested multiple times until "positive" appears.

Papayas and goats test positive too, as Tanzania's president found out. https://youtu.be/FvqeloNqPWE

Even if you take the fake statistic's death numbers, of world wide 700.000 deceased "due to COVID", you get a 0.0079% death rate for total world population (as of July).

rounded up, Covid-19, the "most dangerous virus in our lifes" had officially caused

0,0% deaths worldwide

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 5 points ago +5 / -0

Don't think socialism is the end goal. that is OWG, One World Government. Make us all paupers and serfs, going back to feudal times. these same sick fucks invented capitalism and communism as ad hoc concepts to push this so that all the world's resources would be controlled by as few as possible.

And they have the mindless horde on the street doing their bidding, when a few years ago they were Occupy Wall Street.

Granted, the transition might look like a socialist takeover, or a Chinese takeover. Their plan is worse.

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Donald_Trump 25 points ago +25 / -0

If everyone who died with the common cold was counted as a common cold death, millions would die from the common cold every year.

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randomusename 16 points ago +17 / -1

Oh the same common cold they have never been able to make a vaccine for?

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 6 points ago +8 / -2

CORRECT! This is both a RNA virus and a coronovirus. Never has a vaccine been possible for either. Never has a vaccine been more than 90% effective. Dr Zelenko's protocol is 95 - 97.4% effective

Spending a dime on a vaccine is worse than stupid, it's all done for show to advance their evil agenda.

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DankoJones84 14 points ago +15 / -1 (edited)

I was just thinking today: I don't remember any of the things we're currently dealing with happening during H1N1. We didn't shut the entire country down and force an economic depression on ourselves over it. We weren't shamed and treated like heretics for not wearing masks in public. It was just business as usual. I remember hearing that there was a bad flu going around, but that was it.

So why has the reaction been so drastically different this time? Is this the new normal? Are we going to have to commit economic suicide again every time some new bug comes around? Am I going to have to walk around wearing a germ-infested face diaper for the rest of my damn life, even if I'm not sick?

edit: according to the CDC, influenza kills between 12000 and 61000 Americans annually. Why don't we have to go into total shutdown mode over that every year?

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highenergywinning 11 points ago +11 / -0 (edited)

Trump. Thats the difference

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uberswank99 3 points ago +4 / -1

Well he's doing everything he can to feed into it, it seems.

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highenergywinning 3 points ago +3 / -0

I understand what youre saying. The deep state is deep

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 8 points ago +8 / -0

20% of the US caught H1N1. Maybe 24%, which is consistent with the worldwide estimate. Biden's chief of staff said nothing they did had anything to do with it not killing more people. (yet commulibs try comparing Obama's response favorably to DJT's)

The hypocrisy is staggering! where's my killdozer?

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MAGAnic316 12 points ago +12 / -0

It's totally a real pandemic though, no way the numbers could be inflated at all 👍

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MuslimMAGA 12 points ago +12 / -0

Coronavirus is a family of viruses so they share dna. Their point is just because you test positive doesn’t mean you have covid19. Which is why I personally don’t agree with massive wide scale testing. Just test the ones who show suggestive symptoms and bother to come to the clinic to get checked out.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 5 points ago +5 / -0

Very sensible. Widescale testing is yet another means to bankrupt the US.

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MuslimMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

All widescale testing does is show a grim picture to give the people a perception of a deadly contagious disease which is not the reality. So it can be used to manipulate public opinion

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__roost__ 11 points ago +11 / -0

ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS SHIT

god damn i sick of hearing about the god damn flu

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

That all stopped when plannedriots began, remember? Between that and plannedemic they can save the rest of their deadman switches as long as possible. They want their never to be another election.

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phil_d_snutz 9 points ago +9 / -0

What's the source of this screenshot? I'd like to share this but I already know I'll get grief if they don't know the source.

edit: Found it - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html

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YouGotbbQd 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you

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Scroon 7 points ago +7 / -0

This is what I figure based on personal experience, anecdotals accounts, and all this back and forth data...

  1. At the initial release, COVID was real, and it was nasty, weird, and highly contagious.

  2. As time went on, the virus started to mutate away from its lab-created potency. (Think of it like a purebred dog population left to interbreed in the wild.) This created branches of related strains that each showed some of, but not all, the aspects of the original strain. Some cause loss of smell, some cough, some diarrhea, etc. Some are more severe than others.

  3. In the late stage, where we are now, COVID has now mostly regressed to a "wildtype" coronavirus, meaning that the various strain genomes have stabilized to a potency and virulence on par with non-engineered viruses.

This theory explains the greatly varied accounts of COVID symptoms and severity, and it suggests that this version of the virus was "rushed out" from the lab before the genome was fully stabilized.

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TehAgent 4 points ago +4 / -0

ding ding ding

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avalon 2 points ago +2 / -0

If this is true, that's really good news.

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highenergywinning 6 points ago +6 / -0

proves this is not about some new deadly virus. Its all political. To stop Trump from having rallies and to hurt Trumps economy

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's FAR bigger than just that! They would prefer there never be another election

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

These are but a few ways of boosting our innate immune system, which was weakened due to lockdown. If health Officials cared about public health, why didn't they tell us about this?

Glad you and yours are better :)

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wakingmajority 4 points ago +4 / -0

I mentioned this to a female doctor and she laughed at me. Doctors have lost a lot of credibility during this whole covid bullshit.

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Maxberg 4 points ago +4 / -0

Defund CDC. I'm over all this. Been in phase 2 since the end of May. Over All the crazies at the salon.. if you're that afraid don't come in!

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YouKnowWhatItIs87 4 points ago +4 / -0

Biggest public health scam ever perpetrated on the American people. By now people seem so set in their ways, it’s been over 5 months, a lot of people I meet are on my side, but at this point, good luck convincing any mask Nazis that it’s a scam. They’re in too deep.

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UnitedWeStand 4 points ago +4 / -0

HONK HONK

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Magastein143 3 points ago +4 / -1

I would like to add.... you know how Facebook is declaring it "fake news" that people are getting fungal infections from wearing a mask and breathing your own recycled dirty air? Well, that does happen and I know a 70 year old lady who got falsely diagnosed COVID and they said it looked bad for her. Then the family thought she had a fungal infection from her mask.... took antibiotics... better/home in 2 days!

Also, I have proof it lowers your oxygen levels especially with those that have existing lunch problems/smokers.

Burn your mask!

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BlueEyeDevil 4 points ago +4 / -0

"Also, I have proof it lowers your oxygen levels especially with those that have existing lunch problems/smokers."

It's not the mask. It's the underlying conditions associated with lung disease and with smoking.

I wear a mask 12-16 hours a day. It's a bit stuffy normally, and very uncomfortable when we have to code a patient. My O2 sat stays above 97% even after multiple rounds of chest compressions, and so does my co-workers.

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Magastein143 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

yes, I jumped the gun. My proof is with people with underlying problems wearing a mask. But some places are saying they don't care if you have asthma you must wear a mask. When the gyms were opened, a member with asthma got walked out by police for not wearing his mask and he wasn't even within 6 ft of anyone. I just get frustrated with the tyrannical enforcement of it all.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

"Existing lunch problems"

Autocorrect strikes again! It's been hysterical here the past few days

Fortunately the CDC does say if you have trouble breathing do not wear a mask

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SecretMAGAgoirl 1 point ago +1 / -0

The issue with the infection from the mask is that you’re suppose to wash them or let them bake in the sun to kill off other types of bacteria that will collect.

Leaving them hanging in the sun, in the car, is totally fine... but you’re still going to get them dirty with the impurities and oils on your face.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is what I said as soon as antibody testing came out and everybody here was so sure so many had it. How do they know an antibody they find is specific to CCPvirus?

ANSWER: they don't. They just know your body killed off something like that. So let's spend all this money to create serum from people who had a cold. If that works, GREAT. But HCQ is cheaper, and works for almost everybody.

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IDGAF-DT2020 3 points ago +3 / -0

Very Fake News...to very fake virus...at least the government over reaction...

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Nezmith 2 points ago +3 / -1

Just a friendly reminder that you WILL test positive whether you took the test or not.

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Magaman001142 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yup. AT LEAST 20% of all positives are not actually infected with Corona.

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Keep_on_winning_kag 2 points ago +2 / -0

Point number two totally admits that having a vaccine would also prove pointless as it won't block the chance of getting it 100%, try maybe 5%.

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riverc 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't think any vaccine is 100%. Flu vaccine is notoriously poor.

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1A2A 2 points ago +2 / -0

"there is a chance"

What percentage? 100%? Yea I'm guessing 100%.

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Caulder1776 2 points ago +2 / -0

Aside from this being weaponized, there will never be a "cure" or "vaccine" because we've never been able to cure the common cold to begin with. This will haunt us forever.

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chalupa123 2 points ago +2 / -0

So my positive will get added to the total then.

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riverc 1 point ago +1 / -0

the upside is the CFR will drop bigly. That's the way it works.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

As many times as you test positive, yes.

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auntjemima 2 points ago +2 / -0

What a giant joke...

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Gruk 2 points ago +2 / -0

I live in New Zealand, have had a lingering cold for a few weeks now. Have just been tested for kung flu. I'll be interested to see what comes back.

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powershellder 2 points ago +2 / -0

Meanwhile, my friend had it and is donating plasma.

They test him for antibodies each time. He was told the antibodies only last 2 months. Crock of shit.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

How long have his antibodies been good?

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powershellder 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well here’s the thing. He got sick in April. They didn’t have tests then, so they just told him he probably had it and to stay home.

Later took the antibody test and had antibodies for it. When they donate, the donation center said 2-6 months immunity, but I guess he still has enough and qualifies to donate.

The whole thing is really suspicious because (correct me if I’m wrong) once you have antibodies to these types of viruses, you are immune for life. You only “re-catch” them if they mutate. Even for diseases that can come back, usually its decades later (like shingles from the chickenpox virus). I have never heard anything about any immunity that lasts that shortly, and I read quite a bit about stuff like this.

I didn’t want to spend too much time grilling him because he’s a casual acquaintance, but it doesn’t add up for me.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well this whole plannedemic doesn't add up except that globomohos want the US to fall, which is a goal they've been working towards since 1913 with the creation of the Fed.

As it happens my Mom deliberately got me a case of the chicken pox in 1969, on my first ever Christmas vacation. I was miserable the whole time, and didn't miss one speck of school. Every female on her side of the family spent their last many decades of life miserable with shingles, and it's the exact same virus. So I'm prone to that problem, and developed some persistent nasty symptoms since lockdown started. I'm 5 years too young to get the vaccine, and haven't found any other treatment. And a vaccine with symptoms is probably a bad idea generally. Which is to say I've looked into all this a LOT since February.

Anyway, the common cold is something we beat only by the normal human immune response. The old saying goes you get over a cold in 2 weeks without medicine, but with medicine it only takes 14 days. We catch a cold again precisely because said immunity is not lifelong. How long immunity lasts varies, but generally after recovery we're weaker, not stronger. So it is possible we develop antibodies to CCPvirus that aren't lifelong, aren't complete, and who the fuck knows really.

It was always wrong to claim no human has any resistance to this. It's 78% the same as either SARS or some other coronavirus I'm not sure which, and our immune response is apparently identical to ALL of it. Which is what I suspected from day 1 of antibody testing being announced. So whatever is being learned about this is being mostly obscured by disinformation, and that is quite obviously deliberate.

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powershellder 2 points ago +2 / -0

From what I’ve heard, the shingles vaccine is pretty nasty.

I’ve heard good things about lysine supplementation. It works to suppress viral replication of herpes viruses (same family), and there are promising preliminary studies for shingles treatment.

I like to read scientific studies on google scholar for my data. Might be a low cost/low risk treatment option for you.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wow! Lysine has promising preliminary treatment for shingles treatment? Now you're talking my language :) OTC, cheap, no risk of side effects

Yeah since I've got weird neuropathy that even might be associated with shingles, I'd hate to try the vaccine for fear of flaring it up when otherwise I might be able to beat it and not suffer with it.

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powershellder 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sort of difficult to find original studies, but here’s one I found:

Studies indicate that the process of VZV replication extracts lysine from the blood stream. The virus attempts to use lysine as it would use arginine—to make protein VII, an arginine-rich protein component of the viral core. However, this attempt fails. Thus, lysine acts like an arginine substitute, “fooling” the virus and preventing it from replicating and causing outbreaks.

Vol. 2 No. 4 2013 www.thepharmajournal.com Page | 25.

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Logan_Viking 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm literally just getting over a cold, and thankfully it doesn't look like my work is gonna require a 'rona test. If people who weren't even tested are getting positive results, I'm like 95% sure if I got tested they'd say I'm positive.

A small part of me wants that so I can say "yeah I had Covid. It was a bad flu like I get every year, NBD." But on the other hand I don't want to deal with all the potential crap I might have to with a positive test. 2 week quarantine? My family have to quarantine? Who knows what else; no thanks!

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 1 point ago +1 / -0

NO testing is the right way forward. Massive testing only contributes to bankrupting the US.

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Hivetyrant36 2 points ago +2 / -0

COVID IS JUST THE COMMON COLD. STOP THINKING IT'S NOT.

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AlphaOmaga 2 points ago +2 / -0

Every person I know that got a positive test was later told after other testing they were negative.

2 have told me that when they did the contact tracing call/form that their entire family was listed positive (potential) so if we just talk about those two, that’s 10 false positives right there.

They don’t go back and “fix the data”. And they don’t tell people they changed what the “data” is starting July.

It’s bad science at this point and they should be ashamed to use the word “science” when attacking people.

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VetforTrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, the original virus before you put the hiv element in it

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thelastlast 2 points ago +2 / -0

no, to clarify, you will DEFINITELY test positive if you just had a cold and still have enough antibodies.

the test is not specific. AMAZING THEY DONT TELL US THIS AMIRITE

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frombeyondthegates 2 points ago +2 / -0

How long does a virus stay in your body? Not the stupid coronavirus, which the internet keeps bringing up when I search, but just any virus in general? Is there a set time before it leaves the body? Is it always there forever?

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Cornpop 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’d say it Differs and depends on your immune system and your body’s ability to fight it.

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frombeyondthegates 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also a good thought!

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AbrahamLincoln 2 points ago +2 / -0

My (poor) understanding of medicine says that antibodies stay in your system forever, which is why you only get chicken pox once, your body then has the antibodies to fight it off the next time you're exposed to it. I may be entirely misunderstanding how it works though.

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frombeyondthegates 1 point ago +1 / -0

That was my understanding as well. So it would be safe to say, if you have had a common cold (coronavirus) once in your life, you will probably test positive? Seems fishy.

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Trumpbooty 1 point ago +1 / -0

"there is a chance we" does not mean "it is likely"

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bovineblitz 1 point ago +1 / -0

If you had a viral cold, that is. Most colds (~75%) are bacterial.

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WillyP702 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just for legal reasons they have to sneak the truth in there. haha So when this is over you can't go after them. They can always say "We clearly stated that you could have the common cold."

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Banjopicker74 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can we get links to source material when we post this stuff?

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ThirteenPercenter 1 point ago +1 / -0

To be fair the quoted article neither says nor implies a common cold will “likely” yield a false positive.

There’s no need to exaggerate to make a point here. We are better than that.

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CaptainChrisPBacon 1 point ago +1 / -0

Facebook Fact Check THis. HAHAHAH!

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mateus 1 point ago +1 / -0

We've been played so bad it isn't funny.

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cajun_robear 1 point ago +1 / -0

This has been known since day one. Yet here we are. It's just insane bullshit.

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streakybacon 1 point ago +1 / -0

How much of a chance?

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AbrahamLincoln 1 point ago +1 / -0

Getting the flu means you'll test positive for having the flu. Sounds about right.

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ikuyas 1 point ago +2 / -1

You are ignoring the sentence prior to that, which is equally important to remind yourself of.

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fusreedah 1 point ago +1 / -0

Wait so there is still no actual test for the Chinese wuflu-19 virus?

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Grond999 1 point ago +1 / -0

The same can apply to testing "HIV" positive.

Virus isolation matters. But not in Mickey Mouse "muh medical science"ville.

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sixfingerdildo 1 point ago +1 / -0

they don't know how much protection antibodies provide? isn't that the fundamental principle of vaccination???

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Reellyschmahht 1 point ago +1 / -0

Since these scientists don't know how long the body produces these antibodies, a person could be tested and found positive from a cold from 3 years ago. Or longer even

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Rugar22 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is why i'll never test.

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uvontheterrible 1 point ago +1 / -0

Actually, the linked article says "there is a chance", it does not say it is likely.

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trainbyday 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ive been hung for saying this

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JohnWickParabellum 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've been saying this the whole time, since last year... they weaponized the cold virus.

There is no cure, there never will be one.

It's asymmetrical warfare against Western Civilization.

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winsome 1 point ago +1 / -0

Direct link? Thanks.

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Reddit_is_for_cucks 1 point ago +1 / -0

Alyssa Milano is not going to like this

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based_gay_patriot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can someone forward this to that cunt bag Alyssa Milano? I don't twitter.

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Tripin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Im tempted to go get tested, 2-3 week paid vacation.

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AlohaSnackbar 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, but who the fuck is catching a cold right now? Shit, if the china virus\s R0 weren't so fucking high, the 15 days to flatten the curve would have basically annihilated it. But the flu? The common cold? Their R0's are low enough that the social distancing/face diapers/unconstitutional lockdowns should have pretty much removed them from america. I mean, not completely, obviously, but there's no way our overreaction to the china virus hasn't seriously curtailed the flu/cold.

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Asykes88 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thank you T-Cells

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the_archivist 1 point ago +1 / -0

If covid has common antibodies with the common cold, does that mean that by spreading the common cold, we can gain herd immunity to covid?

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tonightm89 1 point ago +1 / -0

The tests are for your body's reaction to the virus and not the virus.

So people that develop mild symptoms likely just have the fucking cold.

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HangtownBill 1 point ago +1 / -0

There's no science like no science.

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Beans-fortified 1 point ago +1 / -0

They have no way to distinguish which Corona you have. Lol

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NebDakFly2 1 point ago +1 / -0

So if you die, and have a cold, its counts as a Covid death????

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mixednuts86 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just some color for this. This article is specifically talking about antibody tests. Antibody tests have mostly been reserved for front line workers and are not the tests the general population has been receiving (PCR).

From my understanding as a (quite poor) armchair scientist, the antibody tests detect IgM and IgG antibodies. and IgG are the most common antibodies in the body. I think that you would likely have to have a positive PCR test in addition to a positive antibody test to be fully confident that you are past infection.

That being said, there is plenty to be upset about with the PCR tests. On googling, you can see a lot of misinformation from 'journalists' about the topic of PCR tests detecting an active infection, and that's just not the case. None of these test thresholds are actually looking at the viral load of the person being tested. The PCR, at whatever threshold is picking up the most tiny particle of the virus which could be dead or active and they are labeling it an active case.

The moral of the story is don't get fucking tested. By any means necessary. If you are healthy, do not get tested. Fight whatever illness you have with the normal remedies. Rest, liquids, supplements. If you get tested, there is a chance you will get a positive and there goes your life for at least 14 days, and god knows how else the stigma will follow you as time goes on.

Recommended Reading: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/infectious-positive-pcr-test-result-covid-19/

Recommended Watching: https://youtu.be/GBRcK-od50Q

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Homopratensis2 1 point ago +1 / -0

I wonder why?

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MeatloafFvck 1 point ago +1 / -0

Any direct link to this page?

I want to shove it up some liberal’s ass

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MortyArk 1 point ago +1 / -0

This pandemic sucks, I was supposed to be dead by now.

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FakeNewsCNN 1 point ago +1 / -0

Good find but didn't see any words to suggest likely.

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GEOTUSMAGA 1 point ago +2 / -1

The numbers are FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 2 points ago +2 / -0

Big fake. If they're not concerned with the real number, we shouldn't be either. Governors pretending they're "following the data" really piss me off.

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ikuyas 1 point ago +1 / -0

Does that mean that more accurate the test device is, larger the number of positive results it gets because most of the people have had a few cold within a few years?

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elmerecido 1 point ago +1 / -0

WHY IS (almost) NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS!

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FreeJack2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Every year the cold and flu virus evolves, it becomes different. Hence why the flu vaccines are updated every year. Maybe they thought 19 was an unlucky number?