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JustInTime2_ 597 points ago +602 / -5

We lost a great Patriot.

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Rainman 342 points ago +343 / -1

FUCK!!!

Seriously we can't lose ANY patriots we need them all

So sad... RIP

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Antifederalist 278 points ago +278 / -0

The one man in the Republican party that I thought could fix our enslavement.

And the Republicans slandered him into the ground to promote their bullshit sham of a candidate.

Rest in peace Godfather.

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Rainman 170 points ago +170 / -0

So true, Cain would have been an amazing president. Actually a guy who knew something about being an executive and achieving outcomes.

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mishaclara 82 points ago +82 / -0

I backed him I love him. P.S. Fuck China

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Doth 29 points ago +29 / -0

F

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mishaclara 3 points ago +4 / -1

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anon1011101 1 point ago +2 / -1

Fuck you faggot I hope your entire family gets raped and murdered in front of you. Piece of fucking shit

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Paradyme 32 points ago +32 / -0

I backed him and wanted him so bad, especially the fair tax.

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Q83FYpmVZM 20 points ago +20 / -0

9-9-9

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mishaclara 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yes I backed him too. Fuck mittens!

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Captain-D 46 points ago +46 / -0

I was all in on Herman Cain for awhile, and they complete tore him apart. Twice actually. Incredibly sad :(

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IcedCovfefe 39 points ago +39 / -0

He was the opponent Obama feared most.

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BSnatch 20 points ago +20 / -0

Yep, they threw dirt on him so fast it made my head spin

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skumario 15 points ago +15 / -0

Helps to have the FBI, CIA, Big Tech and MSM on your side. All of them criminal cabals.

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christianknight 14 points ago +14 / -0

Me too'd

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covfefe-time 7 points ago +7 / -0

Wow, didn't realize he was treated that poorly.

I should know better, being aware how they treated Clarence Thomas. And continue to do so. Ben Carson, and countless others both black and white.

Sickening and sad.

RIP forever my friend.

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Yucky 36 points ago +36 / -0

Yep. Absolutely reprehensible that Con Inc. put traitor Romney over Cain. Then couldn't figure out why they lost the election. Duh!

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Pearlgamez 13 points ago +13 / -0

They were never trying to win the election

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MassTexodous 8 points ago +8 / -0

Ding! Ding! Ding! That was EXACTLY why they had to sink Herman Cain's candidacy. He would have wiped the floor with Obama. It would have been a glorious election because his presence would have absolutely erased the race argument and forced people to actually vote on message and principal. It would have buried all the racial divide the left was building up under Obama once and for all.

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lurkwellmyfriends 24 points ago +24 / -0

Extremely accurate comment. I'll never forgive the GOP, Romney, Ryan, McConell and their cabal for teaming up with all the other globalist snakes for the assassination they performed on Herman Cain.

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anon1011101 10 points ago +10 / -0

All of his sexual assault accusers conveniently disappeared once their mission was accomplished.

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anon1011101 1 point ago +1 / -0

When Trump wins in November I hope you kill yourself!

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DRKMSTR 8 points ago +8 / -0

This.

So much this.

Hearing the man talk was incredible, I loved every second of it.

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IncredibleMrE1 142 points ago +142 / -0

FUCK CHINA.

RIP, based patriot.

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1776forever1776 89 points ago +90 / -1

We are lying to ourselves if we do not acknowledge that COVID-19 is a weapon of war.

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Antifederalist 37 points ago +37 / -0

The issue is, China isn't a country of goat fuckers living in dirt huts so we won't hold them "truely" accountable, like we do with majority of the middle east for no reason whatsoever.

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Southern_Belle 27 points ago +28 / -1

That's because China is one of the NWO partners, along with the UN, EU, and the Deep State.

The capital of the NWO is set to be in Kazakhstan, which borders China and Russia.

In other words, they're supposed to rule us, so no wonder we aren't allowed to hold them fully accountable.

Yet.

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The_Huscarl 22 points ago +22 / -0

If it weren't for the nuclear missile tech handed to them by the Clintons, we'd already be dropping moabs on them.

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ChicomUberAlles 22 points ago +22 / -0

fuck Clintons, synonymous with cock-sucking and traitors.

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TentElephant 12 points ago +12 / -0

We don't hold the goat herders accountable either. We put on a good show then hand the terrorists to local terrorist run courts. It's the same thing happening in Portland or New York.

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TopKeksWithFerns 6 points ago +6 / -0

The fact that they aren't dirtfuckers is all the more reason we need to put a boot down their throat now.

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NYC_4_Trump 15 points ago +15 / -0

Agree. My thought is, it was half baked and not ready for prime time. If you think about it, it’s a sloppy virus.

The plan was probably to unleash it at a later date. It escaped too soon.

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FluffiPuff 8 points ago +8 / -0

Correct. Their team made the weapon, and fumbled the ball. It got away from them, decimated China, then evolved, just as planned. Now they are attempting to regain the play.

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JustInTime2_ 11 points ago +11 / -0

We are at war with the IntelCommunity, which includes the media and Big Businesses, ala Globalists.

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mishaclara 11 points ago +11 / -0

I said this from day 1

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Southern_Belle 11 points ago +11 / -0

Welcome to WWIII.

Sucks, doesn't it.

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LibertyPrime2020 8 points ago +8 / -0

Death is a suitable alternative to communism.

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CrusaderAuslander 2 points ago +2 / -0

I completely agree. Sadly, just today in my history class in "College" I saw a student literally make the argument that Communism helped save China in the 50's! I schooled the fool about Mao and the 45 million who died because of Communism. So many dumb idiots in this country I just can't believe it!

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PalmerEldritch 8 points ago +8 / -0

Trump & his Team know this... China will pay for killing people around the world AND crashing economies!!!

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ohpleaseuhhelpame 11 points ago +11 / -0

Thank You for sharing that. It brought me to tears. We truly lost a great man today.

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murderhornet 7 points ago +7 / -0

Thank you for more info.

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Captain-D 5 points ago +5 / -0

Thank you.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 35 points ago +36 / -1

How fucking unfair is this shit. RBG is 1000 years old and still fucking breathing. Herman Cain was only 74?!?!??

Hey liberals! When are you degenerates gonna talk and do something about the disparity of how long men live vs how long women live?!?!??

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Rainman 22 points ago +22 / -0

Being animated by evil spirits is what keeps leftists going, RBG is actually dead...

I'M SORRY RUTH ISN'T HERE ANYMORE....

RBG'S possessive spirit probably

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Charankoo 13 points ago +17 / -4 (edited)

Fuck off with this pussy shit. I don't want liberals to change the facts. Men have more demanding jobs, drink more, and smoke more. It's the price we pay for being MEN. I'll pay it any day.

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Randomwithaj 8 points ago +8 / -0

Hell yeah! Live hard, fuck harder, and die young. All part of being a man

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George -8 points ago +5 / -13

lol men drink more and smoke more and die earlier than women and apparently that just goes along with being a man.

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Charankoo 4 points ago +8 / -4

Yup we drink more because we enjoy fraternizing with other like minded men, not sitting home with women drinking skinny detox tea after 12 hour shift of demanding work that a woman would have more difficulty doing.

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madlad2020 8 points ago +8 / -0

3 men in our family have had issues with alcohol and substance abuse, what kind of role model do you feel that sets for children?

I can relate to President Trump's desire to avoid alcohol after seeing what it did to his brother. Are you suggesting that I am not a man because I don't drink? If you are married to somebody that drinks detox tea you married the wrong woman, nobody in our family drinks that garbage.

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Charankoo 3 points ago +5 / -2

Don't let someone else's problem be your problem. Yes alcohol causes a shit ton of problems for society. It's the price we pay living in a free society. I wish people were better educated about the drug, but they aren't. Lead by example for your kids and teach them about it, and if they want to eventually try it have them know what to expect and know how the drug affects their body. Not drinking because you're triggered by family trauma is lib shit.

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Axiom502 0 points ago +1 / -1

We're men, okay? That means a few things; we like to shit with the door open, we talk about pussy, we like to go on riverboat gambling trips, and we make our own beef jerky.

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Philhelm 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've done all of that except for riverboat gambling.

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TopKeksWithFerns 8 points ago +8 / -0

Rbg literally sits on her as all day. Her assistants do all the work. When she gets sick she gets the best treatment money and power and the entire globalist power structure can buy.

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SendThemBackToCanada 4 points ago +4 / -0

RBG lives off the souls of children.

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skumario 2 points ago +2 / -0

Who said she is alive.

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LuisH 1 point ago +1 / -0

It always feels like evil wins, doesn't it? It's frustrating as fuck.

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e_pluribus_unum9 11 points ago +11 / -0

I agree :(

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American-Patriot 3 points ago +3 / -0

This is why it is EXTREMELY important, more now than ever before in our country, to create and raise many of the next generation of Patriots, and raise them right! With God, Family, and Country in that order.

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Flipbarryfromreddit 72 points ago +72 / -0

We did indeed. Rest In Peace

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TrumpTrain 29 points ago +169 / -140 (edited)

For anyone doubting the virus is real, let this be proof it is. No doubt it’s politicized and inflated, but it is here and it is making people extremely sick, causing them to have complications often. Some deny it, but those of us that know can’t unknow it.

Edit: For all those in the comments claiming I’m a shill, you can kiss my ass. I’ve been here since the beginning and am literally on the TrumpTrain

Edit2: For those of you telling me no one believes the virus isn’t real (most of the people replying are saying this), BS. There are multiple in this thread alone denying it as real. I see it in this sub often, and these are the people my comment is directed at

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JustInTime2_ 217 points ago +225 / -8

Cain had a comorbidity, Cancer. How do you know it was not cancer that killed him.

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fthecoup 168 points ago +171 / -3

He also was 74.

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PattonWasRight 123 points ago +124 / -1

This^. He died because of a weakened immune system coupled with old age. The fact that he was a conservative made it really easy for the media to push their mask narrative.

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Spikeball 65 points ago +65 / -0

That's the problem: it kills the old. It is extremely dangerous to the elderly, what the low mortality rate doesn't tell you is that there is a specific group that it utterly devastates and they are our Greatest Generation

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leing15 49 points ago +50 / -1

Even the elderly doesn't have to die if they get CV-19.

Patients in their 90s and over 100 y.o. have survived the virus, and experiments in treating nursing home residents with HCQ have been quite successful despite the patient's age.

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/fox-26-gets-unprecedented-access-to-texas-1st-nursing-home-to-treat-covid-19-with-hydroxychloroquine

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Thistriggersthelibs 35 points ago +35 / -0

Kinda makes you wonder why they dont want us taking HCQ

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CelesteD 13 points ago +13 / -0

You know, you just made me think of something. There have been a couple reports of people soooo old they survived the Spanish flu, and then also survived covid. How much do you want to bet those same super old people were prescribed some variant of hydrixychloroquine? Or maybe just quinine, back then. Still, breaks the false narrative of it not being effective.

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Yawnz13 10 points ago +10 / -0

Nah. The elderly still die at higher rates even if they have no other conditions.

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Staatssicherheit 10 points ago +10 / -0

Covid doesn't have a 100% death rate in the elderly. As far as we can tell, it's around 5%.

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montanapede 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fakebook and Twatter determined that is a lie...

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LuisH 2 points ago +2 / -0

The hate Hydroxycholroquine because Donald Trump likes it.

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amarie 24 points ago +24 / -0

Pneumonia is another name for it. Pneumonia has been killing old people for generations. Covid is a fancy new name for an old nemesis: pneumonia.

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MrsSilenceDogood 4 points ago +4 / -0

This

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fkn_lost_my_password 28 points ago +28 / -0

Weakened immune system + old age + Chinese virus.

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LemonManBad 3 points ago +4 / -1

And the weak people here buy the media narrative oh so easily. It's like they never learn. Pathetic.

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Greatest_adventure 3 points ago +4 / -1

Trump is also a senior, let’s not forget. Aging is a factor, and immune system strength plays a huge part.

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NvJohansson 35 points ago +35 / -0

He was 74, the average life expectancy of an African American in America is 75 as per the Census Bureau. And he was battling cancer, BUT MUH COVID!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_States

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Captain-D 11 points ago +11 / -0

I don’t think he was actively battling cancer. The zero hedge article said he successfully beat it in 2006.

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NvJohansson 9 points ago +9 / -0

I believe you're right, but once youve had stage 4, you are in a higher risk category which multiplied with age. He might have still died from the covid-19 , but stage 4 what's a toll on your system for the rest of your life. But the basic fact is as per life expectancy, he had one more year to live. I don't know if he had other pre-existing conditions, but he was already a heavyset man.

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Captain-D 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yes, I do agree with that.

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HongKongFluey 3 points ago +10 / -7

So is POTUS but he wouldn't die from this fake shit.

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Italians_Invented_2A -5 points ago +13 / -18

It's not normal to die at 74!

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couranto 28 points ago +29 / -1

He had cancer too.

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bigmikespen15 24 points ago +25 / -1

RBG be like ha ha adrenochrome injections go drip drip

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Cosmo 16 points ago +16 / -0

In the United States, the current average life span is seventy-eight (for women, eighty years, and for men, seventy-five years).

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BobDobalina 8 points ago +8 / -0

It's only 69 for Black Men, Mr. Cain lived to 74.

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ignorant_slob 4 points ago +4 / -0

Statistics like life expectancy are very slippery. Your life expectancy actually goes up as you get older. The number people typically talk about is life expectancy from birth. The life expectancy for black men is heavily influenced by early mortality from violent causes. It really is only useful for things like insurance actuarial tables or fact books.

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MehNahMehNah 3 points ago +4 / -1

Is it? That seems lower than I thought. I do know 80% of COVID related deaths are those above 65, and GEOTUS reported the median age of COVID 19 deaths are age 78.

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CelesteD 5 points ago +6 / -1

The average life expectancy actually started dropping fairly recently, just an anecdote. It is the first time its happened though.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 13 points ago +13 / -0

Yeah it's about the average death age for men in this country

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KuhlooKuhlay 12 points ago +12 / -0 (edited)

pretty sure that's the exact life expectancy of black males in this country.

EDIT: It's actually only 72.

source: https://www.npr.org/2019/06/13/732270787/researchers-may-have-found-a-way-to-improve-the-life-expectancy-of-black-men

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Italians_Invented_2A 3 points ago +3 / -0

Life expectancy is simply the average of the age people die.

A gangbanger in the hood lowers the average, but for a wealthy successful black male it would be much higher.

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KuhlooKuhlay 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes. Black men die on average two years before Herman Cain did. So he outlived his life expectancy by two years. There's really no way around that fact. BTW the average for all males is only a few years more than that (74 point something I believe).

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BobDobalina 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'm reading the average life expectancy for a black man is 69 in America.

Everybody dies for a reason, usually there is a disease or a sickness involved.... Mr. Cain, God Bless Him, died like we all will, there's nothing that strange about his death, he was elderly, had multiple sicknesses, and passed away, it happens to all of us.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's 69 because lots of black men shoot each other, do drugs, drive drunk etc.

If you take a wealthy and intelligent individual who doesn't do bullshit he can reasonably expect to live much longer.

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mikejones 84 points ago +85 / -1

Death certificate can list 3 causes of death but if one says COVID you know what the media will say.

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painfullylogical 42 points ago +42 / -0

I literally just got a push update from epoch times saying the exact same thing

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FrankWisner 37 points ago +38 / -1

Epoch Times is the best paper - and I actually enjoy their commercials. That guy is great.

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Danks_Rangers 19 points ago +19 / -0

Falun Gong out there doing what they can to shore up freedom and liberty.

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maxkenn -5 points ago +9 / -14

It's ok. They're anti communist, but they are run by a cult, and some of their social articles are way off from not understanding the west. The washington times, another conservative looking paper used to be owned by the moonies, so nothing new.

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Anaconda 5 points ago +10 / -5

Right...you want us to suck the Global Times and CCTV's commie cocks. We understand you, comrade.

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SpaceForceMilitia 5 points ago +6 / -1

I havent seen anything about falun that requires them to reject their families etc. Which is one of the main boxes you must tick for cult labels to stick. But if you have some evidence of that id happily look it over.

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Southern_Belle 3 points ago +4 / -1

Is it really a cult?

Or is it a small religion?

A cult is distinguished by using manipulative means to keep you involved; you don't have freedom to drop in, hang out a while, and leave.

Like the Cult of Woke or Intersectionality. Has more adherents than Falun Gong, but wants to rule the world, will silence you to the point of erasing you from the physical plane if your existence threatens it.

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HongKongFluey 5 points ago +5 / -0

Well we have to push it away from wuflu. It doesn't exist and the country needs to reopen

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maxkenn 1 point ago +2 / -1

Way to go for people who have turned a post about a former baptist preacher Herman Cain into one down-voting mentioning a newspaper that is run by a cult, is a newspaper run by a cult. Herman Cain would not have approved the cult either.
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Saying something that is true doesn't deserve a downvote just because you don't like the truth. And I said it very fairly: "It's ok. They're anti communist, but they are run by a cult, and some of their social articles are way off from not understanding the west. The washington times, another conservative looking paper used to be owned by the moonies, so nothing new."

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kimjongveryill 34 points ago +35 / -1

With the amount of deaths that aren't related to scamflu, being counted as scamflu. its hard to take the scamflu deaths serious.

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Mrsattorney 28 points ago +30 / -2

I believe he had stage 4 colon cancer...not sure where he was with that in terms of treatment.

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Spongebob1808 37 points ago +37 / -0

“ Cain, a former Godfather's Pizza CEO, survived stage 4 colon cancer, which was diagnosed in 2006. He was given a 30% chance of survival then after the cancer had spread to his liver, but was declared cancer free in 2007 after undergoing chemotherapy and surgery.”

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Mrsattorney 20 points ago +25 / -5

Uh huh. He had serious health issues.

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MehNahMehNah 5 points ago +5 / -0

40% of American adults gave chronic health issues too. Mortality is a bitch sometimes.

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skumario 2 points ago +2 / -0

I blame low quality adulterated Franken food.

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Spongebob1808 4 points ago +6 / -2

Just reporting that we was cancer free....if someone someone passes due to the China virus, it isn’t political. He was older....

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Mrsattorney 7 points ago +7 / -0

We don't know that he was cancer free now. These cancers tend to reemerge as people age (RGB). We also don't know the extent of the surgery he had. For example, did he have a colostomy? Was his liver compromised? There's a lot we don't know.

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Anaconda -6 points ago +3 / -9

Uh huh...CANCER FREE.

and Uh huh..."MUH HOAX NARRATIVE!!!"

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Anaconda -4 points ago +4 / -8

CANCER FREE

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Langtath 24 points ago +24 / -0

I have known 3 older people who died of flu several years ago. People just don't understand that sometimes a regular flu can take you out. I have friends who work with older people, they get sick all the time and something like the flu can easily be fatal. We are only now bringing attention to this because of this China Flu but it has existed for decades.

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DocOne 12 points ago +12 / -0

And unlike covid, the flu also kills thousand of children every year and in the US, not just some 3rd world shithole country.

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covfefe-time 6 points ago +6 / -0

Right. If you've ever had a regular flu in younger age, you know it can kick your ass pretty good, especially if you're 'not in great shape.'

Now add 50 years of age with other health factors mixed in.

All the more reason to go out and live life without fear.

There is no path to a happy and healthy life trying to hide away from every cold, cough, sniffle and possible danger.

RIP to a great man who lived a long and accomplished life.

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NvJohansson 6 points ago +6 / -0

People just don't understand that sometimes a regular flu can take you

The seasonal flu killed 70 000 in America in 2018, more proof people in general are basically ignorant turnips.

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BobDobalina 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you go back in time a few years before that there was a particularly bad year (2015?) where it pretty much doubled.

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NvJohansson 5 points ago +5 / -0

Not to mrntion thst there's a new vaccine for the flu every year, and the flu strains change so much that most years the vaccine is ineffective at best.

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WEWLADSDALWEW -4 points ago +4 / -8

70k over 12 months without massive lockdowns and life disruptions. We have 160k+ in five months with major shutdowns and mitigation. As the President himself Has repeatedly said, there is no comparison. I swear I don’t get why some on our side are so committed to “debunking” this crisis. We benefit nothing from that position, and it’s directly contrary to the President’s own position, which he has stated over and over again. Does the media lie? Yes. Are they out to get Trump? Yes. Do they report exclusively negatively about COVID in a way they certainly would not if Hillary were in office? Yes. But it simply does not follow from any of that that coronavirus is fake. It’s not fake, it is dangerous, and we lost Herman Cain.

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NvJohansson 10 points ago +10 / -0

I never said it was fake, but so many deaths is listed at covid when there were other underlying conditions, so I'm very skeptical of the 160k. When you see people who died of pancreatic cancer, suicide and motorcycle accidents and they're listed as covid, it's ridiculous. Yes they're out to get Trump and it's pissing me off. Regardless if Herman Cain had cancer or not, he was 74 years old. Do you know what the life expectancy for an African American male is in America? 75 as per the last census from the bureau in 2018. So that 160k cannot be realistic when you have the average age of covid deaths at 80 which is exactly the same age as a life expectancy in America. That's where I call bullshit.

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traveravis 4 points ago +4 / -0

Is it really 160k though?

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IAmNotSuicidal 4 points ago +4 / -0

No shit this is a real virus. It's a fake crisis though to make us bubbleboy slaves forever. Just watch.

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BobDobalina 4 points ago +4 / -0

I wish more people understood this. A cold could have killed him. Diarrhea could have killed him. The flu could have killed him.

He wasn't necessarily sickly, but he was pretty old for a Black male in the US, had outlived the average life expectancy of a black Male in the U.s., had previous serious medical issues over the past 15 years... and just being 74 years old is ITSELF a medical issue. Your body is 74 years old, it's seen a lot and fought off a lot, it's not as s strong as a younger person's, this is common sense.

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Crash_the_Dash -7 points ago +15 / -22

That was 13 years ago. No the immune system is not weakened forever. You are only immunocompromised while undergoing treatment and for an period just after.

Hia biggest risk factor was being over the age of 70. The chance of death over age 70 rises fairly significantly with this virus.

Trying to wish away 150,000 deaths as made up or over hyped is just illogical and stupid. For those in the high risk pool (over age 60 really, currently immunocompromised, heart disease and diabetes) this is a serious illness. For most everyone else there is a risk of complications but they are extremely lower than the high risk pool...

Two healthy, no underlying issue people. One 25 and the other 75. The 75 yr old is still very much at a greater risk of serious complications and death.

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Slicer 13 points ago +13 / -0

Someone whose whole body has been ravaged cannot be considered "healthy".

The Hallmarks of Aging (look that one up - would flood the page to explain) are very, very real.

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Crash_the_Dash 1 point ago +3 / -2

13 year post cancer. They medically definitely can be. But being an overweight, 74 yr old African American yes he was in the extreme risk category. I had read he developed pneumonia (but can't find it) which definitively would have cause very serious complications as well.

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StronklikeBull 11 points ago +11 / -0

328,200,000 people in America.

150,000 deaths.

You suck at logic and basic math sport.

Heart disease: 647,457. Cancer: 599,108. Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936. Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201. Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383.

Right now it's 100k above normal flu, but with poor reporting and the idiots virtue signaling, you have the worst kind of fool dismissing everything because they have lost trust and the second worst trying to shut down the world because they want to look like they care.

Wake me up when you get to cancer numbers and I'll tell you why shutting down the economy even then is wrong.

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Crash_the_Dash 8 points ago +8 / -0

Dude in no way is this any reason to shut down the world that's not even a remote part of my comment.

It was strictly that youbhave an illness with no vaccine that has killed twice as many as the flu that is a serious illness. Just as the flu is also considered a serious illness for those in the high risk pool.

But I couldn't agree more the selective shutdown of the country was the wrong damn response. And it also begs the question where are the massive outbreaks and deaths of Walmart, Target, Kroger, etc employees who have been face to face with people for months... Yeah there haven't been.

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StronklikeBull 6 points ago +6 / -0

I absolutely must have misjudged the tone of your comment.

You have my apologies.

We have 76,000,000 Boomers kicking and screaming right now about why everyone should take this seriously as well as a lot of virtue signalling monsters who want to appear to care.

If every Covid death was even a Boomer, we haven't hit 2 tenths of a percent of them yet.

We run into the law of large numbers here when people tend to describe just how bad or how innocuous the disease happens to be.

It sounds like we are probably on the same page, I just have serious issues taking it seriously as the standard policy holds right now. We should have those "at risk" self identify right now and everyone else go back to work. Treat those at risk like smokers. They need to social distance. The rest of the population really does not unless you are around them.

But most fo the parents can't go back until we open schools again and that's an even worse horror show.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 3 points ago +3 / -0

Medical Malpractice kills almost as many as well each year.

150,000 deaths is a lot. Then realize about 40k could have been saved through hydroxychloroquine. Another 10-15 K could have been saved if several states didn't put sick patients into nursing homes where things spread quickly and dangerously, and among the population with the highest death rates for Covid. Then factor in people being labelled as a Covid death if they commit suicide, are shot, or get in a car accident and die (or have a stroke, heart attack, cancer or other condition) We don't know how many this last number is, we can only speculate.

How many have actually died from this? We know it's real, we should take it seriously, but is it anywhere near 150,000? No.

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StronklikeBull 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

No. 150k isn't a lot when you take into account the entire population.

That's under .04% of the population. Not 4%, but .04%.

That would have been part of my original point.

It's only 3x normal flu deaths and we honestly do not know if anything we have done has hurt or helped when compared to other countries that chose alternative methods.

EDIT: Malpractice is closer to 250k deaths per year according the first article covering it via the search engine that must not be named and CNBC.

So honestly, wu-flu isn't close to even malpractice numbers yet either.

... continue reading thread?
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Crash_the_Dash 2 points ago +4 / -2

No, once cancer has gone Into remission your body is not fighting itself that is the point of remission. Also after remission for the first year or two they are screened twice a year. After that period and definitely after 5 yrs of remission a cancer survivor is generally screened annually as part of routine medical exams. It is not an ongoing health issue once you are in remission long term.

150,000 deaths is roughly the number reported by every source on planet earth. Is there a margin of error of course. That number is probably off by a margin of 3-5%

Yes many diseases and illnesses pose high risks for those outlined in that group no doubt. Difference is there are reliable treatments for most of those. Regardless of all else this is a novel virus with no vaccine or cure so it poses its own issues for those in the high risk category.

Is the coverage overblown and sensationalized dear God yes. Where are the top of the news infection tolls of heart disease, cancer, etc. Or inner city gun deaths. All numbers that would shock the shit out of people.

I said nothing about this having anything to do with lockdowns. I was strictly speaking of risk to people of Crain's age group. I totally agree the lockdown and economic shutdowns were fucking insane and totally wrong headed.

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Juicebusters 5 points ago +8 / -3

Trying to wish away 150,000 deaths as made up

Egad, another one of you faggots. Fuck off with that already you cringey fag

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Crash_the_Dash 4 points ago +4 / -0

Point is it is a serious illness for those who are most at risk... Which is why all the lockdowns and stupid precautions should be aimed ONLY at those of high risk.

The rest of the population should not be lockeddown and bankrupted because a small percentage of the population is at extreme risk. Things like free home delivery, free telemedicine m, hell even free medications for those in that extreme risk category would have been cheaper and easier that killing the rest of us financially.

You quarantine those at risk and use the healthy among the population to help those people stay quarantined until there is a viable vaccine.

You don't lockdown 100 people because 5 might be at risk. You lock down the 5 and task the other 95 with making their lives easier to stay locked up to protect them.

But fuck the noise of destroying the whole economy for a tiny at risk pool.

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Juicebusters 3 points ago +3 / -0

You don't need to convince me or anyone here its a serious risk to those in high risk highly vulnerable situations like Herman Cain or the 660 lbs guy who died from it.

Influenza is a very real serious risk to people like Herman Cain and 88 year olds in nursing homes barely staying alive on a given day.

Who told you it isn't? Someone here? Were they trolling and pretending to be the shitty Democrat twitter version of 'ignorant Trump supporters'?

And you believed them?

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NvJohansson 2 points ago +3 / -1

You do realize that the life expectancy for an African American male in America is 75, right?

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amarie 2 points ago +3 / -1

Cancer leaves "seeds" throughout the body. Anything can trigger them to start growing, either slowly or rapidly.

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NYC_4_Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’m not saying the virus doesn’t exist. But there is a major reporting problem. States should not be permitted to list “probable” Coronavirus deaths in their total.

If the person didn’t test positive for the virus, you cannot list him as a Coronavirus death.

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Crash_the_Dash 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah totally agree and also multiple tests of the same person shouldn't be counted as multiple positives in the overall count. Which is happening in the daily NEW Infections count. They just aggregate number of new positive tests. Not looking at the fact Bob may have been tested last week, again Tuesday and again today.

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BobDobalina 0 points ago +1 / -1

So you're really in here trying to argue that the Covid is more dangerous than Cancer?

Get the fuck outta heah , go learn a little bit about cancer if you want something to really be afraid of.

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Crash_the_Dash 3 points ago +3 / -0

How the hell did you come to that conclusion?

Herman didn't HAVE cancer currently. He HAD cancer 13 years ago. So in this particular case the virus was more dangerous than his being in remission for 13 years.

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Staatssicherheit 0 points ago +1 / -1

The common flu could have killed him. Pretty much any infection could have killed him. But it was one specific one that did.

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InSaNeOldGuy 15 points ago +16 / -1 (edited)

For those of you who are wondering, "Comorbidity" means the presence of one or more conditions co-occuring. Which is why nobody who's halfway healthy dies from this crap. Especially young kids.

But............ Rather than tell the truth about Cain's demise, the Left is running with "Cain Died From the Kung Flu Virus !! It's so Deadly we need to stay locked up for the next 20 years !!"

Sick and Tired of all the lies, but Libtards can't speak the truth even if their very existence depended on it.

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Italians_Invented_2A 2 points ago +3 / -1

A comorbidity can be hypertension or diabetes or obesity.

Do you know how many Americans have hypertension? Half. I'll let you figure it out for yourself how many people have comorbidities when you consider the list I linked above.

If someone is healthy is very unlikely that he dies, true. But that doesn't mean that it's like catching a cold where you're 100% one weak later. If the chinavirus develops into a pneumonia it can fuck up your lungs long term. There are anecdotal reports of many people who keep having problems even after months.

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JohnBarron 8 points ago +8 / -0

He recovered in like 2011 I think. But still high risk

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Spongebob1808 7 points ago +7 / -0

“Cain, a former Godfather's Pizza CEO, survived stage 4 colon cancer, which was diagnosed in 2006. He was given a 30% chance of survival then after the cancer had spread to his liver, but was declared cancer free in 2007 after undergoing chemotherapy and surgery.“

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Italians_Invented_2A 4 points ago +7 / -3

He did not have cancer at the time.

God, I don't know what is it with this China virus that turns pedes into NPCs.

The virus exists, it can cause a fucking pneumonia even on healthy people which fucks up your lungs, and if you get a pneumonia when you're old you're likely to die.

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lanre 4 points ago +4 / -0

I love the comorbidity argument. Over half the population has a comorbidity: obesity. Factor in everything else and a large majority of Americans have a comorbidity. For the 10% or so that are perfectly healthy though I guess they have good news.

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JustInTime2_ 2 points ago +3 / -1

Health is the one thing that majority of people can control, but for some reason they refuse to take ownership. Yet you want people to suffer for your refusal. Please explain this to me.

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lanre 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don't see what you're going on about. While it would be nice if Americans weren't fat, unhealthy slobs, the fact is that they are. And therefore a disease that targets fat, unhealthy slobs and the elderly is still dangerous, whether it's those people's fault or not.

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JustInTime2_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

It is the people’s fault. Good time for those impacted to take their lives in their own hands. With the exception of the elderly, no excuses. Take ownership and stop waiting for people to help.

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JustInTime2_ 1 point ago +2 / -1

It is not an argument this are axioms in the field of public health. Please educate yourself because at this point you sound unlearned.

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

It is very relevant to note the frequency and age-adjacency of each comorbidity:

The ratios have been lows of ~75% to the common over 90% of covid deaths involve this trait, regardless of age.

But also worth considering that the vast majority with any comorbidity have TWO OR MORE listed at death.

Overall Diabetes is the most dangerous comorbidity, being the strongest in younger deaths from covid and second in older deaths.

First if over 70 is heart related issues.

Second is high blood pressure in overall deaths.

Morbidly obese is in there farther down, along with lung and breathing issues.

"Obesity" per the new tables (hilariously off target and far too inclusive btw) is way down the list of comorbidities.

Looked at through that filter you can see the pattern of higher deaths in certain younger populations and above certain ages in all groups makes a great deal of sense, and the comorbidities tell a story vs being randomly involved.

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DocOne 4 points ago +4 / -0

And it was cancer he was never supposed to recover from. The man was a hell of a fighter but it's a numbers game and the numbers stack against you higher and higher the older you get. It's a sad day for the country but not surprising.

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TrumpTrain -32 points ago +29 / -61

All we know is he was ok until he got the virus. Had he not got the virus, he’d be alive and well.

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Bramble 21 points ago +25 / -4

Well he had cancer, so he wasn't "ok".

That's what comorbidity is. 'natural' Death is usually a combination of factors, and rarely caused by just one (other than trauma).

It's just as likely he could have caught the flu, or any number of other viruses, and that would have lead him to the grave as well.

You can just as easily say he would have lived with cancer without covid, as you can say he could have lived with covid without cancer.

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TrumpTrain -3 points ago +13 / -16

He was ok, as in, he has been working and operating daily without noticeable issue

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HockeyMom4Trump 12 points ago +14 / -2

Well, put your mask on and stay home. Don't forget to get yourself a pair of nice goggles too, Fauci just said those were important to wear. You can just sit in your house on a chair or in your basement like Joe and come out once it is safe, which is never.

By the way, maybe if Cain had been able to take HCQ he'd still be alive. Maybe people with comorbidities should be able to take HCQ as a prophylaxis or perhaps at earliest onset of symptoms.

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Kekistanirefugee 4 points ago +6 / -2

Cancer or no cancer he was 74 which is in the high risk category. Quit shilling

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couranto 1 point ago +4 / -3

Lock yourself in your room and hide under your bed.

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LemonManBad 2 points ago +2 / -0

kek

Get these closeted commies!

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Crash_the_Dash -7 points ago +4 / -11

He's been cancer free for 13 yes. Cancer wasn't a factor. That's not how cancer works its not a felony it doesn't follow you for life.

Post cancer your greatest health risk is a relapse of cancer not the flu. DURING cancer treatment your greatest risk is everything

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 5 points ago +5 / -0

Many cancer treatments permanently weaken the immune system and most can cause serious health issues down the road long after treatment. Talk to a cancer survivor or oncologist.

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Crash_the_Dash -2 points ago +1 / -3

My family is full of cancer survivors and my sister is an oncologist. So believe I realize the risk.

Case in point one family member is 16 yrs in remission. Their doctor has told them that being over 70 is far more a risk than the previous cancer...

Other family member is 25 yrs younger. But completed cancer treatment for his third (different) cancer in February. Because of the short term since the treatment and previous heart attack despite his age he is at what the doctors say is the most extreme risk. You are right he also had an issue from this bout of cancer in which his white cell growth factor doesn't produce well and needs pharmaceutical stimulation. So yes his body has been permanently damaged by cancer. But the difference is in the last 15 years he's never been in remission instead one bout to the next.

Remission and length of remission plays a huge role in risk factor and damage to the body.

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Bramble 4 points ago +6 / -2

In that case he should have been put on HCQ.

RIP Cain :(

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ignorant_slob 1 point ago +1 / -0

It helps but is not a magic pill.

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amarie 3 points ago +4 / -1

Cancer seeds itself and can go dormant and then start growing again, either slowly or rapidly. It's never gone.

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ignorant_slob 1 point ago +1 / -0

The poison and radiation treatment for cancer has permanent side effects for many. I’ve had relatively minor injuries to joints with permanent side effects. Zap someone with radiation and ingest poison and you will never be the same.

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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +3 / -3

He did not have cancer. He has had cancer more than a decade ago.

Therefore the other post is right. If it wasn't for the chinavirus, he'd be alive.

Fuck China. They should pay for what they did.

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JustInTime2_ 8 points ago +10 / -2

Now you a playing Nostradamus.

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Italians_Invented_2A 2 points ago +3 / -1

Let's see if you are a shill:

Try to say: China virus, or Chinese virus.

You use WHO invented words and you accuse others of being shills. Go fuck yourself.

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MIKEOBAMA 5 points ago +7 / -2

Perfect target for arkancide (2020 update)

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago +3 / -0

Not necessarily...

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Juicebusters 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not for long tho

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JeremyB 19 points ago +21 / -2

No one ever said it wasnt real...its being overblown, overhyped and overcounted

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HockeyMom4Trump 10 points ago +11 / -1

Exactly! They could do the same thing with anything...we don't have a pneumonia update every year on the daily news and pneumonia briefings. People die of pneumonia all the time. Especially if they are older or have comorbidities-where are my pneumonia daily briefings?

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BobDobalina 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yup, I agree with you 100% hockeymom. They call it "Covid-19" because it's been around every year, they never counted it before and if you look back a couple years, the flu was really bad for a year or two there. "Covid-19" is in fact an influenza, if things weren't so politicized it would have been this year's flu, like it was 4 years ago when that Covid was killing people.

This is all designed to just scare the hell out of elderly people.

What really happened today was we lost an elderly politician, like happens from time to time, and one of the reasons was he had this year's flu. Some reports are saying it had developed into pneumonia, and he was a stage 4 cancer survivor, as well as past the average life expectancy of a black male.

God bless him, he passed on and we'll miss him. One day you and I will pass on too, and there will likely be some sickness to blame, but it's not a reason for the whole world to stop what they're doing and hide in their basement.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well said!

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Bloodylouver 4 points ago +4 / -0

Amen!

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JustInTime2_ 8 points ago +8 / -0

There goes you red herring. The virility of Wuhan Virus is what has been questionable.

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Luvmyhub75 7 points ago +10 / -3

Shut up faggot

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BluestedSRT 7 points ago +9 / -2

No one thinks that WuFlu isn't real, literally no one. But if you express concern or ask questions about it's reporting or politicalization, the left labels you a Covid Denier. Fuck off you bunch of pinko commies.

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stjimmy92 3 points ago +4 / -1

Sorry to break it to you but some people really are that dumb.

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Axiom502 -2 points ago +3 / -5

Take a gander around this site lol

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sdl5 0 points ago +2 / -2

Unfortunately....

Quite a large contingent believe either covid19 is an entire hoax or no worse than a severe common cold.

They are demonstrating it rather strongly in threads here.

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DCdeplorable 6 points ago +6 / -0

Did they give him HCQ? If not, I'll suggest maybe that's exactly what they did.

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Hodor124 1 point ago +3 / -2

Every conservative outlet is reporting it was from covid. He fell very ill and was tested positive for covid. Nothing TrumpTrain said was incorrect and the downvotes are pretty disgraceful. We all know Herman Cain was extremely at risk, like the vast majority of covid deaths, but some people here pretend that covid isn't a serious thing and they need to wake up, we are not as ignorant as the left.

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MehNahMehNah 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anything else isn't as attention grabbing.

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Anaconda -9 points ago +1 / -10

"Muh hoax". Why would his family lie and not say he died of cancerr?

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JustInTime2_ 1 point ago +1 / -0

I guess you Know nothing about how insurance works.

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JustInTime2_ 2 points ago +2 / -0

Free advice, if you are or if you ever plan on becoming or being the breadwinner of your household, please purchase enough life insurance befitting of your significant other’s status.

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Staatssicherheit 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because he died from viral pneumonia.

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Greatest_adventure 1 point ago +1 / -0

He had colon cancer in 2006; but you are correct—if Covid attacked an already weakened system, then it certainly contributed.

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TopKeksWithFerns 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because they said the issue was his respiratory system wasn't doing well. He had colon cancer, not lung cancer. Stop being a dipshit

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LuisH 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because the agenda of the Democrats is to label every death as a COVID death. Even if it had nothing to do with it.

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Tcrlaf1 44 points ago +46 / -2

He had Stage 4 Cancer.... The headlines have changed to read “Died With...” not died from.

That said, he was a stand up guy. One of the first successful black men to flee the Democrat Plantation, despite the numerous paid slave catchers sent to bring him back.

His use of Plantation Rhetoric changed the way many blacks look at the Democratic Party now.

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grassshrimp 8 points ago +13 / -5

His cancer was in remission, he wasn't receiving any treatment for it.

He died of the Wuhan virus, just like tens of thousands people, mostly the elderly.

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axrevolutionai 14 points ago +16 / -2

the chemo still drops your immunity long term, several years

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grassshrimp 8 points ago +8 / -0

I've read a number of articles that say it takes as long as 9 months to recover from chemo, here's a quote from one of the articles. Herman Cain died of the Wuhan Flu, sure, he may have had more underlying conditions than just age, but people in this thread stating he died of cancer is just bullshit.

"A month or two after chemo ends, however, most people assume their immune system has returned to normal. Now, new research suggests that the effects of chemotherapy can compromise part of the immune system for up to nine months after treatment, leaving patients vulnerable to infections – at least when it comes to early-stage breast cancer patients who’ve been treated with a certain type of chemotherapy." https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2016/01/chemotherapy-immune-system.html

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Italians_Invented_2A 0 points ago +1 / -1

Lol WUT?

Where did you get this information?

Immunitary system is renewed constantly, is my understanding.

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sdl5 2 points ago +2 / -0

No, not really.

Every exposure you have, infection you fight, and disease you handle are impacts on your immune system- some good some bad. And the treatments can play a role positive or negative too.

Many less deadly our immature immune systems need to "learn" early so we can recognize them later in life and kill any infections off fast. This is why getting minor or moderate childhood bugs and being exposed to common soil bacteria strengthens you against later bugs.

But at the same time some do lasting damage or set you up to have an immuno compromised response later in life.

Shingles is one case of a seemingly otherwise moderate childhood disease with fallout later in life- it never leaves your body and flares in later years.

Asthma is an immuno over response, and can be outgrown OR a lifetime risk factor.

Allergies are similar in nature, and almost always cause a persistant to severe immuno response if re-exposure after avoidance.

Lupus is another.

Cancer treatments all but kill you to treat you- and disable your immune system for varying lengths of time. Truth is, in some ways your immune system after cancer treatment is never fully functioning again- it just recovers significantly.

Our immune systems are a delicate balance between teaching it measured responses from low risk exposures early and getting hyper responses from more dangerous or late exposures- and becoming compromised over a lifetime of exposures, responses, and treatments.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

In general, yes lots of things can give you long terms problems. One of this can be, ironically, the Chinese virus that everyone is playing down on this forum. It attacks your lungs (that we know of). It can do great damages to your lungs, and these will be long lasting. A pneumonia is not something you walk away from easily, no matter if you're young. Not everyone with the chinavirus will get pneumonia of course, but not only old or unhealthy people get pneumonia.

Cancer treatments all but kill you to treat you- and disable your immune system for varying lengths of time. Truth is, in some ways your immune system after cancer treatment is never fully functioning again- it just recovers significantly.

I'm going to have to ask for a source for that, because in everything I've read that is not true. The immune system is composed of cells that are renewed, and there's no reason to believe the cells won't go back to the previous numbers after some time. Generally accepted opinion is that it can take a few months after chemotherapy ends. There's a recent small study that found less immunitary cells of a particular type after 9 months, but that's unclear if it has a practical effect on the response.

The topic was that Herman has had, and recovered from, a cancer more than a decade ago. That could not have compromised his immune system, at all, after a decade. Therefore his death due to the chinavirus is unrelated.

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Southern_Belle 4 points ago +4 / -0

Did he take the Trump Treatment?

Because if he did not, that's an angle worth pursuing.

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Equality72521 32 points ago +33 / -1

My father died in April. His death cert says COVID - 19 and no doubt he tested positive for the virus but he did not have any symptoms common to COVID and in particular no respiratory difficulties. Regardless of what his death cert says I am confident that my father died of dehydration and neglect in that Nursing Home and we were made completely helpless to do anything about it.

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Southern_Belle 4 points ago +4 / -0

I'm so very sorry for your loss.

That must be painful for your family, especially in the current political climate.

Did your father by any chance live in one of the five mass murderer states? In other words, was his death a war crime or just general institutional neglect and ageism?

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Equality72521 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you. No, we live in one of the reddest states in the Union but the Nursing home was absolutely awful and I can't help but feel that monetary incentives for COVID played a roll in his death.

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trump_lsd -4 points ago +7 / -11

I don’t want to sound heartless or mean. I genuinely am sorry for your loss. But...old people do have a tendency to die eventually.

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HockeyMom4Trump 8 points ago +9 / -1

No! How dare people die! We should shut down everything until old people never ever die again.

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unspecified_user 3 points ago +3 / -0

This

I saw a stat early on from\ researchers who, not cold-heartedly but just factually, come to the conclusion that something like 60-80% of the elderly deaths were people who would have mostly likely died within a year, regardless of any other additional factor.

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Equality72521 2 points ago +2 / -0

We all have a tendency to die eventually. Life is a terminal condition. This has nothing more to do with the facts of my father's case then the color of the sky.

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truhmptrump 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes, cant die from a democratic hoax.

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IdahoMan87 32 points ago +33 / -1

The virus is real, the handling of it is the hoax.

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swimminginthoughts 12 points ago +12 / -0

You got it!

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ignorant_slob 1 point ago +1 / -0

The problem is everyone values life differently. A communist leader places near zero value on life. Our health insurance is very expensive in part because we place extremely high value on life. The problem with nationalized healthcare policy and nationalized insurance is you can never get everyone to agree on the value of life.

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fthecoup 27 points ago +28 / -1

I think VERY FEW people doubt virus is real.

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Averon 9 points ago +9 / -0

Real virus, but should have never been blown so out of proportion that almost every country in the world killed off their economies. Dead economies result in way more dead people than China flu would have killed.

That being said, I hate to hear Herman Cain died.

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truhmptrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Real sniffles.

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tizurnt 21 points ago +21 / -0

I know it’s real. My wife was hospitalized for two weeks. I still believe the panic and fear is overblown.

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TrumpTrain -7 points ago +6 / -13

My comment was aimed at people that don’t believe it’s real at all, as in, no one has it or it’s just the flu and government is lying claiming it’s covid

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tizurnt 12 points ago +12 / -0

I was just making the point that it’s real but still not reason to panic.
My daughter nearly died from the RSV virus a few years ago. That’s a virus that actually kills children. We didn’t shut the whole world down over that either.

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TrumpTrain -2 points ago +6 / -8

Neither did we for Swine Flu, which also killed children. Like I said, inflated and politicized, but very real. I see so many nearly entirely rejecting it, ignoring the fact that people are getting horribly sick from it all over, even if they don’t die.

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swimminginthoughts 5 points ago +7 / -2

Well, actually if he had gotten "just the flu", the outcome would have likely been the same. I still think it's just the flu.

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tizurnt 6 points ago +6 / -0

It’s a lot like the flu.

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Bloodylouver 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yep, it is

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ignorant_slob 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not as bad as Spanish Flu, but worse than typical seasonal flu. No one really knows where exactly it lands between the two.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago +2 / -1

Do you know anyone who believes that? I don’t. I haven’t seen anyone posting such beliefs here so I think your “aim” is way off with that comment.

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

And how is she now? Did she fully recover or does she still has problems?

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tizurnt 2 points ago +2 / -0

She’s ok. She’s been back to work for about a month now. I think she’s still a little short of breath but ok

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Italians_Invented_2A 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's what I keep reading, people still being short of breath after months.

Perhaps it's not really a problem if you do normal activities, but if you're into sports it messes up your life.

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Perziant0ker 16 points ago +19 / -3

There is a certain shillingness to this comment.....

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TrumpTrain -5 points ago +9 / -14

Don’t care if you think so. I’m literally on the TrumpTrain and am never getting off. This is my opinion

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BoardTrumpTrain45 7 points ago +7 / -0

Kind of sad the excuses people make to say the virus isn't real. Its very real for some. very real. Yes, media and Dems are trying to make it 1000x's worse than it is to politicize it, but still bad for many. Wish people could see a middle ground about it.

No one should to be blame, except CHINA. But Dems rather blame Trump and that just furthers the divide. We should all be united to hold China accountable.

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Axiom502 0 points ago +1 / -1

Many retards will bend over backwards to absolve China

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Perziant0ker 1 point ago +4 / -3

Lol ok faggot. All you are doing is fear mongering. Go back to reddit.

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ianpatrick1966 -3 points ago +3 / -6

Slam that big beautiful deport button for shills like u/TrumpTrain

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Mrsattorney 14 points ago +15 / -1

What exactly is your point? That we should all cower in our homes? Wear masks, gloves, and goggles? Never re-open businesses and schools? Herman Cain made a choice. He knew he was immunosuppressed, but he chose to live his life to the fullest.

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HockeyMom4Trump 7 points ago +7 / -0

Agree!

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TrumpTrain -7 points ago +5 / -12

My point is it’s a real virus making people badly sick all over. I don’t wear gloves or a mask and I don’t want anything shut down.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 4 points ago +4 / -0

You're being attacked and I don't think that's right. I'd say 90 percent of people who support Trump and are very conservative think this is a real virus. That being said surely you'd agree the positive cases being reported are grossly exaggerated. And if that's the case so are the death totals. Surely you'd agree that most people before a certain age and without pre existing conditions will not have any symptoms. Almost everyone agrees with that.

Most of us here agree we need to make our own decisions for our health. When it comes to Herman Cain his loss is tremendous and I hope he rests in peace. He survived cancer and lead a full life, successful and strong. To those here who want to he mask shills, will they only let him into heaven if he's wearing a mask and goggles and gloves?

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TrumpTrain -1 points ago +3 / -4

I already stated these things you state in my comment and I agree with you:

No doubt it’s politicized and inflated

I won’t reject or deny that the virus has sent many healthy people in their 30’s and 40’s to their bed for a week in the most worse sickness of their lives. I know this to be true and there are also widespread reports of this. Some go without symptoms and some have minor symptoms, but many don’t die, yet are awfully sick in a way they would never wish upon another human.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well various reports from people under 50, without comorbidities, state anywhere from 75 percent or higher will show no symptoms. While people in their 30s and 40s are getting sick, they're not dying at a rate any higher than the flu. The symptoms seem to vary greatly. Which makes it seem like the media is contributing, as each week they have a new symptom or they say it attacks a different vital organ, with zero evidence or proof. We need to be careful not to fall into the trap.

I had covid, was sick for 3 to 4 days. Not fun but I fought it off with otc medication, but I'm not in a high risk category. Was tired for a couple days longer. I do consider myself lucky and it does psychologicaly make you worry having it knowing everyone in the media fear mongers. It does make you think, in the back of your mind, is it going to get worse, how long will it last etc.

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hocuspocusfocusjeep 1 point ago +5 / -4

But you’re parading around here sounding like a concernfag. Old people die. Like someone else said, if it was just the flu, likely the same outcome

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kag-2077-kag 1 point ago +2 / -1

You do realize there is a middle ground between total shutdown and no lifestyle changes at all. Not black and white. He could have taken more precautions like not going to a convention with thousands of people in a relatively confined space. Im just trying to say that I don't think that people should panic and go full hazmat suit but also just be a bit more careful with large crowds and enclosed spaces, especially if you are older or immunocompromised.

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BasedMedicalDoctor 11 points ago +11 / -0

I’ve treated over 100 people with it. Personally. I’m a doctor. Yes some people have serious reactions but they’re literally the .26%, whereas 99.74% don’t. Try not to confuse the extreme minority with the majority.

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TrumpTrain 1 point ago +3 / -2

Just curious, how do you treat the patients, and what do you think of Dr. Bartlett’s Silver Bullet cure?

https://thedonald.win/p/GbaifzX9/here-is-a-wuhan-virus-cure-that-/c/

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BasedMedicalDoctor 6 points ago +6 / -0

I haven’t watched that and am at work so unfortunately I can’t comment unless you tell me what he says the treatment is.

Most patients don’t need much treatment honestly. They tend to recover fine in the mass majority of cases just following standard protocols like enough liquids etc. some go on a concentrator a few days but that’s so common in the geriatric population that it’s hardly even worth mentioning.

Early on my facility utilized hydroxychloroquine as well for positive Pt’s.

All in all this virus is about as scary as the every day flu in almost all cases.

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TrumpTrain 1 point ago +2 / -1

It’s primarily a steroid used for asthma, taken through a nebulizer. He says it’s a 100% success rate and some of his patients are on record confirming it worked well. Basically, it makes you feel better right away and seems to prevent you from getting chest related complications.

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BasedMedicalDoctor 8 points ago +8 / -0

I’ve heard of using certain steroids as a treatment and studies showing it cuts down the death rate. I haven’t seen them used personally but I certainly wouldn’t be surprised. This virus is just massively overblown and overrated. It is much more deadly in geriatrics, but overall it is extremely overrated. Have the older folks isolate and wear masks, and the rest of us need to go out and get it to build herd immunity.

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Bramble 9 points ago +9 / -0

Very few deny the virus is real. We all just say the virus is not any more dangerous than any other virus, and thus should be treated with equal consideration.

If you had stage 4 cancer any number of illnesses will be the nail in the coffin.

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ValleyForge 9 points ago +9 / -0

Should Herman have protected himself better by avoiding large gatherings? Probably. He was in the at-risk category but he believed in freedom of decision. The virus is indeed real but definitely overblown. People are not dropping like flies like they lead you to believe. There is risk in everything we do, the virus is no different.

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kuningus 9 points ago +10 / -1

How many people with compromised immune systems die from the common cold?

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TrumpTrain -5 points ago +6 / -11

How many people are more sick than they’ve been their entire life for a week+ due the common cold?

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kuningus 3 points ago +3 / -0

I was making the point that the virus is affecting people with compromised immune systems much more than people with strong, healthy immune systems. I think that's why, according to the CDC, 94% of deaths with covid19 have comorbidities.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not that many. The flu and common cold take tens of thousands of people out each year.

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trump_lsd 7 points ago +7 / -0

It’s real, it’s just the metaphorical ‘cherry-on-top‘ respiratory death blow to old people and people with underlying health conditions. Concerning information in this entire thread, I don’t know how it’s almost August and there’s still so much misinfo and confusion on Changvirus.

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Bloodylouver 7 points ago +11 / -4

You are a retard, no one is denying the China virus, we are saying a virus with a 99.8 survival shouldn’t cause the country to shut down. Old people die because of the flu all the time.. Mr cains death does not prove you right.. fuckoff and wear your mask you little sheep.

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TrumpTrain -5 points ago +5 / -10

Actually I frequently see people here outright denying the Wuhan virus, which is exactly why I made this comment

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Bloodylouver 5 points ago +5 / -0

👌🏻

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Randomwithaj 4 points ago +8 / -4

No, you don’t see that. You’re a fucking liar and a shill.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 3 points ago +4 / -1

I’m on this site all the time and I must have somehow missed all of these people you claim to have seen denying the existence of the WuFlu.

You are earning every downvote.

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hocuspocusfocusjeep 2 points ago +5 / -3

Are you a massive liar all the time, or just today?

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InSaNeOldGuy 6 points ago +6 / -0 (edited)

Proof you say ?? The guy had Stage 4 Colon Cancer which progressed to his Liver. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/30/conservative-firebrand-herman-cain-dies-after-battle-with-coronavirus/

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SurrenderFreeman 6 points ago +6 / -0

We don't deny it, we deny it's severity.

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trumpdouble 6 points ago +6 / -0

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone on here suggest that the virus isn't real. Jeez. Yea, it makes some people extremely sick, but for the majority, it doesn't. I can't unknow that my brother in law and two coworkers were infected and recovered, so I feel ya there.

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Cesare_Borgia 6 points ago +8 / -2

He was 74 and had colon cancer.

He was not long for this world regardless. It's sad in any event.

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grassshrimp 6 points ago +8 / -2

He was in remission. He had zero signs of colon/liver cancer at the time of his death.

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ItHasComeToThis 6 points ago +7 / -1

Stage 4 cancer and 74.

Honest question, Do you think the flu would have resulted in his death?

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TrumpTrain -8 points ago +5 / -13

Maybe, maybe not. Chances are less likely than with Wuhan virus though. I’ve seen enough of it. It’s more dangerous than flu.

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KingMoonRacer 5 points ago +7 / -2

Hello Mr. Gates.

Fuck right off.

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rentfREEEE_since2016 5 points ago +6 / -1

it is [in some cases] making people extremely sick

FTFY

Tuberculosis is real. And tuberculosis IN ALL CASES makes you extremely sick. Never shut down the world for it once.

Is the virus real? Sure. But the risk factor and the narrative that this virus “can make you really sick” is a lie by degree. “ThIs virus can make you really sick” oh really? Well if the chance of that happening are .3%, and EVEN LESS if I’m under 50yo, then who fucking cares if it’s a real virus. It’s still a fake threat and the narrative is still a lie

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TrumpTrain -4 points ago +6 / -10

TB is rare in the US. Wuhan virus is all around now.

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rentfREEEE_since2016 6 points ago +7 / -1

Yes TB is rare in the US but EXTREMELY contagious, and much more deadly. But When’s the last time you’ve EVER seen a TB check at an airport for international flights? You can fly in and out of 3rd world countries with literally no health screening.

My point is: the corona virus narrative is false, and even if it were true, our response is completely out of line with how we handle all other deadly diseases (much deadlier and more contagious diseases at that, for which we have little to no screening measures in place)

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NewUser1758 5 points ago +7 / -2

Lololol an old man dies of cancer and people claim it is why I should be afraid of the chinese coof hoax.

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Randomwithaj 5 points ago +5 / -0

No one denies the existence of COVID-19. When patriots like Herman Cain die from comorbidity and COVID complications, there’s only one proper response: FUCK CHINA!

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lococholo 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah, I will just worry about things that are not in my control.

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Bedminster 4 points ago +5 / -1

He had major comorbidity's one being CANCER and with cancer treatment you're white count is very low which means his immune system was already severely compromised. A fucking bad cold could have probably killed him! The Chink flu is deadly in about 0.002% of all cases and most of those have comorbidity's. Nobody here I see is denying it and don't be dramatic with that "those of us that know can’t unknow it." (I said that in a batman voice for even more dramatic effect) bullshit. A lot of people here work in the medical field and deal with this shit everyday.

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Juicebusters 4 points ago +5 / -1

Nobody doubts the virus is real you ridiculous person.

Yes, every year flu and in this case a Corona wipes out old people and in particular seniors with 'comorbidity' which in this case is cancer that Herman Cain was actually 'cheating death' on for years now.

Some deny it,

Your Democrat idiot friends told you some deny it, what?

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

Unfortunately, there are a few in these threads doing just that while attacking those saying it's anything more than a minor flu bug.

So they're not wrong.

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YourOwnGreatGrandma 4 points ago +4 / -0

Some people on this site are straight up retards. The fact you got 122 downvotes for saying “corona virus is real” is just sad.

This website throws away whatever chance it has to be impactful by pushing retarded shit sometimes.

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Crookedlamp 4 points ago +4 / -0

You are pontificating...

It's real, it kills people, it's blown way out of proportion.

If you are elderly, stay safe because you are at the highest risk.

We are causing irreversible harm to or country and future generations shutting down everything. We are affecting far more people negatively, unfortunately its not reported on nor will it be.

My mom died in March from covid in a nursing home in shithole new Jersey. This virus is no joke.

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mishaclara 4 points ago +4 / -0

It’s real I had it. But maybe the HCQ did not work on him. I guess all the other therapies they have too. He just came off a stage 4 colon cancer recovery.

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ripturntle 3 points ago +5 / -2

Make sure to take the vaccines.

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TrumpTrain -1 points ago +4 / -5

Not a chance in hell I’ll take that

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Friendly_B 3 points ago +3 / -0

We can tell from your up and downvotes about how much the conservative base is split on this.

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TrumpTrain 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks to the amazing admins here for adding in that feature!

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0nlyL0s3rsC3ns0r 3 points ago +3 / -0

Look at his age bruh - no one is saying the virus isn't real - we've been saying all along that it's the elderly that are at risk, not young healthy people.

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DragonsAndDiamonds 3 points ago +3 / -0

The virus is real, no doubt but we also have to be real about who the vulnerable are and act accordingly.

The flu is more of a danger to more people than this is. The WuFlu seems to have very specific targets based on age and health.

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NYC_4_Trump 3 points ago +3 / -0

I don’t know anyone who says the virus isn’t real. The major issue rests on our response to the virus.

Florida has a great population than NYS and has 1/5 the deaths. Why? Because Florida shielded the nursing homes. 1/4 of NYS deaths came from nursing homes - which should all be considered preventable deaths.

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TopKeksWithFerns 3 points ago +3 / -0

God for you for speaking the truth here brother.

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HongKongFluey -1 points ago +2 / -3

The virus is a hoax and it doesn't exist. It's not real.

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truhmptrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

Most likely it was of old age. Listen to Trump! Sniffles!

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FudgyFudgeBots 1 point ago +1 / -0

Was he placed on a ventillator?

Was he ever given HCQ?

Had his cancer returned?

What was his course of treatment?

Did he have other serious medical conditions?

These are some of the questions we need to be asking. Yes the virus is real but is it the actual cause of Herman Cains death. Look deeper.

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Yucky 1 point ago +1 / -0

We aren't saying it's not real. We're saying that it's not worth shutting down the economy for something that has a 99.5% survival rate which mostly affects old people with comorbidities. Please understand nuance.

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MerchantMan99 1 point ago +1 / -0

Virtually no one is saying the virus isn't real, anymore than the flu or cancer isn't real. But shutting down the world economy only makes the problem WORSE!

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fazzman23 7 points ago +7 / -0

amen

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QPATRIOT1776 4 points ago +4 / -0

NOOOOOOOO

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LonelyLadypedeSF_CA 2 points ago +2 / -0

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO😭

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GoingCamaro 3 points ago +3 / -0

And he'll be voting Democrat now.

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PalmerEldritch 2 points ago +2 / -0

Absolutely!!!

Would have been great to have him in the run-up to the election.

Such a solid man. I feel for his family.

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usernamenottaken 1 point ago +2 / -1

He ran a Godfather's Pizza. Just saying.

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Tokens_Worth 324 points ago +338 / -14

HCQ? No.
Over pressured Ventilator? Yes.

They killed him.

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Samuel_L_Bronkowitz 143 points ago +144 / -1

Wouldn’t surprise me one bit. I’d be scared to death to go to the hospital if everyone knew I was conservative.

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NormaJeanRocks 74 points ago +75 / -1

The hospital is the last place I would go if I thought I had this, seriously.

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JesusisKing 49 points ago +49 / -0

They don't allow anyone to see you, they don't allow you to leave. Hmm

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HockeyMom4Trump 26 points ago +26 / -0

It's like Hotel California...

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Slick_Willy 13 points ago +13 / -0

If I can crawl I would leave, if the vent me and induce a coma I am fucked though.

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JesusisKing 12 points ago +12 / -0

Please look up the many videos from the start of this where they kept people by force. One gentleman live-streamed it to Facebook as he stood off against ARMED security from the hospital that would NOT let him leave and FORCED an injection on him.

Yes he was obviously scared and emotional in the video and not everyone sounds well put together under those circumstances. Sad and suspicious.

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Trumpdup4prez 3 points ago +3 / -0

Exactly. You have a better chance of survival at home.

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PleaseHonk 60 points ago +60 / -0

Can confirm. The moment you test positive in the hospital, you’re shoved into negative pressure isolation and treated like a death threat. The quality of nursing drops down significantly because staff are terrified of entering a covid hospital room.

If you’re on a vent, that means no pulmonary auscultation, low endotrach maintenance, you might not get a bath every day, your risk of bed sores rise, your risk of pneumonia rise, low to no tracheal secretion management increases risk of death, instead of hourly bedside assessments, it can drop down to 1 assess per 8hours, increasing risk of death.
There are hundreds of cases of Covid deaths in New York where nurses said the covid patient died from poor care, like from a busted lung because X-rays weren’t being done post intubation inside positive rooms..to protect the X-ray techs... those medical errors killed the patient, not the virus.. but the media will never say that.

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PhDs_to_MAGA2 13 points ago +13 / -0

This also happened in Australia in the beginning. Kid I know caught covid earlier this year right as the borders closed. He got sick in hotel quarantine and his hospital stay was a nightmare. The nursing staff were breaking down, screaming and they were throwing thermometers and other meters at him because they didn’t want to get close to him. He was so delirious he didn’t know what was going on. Hopefully they have protocols down more now but how the fuck do hospital staff in a major city with only a few cases to deal with not do ppe drills every year for infectious diseases? Why the screaming and panic?

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ianpatrick1966 19 points ago +19 / -0

Because we jerked them all off saying they're """heros"""

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 8 points ago +8 / -0

That’s the truth. Most of them already suffered from an inflated sense of self worth and huge ego. One local nurse here has Covid memes and hero shit plastered all over her FB page and the hospital she works at hasn’t seen a single patient with WuFlu. Looking at her page you would think that she is singlehandedly saving the world from Covid. Fucking clowns like her make me less likely to seek medical care.

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ianpatrick1966 3 points ago +3 / -0

I'll never forget my neighbor who was an ER doctor told me about nurses:

Twice the attitude of a doctor, with half the skills.

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HockeyMom4Trump 12 points ago +12 / -0

I think many of the Covid deaths were caused by medical errors.

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Weremoose 5 points ago +5 / -0

There's got to be a market solution for this. There's got to be some wiggle room in the regulations to allow people to set up covid treatment centers which employ the actual best science available instead of political fear mongering.

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MaxineWaters4Prez 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hell, we used to have tuberculosis centers way back when TB was rampant. And that was an actual disease that was dangerous.

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Italians_Invented_2A 5 points ago +5 / -0

Great post. Meanwhile I took a look a Trump's Twitter and hordes of NPC accuse him of every chinavirus death. Like Trump himself stole the virus from a lab and spread it.

Libtards are getting worse. I think the Trump Derangement Syndrome is more and more acute.

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MAGANatsFan 33 points ago +34 / -1

It is simple logic. We (the good guys) would never harm, nor allow anyone else to harm ANYONE in our care. Liberals obviously would, and have.

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IKEEPMUHFREEDOMTHX 6 points ago +6 / -0

Doctors: Do no harm. Liberal doctors: Orange man bad people like then die.

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President_Trump 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Deep State decides that white people will die. Because Black lives are so in vogueee

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sdl5 2 points ago +2 / -0

Then they fucked up on this one- blacks and western hemisphere indian/indigenous genetics are far more deadly when mixed with covid.

Most of the younger deaths are in those two groupings, and a HUGE proportion of those sick enough to be hospitalized are latino with heavy indigenous heritage.

If American whites did not have high rates of diabetes in older populations the death rate would be even lower than it is for over 65.

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Shakakka99 71 points ago +76 / -5

Yeah well... he had stage 4 colon cancer too. Let's stay within the scope of reason, lest we become true conspiracy theorists.

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Spongebob1808 37 points ago +39 / -2 (edited)

I believe that was completely gone and recovered from that years ago....” Cain, a former Godfather's Pizza CEO, survived stage 4 colon cancer, which was diagnosed in 2006. He was given a 30% chance of survival then after the cancer had spread to his liver, but was declared cancer free in 2007 after undergoing chemotherapy and surgery.”

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hocuspocusfocusjeep 20 points ago +20 / -0

Get the fuck outta here with that garbage. That might might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard

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SamQuentin1 2 points ago +2 / -0

Undeletepatent

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cjcivicx 9 points ago +10 / -1

Jump in front of the next bus you are supposed to take to the welfare office... no one will miss you.

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DividesByZero 2 points ago +2 / -0

Stage 4 means he had some lung mats - he probably had a lung or portions of both removed which made this that much harder on him. So sad.

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djmarcone 3 points ago +10 / -7

So... He died from colon cancer and they also had a "positive" test for C19. Is that what happened?

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HuggableBear 9 points ago +11 / -2

No, he had both and the combined stress from both was more than he could recover from. neither one killed him on its own.

It doesn't have to be binary.

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ShadeCat 6 points ago +6 / -0

I had COVID I fucks your immune system up. If he had cancer and it there's No doubt he wouldn't last long.

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remember1776 1 point ago +1 / -0

I dont wanna go down that dark path

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Kekintosh2020 38 points ago +38 / -0 (edited)

In Atlanta

spez: Unless you want to be executed for $52,000, don't walk into an ER in a blue shithole, they're going to murder you. Take the T-Pak or Pulmocort in a nebulizer.

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proDeoEtPatria 6 points ago +6 / -0

Agreed

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msean3231 28 points ago +28 / -0

The whistle blower nurse from Elmhurst hospital says this happens and I think the ventilator death rates are extremely high. Something is fishy with the whole ventilator thing.

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SkyEater2 12 points ago +12 / -0

They're like anti- vice - grips forcing open your chest. Almost barbaric.

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NormaJeanRocks 9 points ago +10 / -1

I've heard 8/10 end up dead that go on ventilators, not sure if thats fact or not though.

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SamQuentin1 3 points ago +3 / -0

That was a number early in this....I believe that ventilators may make this disease worse...

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kag-2020- 3 points ago +3 / -0

The lungs are weak so forcing pressurized air into them totally destroys them. They just need O2 not ventilators.

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Italians_Invented_2A 2 points ago +2 / -0

Number is true, but that's because they put in ventilators only the patients that are in desperate conditions.

Without ventilators, it's possible 10/10 would have died.

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NormaJeanRocks 2 points ago +2 / -0

You need to watch that video of the nurse that came out claiming how people coming into hospitals only showing symptoms were intubated, then later died.

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DannySaySay 3 points ago +3 / -0

Link? I've watched part of this, but doubt I'd be able to find it via googling.

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DRKMSTR 2 points ago +2 / -0

Try 9/10

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Slick_Willy 6 points ago +6 / -0

94% death rate once they vent you

Fuck that shit

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MAGA45_2 3 points ago +3 / -0

It’s not the vent that kills them, its just that once the disease progresses to the point where a ventilator is needed the chance of surviving is very very low. If you need to be vented and don’t you will die 100% of the time.

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proDeoEtPatria 25 points ago +28 / -3

Didn’t he have advanced colon cancer? He died with covid, not from it..

Be cautious of the Enemy of the People, they will try and use his non covid caused death to advance their tyranny

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Italians_Invented_2A 4 points ago +4 / -0

No, he's been cancer free for a decade.

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Bax101 20 points ago +21 / -1

Not to mention the known 8 to 9 IV's they hook into you with opioid derivatives. You get put on that with the ventilation, you die.

Hermain Cain may your spirit remain fighting for us within the spiritual world.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 12 points ago +12 / -0

Accurate. If you're on a ventilator for weeks, or in this case, almost a month, the chances of lung infection, or development of pnemonia goes up substantially, covid or not. Basically the lungs stop being able to breathe on their own in simple terms. They may not have killed him but malpractice with the ventilators is not a good thing

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MAGA45_2 2 points ago +2 / -0

And guess what will happen if you can’t breathe without a ventilator and they don’t vent you. You’re going to die also.

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JuicyfearsMAGA 2 points ago +2 / -0

And guess what? They put a HELL of a lot more people on ventilators than they needed to. Last resort, not first response as is/was the case for this.

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Grunge 1 point ago +1 / -0

Here's the thing. He could breathe without it. They kept him on it because his breathing was weak.

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SquirrelsAreCommies 11 points ago +14 / -3

Really?

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xzars_folly 32 points ago +32 / -0

Its pretty well documented ventilators kill covid patients.

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MAGA45_2 3 points ago +3 / -0

If you have progressed to the point of requiring a vent, you will die without it. It’s just that when people get to that point they are absurdly ill and the chance of recovery is very low, it would be even lower if they didn’t vent you.

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panthicc 3 points ago +3 / -0

Alternatively, they could have tried HCQ at any point during the month he was hospitalized.

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Grunge 3 points ago +3 / -0

Or you know while he was traveling around before he tested positive...

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xzars_folly 1 point ago +1 / -0

the death rate plummeted when they stopped putting people on forced air breathing and favored oxygen instead.

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sustainable_saltmine 27 points ago +27 / -0

guaranteed someone was at least trying to make him go south because he was at the Tulsa rally and they're trying HARD to "own Trump" for having the rally "during a pandemic"

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Walrusend 9 points ago +9 / -0

I really think you're right and it's disgusting that things have got to that point. I bet Trump has been checking up on Cain, and this is probably why he canceled the convention last week, if Cain took a turn for the worse. We lost a good man. And now the media will taint his legacy with their scare scam.

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Grunge 1 point ago +1 / -0

Considering he was improving but they never quite took him off the ventilator... they killed him with negligence. I was on a ventilator once and I could not breathe with it on. I had to physically fight to get it off my face so I could breathe.

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fazzman23 5 points ago +5 / -0

came here to ask this. can you verify it?

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DCdeplorable 7 points ago +7 / -0

I read he was on oxygen, but didn't see the word "ventilator" anywhere. The pressure of a ventilator was shown to be horribly bad for COVID all the way back when Cuomo was slaughtering nursing home patients and the rest of the country was COVID-free. So if he was put on a pressurized vent, they fucking murdered him.

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trump_lsd 4 points ago +21 / -17

There’s...no reason to kill Herman Cain though? That’s what old people do, they die. Not every single thing is cloaked in like 4 layers of “muh conspiracy”.

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tankmanban 34 points ago +35 / -1

He was off the plantation.

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MIKEOBAMA 8 points ago +8 / -0

Now he's voting Democrat 😔

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Tokens_Worth 21 points ago +22 / -1

Time will tell.
Watch them blame the Tulsa rally.

I'm also not saying on purpose.
I'm saying that not doing all you can to save a life is akin to murder.

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SpezSux123 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yeah, the media is going to be dumping on MAGA more than usual today. Hopefully, we can get the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition released to take the heat off.

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SamQuentin1 3 points ago +3 / -0

Delayed until Monday while she appeals

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trump_lsd 6 points ago +6 / -0

Then..let them blame the Tulsa rally? Who cares. Cain was old and HE decided not to wear a mask. There was risks and he rolled the dice. But on your last point, true.

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Swallwell_Gas_Co 4 points ago +4 / -0

Already happening. “Cain attended rally with no mask and was taken to hospital 7-1”.

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PraiseBeKekMachine 7 points ago +9 / -2

In reality, yes. Yes it is.

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trump_lsd 5 points ago +6 / -1

If you’re operating from a point of “government is 100% competent and effective” which...in reality, no. No it’s not.

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PraiseBeKekMachine 2 points ago +2 / -0

I operate from “theres more happening behind the scenes than your SIMPle brain can fathom”, so yes. Yes there is almost always more than meets the eye, and you should know this if you have been paying one iota of attention the last four years. Fucking smooth brains even on this site!

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trump_lsd -2 points ago +1 / -3

The human body may be miraculous in its complexity, but our societal systems & operations surely aren’t. Be real, man. I’m certainly not saying there’s not conspiracies on some things. Of course there is. And I’m sure there’s lots of “things” kept secret in the name of “national security.” But presently there’s sloppiness all over. And realistically, even though your big brain has difficulty coming to terms with it, events are sometimes as simple as an old man just kind of..dies. Especially considering the old man in question had cancer and chose not to wear a mask at a packed rally. Play stupid games...

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dykstra89 3 points ago +3 / -0

There's no reason to kill all the people they did with ventilators. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

These people are completely demented psychos

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Afripede 3 points ago +3 / -0

it's a really great time to kill someone. Not only because of the ready excuse of caronavirus but because enough people are dying that it doesn't gain attention.

I predict he won't be the last black conservative leader to die in short order.

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Bramble -1 points ago +1 / -2

Cancer killed him. They likely wouldn't put him in HCQ anyway because it is an immunosuppressant, and his immune system already was compromised from cancer treatments. He probably wouldn't have much of an immune system left to fight the virus on HCQ.

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libman -4 points ago +1 / -5

Please stop pretending you know more than all the biotech researchers in the world combined...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxychloroquine

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TrumpBringsLight 1 point ago +1 / -0

CNBC said no ventilator

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President_Trump 2 points ago +2 / -0

They murdered him. No different than a stabbing.

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proDeoEtPatria 144 points ago +144 / -0

What? Oh man

I swear RBG is making trade off deals with Satan right now wtf

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HillarysStrapOn 30 points ago +30 / -0 (edited)

Wayfair deliveries by the dump truck load

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libman 16 points ago +17 / -1

RBG has done more damage to America than all the Muslim terrorists combined.

Wishing that RBG got COVID does not make you a bad person. But rapid-onset flesh-eating bacteria is much better. 👿

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TrumpVictorious 140 points ago +140 / -0

This is too bad. Great guy. Cain was 74 and with a history of metastatic colon cancer, clearly at high risk of bad outcome from Coronavirus. Press 9/9/9 for respects.

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slimcoat 42 points ago +42 / -0

9/9/9 kept my SimCity running smoothly for years. Mr. Cain was definitely on to something. May he rest in peace.

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saco 7 points ago +7 / -0

ha ha. One of my favorite games.

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FredWinston2.0 11 points ago +11 / -0

999

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jdovejr 5 points ago +6 / -1

9/9/9

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kag-2020- 3 points ago +3 / -0

9/9/9

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Chad_Landlord 117 points ago +117 / -0

The left: Black Lives Matter!!

Also the left: Herman Cain died?? LOOOOOL what a COVIDIOT #TulsaTrumpRally #TrumpVirus

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Italians_Invented_2A 9 points ago +9 / -0

He ain't black

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ZEEOHHSIX 5 points ago +7 / -2

I’d rather die a free man than live as a masked slave.

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RegularAmerican 1 point ago +1 / -0

Cain did actually wear a mask when he was out in public gatherings. Looks like masks work guys! Make sure to wear yours even tho it's 110 outside today

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RegularAmerican 2 points ago +2 / -0

I just looked at my reddit for some reason. I saw someone say something nasty about him and I said wtf am I still doing here? I only really look at some of the gun subs at this point. Even r/aww which was usually cute animals is now old gay couples making out. I uninstalled the apps from my phone fuck reddit & Fuck spez and then rest of those cock suckers

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PoorMansPsychiatrist 87 points ago +87 / -0

Just read he had stage 4 colon cancer as well. RIP to a great patriot.

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hisnamewasjeff 36 points ago +38 / -2

Yeah, he died because of the cancer.

The virus is so politicized that I swear someone who has:

AIDS, Cancer, Syphillis, Covid

would kill himself and the cause of death would be classified as Covid instead of suicide

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HuggableBear 9 points ago +10 / -1

OR

It could be a combination of both that killed him earlier than either would have alone.

The world isn't binary.

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trumpetdootdoot 4 points ago +4 / -0

Plus the dude was 74 and worked all his life. I think the virus just moved up his clock by half a year or so.

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Charankoo 1 point ago +1 / -0

Most likely his lungs failed. I was reading his tweets. His Twitter was updated every so often with his condition, and he did say his lungs were in bad shape and it was a slow recovery, and I think this week another update said he was on oxygen, and then today this horrible news. He mentioned nothing of cancer or anything. I think he has been cancer free for over a decade.

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trumpetdootdoot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Right, I'm thinking surely the cancer left his immune system very weak and inhibited proper drug utilization. I'm no specialist, work in the pharmacy and patients that have recovered from cancer, even decades later still have weird interactions with common drugs. Regardless, it's a shame he passed away. One of my favorite normal Joe's.

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Spongebob1808 8 points ago +8 / -0

“Cain, a former Godfather's Pizza CEO, survived stage 4 colon cancer, which was diagnosed in 2006. He was given a 30% chance of survival then after the cancer had spread to his liver, but was declared cancer free in 2007 after undergoing chemotherapy and surgery.“

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Chillaxyall 3 points ago +3 / -0

No idea he had cancer. They def wont say that detail.

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Charankoo 3 points ago +3 / -0

He's been cancel free since 2007 apparently.

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Weremoose 1 point ago +1 / -0

Still fucks with your system

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IdahoMan87 76 points ago +76 / -0

He was my choice in 2012, before the democrats fabricated some convenient rape accusations, forcing me to hold my nose and vote for Mittens. I wish I’d wrote-in this patriot instead.

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nmipede 12 points ago +12 / -0

Mine too.

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Imjustin1000 9 points ago +9 / -0

Same, this dude was a real American.

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Trubs 8 points ago +8 / -0

Same

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nethyek 6 points ago +6 / -0

He wasn’t mine but he should have been. I was dumb then.

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brother_red 6 points ago +6 / -0

My choice too.

Fuck Mittens though. I wrote in someone better. (I was in a hard-blue state, so whatever.)

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OrangeFruitGood 5 points ago +5 / -0

Same.

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Modus_Pwninz 1 point ago +1 / -0

Imagine the regret of voting for Mitt fucking Romney.

People ask me why I never voted before 2016...

Mitt Romney, John McCain, George Bush... Honestly, I can't live with the regret. Those guys were all extreme faggots. Trump deserves votes. He deserves everyone's vote.

Biden deserves bed rest and rice pudding every Monday, Wednesday and Friday if he's a good boi.

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Chillaxyall 60 points ago +60 / -0

They’re gonna blame Trump because he was last seen at the Tulsa rally. RIP

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GuacBowls 27 points ago +27 / -0

John Roberts of FOX already hinted at this.

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htowngetdown 12 points ago +12 / -0

Cuck supreme

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novaks47 16 points ago +16 / -0

I already saw one article with a standalone sentence saying that "attended the Tusla rally without wearing a mask". They're going to hump the "he wasn't wearing a mask!" shit now.

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Jack 3 points ago +3 / -0

Unless it's one of those coveted n95 holy relic mask reserved for doctors wearing a mask does fuck all except keeping some of your own germs on the mask. Those shitty cloth masks is to (somewhat) protect healthy people from sick people by having the sick wear the mask.

So the whole wasn't wearing a mask isn't even a valid argument unless the argument is "Hermain Cain was sick and spread his germs at the rally." But it's not, they're saying he attended the rally and didn't wear a fucking cloth mask that doesn't protect shit if someone infected is spreading his germs without a mask.

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novaks47 2 points ago +2 / -0

Exactly! If anything they just proved masks don't do shit.

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Kekintosh2020 5 points ago +5 / -0

Could have gotten the Shanghai Shakes anywhere

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EmeraldsEnnit 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've just seen an article slip in "Ten days before, Cain had attended a rally for President Donald Trump in Tulsa, Oklahoma."

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OGRapHat 1 point ago +1 / -0

They are on redacted and very happy about it too. Sick.

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Grunge 1 point ago +1 / -0

Even though he was traveling frequently before and after the rally.

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Azure_Comet 59 points ago +59 / -0

People are cheering this.

Unfuckingreal.

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SoYuge 41 points ago +41 / -0

They are celebrating his death, a man who hurt nobody.

But will freak out if you even hint George Floyd held a fucking gun up to a pregnant belly.

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HungNavySeal300Kills 19 points ago +19 / -0

Have you read the George Floyd police report?

I've made maybe a dozen comments on this because people keep pushing this "george floyd was found guilty of holding a gun aimed at someone".

What really happened.

He and 5 other men broke into a women's home. They held her against her will (kidnapping) and the ringleader identified as the big guy, aka George Floyd. Beat her face. Beat her sides, aka her stomach or womb. With a pistol. These wounds were identified by police.

They beat her because she didn't provide them with drugs or money. So they beat her some more. Still failed to provide them with drugs or money. So they beat her some more. This is torture.

And who was in the room with her? Her one year old daughter. Her baby girl was made to watch her mom be tortured by a gang of men led by George Floyd.

We don't know what else they were going to do to her because a neighbor had called the cops immediately, so the cops wailed in close and the thugs scrambled out of there so quick they left one guy by accident.

George Floyd kidnapped and tortured a pregnant woman in front of her one year old daughter.

George Floyd kidnapped and tortured a pregnant woman in front of her one year old daughter.

George Floyd kidnapped and tortured a pregnant woman in front of her one year old daughter.

Please stop preaching BLM propaganda. Please say what really happened.

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dontUseVinegerAsLube 4 points ago +4 / -0

Link to the police report?

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HungNavySeal300Kills 5 points ago +5 / -0

I put it up in a new post. I think it let me upload full resolution so it should be entirely legible.

https://thedonald.win/p/Gboq5jpC/

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OrangeFruitGood 7 points ago +7 / -0

Evil people.

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DannySaySay 4 points ago +4 / -0

Repub dies: LOL they dumb

Dem dies: OMG Trump's fault

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Jack 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's 2020 my dude:

Repub dies: $0 in property damage

Dem dies: Tens of Millions in property damage and collateral deaths

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Bearing51 55 points ago +56 / -1

I bet these savage fucks didn't treat him properly. RIP you glorious man.

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DrPepeTheFrog 41 points ago +41 / -0

I guarantee he won't get 10% of the funeral dignity and attention that Cummings, Lewis, and even Floyd got.

What a shame.

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axrevolutionai 12 points ago +12 / -0

He has 1000% more dignity, when his family is handed an American flag that flag actually means something

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TuckerCarlsonsTie 3 points ago +3 / -0

Exactly, he’s a man who threw the ideological shackles of the Democrat plantation on the ground and believed in the freedom and efficacy of the individual to not be a perpetual victim.

F for this Based Pizza Merchant. R.I.P.

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Italians_Invented_2A 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's so sad, and so true.

An American that contributed to the country gets less recognition than a fucking thug who died of overdose.

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djmarcone 6 points ago +6 / -0

if you're not a elderly person with cancer .... probably GTG ackshually.

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ArrowheadBB 4 points ago +5 / -1

The Spanish flu ended because of herd immunity. Blame China, not the mask less.

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Chad_Landlord -80 points ago +29 / -109 (edited)

Probably an unpopular opinion here, but you should wear a mask in high crowded areas. Not because you have to, or because anybody in particular is telling you to, but because its the right thing to do.

Edit: Jesus christ guys calm the fuck down. Even Trump said we should wear a masks, lol. It takes zero effort and it blocks droplet transmission. Its not 100% effective, but its something. And that little something could be the difference between life and death for someone. I don't believe in forcing anyone to wear one, but you should still make the choice to by yourself.

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hocuspocusfocusjeep 43 points ago +53 / -10

Masks don’t work

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kag-2020- 8 points ago +8 / -0

I'd like to see these clowns walk into a lab with actual deadly pathogens with their garbage masks on. There's a reason why you need layers of latex. We'd need to be in bubbles to really protect ourselves.

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hocuspocusfocusjeep 19 points ago +19 / -0

Be an example and quit being such a faggot. I hope to God you’re not a male role model to anyone

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Chad_Landlord 12 points ago +15 / -3

Its a leftist troll. Look at the comment history. All downvoted, lol. Report.

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HungNavySeal300Kills 14 points ago +14 / -0

Let me guess. Not your president?

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Showmegoing313 9 points ago +9 / -0

This is what we call mental illness .

I spend all my free time on sites I don't like trying to troll haha dump trumpf.

Dont care, still voting trump Trump2020 faggot

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Chad_Landlord 8 points ago +10 / -2

Lol faggot troll detected

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Oda_nicullah 4 points ago +4 / -0

Who let this cuck in here?

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magaorg 1 point ago +1 / -0

Poor trolling

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slimcoat 30 points ago +34 / -4

fuck off with that emotionally manipulative grandstanding

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sustainable_saltmine 27 points ago +33 / -6

fuck you and fuck that narrative. There is no proof masks do anything to stop the spread. The material would have to be so dense you couldnt breathe through it if it were to stop particles from passing through.

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SirSeizureSalad 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm not getting involved in the masks debate, but just to clarify how N95s work (not surgical masks, which are 100% useless, unless you're using a surgical to cover an N95 for their fluid resistance). Masks don't work like a sieve, N95s are highly specialized fabrics that catch viruses by electromagnet forces, van der waals.

https://youtu.be/eAdanPfQdCA?t=10

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JackOfDiamonds 2 points ago +8 / -6

The idea isn't that the holes in cloth are too small for virus particles to pass through; it was that it slowed the velocity of vapor exiting when you breathe or cough. Masks do virtually nothing to protect the wearer, but might possibly slightly protect everyone else if the wearer is infected.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 9 points ago +9 / -0

Staying home has always been effective against spreading infectious diseases to others, which is why when people are sick with the flu they stay home from work so they don’t infect the whole office. The same principle applies here; if you are sick, stay home.

Healthy people running around wearing masks is retarded.

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mathman 2 points ago +3 / -1

Minor correction: it's not vapor, it's aerosol droplets or possibly larger drops.

And if it slows the velocity of droplets exiting, it would also slow the velocity of droplets entering.

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Chad_Landlord 4 points ago +4 / -0

Aerosols and droplets are two different things.

Aerosols are essentially microscopic droplets that travel much further and remain airborn. Tuberculosis is an example. They can be spread by simply breathing. Cloth masks do jackshit to stop this, you need a special-fitted n95 to stop aerosols.

Droplets are just that, tiny droplets that come out when sneezing or coughing. They usually travel a couple feet. This is what cloth masks stops.

Its not much, but its something.

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Oda_nicullah 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just because you didn’t get enough attention as a child, it’s not trumps fault

We know the syndrome that you suffer from, but the good thing is there are cures

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Luvmyhub75 3 points ago +3 / -0

We don’t just “follow our president!” We use judgement

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freevortex 21 points ago +23 / -2 (edited)

Hey, I figured I'd actually give you a link to some peer-reviewed evidence to read regarding the ineffectiveness of masks, rather than just shouting at you like everyone else seems to be doing. Take a look at this article, and read through some of the referenced papers.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

We change people's minds with facts, not name-calling.

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Pepe 11 points ago +11 / -0

Jesus... top paragraph on that link:

The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection.

aka WAAAAAAH!!! REEEEEEE!! CANCEL!!

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freevortex 4 points ago +4 / -0

I love that instead of bowing to the cancel culture, they actually took the time to blow those people out of the water by replying to each and every one of those points with facts. It's the best smackdown I've seen in a while.

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returnofpancake 8 points ago +9 / -1

Allow me to add to your list pede.

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

“Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. ... Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

Your citations are uninformed (i.e. you don't realize what they say) at best, and disingenuous (i.e. you are intentionally misinterpreting them ) at worst.

Nearly all of the studies and systematic reviews address the wearing of masks by healthcare workers, i.e. to prevent infection due to contact with symptomatic patients. That's much different from the purpose of wearing a mask in public, which is to block or at least reduce the shedding of virus by an asymptomatic carrier in public.

I actually followed all your links. The one to cambridge.org like leads to a 404, but that's because there's a space inserted after "systematic-". Perhaps coincidentally, that's the one that explicitly contradicts your claim. Here's the full URL:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05/core-reader

It reviews a number of studies in a healthcare setting, but also includes an experimental study:

We identified one study that examined the efficacy of face masks in filtering influenza virus in volunteer subjects. Johnson and colleagues tested the performance of surgical and N95 masks to filter virus in nine volunteers with confirmed influenza A or B virus infection. Participants coughed five times onto a Petri dish containing viral transport medium held 20 cm in front of their mouth. The experiment was repeated with subjects wearing a surgical mask, and wearing an N95 respirator. While influenza virus could be detected by RT–PCR in all nine volunteers without a mask, no influenza virus could be detected on the Petri dish specimens when participants wore either type of face mask. A limitation was that the study did not consider the role of leakage around the sides of the mask.

It also references four studies in a community setting, specifically among members of a household. Again, most were for people in a household wearing masks to prevent an infection from an ill household member. But, there was at least one that included mask usage by the infected patient:

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/12/e012330.long

Every study I've read on the use of masks in a household setting report the same problem: lack of compliance. This one in particular reports that participants were removing their masks while eating meals with the rest of their household. Despite these limitations, this study did find the that masks reduced the spread of infection, but because there were so few participants and the difference was small, it wasn't statistically significant. But, the authors recommended further study in their closing:

Reducing the transmission of respiratory pathogens by source patients could also have further benefits in the community in preventing transmission of infection to close contacts such as those in the same household, and should be studied further.

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returnofpancake 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry for the bad link wasn't intentional.

Please include studies that show bandanas over the face also reduce transmission (since they are accepted by mask mandates in addition to n95)

I agree with you, there isn't enough evidence or studies with enough volume to really give a conclusion but those are all I could find... A few of them just compare n95 to surgeons masks.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 3 points ago +3 / -0

Stop moving the goalposts. I wrote nothing about bandanas, and neither did any of the articles you cited.

Please at least read the articles you cited, instead of copy/pasting the URLs because you think the title supports your claim. If you dig deeper, you'll find many of the authors admit they have methodological problems that makes any conclusion (either pro or con) suspect. It made me wonder why they even published the study regarding household use, until I got to the acknowledgment that it was in response to a grant.

I honestly don't know why comparing a cloth mask to N95 is relevant at all. If one is 95% effective and another is 50% effective, that's no reason to throw up our hands and say: "Well, why bother if it's not 100% effective"?

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returnofpancake 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry for the goalposts, I just meant that there wasn't enough data to show that masks conclusively worked. Negative or inconclusive (due to parameters, size, or human factor) seem to be the result of attempted studies, I wish there were more solid conclusions. I can only think that companies like 3M who are poised to make billions by stopping the spread of airborne illness would be all over it if it possible.

My irritation about masks is that a piece of cloth like a bandana satisfies safety requirements... Everything only looks safe and I'm worried more people will get hurt by that false sense of security.

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returnofpancake 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for communicating, I appreciate it even if we don't agree completely.

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returnofpancake 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also, from a common sense standpoint. Have you seen people wearing masks? Many don't even wear them correctly, many don't wash or dispose them after each use, and they always seem to be touching their face and moving it around. Not everyone is a HCW... Do you think there is an increased chance of transmission because of masks used incorrectly?

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DisgustedByMisleadia 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yes, I see lots of people touching their mask and contaminating their hands. But, people touch their face or rub their nose, even without a mask. So, frequent hand-washing is still a necessary precaution.

One of the studies reviewed by an article you cited even stated: we didn't find any studies that found a statistically significant benefit from hand-washing or mask usage alone, but we found that the combination of the two did have a measurable benefit in a university residence hall.

I also see people exposing their nose and covering only their mouth. If it's the only way they will leave the mask on, at least it will block shedding of the virus from talking and coughing, but not sneezing. As Meatloaf famously sang: "two out of three ain't bad."

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freevortex 6 points ago +6 / -0 (edited)

I appreciate the links, anything we can do to get this info out to more people is a good thing!

we continue to conclude that cloth masks and face coverings are likely to have limited impact on lowering COVID-19 transmission, because they have minimal ability to prevent the emission of small particles, offer limited personal protection with respect to small particle inhalation, and should not be recommended as a replacement for physical distancing or reducing time in enclosed spaces with many potentially infectious people. We are very concerned about messaging that suggests cloth masks or face coverings can replace physical distancing. We also worry that the public doesn't understand the limitations of cloth masks and face coverings when we observe how many people wear their mask under their nose or even under their mouth, remove their masks when talking to someone nearby, or fail to practice physical distancing when wearing a mask.

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kimjongveryill 2 points ago +2 / -0

Edited my bad!

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freevortex 4 points ago +4 / -0

No worries man :) love the lists. Gotta spread the word!

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Chad_Landlord 2 points ago +5 / -3

Thanks, man! I hate to see my community turn this fucking toxic so quickly.

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StrangerThanFiction 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is great article and very informative. However, why do they still support cloth masks if they are minimally effective? Not shilling, genuinely curious. It's on the level of here's a list of Hillary's crime, but no reasonable prosecutor...

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago +2 / -0

If you read the article, they specifically state:

Wearing a cloth mask or face covering could be better than doing nothing, but we simply don’t know at this point

Their largest concern is the mistaken belief that masks are a substitute for more effective measures:

Despite the current limited scientific data detailing their effectiveness, we support the wearing of face coverings by the public when mandated and when in close contact with people whose infection status they don't know. However, we also encourage everyone to continue to limit their time spent indoors near potentially infectious people and to not count on or expect a cloth mask or face covering to protect them or the people around them.

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StrangerThanFiction 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I know. I read it. They also specifically state, for some unknown reason, that they still support use of cloth masks, where mandated. That is what makes no sense to me.

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dadwasasmallbusiness 13 points ago +15 / -2

If it’s the right thing for your person, you should wear a mask. Don’t tell someone else it’s right for them.

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thepilotofmoya 12 points ago +14 / -2

Why is it the right thing to do?

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mathman 4 points ago +4 / -0

cuz feelz!

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PraiseBeKekMachine 11 points ago +12 / -1

You forgot the sarcasm “/s”

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Satellite 10 points ago +14 / -4

Fuck off commie

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Showmegoing313 10 points ago +14 / -4

How about this, fuck off and be deported. Go breathe in your own toxins and get more brain damage.

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Tannhauser 9 points ago +11 / -2

You should just wear the Star of David. Because you have to, because those Brown Shirt thugs in particular are telling you to. Because if you dont, you will be beaten and killed as opposed to being led like a lamb to slaughter...

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Supernova 7 points ago +9 / -2

Link to a study that shows masks work or fuck off.

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Slick_Willy 1 point ago +1 / -0

and crickets

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Supernova 1 point ago +1 / -0

Lol fake news. That's already been debunked 7 ways to Sunday.

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ripturntle 4 points ago +7 / -3

Make sure to take the vaccine too.

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djmarcone 3 points ago +3 / -0

To conceal your identity to avoid facial recognition and tracking? Check.