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Mad_Hattie 262 points ago +279 / -17

While I don't think a ban is needed, it isn't just a men problem.

Women watch it too.

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KAG_FTW 221 points ago +232 / -11

Women read porn, too. Romance fiction does the same thing to women as visual porn does to men.

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Hotdog804 296 points ago +299 / -3

My wife watches a lot of HGTV remodeling shows and fantasizes about having a bigger kitchen and master bathroom, than I can currently give her.

Is that sort of like the same thing as porn?

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2godbthegloryamen [S] 114 points ago +114 / -0

Lol. Can relate.

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MikeObamasVeineyCock 32 points ago +34 / -2

No, reality tv is some sort of sexual competition. Female crack. I call it pornoball.

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MindsetRoulette 59 points ago +60 / -1

Between 2008 and 2020 my family has taken it's hits. So me and my brother are planning out a multi family house build so we aren't all individually drowning. Get us back to low cost of living. Living in simple comfort instead of expensive luxury.

Every day all we get is "but i must have a walk-in closet, a massive bathroom, granite countertops, top of the line everything, and building 4+ houses instead of one multi-family house."

Even after all this, they can't give up their luxury and demand they continue wasting their life trying to pay the debts of all their crap.

I'm going as close to Amish as i can get and then just laugh at them when I'm retired by 40 while they won't even have retirement by 70.

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Magistra 37 points ago +38 / -1

While I have/want all the modern life luxuries (space, temp control, locks, internet....etc) I think we have made ourselves too comfortable. In the past 25 years we’ve completely eliminated the NEED for FAITH IN GOD! I fear we are in for a stripping, of sorts. Luckily, I TRUST in God to lead us Home. ✝️

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ImFinallyNotAnAlt 6 points ago +7 / -1

We’ve replaced God to worship the work of our hands. Can tell you first hand it’s empty.

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DenKon_Zenith 3 points ago +3 / -0

I build and fix things to get closer to God. I feel it gives me just the faintest hint at what he feels for us when I create something I find valuable and useful.

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Gyrfalcon 31 points ago +31 / -0

I view the HGTV remodelling shows as fantasy. Fun to watch, but my reality is much different.

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PikeyCaravan 20 points ago +21 / -1

Just pick different shades of white and you have HGTV.

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LiberTerrarium 14 points ago +15 / -1

Underrated comment.

And add shiplap and/or subway tile. 🤣

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Kolob 23 points ago +23 / -0

LOL, my husband was the one constantly complaining about how cheap I was. He has at times begged me to buy new clothes. Goes both ways

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MindsetRoulette 17 points ago +17 / -0

Oh Absolutely. We all blur that line between want and need on something.

I can be the same way with clothes. Every decade or so I buy 5 t-shirts and 5 pairs of pants on sale. Set for another decade.

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LaymanLeathers 4 points ago +4 / -0

It is sad to watch people slave away to pay off money they already borrowed and spent years ago. This is why I've been quietly building my business off of nothing but pocket cash over the course of months. No debt for me no thank you!

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RedTeamGo 28 points ago +28 / -0

Don't let you memes be dreams, fren. Get all sweaty and dirty. Get down on your hands and knees. Dig in.

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RedTeamGo 2 points ago +2 / -0

That's what frens are for.

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Vino 7 points ago +7 / -0

I did this to my home. It wouldnt sell because the owner spent all his money on the house, and left the yard covered in trees. I got it cheap! Took me 6mnths to get it looking good. Then my property taxes went up 100k.

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sleepingbeautyc 3 points ago +3 / -0

Then my property taxes went up 100k.

WHAT? The amount you are assessed on went up 100k or your taxes went up 100k?

Still that is a d'oh moment.

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sdl5 2 points ago +2 / -0

Ouch!

One of the legacy things CA did right was Prop13:

No more than 4% prop tax increase a year allowed as long as you still own your home, and only if value climbs that much in last year.

And, if value plunges like in our crash, it can be temp dropped until value recovers to old tax level...plus 4% more for each year since, so they get catch up if it shoots up say year 5 of a downturn. Still...

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JG_Wentworth 11 points ago +11 / -0

Underground sprinklers on a timer so you never have to water again.

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LookFatty 8 points ago +8 / -0

Full chub..

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memechallenger33 2 points ago +2 / -0

I want a self-cleaning bathroom, kind of like a self cleaning oven. Turn it on, come back later, rinse, and you are done.

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JG_Wentworth 2 points ago +2 / -0

I hear they have those in California. Would you prefer the Miss Gonzales or Miss Martinez model?

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Rawnold_Reagan 10 points ago +10 / -0

Its work but it is a tad easier than a lot of people think. Start with your yard shape drawn on a piece of paper, look at pictures, and start from the ground up. Look at or mark down where the sun hits and at what times. Google plants for your growth zone. Take the amount of sun into consideration and move things around. Remember that it will take to year 3 to look close to the pictures however. Year 1 and 2 the plants have to establish.

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ARfreedom 15 points ago +16 / -1

Sounds like house porn to me. I'm currently upgrading my wife's walk-in closet, so I'm giving her the house porn good this week.

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Irish_Wolfhound 14 points ago +14 / -0

It's not the size of the kitchen, but what you cook in it, friend.

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doctorhillbilly 10 points ago +10 / -0

The Bible says that one should not covet our neighbors wife, house or property. The moral imperative is to be happy with what we have and can provide ourselves not what others have or have earned. It’s not just about our partners.

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ruskiebot00100011 3 points ago +3 / -0

True contentment

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KuhlooKuhlay 10 points ago +11 / -1

tell her it's not the size of the kitchen but how she uses it... and then toss her an apron and slap her on the ass.

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RealRedneck 9 points ago +9 / -0

Year 5 of the remodel here.

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RealRedneck 11 points ago +11 / -0

We ordered blinds on Monday. We've had tape and construction paper since we started. TBH the 1960s rancher we bought had good bones, but was due for an overhaul. We've been paying as we go with me and dad doing most of the work. Sometimes it feels like we're not making progress, but we've had other fish to fry like a medical issue that's cost over $50k.

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Magistra 7 points ago +7 / -0

🙏 I hope everyone is recovering from the medical issues and that you find great peace and satisfaction in your home that you poured love and sweat equity into. Persistence and grit are underrated qualities.

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RealRedneck 3 points ago +3 / -0

Like the house we're still working on the medical issue. We've been working with a specialist in NYC so the Chicom Flu and domestic terrorists have slowed things down on that front. 16 hour round trips for doctor appointments take a bit of planning and money.

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MachinistBob 8 points ago +8 / -0

Fucking Hallmark Channel.

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incogneato 9 points ago +9 / -0

Hallmark Channel is actually very wholesome and family-oriented. It's okay.

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MachinistBob 3 points ago +3 / -0

It’s wholesome, I can’t argue that, but it’s predictable, formulaic, and the story lines are pretty far fetched. Just one mans opinion though.

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nono you are entirely correct.

It feeds into the idea that most "regular people" have perfect outcomes with only trivial effort and all normally destructive or emotionally awful roadblocks are resolved by happy thoughts.

And let's just ignore the wild mismatch of lifestyles to supposed jobs or families!

They are the Harlequin paperbacks of tv romances- cut and paste about 5 different characters and 4 locales or seasons and 8 career settings, modify a few details, market it!

Even excessively naive kid ME lost interest in the whole genre after the first 5 years of youthful marriage- it became obvious the writers lacked imagination OR any sense of reality and they weren't even escapism any more.

Now it's super in for romance series to be about ex Seals and black ops heroes and Chad Wolf types- another near impossible male role fantasy, but at least most women can recognize that!

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abednigo1 6 points ago +6 / -0

This is a funny and very accurate analogy. I'd say this is quite almost the very same thing. Being rooted and content in reality is an enormous feat of self satisafaction. Porn is a lie. All vices are lies. Think about it: they trade temporary relief and satisfaction for permanent addiction and an incessant inability to deal with actual solutions for your needs, bringing shame and sorrow along the way to their inevitable path of hopelessness. It's not just the obvious vices either, such as porn and drugs or alcohol. Anger, laziness, apathy, greed, etc. all lead the same way, resolving nothing for you in the moments we choose them over an actual permanent solution for acaheiving true peace of mind.

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Tardigrade 5 points ago +5 / -0

The property brothers make me especially uneasy.

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RenaissanceOfHope 3 points ago +3 / -0

Why do they make you uneasy?

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Tardigrade 5 points ago +5 / -0

Im joking, but theyre good-looking guys that my wife likes to watch for some reason. 🤔

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habanero 4 points ago +6 / -2

Mine wants a new and better car every 4 years. I'm told her next car will be a Tesla now, smh. Quality and frequency of sex has been deteriorating though. "Headaches". I heard that the best cure for headaches for women in their 40s is having a large tittied, beautiful, young, single neighbor, or a coworker. You don't even have to do anything as a man - the "headaches" just go away entirely.

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Hardcouer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Lol. In seriousness, greed and lust have many similarities but are not the same. Our brains have a lot of hard wired programming relating to sex and sex triggers pleasure centres in a way money does not; it's physiologically addictive. On the other hand, greed is more insidious, as it promises to solve all of lifes problems.

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sdl5 3 points ago +3 / -0

Haven't eavesdropped on women talking about their favorite remodel shows and fantasies, have you?

Definitely lust and addictive need for the rush, pretyy sure it triggers the endorphin center...

Biggest difference is most guys don't openly discuss their porn viewing with the guys, nor brag on forcing the wifie to fulfill what they saw on the screen. JS

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incogneato 3 points ago +3 / -0

I have heard those shows referred to as "house porn." No kidding.

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ShakeYourTrumpThang 2 points ago +2 / -0

They always want bigger, don't they? 😉😉

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JustInTime2_ 1 point ago +1 / -0

Keep the. Away from these tabloid magazines. Never understand why people would buy this crap.

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peltast 2 points ago +2 / -0

The sickest kind available.

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Unhappymeal 1 point ago +1 / -0

KEK

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Mad_Hattie 56 points ago +60 / -4

Exactly, Harlequin books are really graphic and that is not getting into the "Porn for women" movies.

https://www.goodreads.com/genres/harlequin

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incogneato 4 points ago +4 / -0

Some of them are extremely graphic, but others are not graphic at all. Romance novels are just like movies: They run the gamut from G-rated to XXX-rated. You just have to know what you're buying.

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

Omg, wait, hq were almost sweet preteen books when I read them as a young adult!

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Kolob 7 points ago +13 / -6

Not so, research has shown that women who read romance have happier marriages and better sex lives with their husbands. Women's romance has themes of happy ever after with a husband. There is fringe kinky strange stuff, but few women read it, 50 Shades excepted.

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incogneato 7 points ago +10 / -3

That's exactly right. 50 Shades of Grey is not at all a typical romance novel. It's erotica, which is a cute word for "porn aimed at women."

Many, many romance novels are G-rated and wholesome. The couple always ends up married/staying together and looking forward to being a family. There's something for everyone.

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Haitianbychoice360 13 points ago +13 / -0

50 shades normalizes BDSM culture. Choking has become so normalized that defense attorneys are regularly using the "She wanted it rough" defense. Incidentally, some women do and therein lies your future jail cell. It doesn't take much to die from strangulation. Stay away from deviant behaviour pedes. It does not end well.

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

50 Shades normalizes BAD BDSM. I knew some people who were inclined to that lifestyle and there was nothing but hatred from within the BDSM community for the way their fetishes and lifestyles were portrayed in the books.

That isn't to say that there aren't issues in the BDSM community but it was surprising to find out that those who go all in really do care about their health and that of those who partake with them and it is possible to have healthy loving relationships within BDSM frameworks - they're just not how you'd expect them to be.

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RedDuck 6 points ago +8 / -2

I don't trust any " research" of this kind. It's all fake science

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EpicPede 1 point ago +3 / -2

Exactly. Sounds like hot bullshit.

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RenaissanceOfHope 3 points ago +4 / -1

Yeah, I am a male by birth and love the romance novels.

The Selection Series by Kiera Cass is the best!

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Kolob 2 points ago +3 / -1

I will look at those.

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EpicPede 1 point ago +3 / -2

Doubt

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JG_Wentworth 7 points ago +8 / -1

50 shades of grey is a book about rape culture and women loved it.

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Haitianbychoice360 5 points ago +6 / -1

Yes. To their own detriment.

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AOCs_tits 1 point ago +2 / -1

Watched the movies (yes, all 3) with my based wife and actually, the story ends with them living a relatively traditional, albeit kinky, MONOGAMOUS MARRIAGE complete with a kid on the way. That's why it was such a huge success with the ladies. Not recommending it as cinema or literature; just saying on a values level, it wasn't nearly as evil as, say, ANYTHING on Netflix or HBO - which basically tells you marriage is awful and having kids is even worse.

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sleepingbeautyc 7 points ago +7 / -0

I guess for some. I'm all about the happy ending. I read a bunch of clean/christian romances and hubby can't wait for me to finish a book (if you get what I mean). A happy ending makes me think the world is right again. If I am in a dark headspace (which has been pretty common this year) a good romance/action novel with a happy ending helps me to remember that God wins in the end.

My marriage is our happy ending. We've been through a crap tonne and we've always moved forward in the same direction.

I have heard that some women expect their husbands to be the knight in shining armour and they are dissatisfied after reading a romance. But I guess that is no the way I think and possibly not like others think.

However that said, I know there are things that if I stopped would make our marriage better. So I will take this post as a reminder to stop those things.

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LesboPregnancyScare 3 points ago +3 / -0

The 50 Shades series is currently sitting at #17 best selling series with 150 million copies sold.

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

One somewhat reassuring bit of field data on that:

It was HEAVILY pushed in media and socially, really heavily, so many women purchased the book out of feeling they SHOULD read it. Same with follow on books.

And- being the non conformist rebel bookworm I am, and NOT into either pop culture or sex themed romance- I opened my mouth when it was being lavishly discussed and flat said I hadn't bought it, had no intention, who needs to read about unpleasant abusive assholes controlling people for kicks and a messed up idiot sucked in, and it was trash ripoff fanfic anyways vs quality original writing.

You could have heard a pin drop on the carpet in the school library packed with volunteer moms setting up for the bookfair...

And our librarian who I worked with says drily "tell us how you REALLY feel", so I asked the room how many had actually READ it, and of them how many grasped the messed up dynamics were unhealthy and scenes highly unrealistic?

Turned out two, TWO, had read it all out of the 20 talking as if they had; one defiantly said she liked it but agreed unrealistic and one said she had forced herself to finish it for a book club- then said aggrievedly it was for nothing as they never had the discussion group.

The rest relievedly confessed they kept being told how great it was but HATED IT and wanted to throw it out it made them feel so squick. Most barely got a couple chapters in.

The librarian cornered me later and asked how I had the read the room- I just said the truth damn the fallout I replied. She laughed softly, then agreed it was really badly written with terrible characters and without the buzz would be a flop.

There was a reason near pristine hardback copies were abudant in thrift stores later.

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LieToMe 3 points ago +8 / -5

Umm. No it doesn’t.

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Qualmow 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is not by accident.

Look at the netflix shows for women now. It has been hyper extended.

Just like with pornhub.

All of it is so foul that our children will be part of Sodom-Gahmorrea if we let it continue.

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vote_for_MAGA_2020 82 points ago +86 / -4

Social media like Facebook and Instagram also give women the attention they want. I wouldn’t mind a ban on social media.

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LostViking1985 139 points ago +140 / -1

Social media has, without a doubt, been one of the worst things to happen to society.

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UnidentifiedWhiteMan 48 points ago +48 / -0

The internet was a better place before smartphones.

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rn10950 13 points ago +13 / -0

1000%. Social media and the "app" format seriously ruined open discussion on the internet. Usenet and the discussion forums of old fostered a more intellectual place for discussion, compared to the "what I ate for dinner today" posts on facebook.

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funqueybusiness 19 points ago +38 / -19

Ironic that you’re posting your criticism of social media on a social media site.

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funqueybusiness 15 points ago +18 / -3

Haha I was just busting your balls (sorry to assume your gender). Life is all about moderation brotha (unless you’re a democrat in which case you can make terrible decisions with no consequences).

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Whereami 10 points ago +12 / -2

Apologize for misgendering? That is foreign to me. Let the reddit go. If she’s a women she’ll correct you. Never apologize haha

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Joementia2023 18 points ago +18 / -0

He was clearly joking about that

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stratocaster_patriot 7 points ago +8 / -1

I know that's the theory and I believe it but it's also odd to me. I don't think I ever go back and look to see how many points my comments are getting. I don't really care. I sometimes do see if someone responds to me but ultimately I get no rush out of it.

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Choomguy 0 points ago +1 / -1

If you really care about your points, go back to reddit.

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Magistra 3 points ago +3 / -0

My teen made his grade goal, so we let him have Snapchat. It is literally (ha! Can you tell I live with a teen?) the stupidest thing. He “snaps” his friends with random pics from whatever his phone is pointing at. Blurry rug 👍 hair👍 Sofa arm👍 I cannot believe how insane it is.

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NotoriousCIC 1 point ago +3 / -2

Snapchat is overwhelmingly used by females. I imagine it's mostly to cheat.

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christianknight 1 point ago +1 / -0

And women

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vinnychase 21 points ago +22 / -1

TD is different than Instagram and Facebook. I can't post pics of my thiccccc ass here for clout

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IthoughtIwalked 7 points ago +8 / -1

We have hotties for Trump posts though, and that tranny was here a couple days ago that fooled a lot of people.

So it does happen here, although posting for clout isn't the primary goal

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rooftoptendie 8 points ago +8 / -0

I circled back to re-read the tranny post once it was all played out at the end of the day... and by the time I got to the bottom I had tears running down my face from laughing so hard. Pure malarkey and salt. That was an awesome thread.

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Deadpool 6 points ago +6 / -0

By Tranny you mean Michael Obama or Pennsylvania Dept of health secretary “Dr” Levine?

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IthoughtIwalked 6 points ago +6 / -0

I mean some Asian tranny that posted a pic in a MAGA hat that a bunch of pedes were fawning over

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BlackPillBot 1 point ago +1 / -0

Have you tried yet? 😙

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LostViking1985 4 points ago +5 / -1

I don't consider anonymous message boards part of it. I specifically mean profile/user centered platforms.

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JoeBidensHusband 1 point ago +2 / -1

Don’t be daft or contrary on purpose. You know he means Twitter/ Facebook/ Instagram.

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Tardigrade 1 point ago +1 / -0

Theres a PERFECT simpsons clip for this that Im too lazy to find.

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Choomguy 0 points ago +1 / -1

It’s anonymous, hardly socialmedia.

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NotoriousCIC 0 points ago +1 / -1

I don't think any of us are here posting titty pics saying "Look at my new watch" in hope of someone giving us attention.

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dudebro 5 points ago +6 / -1

I blame Instagram for the unfettered outbreak of thottery among 20 somethings.

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LostViking1985 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah. Thots always existed, but now they're no longer limited by their physical friend network. Unlimited attention from complete strangers all over the world. How can real men compete?

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NotoriousCIC 3 points ago +3 / -0

It has certainly destroyed a ton of marriages.

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ruskiebot00100011 2 points ago +2 / -0

Agreed ten billion percent

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stratocaster_patriot 16 points ago +17 / -1

I am so tired of listening to women tell each other how strong and amazing they are. Just fuck off bitches, you ain't shit and the proof is that you need all that ass kissing. Bitches go out and get a makeover and then go on Facebook and say, shit I had to rush out the door and barely had time to do makeup this morning. "Oh you look amazing." It's so fucking pathetic.

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Lysah 7 points ago +7 / -0

Woman here and honestly I agree 500%. "You're so strong you don't need anyone's help, go get em girl! (that's why I'm giving you all these compliments even though I know nothing about you so you can try to use the internet to cope with your crippling anxiety and depression in real life)."

I'm all for people just being genuinely good to each other, but "women empowering women" has the most bassackwards reasoning behind it.

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AOCs_tits 4 points ago +4 / -0

The worst are the posts where people write 1,000 word essays about their struggles, and fill their posts with #hashtags about #strength and #selflove. If they're so stricken with grief and pain, how can they remember to add hashtags and all that crap?

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booblitchutz 7 points ago +7 / -0

Seriously, Facebook is massively poisonous. Far more poisonous than porn right now.

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Aquamine-Amarine 3 points ago +7 / -4

The only porn I look at on Instagram is food porn.

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stratocaster_patriot 2 points ago +4 / -2

So like women with whipped cream on their tits?

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Harsh_Truth 1 point ago +1 / -0

This. The day my wife can get her nose out of her twitter feed to listen/look at anyone or anything, is the day I can get my nose out of porn. People always seem to forget these streets go two ways......

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MAGA-licious 10 points ago +11 / -1

Look up Mindgeek and who owns them. That should be enough of a reason to stop watching it if you truly care about the country.

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dieter_rage 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can you elaborate?

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ZoomerCrusader 1 point ago +1 / -0

(((globalists)))

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RenaissanceOfHope 1 point ago +1 / -0

Would that be the CCP?

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commies0ride0free 1 point ago +1 / -0

My moneys on ballsack eyes

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RenaissanceOfHope 1 point ago +1 / -0

Soros?

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fwesh 6 points ago +6 / -0

boys will be boys

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DigitalWarrior 4 points ago +9 / -5

Ya, I'm feeling a bit of the Gillette vibe from OP's post.

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AOCs_tits 2 points ago +2 / -0

worst commercial ever. began growing a beard the day I saw it.

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AussieTrumpFan 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think sometimes that fundamentalist prudes would be happiest if the Song of Songs disappeared along with the other Apocrypha and didn't sully the pages of their pure book.

The truth is that even the Bible calls upon us to honour, love, and cherish each other, and that a key part of that is through a healthy sexual attraction and commitment.

If we assume that the prudish Victorian approach to sexuality is what we're after, it's misguided. It's highly likely Victoria had a lover after Prince Albert's death, and just where do you think the term Prince Albert came from? Missionary style was so-called because the missionaries would show the natives the 'correct' way to procreate and not the joyous freedom and expression of love that they already did.

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Gtgooh 2 points ago +4 / -2

A healthy marriage doesn’t need a degenerate demonic thing like porn.

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Qualmow 1 point ago +1 / -0

It is an addiction and a way to destroy the family.

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grayghost13 127 points ago +135 / -8

Coincidentally, men have to stop glorifying girls who do this, and chase girls who are chaste before marriage. They themselves need to be chaste before marriage as well. It worked for my wife and I, and we're headed for year 11.

Just saying. But yes, you're right

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MaxineWaters4Prez 72 points ago +74 / -2

That's the root of the weed. Thanks to hookup culture through social media, women have a heightened expectation because there is no shortage of men.

The pussy on a pedestal phenomenon makes girls who are 5's act like they're 9's. The narcissism is further fed by likes and shares on social media.

It's creating an uncanny vanity and creates a sense of high value for women and low value for men.

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grayghost13 27 points ago +30 / -3

All that might be true, but a lot of that seems to me to be an excuse for failure on our ending in vetting a good woman, and for being a good man. I don't need to nail her before I know she's a keeper. I didn't do that to my wife, and we've been together now for 11 years, and we still have crazy sex.

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Election_Quotes 24 points ago +25 / -1

Doing it right, brother. Got married as a 34 yo virgin (by design, not lack of opportunity...) and have ZERO regrets about it. Have a fantastic sex life with my wife that would make most men jealous.

It’s almost as if this is how things were designed to work... now, I wonder where we could find such instruction about chastity and faithfulness...?

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undecidedmask 21 points ago +21 / -0

When you have no one to compare to, both people in a marriage think the other is the best in bed in the world. Truly a gift from God!

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Markellany 10 points ago +10 / -0

Most people don’t have the self control or self discipline to safeguard the integrity of their sexuality.

If they did we would have far less death and destruction in the world.

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grayghost13 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hmmm ... I wish this thing that could instruct us would be readily available everywhere... Hmmm, indeed. Wisdom yells from the rooftops but we don't listen.

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Kolob 18 points ago +18 / -0

32 years married here, hubby was religious and lived his faith, so a virgin when we married. I was a gullible agnostic and no virgin. He is better than all the others combined and we still have a very active sex life. I didn't need to check either, what is between the ears is the most important thing, although we has ripped and is still very fit LOL. I seriously have the best husband ever.

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grayghost13 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good man, happy for you guys!

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Kolob 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thanks. He is a very good man, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it

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ARfreedom 13 points ago +13 / -0

Crazy good sex or crazy with motor oil and jumper cables sex?

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aKekabove 13 points ago +13 / -0

Asking the real questions

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ARfreedom 3 points ago +3 / -0

Would you like to know more.gif

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grayghost13 3 points ago +3 / -0

Hah ha! Crazy good - not the jumper cables!!

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ARfreedom 3 points ago +3 / -0

Glad to hear. That jumper cable shit is unsafe.

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Weremoose 21 points ago +21 / -0

Looks fade.

Personality is forever

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Choomguy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Great point.

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grayghost13 25 points ago +29 / -4

I found one ... Yeah, they're not behind the doors of a bar, or in many cases, the Godless public schools.. However, some do exist behind the doors of a church. It's long time for this country to turn back to God.. Stop making excuses for shitty lifestyle choices. Both on our end as men, and on their end as women.

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

My god daughter graduated last year, hyper liberal small city, many hundreds of kids at her public HS of 5 or 6 in city.

That summer she had a number of heart to heart convos with quite a few girlfriends who finally felt free of the cliques and pressures- turns out only she and one other had ACTUALLY been sexually active.

The boyfriends or dates routinely lied about the other girls putting out and had vivid anime imaginations, yet social "norms" meant denying it even to close friends or getting mad was the wrong take. Smh.

Her little brother just finished sophmore year, joined football and upgraded his friends, developed social skills and grew into his features- and is actively avoiding dating or talking about female classmates after being privy to his sister's revelations.

And in socio cultural studies Gen Z is one of the least sexually active US groups since the 1910s!

Don't let the false image of past gens fool you, the Roaring 20s were completely lit with freedom to run wild, the 30s were filled with illicit hangouts and sketch behavior and back alley abortionists or year long visits to a distant "aunt" with tons of abandoned newborns adopted, the war years were full of rushed marriages before sent to fight "just in case", the 50s and 60s had more late teen weddings with "miracle" 7 month first babies than not.

Then PP and birth control and womens lib with ease of good jobs and welfare for babies born out of wedlock hit... and what used to be covered up came out into the open and parents couldn't force a marriage as easily. Ironically, the more socially acceptable it was the less sex and freedom was valued. A couple decades of still settling down and starting families before too long happened, for many but some not.

Then the 90s hit. Money and status became everything, power and influence and looking good the only goals of too many- and that impossible pinnacle to reach for most fueled the party drugs and random sex to feel something boom.

And the reactive punk grunge rejection of them, and widespread depression and medicating of adults as well as youth since reality sucked compared to the glam images and edgy success cases.

Cynicism took hold in the youngest adult cohorts in the 2000s, nobody respected anything or anyone, no one trusted, assumptions were made about everyone and choices based on wanting to not be taken advantage of first- users and losers, hoes and fuckboys, abound. Disconnect from personal responsibility in favor of pop culture idols or Causes. Disfunction is a virtue.

Gen Z is aggressively reacting to that whole pervasive Millennial vibe by taking personal responsibility, hyper sensible and realistic. And apparently deciding in many cohorts to go slow on sexual activity. Not all, there will always be subsets or groupings that roll different than averages, but more than not.

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MageGills 8 points ago +8 / -0

Yes. We can't get rid of the thots without destroying the simps.

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undecidedmask 6 points ago +6 / -0

And there is the main issue. When you can pick and choose, you can get whatever male you want. Women in the US can get whoever they want when they are young, then they hit the wall and lose all of that. It results in a bunch of broken, unmarried men and women, turning to porn, alcohol, and drugs. As a younger lad, porn is something that I've stayed far away from. Can slip down a slippery slope into some really bad stuff.

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ScionOfMaga 4 points ago +17 / -13

Show me a young woman who has been chaste and I'll show you a unicorn. They don't exist anymore.

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grayghost13 21 points ago +29 / -8

Yes they do. As I've said before, some of them are behind the doors of the church... Also, women didn't start doing this without the approval of men.. We are the ones that taught them this was desirable and so do it for us. We control the narrative on this, or we truly are lost.

We get to decide on what culture we live in. I'd rather live in a patriarchy than a matriarchy. If it's a patriarchy then these things are our fault and we have to take ownership, and change..

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Kolob 14 points ago +15 / -1

I know lots of them, men too, but I also attend church

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grayghost13 3 points ago +3 / -0

Odd correlation, no?

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Kolob 2 points ago +2 / -0

Just a funny coincidence. To be fair until I met my husband I did not know they existed. He has been nothing but good for me, sometimes I wonder if I would have found faith without him

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ScionOfMaga -2 points ago +3 / -5

I was given no choice on the culture I was born into.

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grayghost13 4 points ago +4 / -0

But you're given a choice on how to respond to it.

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ScionOfMaga 2 points ago +2 / -0

k. This culture corrupted me before I knew what I was doing. The fuck was I supposed to do.

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No_More_BS_01 1 point ago +1 / -0

Don't accept this shaming bullshit. One can argue the existence of a unicorn all day but there is no doubt that in general women are FAR more promiscuous than they would ever lead you to believe, especially now in the Tinder age. Even if you are from the Bible belt and marry a true virgin there is no way to know if later on she'll feel the need to 'discover herself'.

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Markellany 6 points ago +7 / -1

My college age son said the same thing. They’re all on Prozac trying to get over their past abortions, screwing soy boys so they feel superior but then feeling empty and unsatisfied, going to college so they can have a career but feeling conflicted because deep down they want to be a mother, drinking heavily and vaping weed to escape it all.

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No_More_BS_01 1 point ago +1 / -0

You should see all of the Carrie Bradshaw wannabe's in their 30's in NYC who are realizing that nobody gives a fuck about their ubiquitous sex life blog. They bounce from Tinder date to Tinder date and if you have a good job they'll sleep with you instantly in a desperate attempt to set the hook. "This is the one!" "Oh wait, THIS is the one!" "Nevermind that prick, THIS ONE IS THE REAL ONE!!" Sad.

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illiteregetimate -3 points ago +7 / -10

I don’t want my wife to be some clueless 20 year old virgin just as much as I don’t want her to be a late 20-/early 30-something whore with distorted self-esteem.

There is an expansive middle ground. People in this century need to experience things responsibly before they settle down otherwise that whole midlife crisis thing is very real for both sexes.

This is probably one of those topics where a lot of people in this surprisingly diverse community will vehemently disagree, but people should have the experiences that will forge their lasting commitments to one another because temptation to stray has already been revealed as the inferior option.

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krzyzowiec 7 points ago +9 / -2

It’s the opposite imo. Having other experiences means lesser commitment, since you are becoming used to sampling alternatives.

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illiteregetimate 5 points ago +5 / -0

That’s fair. I can can only speak with certainty from what I have experienced and relay with trust what I have been told or observed.

What people ought to do, and what they actually do, are two distinct things. I sincerely wish the “ought” were more the more common and easier/simpler path.

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grayghost13 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sounds like someone with little to no experience with how this all works. Sex joins two people (emotionally and physically), that's the object of it. If that binding is hurt for whatever reason, that can cause fraying between these two people. There's studies that show virgin men and virgin women who become married last longer and have better sex lives than those who behave differently.

Btw, your first time, and her first time is going to suck. You have to practice to make perfect. Stop it with this "compatibility" bullshit. It's just an argument to do what you want, which is to fuck.. Furthermore, faithfulness is a virtue that demonstrates love. Love is not some stupid feeling.. It's an action. I know this is a lot to take in, but you need to think about it, for real.

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illiteregetimate 2 points ago +3 / -1

You made a lot of dogshit assumptions about me and what I said but maybe someone else can learn from it.

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christianknight 3 points ago +5 / -2

Women who have "experience" will leave you for other men. This is just a fact. They do not operate on male logic like you think they do.

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Iamabot 2 points ago +2 / -0

Some women who have ‘experience’ have that experience because they were lost and aimless and thought they were doing what was expected of them. Thought all men were lustful and never happy with just their wife like they saw in their own father. Wanted security and commitment but assumed no men actually wanted that. Every person’s reasons for having ‘experience’ is different.

Not even going to touch the ‘male logic’ comment.

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christianknight 0 points ago +1 / -1

Women want security from the beta and the sexual excitement form Chad. It results in infidelity.

The male logic means exactly that, logic. Women operate on emotion first, logic second. They go with the flow of emotion. If they feel angry or unsatisfied they will go out and cheat that same night. Will they regret it in the morning? Probably, but that's the man's fault for making her want to cheat in the first place.

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Iamabot 2 points ago +2 / -0

You could say the same about men. (Want stability but excitement). Good marriages have both.

Men often operate on emotion first as well, it just looks different. I think, instead of being based on gender, the emotion over logic we see is based on lack of self awareness/self control. I see, generally, that people with more conservative values tend to have more of this self control.

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notenoughbutts 48 points ago +53 / -5

And wives need to stop acting like they have it harder than the husbands. Especially when kids are involved.

Stay at home mom? Yes, tough. Dad who has to go to work and support that family unit, who then won't get to see his child(ren) as much and sees photos of child(ren)'s first moments? Just as tough.

Different but equal. Love each other for all you bring and all you help with.

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Kolob 15 points ago +17 / -2

So true, I am a housewife and know I have it good so I try to make life as easy as possible for my husband. I pretty much take care of everything, most repairs, yard, house, home cooked food, finances, you name it. When he used to work crazy hours I repaired the plumbing, but now I can afford to hire someone. I believe it is a profession and we should treat it that way. I am so annoyed with women who think playing with the kids all day exempts them from chores. Ignore those kids and get some work done. I think every woman should be self supporting before marriage so they can appreciate how hard working is and know that every job has some aspect just as tedious as cleaning toilets.

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Cyer6 6 points ago +6 / -0

For my wife and I, it really came down to tasks that one liked or didn't mind doing and the other hated. We both worked and brought in income. I cleaned the house regularly but we did our own laundry. She did most of the stuff for our child like running around to different events, school and after-school activities. I maintained the cars, the house and yard. She did the groceries and cooked. I cleaned the kitchen. Over the years, it just molded into that without having any formal agreements and we never had arguments over it.

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Kolob 3 points ago +3 / -0

Wow, nice partnership. I believe whatever division of labor works is good. I have seen some very competent house husbands. Our division is my husband works, used to overwork, and I do everything else. He does maintain my yard equipment for me. I get everything done during the day and weekends and evenings are for relaxing. We have enough money so there is no need to work more. His work was so hard for years that he would come home completely wasted. Doing more was not realistic. Now he works 40 hours a week and helps out more often, especially as I am back in school now. I am pickier about housework so that also makes it my job. You cannot be picky about how other people do things, that is obnoxious

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stratocaster_patriot 11 points ago +12 / -1

What I can't stand is when they make it my issue. Oh you know it's hard to have a career and still your husband expect you to cook dinner every night blah blah blah. Bitch we aren't married and I don't give a fuck what you husband thinks and acts like. That is entirely your problem so stop acting like society is victimizing you and stop thinking I care in the least.

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No_More_BS_01 6 points ago +10 / -4

I don't think it's equal, I think it's far easier to stay home with the kids. Not easy, but on a relative scale, easier. Bill Burr has a hilarious bit on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xp4z5qlyqs

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notenoughbutts 5 points ago +6 / -1

Agreed, mostly. I'm talking mostly about couples with 3+ kids.

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Kolob 4 points ago +5 / -1

I agree, but it depends on how much you put into it. Being a type A housewife is just as hard, but different. I do not believe I should be home and expect my husband to do chores. I had 3 kids under age 4 so it was very hard.

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No_More_BS_01 -1 points ago +2 / -3

I'm sure it was difficult having 3 kids under the age of 4 but once they're school age you get a reprieve. Not the case with a day job. Plus day jobs are for the most part soulless, the business world kicks you in the balls on a constant basis and most people are awful. I think it's far more fulfilling to enrich your offspring's lives than it is to be humiliated on a constant basis by condescending people who don't care about you at all (which is what the business world is).

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Kolob 7 points ago +8 / -1

Homeschooled them LOL. Being a chef young and working 24 hour shifts was good preparation. I agree most with your point about jobs being soulless. I remember my husband saying once that supporting us gave his job meaning. My husband is the best.

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No_More_BS_01 -3 points ago +3 / -6

Congratulations on serving up your gotcha but exceptions don't make rules and you chose to home school them, you weren't forced to (only ~4% of kids are home-schooled). My sister in law raised 4 kids and when the youngest reached 5th grade and it made sense that she might be able to get a job to supplement the family income she accidentally got pregnant again and bought herself another 12 years of getting to stay at home watching Ellen all day while my brother busted his ass. I think that's far more common.

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Kolob 1 point ago +1 / -0

We have always come out ahead financially with me home because I lower expenses and if I work outside all the money goes to taxes.

No, I was not forced to home school my kids, we enjoyed it. We moved frequently and it gave them continuity. I also was able to help out women who had to work and needed occasional help with their kids. We are all in this together, but without someone home to help with things like teacher inservice days it gets very difficult. I was able to help my community as well. I realize work that is unpaid is not valued in our society, but I also was fully self supporting first and worked as a chef so I am well aware of what different types of work look like and I value the work my husband does.

... continue reading thread?
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dixie_knormous 1 point ago +2 / -1

Bill Burr is the truth

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novaks47 26 points ago +29 / -3

It is and it's enforced by all 50 states. When you get married, the woman is not marrying you, she's marrying the state. Barring very rare circumstances/luck, the man is on the hook for life. And why not? After all, what is unreasonable about being forced to "maintain the standard of living" the woman was accustomed to? Never mind that she was the one that chose to divorce you, no no, think of the poor woman! Oh my god, imagine if she had to pay all the utility bills for the house you bought and is now hers all on her own! Lost your job? Got a pay cut? Doesn't matter, pay or go to jail! /end rant

Seriously, I wish all married men the best of luck, and a long, happy marriage.

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stratocaster_patriot 18 points ago +19 / -1

Was it Dave Chappelle who said (?) something like, well I'm accustomed to getting pussy every day so will I be able to maintain that lifestyle? The idea that we demand equality for women and still make the man responsible to maintain a lifestyle means we have just have a new form of inequality and its worse for men so nobody cares.

Shit, when I got divorced my ex was pregnant about 10 months later and my friend told me I needed to go to court and sign papers declaring this was not my kid or the state would be coming after me for child support regardless. Just amazing.

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No_More_BS_01 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

Chis Rock . . . "pussy payments". That was his best stand up special at his peak.

The institution of marriage is a crime against men. Women are incentivized to behave in awful ways and the only way out is via financial ruin. She can fuck half the town while you're at work and it doesn't matter . . . "no fault divorce."

One time I went on trip to Costa Rica as a novice surfer. The locals boated us to a break but the tide was low. Rocks that were normally deeper underwater were just under the surface. You couldn't see them but I could feel them from time to time while paddling around and I thought . . . how the fuck am I supposed to know if I'll wipe out and kill myself on these rocks? Advice from the locals was "stay to the right." Others surfed away and were even diving into the water off of their boards in delight. I said 'fuck this' and got back on the boat hoping none of my friends maimed themselves. Everyone thought I was a pussy.

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christianknight 4 points ago +5 / -1

The amount of upvotes the main post has is kinda sad. Its clearly written by a woman and the whipped men are eating it up by blaming themselves solely.

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No_More_BS_01 3 points ago +3 / -0

What gave it away that a woman wrote it, the random shaming of all men out of the blue? The admonishment of porn in all caps?

I'll make you a gentleman's bet of $1 that this post was written by a wife within 5 minutes of checking the browser history on a shared computer.

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christianknight 2 points ago +2 / -0

It aint women upvoting it though

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No_More_BS_01 1 point ago +1 / -0

Good point.

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sdl5 1 point ago +1 / -0

Eh. My very liberal default to the woman in custody State granted a whopping $145/month for both children in support and half of daycare cost for two working parents.

The house we bought together could have easily had a refi, but he wanted to sell instead- it was enough profit I qualified for a replacement home mortgage on just my salary.

He chose to not buy and instead rent with roomies for over a year, then moved out of State- and never paid another dime of child support or that daycare half... or even the travel expenses for his kids to visit when the Court accepted the change from full joint custody since he moved away and thus did not have them every other week. I paid all of it just to take care of my girls and make sure they still saw their dad; the Courts just shrugged and said hire another lawyer and file there we dgaf. I didn't waste my effort.

Oh, and I didn't even recognize other guys existed when married let alone be disloyal or a spendthrift. The divorce was my accidently stumbling over his willful betrayal of my trust and commitment.

Guys need to recognize many women will very gratefully settle down with a truly honest loyal guy who is a decent person and good parent. But not if he assumes she is going to be unfaithful and trash his life or drag him in Court- and then behaves accordingly in conflicts that inevitably arise in relationships.

You often get what you put in- and if you assume the worst outcome you put in with a temporary mindset and bitter doubts, and feed that result.

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Nightbringer33 21 points ago +22 / -1

What we have is a gold-digging whores problem! </Bill Burr>

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yeahbuddyFspez 11 points ago +12 / -1

jugs and assholes

lmaoo

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RealRedneck 7 points ago +9 / -2

LOL! .... My wife makes more than me. However, we both make enough that we don't have to worry about it. We both love our career choices.

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Trythisagain 133 points ago +142 / -9

I put this first in my life with my “marriages”, both of them cheated on me. I haven’t seen a ring yet that didn’t have a hole through it.

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2godbthegloryamen [S] 65 points ago +72 / -7

I’m sorry to hear that, pede. God bless.

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Trythisagain 84 points ago +86 / -2

I still believe that God is first in a marriage, but I’m not going for three. I’m extremely happy these days tho!

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Mad_Hattie 82 points ago +82 / -0

Can't blame you.

Marriage used to be sacred. Too many people are too casual about it now.

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rooftoptendie 25 points ago +27 / -2 (edited)

Im really conflicted on it because I believe in marriage... but once I nearly married someone and it took me EIGHT years to figure out they had a nasty Cluster B Personality disorder... that's the family of related mental disorders which includes Sociopathy, Antisocial, Narcissistic, Borderline... you know all the fucking murderously unstable psychopathic chameleons.

Eight years it took him to finally show that side and become physically abusive and begin to try to mentally torture me... in earnst... like military style sleep deprivation torture and like that. Eight. Years. Something in him flipped like a switch and he went from loving me to HATING me, and I mean hating in a way where someone WANTS you to stay so they can torture you some more. A very sick and twisted kind of hate.

Eight years!!!! For eight years I was with one person, and then suddenly I woke up one day to another much much worse person.

So I get kind of prickly when people are mega-hardline about "no divorce". You'll never get someone who has been a battered wife to agree that all divorce is sin. That's one of the reasons I fundamentally object to Catholicism. At some point, it is cruelty to say that a woman is trapped with the man who may well one day kill her, directly or indirectly, if she can't get out.

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Mad_Hattie 11 points ago +11 / -0

I think you put it very succinctly.

I knew one wife who had her husband say "You should put your husband first" because he had an issue with her taking care of the kids first.

Marriage is not for everyone, it is not a women or a man problem, it is a people problem.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't they at one point require testing before you got married? for disease and mental illness?

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rooftoptendie 8 points ago +8 / -0

they never would have caught my ex with a perfunctory diagnostic, but yeah, they did. Prolly still should.

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Mad_Hattie 7 points ago +7 / -0

Agreed.

There is a lot of things that should be brought back.

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Kolob 4 points ago +6 / -2

I did put my husband first and he earned it every day. The kids grow up and leave, husband is forever.

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TotesNotKaren 5 points ago +6 / -1

Yes! Too many people ignore the spouse when they have kids, and start breaking off in different directions. Then they have nothing left when the kids leave. Maintaining a healthy relationship during kids is one of the most important things to do in your marriage.

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2flathat 9 points ago +9 / -0

Please don't mischaracterize the Catholic Church. Annulments are available for abused spouses. Sorry for your suffering. Daughter is in a similar situation...

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Kolob 3 points ago +4 / -1

I agree 100%. My daughter is cluster B, it can be genetic, these people are unbelievably hard to live with. Cudos on getting out.

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rooftoptendie 2 points ago +3 / -1

Thank you. HOOVERPROOF SURVIVOR, BABY. Prayers for you and your family. May the Lord bless you, fren.

If it was genetic, that could explain why it just switched on one day. I know that faulty genetics can "switch on". I was currently working more with the theory that there is demonic energy in play with whatevers going on. But honestly IDK. Best not to think too much on it, best to just run.

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Kolob 3 points ago +4 / -1

I think there are elements of both. To some extent all of us have bad parts of ourselves and we can choose to encourage them or not. We can step back and ask for help.

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Darksbane 3 points ago +4 / -1

My ex-wife had something similar happen. It wasn't exactly like a light switch but she went from being a loving and respectful person to treating me like garbage and trying to fake a domestic violence charge to get the police to force me out of the house and remove me from our daughters life. Luckily she made a mistake and I found out about it before hand was able to protect myself (She ended up getting herself arrested).

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ImFinallyNotAnAlt 3 points ago +3 / -0

Man this was sad. Divorce in general makes me sad lol but I’m really sorry to hear about your experience and I hope you’re getting along well now.

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rooftoptendie 3 points ago +3 / -0

tanks, pede! cheer up, everyone is safe and sound! MAGA!!!

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divine32 1 point ago +1 / -0

I am a Catholic and you are not required to live with a physically abusive husband. But you cannot remarry since marriage is a vow through sickness and health.

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2flathat 1 point ago +1 / -0

That is not true. If the abusing spouse is dishonest about their vows the marriage is not valid.

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stratocaster_patriot 16 points ago +16 / -0

GenX was largely the first group to deal with the fallout from how marriage was debased in the 60's. The desires of adults became foremost and the kids suffered for it. GenX were called "latchkey kids" for a reason. But not gonna lie, I'm divorced myself. Didn't cheat but didn't make it work either.

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Mad_Hattie 11 points ago +11 / -0

I still use the term Latchkey sometimes.

And the hippies in the 60's really fucked things up. Sometimes I think maybe all the peaceful hippy crap was what is happening now and the Democrats just revised history, AGAIN.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nixon won and went after the hippies, but he ended up getting impeached.

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Kolob 7 points ago +7 / -0

We Xers were sold a bill of goods with sex ed classes telling us we should all be screwing around as everyone is doing it. They told us birth control is effective and how to get abortions without our parents finding out. Looking back I am horrified. I wound up trying their way, seeing the damage, and becoming both religious and more conservative

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aslaniscoming 37 points ago +37 / -0

Your username suggests otherwise, pede

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Trythisagain 26 points ago +26 / -0

KEK!

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BonerDonor 26 points ago +26 / -0

It's literally the worst match.com name

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mathteach314159 20 points ago +20 / -0

Yours on the other hand, perfect for Tinder!

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mnguy12000 3 points ago +3 / -0

Doncha' mean Grinder!

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goingbigly 46 points ago +48 / -2

Don’t give up and never settle. You’ll find someone that wants to make you happy as much as you want to make them happy.

14 years for me today. Time sure flies.

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Trythisagain 10 points ago +11 / -1

Thanks friend, all is well! Love em till the end.

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goingbigly 18 points ago +19 / -1

Wow. Amazing how wrong you are. You must be a liberal.

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rooftoptendie 8 points ago +9 / -1

you sound like someone who gave up and settled.

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decaf_covfefe 45 points ago +46 / -1

A marriage built on the expectation of perfection will never last. A marriage built on faith, grace, forgiveness, and sacrifice will last forever. A huge emphasis on GRACE. Our partner needs it just as much as we do. Life is long and dirty, roll with the punches and keep moving forward. Best decision of my life was to look past the flaws and search for the things that made us better. We are only 11 years into it but I look forward to many more. Its never too late to recommit. Good luck Pede.

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Trythisagain 23 points ago +24 / -1

My first was just over ten years together till I found out the other guys, sometimes looking past the flaws can bite you in the butt, wished I highlighted something’s a little more. Wish you the best, marriages are to be forever, glad you have it.

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Bubbahax 37 points ago +39 / -2

I was married for 25 years. When she left she literally said, 'That's just life. Get over it." Sorry for believing the promise actually meant something. I mean, what's the point of the vows and the big ceremony if a few years later you just say 'Oh well' and bail?

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Trythisagain 10 points ago +10 / -0

I feel ya friend, I’m sticking with ‘buyer beware’ now! I’m going too start kicking the tires a little harder if I ever buy again.

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stratocaster_patriot 9 points ago +10 / -1

I know I'm cynical at this point but I've said for many years now, yeah a woman will love me and stay true to me right up until the point that she doesn't and won't. And it's the same for men and in some cases that is legitimate but my point is don't go thinking that someone making a promise to you means jack shit in the long run.

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Kolob 4 points ago +5 / -1

Skip the big ceremony, we eloped. 32 years in and very happy. I am glad my husband has not figured out that he is a better husband than I am a wife

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ImFinallyNotAnAlt 1 point ago +2 / -1

Finally something positive. Scrolled far too far to see this. Thought I was back on Reddit.

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Ex-libtard -31 points ago +8 / -39

I cant imagine anyone being attracted to a person who doesnt like porn.

All that tells me is you havent found the porn you like and are possibly some sort of weirdo.

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Romans12 20 points ago +26 / -6

The problem isn't that porn is liked or not. Of course it's liked! Naked women bring pleasure to straight men. But at what cost? Dopamine addiction? The search for the next taste? The example our sons and daughters will follow? Sexual dysfunction? Support of human traffickers?

How important is your soul?

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Ex-libtard -29 points ago +6 / -35

I don't believe in souls I'm an adult.

Most activites will give you dopamine unless you're a fatass.

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Romans12 13 points ago +15 / -2

Not all dopamine producing activities are healthy. Unhealthy activities include gambling, porn, dopamine addiction optimized games (see "cow clicker") and social media.

I'm an adult as well. Used to be a scoffing agnostic that antagonized Christians. Obviously this changed. The problems discussed on this forum and what's cautioned about the Word of God parallel nicely. In a side note, the historical backing and and studies on ancient biblical document authentication are interesting (at least to yours truly).

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rooftoptendie 8 points ago +8 / -0

"...I'm an adult."

coulda fooled me.

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stratocaster_patriot 13 points ago +16 / -3

That's pretty libtard if you ask me.

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Ex-libtard -25 points ago +3 / -28

"Hey baby after this round let's head up and rent a dirty movie in our room"

"No, I'm owning the libs because I'm so well adjusted"

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EpicPede 9 points ago +9 / -0

"No, porn is gay. Let's just bang some more."

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thuggishruggishtrump 4 points ago +5 / -1

Lol wtf kind of mental gymnastics is this? Porn is fucking poison, it's literal legal sex trafficking imo.

Someone is a weirdo because they don't want to watch another men fuck a woman they could only dream of being with? Damn.

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Trythisagain 4 points ago +4 / -0

Ha, when I was younger I’ve seen a few, just not for me, 40 years ago. And just a heads up, I didn’t downvote you, someone else.

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EpicPede 1 point ago +2 / -1

still a libtard.

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jamrs 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sorry that sucks

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Kolob 2 points ago +2 / -0

So sorry, that had to be rough.

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RedFoxOnFire 120 points ago +123 / -3

Most divorces are filed by women, who cite the reason for the divorce as "Being Unhappy".

Not being cheated on, not being abused, but being unhappy.

Whatever happened "through good times and bad"?

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Tyrant597 129 points ago +131 / -2

Feminism

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james43552352345 33 points ago +34 / -1

100% this. Feminism set the standards way too high to the point where men can't realistically achieve them. So of course the female is going to be unhappy because she has standards that only exist in fictional romance novels! If you want to see this in action then just go to /r/femaledatingstrategy and read their guides.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/wiki/recommended_reading#wiki_the_fds_handbook

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logic1010 13 points ago +13 / -0

This was my ex wife. She read close to 200 of those romance novels a year. I was good to her, I really tried. But nothing was ever good enough. I believe these novels laid out an unreal expectation. Then she fucked my brother, probably another fantasy of a novel.

Found a conservative girl and I honestly couldn't be happier. She's a good strong woman who is kind, loving and cares deeply about me.

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TacticalWitdotcom 7 points ago +7 / -0

I'm so sorry that you went through that. May God's grace be on you and your new lady- I'm glad to know you found someone who appreciates you.

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logic1010 7 points ago +7 / -0

Thank you. It was a dark time. I'm not a Christian yet but I'm bi-christian curious. Stay tuned

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christianknight 3 points ago +3 / -0

Read CS Lewis.

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TacticalWitdotcom 3 points ago +3 / -0

No such thing as a bi-Christian. You accept Christ's offer of His life for your sins, or you don't. Not trying to be a jerk, it's just that simple. It's the best deal ever offered and I will never look back. The Prince of Peace and the God of All Comfort.....so good to each one of us. His Love for us is unfathomable.

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logic1010 5 points ago +5 / -0

I'm just joking about getting closer

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ImFinallyNotAnAlt 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t think he meant it that way

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ImFinallyNotAnAlt 2 points ago +2 / -0

This made me chuckle audibly. Stay curious friend, we can see the fruits of a world without Christ.

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dixie_knormous 5 points ago +5 / -0

Man, she effed you but also, what kind of brother bangs your wife?

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logic1010 2 points ago +2 / -0

We were best friends man! Worst part of it. He was a decent guy

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Cyer6 1 point ago +1 / -0

I bet he got a good thump'n.

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Kolob 4 points ago +4 / -0

I read them and I am very happy with my husband. There was more to it. Some women just cannot be pleased no matter how hard you try, there are men like that too. Personality and character defect

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logic1010 2 points ago +2 / -0

Good point.

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Kolob 2 points ago +2 / -0

I want to add that I am sorry you went through that. Sounds rough.

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logic1010 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks, I have a much better life now. I own a farm and dogs and have a wonderful girl who I'm marrying in the fall and we want to start having kids. What a difference 3 years can make.

... continue reading thread?
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texascpa 49 points ago +51 / -2

Sometimes that "being unhappy" leads to cheating. Basically, what happened to me after 24 years. never abused her, never laid a finger on her. Supported her in a stable, but BORING job so we could have a nice place to live, food and support 3 kids while she jumped job to job looking for the right one. Then out of the blue she says she needs her "independent confidence". Come to find out she cheated on me. Why? because she was unhappy.

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neverreddit 36 points ago +36 / -0

Sorry man. That’s terrible. It’s the lie society feeds us—happiness lies elsewhere.

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FuckTheFed1913 14 points ago +14 / -0

That is fuckin' profound and everyone needs to hear it.

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MuadDon 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's not really a lie; both are true. There are many couples out there who shouldn't have married one another and made a bad or incomplete major life decision. The more time goes on the more that rot will take hold. Pretending there's happiness to be found there doesn't solve any problem, just like cheating won't solve anything.

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neverreddit 5 points ago +6 / -1

If both people commit themselves to being good Christians instead of themselves and their own ego then happiness and more importantly mutual respect will be found.

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VoidWanderer 17 points ago +18 / -1

Because society has changed to such a point, intentionally, to frame it as women are perfect and can never do wrong. Hell, legally they can't as women do not get as harsh sentences as men for the exact same crime, in some cases even getting the sentence commuted.

We used to understand that men and women are different, we think differently and have different value sets due to reproductive priorities. When that knowledge was intentionally suppressed everything went wrong because we stopped understanding something that allowed us to build societies even if it meant half the population didn't always get literally everything they demanded.

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Kolob 3 points ago +4 / -1

So true, women have been fed lies, men too. We are different.

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niacin 13 points ago +14 / -1

Not all women cheat. Kind of like how not all men cheat either.

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KishinD 2 points ago +3 / -1

And despite the feelings we have, statistically husbands cheat more often than wives.

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stratocaster_patriot 10 points ago +10 / -0

Jumping from job to job to find the right fit was foreshadow as I'm sure you understand now.

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texascpa 3 points ago +3 / -0

It was. It got worse the older she got. I always tried to support her, but nothing was ever good enough. Always thinking the grass was greener.

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Kolob 3 points ago +4 / -1

Exactly the type, no gratitude and never satisfied. She is probably doing the same to the next guy.

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texascpa 4 points ago +4 / -0

Actually, I think he dumped her right after or about when we got divorced. Don't really know for sure as I don't speak to her anymore.

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Kolob 3 points ago +3 / -0

This just happened to a coworker of my husband. 4 kids and he is a very nice guy. The woman must have been a nut job to give him up.

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sdl5 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'd still be married to the father of my children and a loyal wife if he had kept being like you... 😑

Worst shock of my life to accidently discover his betrayal of my trust and commitment.

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Shadilay1776 34 points ago +34 / -0

"No fault divorce" being legalized was the original slippery slope when it comes to marriage.

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Kolob 1 point ago +2 / -1

agree

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InebriatedDaily 33 points ago +33 / -0

George Carlin:

"LOWER YOUR FUCKING EXPECTATIONS"

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stratocaster_patriot 10 points ago +11 / -1

And I can guess why most are unhappy. They want a bad boy but if you act bad they don't like it. So you act like a good boy and you bore them quickly. It's sort of like the whole virgin/slut idea. Unrealistic expectations.

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Kolob 6 points ago +7 / -1

You have a point. I have had women give me a hard time about me encouraging my husband's motorcycle habit. We met rock climbing and I was not about to neuter him by demanding he stop doing the things that attracted me in the first place. My husband is just right, soft and tame on the surface and edgy underneath. If girls were not idiots he would never have been still single when I met him. 32 years later I can tell people envy me my husband, but what they don't see is that we have both worked hard at our marriage over the years. We are partners.

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aKekabove 9 points ago +9 / -0

Unhappy is code for I have another dick lined up and need an excuse

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xzars_folly 2 points ago +2 / -0

Every goddamned time

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jgardner 5 points ago +10 / -5

End divorce. It wasn't so long ago that it was illegal.

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stratocaster_patriot 9 points ago +11 / -2

So was abortion but women decided they didn't need to live with their choices and that a moment discomfort for them was intolerable

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xzars_folly 5 points ago +5 / -0

We living a misandrist matriarchy, this what happened. Feminism happened and Cleetus the Conservative screamed that it was a bunch a radical lesbians who HATED men, and would turn into men be treated 100 times worse then men ever treated women. Everybody called him crazy.

I dunno, look at our society. Do you think Cleetus was wrong? The majority of women are fucking the extreme minority of men, and birthing the majority of kids as bastards. Meanwhile EVEN WHEN SHE CHEATS, the courts award her the house and kids.

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ruskiebot00100011 3 points ago +4 / -1

50 shades of grey

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neverreddit 2 points ago +11 / -9

Also so many men make their wives gamer widows. It a two way street. We all need to be better.

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JiggsawCalrissian 107 points ago +118 / -11

I dont want a ban on porn. But I'm forced to believe that rampant and available pornography is part of the reason there's such a strong demoralization problem with men today.

(The flip side is the horrible horrible divorce laws that any sensible man would stay far far away from. Making marriage a losing proposition based on potential for ruin. Would you jump out of a plane if you knew 2/3 of parachutes dont open? But thats beside my point)

It used to be if you wanted to get your rocks off you needed a wife. How do you get a wife? You have to build something, create something, fight valiantly or stand up and be courageous. Do something meaningful to impress them first. The side effect is that determination and ethic is organically passed down to your children. How did mom and dad meet? Dad built a bridge across the Mediterranean that's all. Now Johnny knows what he needs to do when he's looking for a girl later on. And down it goes.

That barrier for entry to sexuality is gone because you can type in a url and get the same dopamine mix. At a high enough frequency to dull its impact and completely hollowed of any benefit except for a few muscles in your arm. And as a consequence, men dont create anything. Men stopped building. The world is full so theres nowhhere left to conquer. We won everything and in the process defeated ourselves

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RocketSurgeon22 30 points ago +34 / -4

I ran across a video the other day of a porn editor sharing secrets to their demoralizing and trans efforts. Many porn videos involve trans women and do not get labeled as such. Up and coming porn stars born male will not be shared publically. It made you stop watching porn.

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Shalomtoyou 45 points ago +46 / -1

I was a crossdresser for years. I stopped doing it when my second daughter was born. The fantasies never fully recede, nor the taste of porn.

So I have the unhappy knowledge of what you're talking about. There's a whole category of porn directly related to:

  1. Undermining your male confidence and trying to convince you to be female.
  2. Use hypnosis to this end.
  3. Fetishize not just cuckolding but also black men.

There's racialist overtones to a lot of porn as well. It's not good for anyone, black or white.

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neverreddit 30 points ago +30 / -0

Don’t forget how hard they go after children to get them addicted before they can learn to control themselves. Don’t give kids cellphones people. It’s not worth their ruination.

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Shalomtoyou 18 points ago +19 / -1

Tom Lehrer was sort of the Weird Al Yankovic of the 60s. In fact, he was one of Weird Al's inspirations.

And he had this couplet from his song about the local drug dealer.

"He gives the kids free samples, because he knows full well. That today's young innocent faces are tomorrow's clientele."

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stratocaster_patriot 7 points ago +7 / -0

Little off topic but Lehrer was also a published mathematician. Also got a Masters degree and then joined the army.

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stratocaster_patriot 13 points ago +13 / -0

Dude I can't tell you how much soft core kiddie porn I am seeing on Netlifx these days. Why do I want to watch 10 minutes of teenagers getting it on? It does nothing for the story and if made something like that I'd be in jail.

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ImFinallyNotAnAlt 2 points ago +2 / -0

Stranger things 3? Yea I thought that season was horrible for a multitude of reasons. Won’t be watching 4. It’s trash now.

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KishinD 2 points ago +2 / -0

Directed by a guy named Levy? Yeah they're raping the kids on that show.

Generally they target extras or background characters.

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MaxineWaters4Prez 18 points ago +20 / -2

They push cuck and interracial porn so hard on these sites. It's not like it's something I search for or watch from suggestion. But it's all over the damn place.

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Shalomtoyou 13 points ago +14 / -1

I noticed that too. Really weird. Do people like that?

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MaxineWaters4Prez 17 points ago +18 / -1

I'm sure there are some people into everything. But this is an artificial push.

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Shalomtoyou 11 points ago +12 / -1

I thought the talk about cuckolds was a joke. Weird to see it on porn sites.

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KishinD 2 points ago +2 / -0

All the porn streaming sites are owned by two guys of a particular tribe who are big into human trafficking and bent on demoralizing western men.

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stratocaster_patriot 8 points ago +8 / -0

Hell there are people that fill their hands up with shit and fuck that. Humans and Bonobos are just perverts and you will find people into everything you can imagine.

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CA-Patriot 12 points ago +13 / -1

They know that programming works. They are trying to inspire/force a cultural change, just like TV has done. Ever wonder why you can actually see a list of all the 'action' movies on Netflix or Amazon? They keep showing you stuff they SAY is popular or that YOU WILL LIKE. Wrong. They focus on the propaganda they are using to program you. Quit watching TV/streaming services for 30 days and you will feel SO MUCH BETTER.

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Caprica777 11 points ago +11 / -0

And incest

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MaxineWaters4Prez 8 points ago +8 / -0

But it said STEPsister so it's all good

/s

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RocketSurgeon22 14 points ago +16 / -2

Thanks for sharing. The programming of fetishes is what I need to know more about. I think everyone could benefit from learning the magik of porn. It would scare them.

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RocketSurgeon22 6 points ago +8 / -2

Thanks for sharing. The programming of fetishes is what I need to know more about. I think everyone could benefit from learning the magik of porn. It would scare them.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +4 / -1

I can't understand the fetishizing of black men. I just don't get it and what's more, why do they always have to smear oil all over a woman's ass. Fucking ridiculous. And I thought we were supposed to be against racial privilege so shouldn't these black men be refusing these jobs lol?

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Shalomtoyou 8 points ago +8 / -0

There's a stereotype of black men as more virile, better endowed, and more.... well, sexual than whites.

It's a pretty damn racist stereotype. Genuinely racist, the actual definition.

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GarudaOne 3 points ago +3 / -0

There's a hierarchy to it, with blacks at the top, followed by white men, then Asian men at the bottom.

I have no idea where Latino and Arab guys fit though haha.

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Shalomtoyou 3 points ago +3 / -0

I think you're more likely to see Asian "ladyboys" than asian straight men in the world of porn.

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sdl5 2 points ago +2 / -0

Which is pretty whack- porn is meh to a turn off to me, and the less realistic or strange the faster I am actively avoiding it. In other words, 99.9% of it!

I may not have much direct exposure for my age, but enough and diverse too to answer the question as to the other irl.

My first serious boyfriend was asian and spanish and my first husband asian- I now know both were generously proportioned vs average, and enthusiastic.

Second husband white and native, somewhat lacking unless very worked up but spent endless effort to good results.

I have dated a few guys seriously- maybe my experiences were unusual, but of the 4 guys outside my married life I've ever been intimate with all were sharply more generous sized than what I am told is average, and across ethnicities- and I decided to become intimate long before I had any idea what was under their jeans as it were.

But by far the most persistent, passionate, skilled, enthusiastic, and very physically gifted as well as appealing in appearance and build out of a good lot is Puerto Rican. Charm, confidence, effort made, trust given and kept confidences. And showed major appreciation of everything from a cute bra to helping buy sheets to in bed to parenting insights. The first part can suck you in, the last will make him irresistably attractive.

And I have fended off many more I thought were just a friend to the point I was aware of their "assets" and methods used to try and seduce. I can say the black guys took it way better and with humor than white or middle eastern guys who flipped out obssessively when told no, and latino men simply keep trying every time you run into them again like rejection is a game. Asian guys just shut down and poof.

And a ton of female confidences fill in the sample set widely as well.

Only one woman encountered a larger than average black, and he apparently couldn't er perform.

Sex drive appears about the same averages and variables across most ethnicities based on their personal experiences and other stories.

Guys losing interest in regular sex after moving in was a running theme though.

But I will honestly say there seems to be some truth to the latino machismo being an overdose of testosterone crossed with confidence in their abilities. Almost no female who got involved had complaints, and many would forgive much to keep them in their bed.

Size is absurdly diverse and rarely tied to ethnicity or even build- often women were surprised both good and bad that way.

Performance is often a combination of stamina and confidence with a healthy interest in mutual pleasure- not size- and only a few women seem to have physical interior builds that need particularly large or smaller to be satisfied. Personal cleanliness ranked WAY above skills too btw.

Porn is so thoroughly fantasy on male size and actions that I wonder if it designed to demoralize most guys rather than embolden them...

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KishinD 2 points ago +2 / -0

Whatever their reason it doesn't seem to be sticking. White American women still date within their own race more than minorities do, and blacks are the least popular race in online dating. (Especially black women, oh lawdy.)

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TrumpBringsLight 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think the porn of black men is to install or increase deepseated resentments. When the race wars come, this will be a factor.

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Rothbard 5 points ago +5 / -0

That makes sense so many times just a random cock or some gay shit comes out of nowhere.

I used to never ever come across gay stuff. Now a days itll pop up out of nowhere and trannies.

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xzars_folly 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then why is 90% of porn these days focusing in incest themes?

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RocketSurgeon22 1 point ago +1 / -0

To promote evil shit.

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MSG1000 13 points ago +14 / -1

Disagree strongly. Men are shit on all the time, that’s what brings them down. Young boys are generally treated as defective little girls and while girls have tons of help programs if their struggling boys have next to nothing. Combine with indoctrination with crap like the evils of Patriarchy and regardless of whether male centric leadership is the right way or not, men receive the message that “male = bad” and that affects their thinking.

 

Women are messed up the opposite way by being pushed into a toxic, self-centered and self-righteous mindset. They don’t say thank you for a man making them lunch because they think that pampering is expected for them. But wail if asked to do the same because muh’ patriarchy.

 

Now this does not describe all men and women today. But it’s the major contributor to the original problem stated.

 

On building things, doing things with your hands is considered lowly work by media and institutions so young don’t look at those hobbies and careers. They also aren’t really exposed to it. Combined with self-confidence issues stemming from reasons already stated they just don’t do anything physical.

 

On porn, porn has existed since for ever as have sex toys. If anything many young men to at least try real sex after viewing porn. The issue is many women don’t make meeting people attractive. In the most extreme cases you get Men Go Their Own Way where their personal cost/benefit analysis shows women not being worth it.

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JiggsawCalrissian 5 points ago +6 / -1

I didnt say it was the only factor. But its self inflicted, which makes it a little different. Igs a result at least in part from several things you mentioned. Treating boys like defective girls (Hoff Somers right?) And any male virtue being labelled toxic

Between us everything we've mentioned is a new phenomena. Erotica has always existed but its has never been this widely available or as extreme as it is today. It's a battle on multiple fronts.

More destruction of social cohesion

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MSG1000 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thing is, narcotic drugs not being readily available hasn’t stopped their harm. Ergo if porn has always existed but in lower numbers I don’t think its availability today makes it one. I think the issues we have that are new are the bigger factors.

 

Also, like with single mothers = troubled young men, there’s so many contributing factors that there’s too much data noise IMO to certainly point to one thing as the main cause.

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JiggsawCalrissian 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hm. Perhaps I could redraw it as an excuse to not engage, or a coping mechanism say, rather than a cause of disengagement. To your point, a drug is a drug regardless of how available it is, the consequence is the same.

You have guys like genghis Khan. He's busted as much as any "connoisseur" I reckon. He just made kids while doing it.

I definitely think the scales are tipped against men in ways we arent even ready to acknowledge. Certainly not discuss openly. I dont disagree with a single item you pointed out. It still makes me sick to my stomach and I've followed mens rights personas for well over 10 years now.

Thanks for commenting, you've tempered my pov on this somewhat.

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MSG1000 2 points ago +2 / -0

Thank you for replying back too!

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80960KA 2 points ago +2 / -0

You have guys like genghis Khan. He's busted as much as any "connoisseur" I reckon. He just made kids while doing it.

Bring back spoils of war and porn goes obsolete 😏

Until that day...uh...2D is superior

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xzars_folly 4 points ago +4 / -0

Just like racism doesn't exist and is being propped up by blactavists for quick cash...

Sexism NEVER existed. Female lives have ALWAYS mattered more than male lives, since the dawn of time. Think about it, when people have to DIE, its ALWAYS been the men who die. And men used to enjoy a measure of respect for this.

Now in the modern age, there is none. There is absolute narcissism on the part of Western women.

We live in a misandrist matriarchy pretending to struggle against mysogancy to validate its domination and subversion of men.

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KishinD 1 point ago +1 / -0

doing things with your hands is considered lowly work by media and institutions

It's considered lowly/bestial work by the Talmud and it rubs off on others in the media and institutions.

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james43552352345 11 points ago +12 / -1

IMO, most men get introduced to porn in their young age because they can't get laid by the normal means. Young women, who naturally get a ton of attention, just go to older guys that are more established in life. So there ends up being a void where young people basically can't get a GF so they turn to porn instead to satisfy their sexual needs. If you look at the percentage of young men (18-22 years old) that watch porn, it is extremely high.

I know this is the reason why I started watching porn in the first place.

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DCdeplorable 8 points ago +8 / -0

I started trying to acquire nudie mags at like 14, because i was a boy going thru puberty. I shouldn't have been having sex then, and wasn't so i needed something to deal with all those hormones. I don't know how big a problem porn is as a concept, i think its the infinite hours of free porn that ruin the mind. One photo of a pinup girl got me a lot of mileage, now i see two ppl hardcore fucking and its like ok but the camera angle could be 10% better let me keep browsing... (i dont have a major porn problem either, i can imagine how much worse it is for many men)

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SanFranShitty 4 points ago +4 / -0

Well said!

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Getfuckedcommietrash -1 points ago +2 / -3

This is some retarded shit. You've never needed a wife to bust a nut. Walk into any bar and there you go.

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JiggsawCalrissian 1 point ago +2 / -1

You may have missed my point slightly, you lothario heart throb you ;p

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chess 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not to mention that because of birth control, women are easier than they were before. The risk of getting pregnant from sleeping with someone outside of marriage is almost eliminated. Now men don't need to build bridges across the mediterranean, so they don't. And their kids won't either because their parents didn't pass that culture down.

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

???

Okay, so there may be a contribution from the contraceptive pill and the 'sexual revolution' of the 60s and 70s (just how widespread that was is debateable), but it can be argued that promiscuity rates are falling over time (https://ifstudies.org/blog/nine-decades-of-promiscuity) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promiscuity).

The rise of HIV / AIDS, and now the emergence of multi-resistant STIs is a good reason for the pullback, but we can look back at almost any time of history and see that people didn't really keep it in their pants all that well. One means of tracking the progress of the Lewis and Clark expedition was to track the appearance of mercury compounds in waste pits - mercury compounds that were being taken by expedition members to treat syphilis and constipation.

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KishinD 1 point ago +1 / -0

Testosterone is manliness, internet faps kill your testosterone levels, porn is a trap and men the unwitting prey. "Soyboys" should be called "fap chaps" because cooming does more hormone damage than soy could ever dream of.

There's an absolute sickness of the members of that industry. It should be classified as human trafficking, because that's what it is. Look into the human side of porn, it's a waking nightmare.

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RocketSurgeon22 21 points ago +22 / -1

Thanks for sharing. It's good to hear these stories.

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stratocaster_patriot 7 points ago +7 / -0

Coomer? Do you mean consumeproduct.win ? Consume more ammo.

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AlphaNathan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Who tf downvoted this?

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Thracka951 70 points ago +86 / -16

40 years, I've never cheated. Been cheated on by 5 women, including my ex-wife. This is pretty much the same story among almost every single dude I know or have discussed it with.

We're not the problem.

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LacyLiberty 38 points ago +63 / -25

ladypede here, my ex husband was the cheater... so please don't generalize either way, hmm?

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Aquamine-Amarine 27 points ago +42 / -15

Women are not always the problem. Men can cheat too. Don't act like they don't. BOTH genders can cheat.

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VoidWanderer 26 points ago +34 / -8

One gender isn't mentally wired to always look for "better" as a survival mechanism. You probably never really grasped why arranged marriages were a thing.

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novaks47 13 points ago +18 / -5

No shit, that's why nobody said "always". He was saying mostly. As in 70% mostly, and that's just the recorded ones.

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LacyLiberty 4 points ago +10 / -6

you're ruining your own "argument" here... who's that cheating woman gonna call? oh, right, all those men who "can't" cheat... yet they'll be right over to drop trou when the cheating women call?

oh, and even if that 70% figure is true... how many of those women are divorcing their husbands who cheated?

sorry you don't seem ever to have known a good loyal woman... and with that attitude you probably never will.

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xzars_folly 4 points ago +5 / -1

I don't care HOW fat, ugly, or old you are . There are many men out there who would happily and eagerly fuck you.

As a man being "untouchable" is very, very, very real. Is not true for women.

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KishinD 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's correct. It's why they rely on the superego - the assumed judgements of others - to guide their moral approach to life.

Giving women the vote was the first step to dividing us and destroying us as a nation. The founders knew, they talked about it at the constitutional convention.

Fuck man the Greeks knew 2,300 years ago. They made a comedy about women gaining power in Athens. It featured a welfare state, the destruction of the family, heightened promiscuity, the ugliest women get the most sex, and more. Turns out that no matter the era, it follows the same pattern, and it sucks.

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TrumpBringsLight 1 point ago +1 / -0

Cool! What was the play or author?

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sleepingbeautyc 4 points ago +6 / -2

Neither hubby nor I have cheated. So maybe it is individuals that are to blame, not a whole gender, race or whatever category you want to use?

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Boogi2shoes 3 points ago +4 / -1 (edited)

This mindset is how America got to the point we're at now.

Its not bad to point out overwhelming stats and facts and then choosing to make decisions off the decades of data at hand.

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F_D_Romanowski 8 points ago +11 / -3

My father cheated on my mother. He's been an absent father for all of my life.

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LacyLiberty 6 points ago +6 / -0

sorry to hear that, fren. life can be rough.

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Thracka951 2 points ago +5 / -3

Since you don’t want me to generalize, can I assume that you called out OP as well?

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LacyLiberty 4 points ago +6 / -2 (edited)

no need... other pedes had already covered that side...

and perhaps you missed the part where I said not to generalize either way...

but thanks for playing.

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Thracka951 1 point ago +2 / -1

Well, that isn’t exactly an internally consistent argument, but as long as we are otherwise are on the same side against the commies, no harm done :)

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sleepingbeautyc 2 points ago +3 / -1

I took it to mean to inspire his gender to do better. Not saying that the other gender was perfect. I read it and realized that although porn is not a problem for me, that there are things I can do that will improve our marriage. And because of the way OP framed it, I made a plan to do better.

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Olschoolponcho 2 points ago +7 / -5

Yeah i had an affair with my gfs best friend as we were pregnant with our firstborn. Shitty i know. Long complicated story tho. Cant always generalize

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xzars_folly 1 point ago +2 / -1

Even if you got the bad men, the majority of cheating is done by women.

90% of women are only actually sexually attracted to 5% of men. But that 5% of men will fuck 80% of all women gladly.

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Junkamale 12 points ago +14 / -2

I've seen similar in my life. Women fantasizing of other relationships leads to social media stalking then communicating then virtual cheating then the real thing.

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F_D_Romanowski 11 points ago +13 / -2

We're not the problem.

I feel your pain. But it's not that men aren't the problem. It's that women get almost none of the blame. Never the less there are far too many men that are not taking care of the children they brought into this world.

My father cheated on my mother. They were divorced when I was 8. He provided very little in financial support for his 3 children who are now in their 50's. Of his 5 grandchildren, he met 2 of them once in 30 years.

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Kolob 3 points ago +4 / -1

Agree, I believe it is societal and you have better odds in religious communities, but have to be very careful no matter what.

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stratocaster_patriot 7 points ago +9 / -2

Some men are a problem but some of us are very much loyal. Once we decide you are for us we will stick by you forever. But again, that's not all of us.

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Thracka951 7 points ago +7 / -0

That’s a good point, my peer group has been whittled down over the years and only includes folks that I would consider to be morally and ethically consistent. If I had a friend that I knew was cheating on his wife, I’d probably distance myself from them not out of deference to the wife, but because I would find them to be less trustworthy.

I’d much rather 3-4 close friends that I know I can trust rather than a big social group of flakes.

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stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yep. I'm 49 and can count good friends on one had and I may only see them once every few years. Quality over quantity is definitely how is goes (or should go) the older you get. Trust is really important.

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Kolob 3 points ago +4 / -1

The men in my family are like that. My mom was pretty difficult and my dad was still totally loyal. My husband and boys are loyal. Even my cucked brother was loyal until she kicked him to the curb.

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sleepingbeautyc 3 points ago +4 / -1

Thank you. My husband is the same and I appreciate you, him and the others that are loyal and strong.

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Rooster-J-Cogburn -1 points ago +1 / -2

They're all whores but your momma.

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Thracka951 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, definitely not all, but from my own experience about 30% seem to be from my experience

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KishinD 1 point ago +1 / -0

Statistically... Men cheat more often than women. But it's pretty close to fifty fifty.

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Mostprobably 1 point ago +1 / -0

BETAAAAAAA

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Thracka951 1 point ago +1 / -0

Elaborate?

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Mostprobably 1 point ago +1 / -0

Do you think that you play no role in being cheated on 5 times?

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Thracka951 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah, being successful enough to support a household on a single income and working long hours might have been a contributing factor, as might being in my forties and having been sexually active for three decades....

Having spent a significant portion of that time as a medic/FF similarly had me mostly dating nurses, who tend to be rather whorish — which no doubt helped also.

Don’t worry kiddo, I’m sure you’ll get cheated on and backstabbed when you grow up too.

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Mostprobably 1 point ago +1 / -0

Getting cheated on isn’t normal. And no lengthy speech is going to change that; you’re just lying to yourself.

Women like men who aren’t emotional and have self-control.

Seek the Kingdom and find yourself a Christian gal. No sex out of wedlock if you want it to work!

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Thracka951 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your arrogant and insulting approach are the exact type of “Christian behavior” that drove me away from the church out of disgust at your blind self-righteousness and hypocrisy. It took me 20 years to rediscover faith, and I still have zero trust in or respect for the human institutions that claim to spread God’s word as they tend to be governed and organized by people like you... you who don’t see the utter contradiction between what you preach and how you behave. Pharisee much?

Next time you want to come out and insult a complete stranger out of the blue, it would do you and your evangelism a lot more good to shut your mouth and read your bible since I think you missed the point of Book 2 entirely.

I’m glad you seem to be here to support the President and I am glad to find common ground there at least, but as for how you decided to initiate this conversation, you can kindly go fuck yourself.

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Former_RM2 69 points ago +75 / -6

Two problems need to be corrected before we can return to the old methods.

  1. No fault divorces need to be nullified and family courts need to be overhauled.

  2. Men need to act like men. Men need to handle their shit and stop acting like children looking for mommy's (the wife's) approval. 'Happy wife, happy life' is repulsive to women. She will follow your lead if you work on improving yourself and start doing the things you should have been doing all along.

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Mad_Hattie 21 points ago +22 / -1

This could be why many "Feminists" look to Islam or love the crap out of that.

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Former_RM2 10 points ago +12 / -2 (edited)

Maybe you're seeing the light. Do you want to know more?

edit I should clarify. I'm not talking about Islam.

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stratocaster_patriot 6 points ago +9 / -3

No fault divorces are filed by women 70% of the time. Saying that men need to start acting like men is total bullshit. Plenty of us do. You aren't casting light on anything, I think you are just blaming men because you think they are bad.

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Former_RM2 -2 points ago +4 / -6

You aren't ready.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +5 / -2

So as I suspected you have nothing. You won't share what you claim to know until someone is wiling to accept it all. Got it.

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Former_RM2 -2 points ago +4 / -6

I wont share it with someone who will be hostile to the process. I am sure that you will be hostile. There's no need for you to know because it will provide no benefit to you, just anger. Trust me, you are better off not knowing.

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Boogi2shoes 5 points ago +5 / -0 (edited)

.... you're making excuses because you cant provide what you say you can.

You are attacking an anonymous persons character based on literally ONE of their opinions out of thousands.

You even consciously chose to not have an argument you knew you were about to lose because quite literally facts dont support you.

So what you CONSCIOUSLY chose to do was attack their character and attempt to shame them as being lesser than yourself.

When in actuality the fact they're attempting to debate you with facts is proof of their character and you've coincidentally shown your own character by trying to manipulate people reading your interactions by shaming and belittling them.

Im guessing you know all this. You're acting on your inherent uncontrollable nature.

You're a joke.

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Boogi2shoes 2 points ago +3 / -1

Wow what a thought provoking comment!

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +6 / -3

The only thing that motivates feminists today is fuck the white patriarchy. Period. There is no rationale behind why they would accept Islam other than that.

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Mad_Hattie 2 points ago +3 / -1

I don't know, I still suspect there is a reason.

But then again, even if there was a reason, that wouldn't make it justified I suppose.

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niacin 12 points ago +14 / -2

I wouldn't say "happy wife, happy life" is repulsive to women. Men who simp and just become a doormat are though.

Happy wife means that you're meeting her needs, and hopefully she is meeting yours as well. That's called a healthy relationship.

Unhappy women cheat, so do unhappy men.

The problem comes when there is not equal satisfaction in the relationship.

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Former_RM2 1 point ago +3 / -2

Are you speaking about the woman's needs, or her wants? Hmmmm?

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niacin 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's actually silly that you even ask that question. I am speaking about a woman's needs. It's not like you get married and then you don't have to try anymore.... that goes both ways. Marriage is hard work and has lots of ups and downs.

Women go looking for attention when they aren't getting it at home. Same goes for men.

Both sides need to stand up and do what needs done.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +4 / -1

I've always called out people for #2. I always hear, oh looks like someone has never been married before. So I have to have been married before to be a retard? OK lol.

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Former_RM2 -1 points ago +2 / -3

I've been divorced and the reason she left me was because I was a whiny little simp who let her use me like a doormat. I changed my life, became a better man and am in a 2+ year LTR with a girl who's 14 years younger than me and have a very healthy sexual relationship.

That being said, I'm still not going to marry her for fear of the family courts, and yes, I've told her I'm not going to marry her.

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +2 / -1

It's odd how some men think they what women want when in fact women just often want a strong man who is interesting and does what he likes. I've considered marrying my girlfriend just so she can get my benefits and money when I die but that's not a really good reason. I'm past the age of having kids so there would never be that mess to deal with but yeah, once was enough for me.

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hsproductions 63 points ago +69 / -6

“I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman. Job 31:1 NIV https://job.bible/job-31-1

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Meatbank84 41 points ago +44 / -3

I struggle with that so bad. I do my best to avoid it and ask Christ for forgiveness when I fail.

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RocketSurgeon22 35 points ago +38 / -3

Being conscious of the behavior is most important. We are born with desires but how we manage ourselves is so important.

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AlphaNathan 9 points ago +9 / -0

Would also like to add that you don't need to ask forgiveness every time you sin. The bible says Christ's work is finished. It's not dependent on you. The bible says to confess your sins to God, but once you're saved by Christ, your sins are forgiven, past, present, future.

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RocketSurgeon22 7 points ago +7 / -0

I disagree but I am not a Bible expert. You can always revert to sin after being saved. Being saved again is good practice and asking for forgiveness helps you grow as a Christian. Awareness of sins helps better oneself. Just my opinion.

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GregTheTraceur 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

I am loathe to call myself a Bible expert, but I'm a lifelong Christian and I would consider myself reasonably knowledgeable.

Our salvation does not come from us not sinning. We are not righteous (Rom 3:23). We are unarguably called to repentance (Rom 6:1-2), and I'm of the opinion that if you are truly saved, you will want to turn from sin (Gal 5:24-25), but that doesn't change the fact that we will constantly fail (Rom 7:14-20). We are saved by grace through faith, not of our own doing (Eph 2:8-9). That's the whole beauty of the free gift of salvation. It's a free gift for anyone who believes (John 3:16). Sinners are the ones who need a savior (Mark 2:17). Continuing to sin after you've been saved doesn't mean that you have lost your salvation, rather it further demonstrates your absolute powerlessness against a force that Jesus was able to resist entirely, and is willing to save you from if you just ask.

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Kolob 6 points ago +7 / -1

We women struggle with this too, it is human, but if we nip it in the bud at the point of thought we are doing are best and that is enough

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stratocaster_patriot 4 points ago +5 / -1

It is hard especially when you are daily on a college campus during sunny warm weather. I'm not near as religious as I was at that time but back then it was a lot like what you are saying; a constant struggle and constant prayer for repentance and protection.

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BigFreedomBoner 1 point ago +9 / -8

Look at old ones.

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had-to-chime-in 2 points ago +2 / -0

You need to motivate yourself. Look up the benefits for your body and mental health from porn abstinence. Testosterone levels double after one week of abstinence from masturbation.

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ABC_oldguy 14 points ago +15 / -1

I’m only looking at the hotties for Trump posts for the guns and boats.

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LoneStarDangler 10 points ago +10 / -0

And the articles

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outsideop 20 points ago +23 / -3

Appreciating beauty is one thing. Wanting to stick your dick into it for the sake of sport is another.

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barwhack 14 points ago +16 / -2

Hi new-account. You like pigs?

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stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +6 / -1

Do you not realize there is a difference between looking and lusting and that some people are Christian and are supposed to live by certain rules? Nope, just go right to the pig fucking is what your brain does. Seems like maybe you ought not to be chastising others.

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AussieTrumpFan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Song of Songs 4?

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Pelosi_Halitosis 54 points ago +55 / -1

26th anniversary is coming fast here.

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2godbthegloryamen [S] 18 points ago +20 / -2

Hallelujah!

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Desertwhale 10 points ago +11 / -1

I'm 1/2 there with year 13 coming up! Keep at it!

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sleepingbeautyc 4 points ago +4 / -0

This year is 30 for us!!! I am so incredibly blessed.

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BigFreedomBoner 49 points ago +66 / -17

Yeah porn's the problem.. LOL. Or it could be a generation of women who do not know how nor are interested in being a wife. Men are devalued into nothing and what - you gonna try to give me a guilt trip? Trust me man, I'd love to go back to a time when I'd be banging my hot wife before I got to bed and first thing in the morning. Not a lot of those women around. If you got one, that's awesome. Enjoy it because it is RARE.

But overall, men have been made obsolete. So what's the point?

Ok take way our porn, but before you do so, take away all of women's dildos and vibrators. Like seriously the thing that replaced us. Funny how I don't hear the sermons about that.

Keep your porn. Just make sure it's the good stuff. Regular girls really turned on are the hottest. One's that you would be likely - on a good day - to land. And that is what you are most likely to encounter. So you wont have a mismatch between expectations and reality. That's the real danger of getting too deep into porn - Best damn thing could show up on your door but you too stupid too see. So be sure to keep it real and you will be fine.

And social media is far far more destructive. Good Lord. Porn ain't responsible for covid or BLM. But neither one could exist without social media.

BE A REAL MAN

Ha.

If you give a shit about what someone's definition of a real man is, you ain't.

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BigFreedomBoner 9 points ago +13 / -4

Women needed men back then. Now they don't. And everyone is miserable. Yay.

But I have no problem with the Book. But the Book does not say these things people claim it says when you understand the context of how and why it was said. "Love each other as I have loved you" seems not to be the ultimate commandment after all.

Instead we get "hey look at this narrow interpretation of the Bible. It casts me in a great light because I'm getting steady pussy." Ok....

Pretty much the opposite of what Christ taught but hey, if you are getting steady pussy it must be because Christ favors you.

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Ekgamut 4 points ago +5 / -1 (edited)

Eh, to be fair, porn in 1920s is just pictures of nude women with big titty. Now? Shitload of degenerate genres such as incest, rape, tranny, etc.

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AussieTrumpFan 2 points ago +2 / -0

So what is the argument for 'fertility symbols' and priapism worship from antiquity? Degeneracy has always been around and always a problem of 'those people over there'.

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Ekgamut 6 points ago +7 / -1

If you give a shit about what someone's definition of a real man is, you ain't.

It reminds me of a quote from Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius, “Waste no time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one”. You are 101% right.

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thuggishruggishtrump 4 points ago +5 / -1

Exactly, wtf kind of bullshit is this? Gave me Gillette vibes reading OP's post.

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Nightbringer33 30 points ago +33 / -3

yes, we get things our of order.

  1. God
  2. Spouse
  3. Children

Too often #3 is in the #1 positions, it will fail every time.

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stratocaster_patriot 6 points ago +8 / -2

And sometimes #3 is a cat or dog.

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RenaissanceOfHope 2 points ago +4 / -2

There’s nothing wrong with having a pet instead of a kid. When you’re married you have to put the spouse above the kids.

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mnguy12000 6 points ago +7 / -1

Bingo. I know 2 couples who divorced because wife put kids over husband then had the gall to complain about lack of love and care. Its like "where the hell were you in the previous 10 years?" Oh thats right, putting all you had into little Suzy while your husband sat on the backburner.

I was lucky enough to nip that in the bud early in my marriage with our first. The moment I noticed my wife was more into our daughter then me, I called her out and took her on a date. Once a week is all it takes, plus you might have to confront the behavior as well, Men, it seems, hate confrontation with their Wives. Its as if they are afraid of them with holding sex as punishment. Well be a fricken man and be head of the house and let her know with love how that isn't going work. (it helps to have a Christian wife)

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Kolob 5 points ago +5 / -0

If the sex is good the wife won't want to withhold it. I could never go without for long. My husband has never complained yet.

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InebriatedDaily 23 points ago +26 / -3

So diplomatic.

The obese cows now think a tattoo on their fat legs or huge fat arms is "sexy".

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neverreddit 13 points ago +14 / -1

Once saw a woman who could fit an entire frigate on her arm with such ease the detail was worthy of a painting.

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stratocaster_patriot 2 points ago +6 / -4

My rules are no pets, no tattoos. Seeing and ink blotch is an instant turn off. A woman can be super hot, take her coat off revealing a stupid tattoo and I'm just not interested anymore. I guess a little tattoo would not be a deal breaker but the mentality there is suspect to me. You think you are unique but you are a conformist and so you permanently stained yourself with some shitty artwork.

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InebriatedDaily 10 points ago +10 / -0

I thought cats were completely useless before I got married, I didn't have a rodent problem-but I swear that cat that came in the wife package became quite a little companion.

It could be very difficult to find a non-tattooed woman now. Completely agree on tats, as in "what the fuck were you thinking?"

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Ekgamut 9 points ago +9 / -0

I agree fully with no tattoos, but no pets? Why no pets?

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stratocaster_patriot 4 points ago +6 / -2

Because I want to be #1, not some pet. If you've ever dated a girl who has a cat you would know. Every time you are on the couch trying to make moves that fucking cat is right there in the middle of it and gets all the attention. Dogs lick faces and sleep in beds, no thanks. Cat boxes, oh fuck. There is just so many reasons not to be with a woman with pets IMO. Dogs and cats are fine I guess but I don't want to be forced to be around them all the time especially being allergic.

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cjcivicx 0 points ago +2 / -2

Yep. This x10000000000000!

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Shalomtoyou 2 points ago +2 / -0

My wife did a big accomplishment and wanted a tattoo. I was adamant in saying no. Fight fight fight fight fight fight. Finally she wore me down, and got the damn thing. I still hate seeing it.

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MikesBigJockstrap 8 points ago +9 / -1

I've heard too many times from women about how their husbands are "needy." No, your husband simply wants your attention because that's why he married you.

100% This. An honest man has one person he looks forward to talking to and spending time with most: his woman. When her attention isn't reciprocal or she's promiscuous, it often creates a dishonest man. This goes both ways. Remember, men get lonely too, but they just bottle their shit up.

Just talk to your spouse or partner, a simple conversation or activity could really brighten their day up.

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Kolob 7 points ago +8 / -1

I agree, it does not hurt for men to stay fit either. Also fit people have stronger sex drives and sex is very unifying in a marriage. The biggest gift you can give your children is a happy marriage and putting the kids at the center of everything is unhealthy.

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Aquamine-Amarine -3 points ago +13 / -16 (edited)

If the husband wants attention then he needs to help the wife take care of the children. Don't just expect her to do it all by herself and then complain she's not paying attention to you because she's overworked. Help her out. Then she'll have more time to pay attention to you.

If the children are being abused by the abusive alcoholic husband, the mother SHOULD always side with the children and put them first. But instead of being by my side my mother betrayed me and sided with my abusive alcoholic father. Fuck that. You can't side with the victim and abuser. You can only side with one, and anyone with common sense sides with the victims (the children).

Downvotes only prove me right, you sexist cucks.

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2godbthegloryamen [S] 14 points ago +15 / -1

I’m so sorry your father hurt you, pede. So truly heartbreaking. Peace and God bless. Our Heavenly Father will never leave nor forsake us.

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TotesNotKaren 7 points ago +7 / -0

Nah, I agree. My husband and I worked the same job before I quit to take care of the kids, so I understand what he goes through at work. He knows what taking care of the kids entails, and I appreciate that as well, but if you are a SAHM, you know that it doesn’t end. You don’t get to clock out like if you were paid to be a nanny or maid. We work together in the evenings to get the kids to bed, and do after meal cleanup and whatnot so that we can get the time to hang out.

It’s one thing to have the “job” of raising the kids, cooking, cleaning, etc. during the workday, but it would be soul sucking to have a spouse come home and not help share responsibilities that are post-work duties. Just to grab dinner, and go sit in the living room and zone out until bedtime.

If both partners worked before kids and were able to split workload in the evening so you can relax when they’re finished, that shouldn’t be a huge change when one spouse becomes a stay at home parent to continue doing so.

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stratocaster_patriot 2 points ago +6 / -4

Yeah I get so tired of that. Meet a girl, wow she keeps her place nice and clean. That's important to me. Move in together shit is piled all over the place. Wrapping paper from Christmas still in the middle of the room in July. Sweat pants, bathrobe, hair in a towel, "I look cute and soft". No bitch you don't and clean up this fucking mess.

It isn't just the kid vs husband thing. It can be pets as well. I won't date a woman with pets. That thing will be in her lap if she is at home. You will always have that fucking thing in between you and the thing probably licks her mouth and sleeps in her bed too. Fuck no. I've even been told that "well they were with me before you were". OK bitch have fun talking to your cats.

I know men go to shit too though.

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Zekk 38 points ago +40 / -2

In my experience being married before I got divorced, the only time I used porn or looked at other women is when my wife is the one dropping the ball. I can only handle headaches, getting up early for work, not in the mood and how blowjobs are sexist for so long. Turns out she was cheating on me the whole time.

The real problem in society is not a man or woman specific issue but a whole systematic issue of lack of morality.

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vinnychase 22 points ago +23 / -1

"Blowjobs are sexist"

Sounds like there were red flags

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VoidWanderer 14 points ago +16 / -2

Many women "drop the mask" after a few years into marriage because they fully understand that they've got you by the balls, as it were, thanks to the family court. Even without children divorces are horrible if the woman wants it to be, and many do as they only wanted to be with the man they married for his resources not because they cared about him in any way.

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Zekk 12 points ago +13 / -1

Yup, this is precisely what happened. I mean, the first time I had sex with her she gave me a blowjob without me even asking.

She was just an overall bad person.

I will say one thing though... I think originally she was somewhat of a good person which is why I fell in love with her. She was raised in a small town by conservative parents who taught her good morals; however, her father had a heart attack when she was 9yo so I attribute her childhood as being half good and half not.

The root cause of her change was without a doubt when she went back to school for law school. The school she went to was extremely leftist and she made friends with "strong independent" leftist women there. I could notice the change in her behavior and how she treated me ever since she went to that university. The leftist indoctrination of women, especially in academia, to hate men is real. She literally started looking at everything in the relationship from the female perspective without giving my perspective any care. She learned to only care about her perspective and she begun to view the male perspective (my perspective) as being sexist against women. The relationship stopped becoming about making the other person happy and instead became about how everything should be about her happiness only. She stopped viewing me as someone she should care about.

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niacin 4 points ago +4 / -0

The real problem in society is not a man or woman specific issue but a whole systematic issue of lack of morality.

This.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +4 / -1

I don't have a big issue with my girlfriend but what you said reminded me of something. When we first got together man she was an animal. She'd do and try anything and blow jobs for hours. Just watching TV, next thing I know I'm getting my third hour long blowjob of the day. It was unreal and I'm 49 so it was a bit much honestly. Now, I can't get her to do shit. She won't even let me put my finger in her mouth because it's degrading. I love her and won't leave her over that but what the fuck? I know she isn't cheating on me but it's always been interesting to me that with women sex has always seemed like a one way street. When I want it bad there is no way I'm getting any. When she wants it I have to turn a garden hose on her to get her off lol.

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Zekk 4 points ago +4 / -0

That's never a sign good by the way. If a woman truly loves you then her attraction to you won't diminish. The only time men run into the problem you're describing is when the women use sex to manipulate men or they've fallen out of love with the guy but are sticking around for the comfort factor. Obviously some dips and changes in sex drive and sexual activities is normal but if she doesn't want to have sex when you do and you feel like she's way too demanding when she wants to have sex, you've got a problem.

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stratocaster_patriot 0 points ago +1 / -1

I see that but don't think it's the case here. I know she still finds me attractive. She says so a lot and is in fact coming over here tomorrow just because she wants to fuck me. I think she was no manipulating me in the beginning. She was married once long ago and it was really bad. After that she had nothing to do with men for decades so it's almost as if I were her first and being in her 40's she decided there were things she had not tried in life ad wanted to. Some of it was a bit surprising to me. Then I think once she'd had her fill, the sex continued but the huge drive to try new things died off. I have had a problem not getting it sometimes when I'm horny but I've just had to learn to say, "You wanna have sex right now?" That was hard for me to do at first because it just isn't sexy but it works with her better. It leaves no doubt and she'll usually go to the bedroom immediately.

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VoxVulgaris 34 points ago +40 / -6

My priest tells me that is the biggest problem among men in my parish.

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Mrs_Fonebone 34 points ago +46 / -12

The ones who need this won't heed it.

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ProphetOfKek 38 points ago +41 / -3

I’m in recovery from it. It can happen, but I had to be committed to the Lord first.

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2godbthegloryamen [S] 18 points ago +22 / -4

Amen.

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The_Real_Jameson 17 points ago +20 / -3

Amen. Kicking the porn habit is one of the hardest things that a man can do, but it's worth it. Praying for you pede.

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ProphetOfKek 16 points ago +19 / -3

Stopped smoking, drinking, drugs, porn all thanks to the Lord. And I was the really hopeless kind of addict. Still working on the over eating thing, but I’m confident I’ll get there because of Him! Thanks for the prayers!

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alex_p_keaton_III 13 points ago +16 / -3

It's funny that a lot of atheists mock Christians, and yet, often, it's only through God that so many can be strong enough to kick the habit (whatever that habit may be).

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neverreddit 5 points ago +8 / -3

The only truly effective recovery is the 10 step style which is based on giving yourself over to God. No surprise the left is trying to discredit it.

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alex_p_keaton_III 11 points ago +13 / -2

Anything Christian is to be destroyed or co-oped in order to create the utopian Marxist America. Traditional Christianity stands in it's way.

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Election_Quotes 7 points ago +7 / -0

I love reading these types of comments on here. Place is full of people working to better themselves in so many ways.

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mnguy12000 4 points ago +4 / -0

Amen Brother, God is the answer, you just have to humble yourself and ASK FOR HELP.

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The_Real_Jameson 2 points ago +2 / -0

Amen, and God is Good. Jesus will take care of you friend. Always has, always will, if you let Him.

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Wheredidiputit 6 points ago +8 / -2

nofap.win

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Mrs_Fonebone 3 points ago +7 / -4

Congratulations! Stay on that path--you'll get there!

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neverreddit 10 points ago +12 / -2

I think offering a strategy is the key. A fellow pede once commented that the way he succeeded in recovery was kind of lame but very effective- scheduled sex with his wife. Once, twice, three times a week, whatever you absolutely need- make it a priority schedule it and never flake. That way you know you can last until the next occasion. Wives are the solution if men are ready to tackle the problem.

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JackSharpScribe 2 points ago +2 / -0

As an unmarried teen who's struggled for years, I've often used "I'll quit when I get a wife" as justification for not learning how to overcome that addiction. I wish a wife could be the solution for me to break free, but I'm nowhere near that.

Thankfully I've slowed my use and have been trying to get closer to God over the years. I don't use casually anymore, I only relapse for a day, maybe. Hoping to get to the point where I don't relapse at all.

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BarbaraManatee 2 points ago +2 / -0

My hubs struggled with this addiction starting as a teen, and we didn't meet and marry until nearly 30. So the wife couldn't be part of the solution. He said he had his breakthrough when he started admitting that he wasn't struggling - he was choosing. And he chose what he wanted. He realized he actually was in control of his choice.

Praying for you. We were virgins when we married one another. God pointed me out to him. We are very good for one another. Keep leaning into the Father. He will steer you well - not out of all pain, but He can use the momentum from the storms to slingshot you further into His beautiful plans for your life, and you will be amazed at the view from up there.

You have what it takes to overcome.

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2godbthegloryamen [S] 10 points ago +12 / -2

Pray. I will, too.

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notenoughbutts 3 points ago +5 / -2

But we can't be hopeless. Maybe this is the time they'll read it and finally shape up.

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Ex-libtard 30 points ago +54 / -24 (edited)

Moral busy bodies like this is why we lost in the post reagan years. Do not forget that.

Reagan himself was petitioned to do two federal level studies on porn. It's fine and frankly is a matter of free speech.

I'm not going to shit on my wife because she jerks it to lesbo porn when I'm away.

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2Fangz 24 points ago +28 / -4

I was looking for this response, thanks. You're on point. Conservatives lose when they try to force - or worse - legislate what people do in the privacy of their own homes and bedrooms. It's Big Government and it runs contrary to the conservative principle of small government.

Anyone interested in this fight would do better to crusade after a moral crisis where there is a clear cut victim and (what should be) an illegal act: abortion. Frankly it is quaint to go after pornography with everything else going on in the US today.

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Ex-libtard 10 points ago +14 / -4

If I were a leftist I'd lean into this area of conflict on the right. Dividing the religious nutters from the liberty people has worked before and porn is a good choice in the internet age.

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grayghost13 14 points ago +36 / -22 (edited)

Yeah, porn hasn't helped anyone in any way... There's no studies at all that find that porn has improved lives, built families, and encouraged human interaction in a long term, meaningful way. Why is that? You can bitch about "moral busy bodies" but those "moral busy bodies" are building families, keeping their kids out of the streets, and the jails, and building this great country. Don't get it twisted. They have a point.

Edit: Who the hell are the faggots down voting me, that refuse to respond?! Prove that porn has built families, societies, and civilizations, and I'll retract my comment.

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grayghost13 6 points ago +9 / -3

What does abortion have to do with this? 1920s? Yeah, sure, little peep holes in some God forsaken building. Yep, the 1920s are totally like today...

"Nobody said it helped anyone either." It didn't help anything then.. It doesn't help today, but it didn't help then either..

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mnguy12000 6 points ago +7 / -1

Hmm last I checked, when I was going up, you have to get one of your Dads or Friends Dads girlie magazines. Or walk down to the Video store or Theater and pay to get it. Now its free, EVERYONE has access to it.

Its not just Pics of Boobs and Bush its all of it, in motion hardcore and nasty. If you can't see the difference in that then you need to reevaluate your idea of what is really the problem. There is no work in getting Porn, in less then 5 seconds you can have a video playing on your Phone...ANYWHERE. That is the problem kids and adults are able to get addicted to this crap younger and faster then ever before from their own bedroom.

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TrumpBringsLight 2 points ago +2 / -0

Porn in the 1920's had a purpose. It was shown in brothels for men in the waiting room to help them orgasm quicker when in the rooms with the women.

THINK ABOUT THAT!

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Ex-libtard 1 point ago +10 / -9

Wrong. I mean even the first argument is wrong.

A rich dude who just owns a porn studio is doing just fine. That money spends the same.

And lets be clear on how stupid you are with this argument: it says only things that improve lives should be legal.

Seems to be the libtards just arent endorsing the government overreach you support.

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grayghost13 6 points ago +10 / -4

First off, I never said anything about the legality of anything. I'm not wanting to illegalize porn in any way. Did you read my comment, or are you just gaslighting me? I don't know why some people feel the need to run to a legal stance when someone makes an argument against USING something. BAD FOR YOU != ILLEGAL

So, tell me, in this hypothetical world you just created by some rando "rich guy" who runs a porn shop - yeah, that's what's really goes on - So, does this guy go home to his low self esteem wife, and say, "Hey Honey, I'm home.. Long day at the office, I mean, lots of tits and ass to film.. how's your day, sweetie?" Can you imagine school day for his kids? What does your dad do? "Mine films people fucking all day long".. Ok, little Timmy, settle down there ... How is that building a family? What study shows that using porn strengthens relationships across all relationship groups? There aren't any.. You still haven't shown me SQUAT at this point to refute any of my points. I'm sure I'll be an old man before I hear actual evidence that I'm wrong.. But by that time, if you're not a hermaphrodite, non-gender queer baboon, you're a bigot.. So, who knows..

But you did have a lot of the usual tropes.. Good job.

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Ex-libtard -3 points ago +5 / -8

Do you have a fat feminist ghost writing for you?

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grayghost13 -2 points ago +3 / -5 (edited)

Edit: My comment wasn't necessary

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Ex-libtard 1 point ago +6 / -5

This explains why you support the dumb stuff that caused the Bush years and a generation of commie libtards.

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grayghost13 1 point ago +3 / -2

I didn't.. I have no idea what you're getting at. Could you explain? I'm no commie.. The only good commie is a dead one.

... continue reading thread?
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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +4 / -3

You got no reply because that user has very little of value to add. They call themselves Ex-libtard but I really doubt that. It's a strawman festival with that guy.

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +3 / -2

Dude you want to talk about a stupid argument?

it says only things that improve lives should be legal.

You keep insisting we are talking about making laws here and nobody is doing that. You are really hung up on something nobody is saying.

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womp_squared 11 points ago +13 / -2

I agree with you but still agree that people need to cut back on the porn bigly. It shouldn't be banned because people should be allowed to make a choice. But the more people use it the worse off they are.

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Ex-libtard 11 points ago +15 / -4

Sure but thats just called advice. You're giving advice. Thats super, good on you.

I dont care about any of that shit though. Im concerned wth liberty.

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stratocaster_patriot 2 points ago +7 / -5

Where are you getting the idea that any of us or OP are trying to rob anyone of liberty and pass laws. OP is giving advice and you act like it's why conservatives lost ground to the Marxist left since Regan. That makes no sense.

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Ex-libtard 5 points ago +8 / -3

Moralizing is exactly why we lost ground. Advice from faggy preachers and other such idiots mark the entire 90s.

Im here to support liberty not a self help regimen.

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +3 / -2

OK that's fine but all that moralizing happened and here I am, not longer a lefty wanker. I get that people don't like being preached to but lashing out is pretty childish and nobody is trying to make laws to stop that behavior.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +6 / -3

Nobody is being a busy body. It;s just a suggestion for men and there is no harm in it. Nobody is suggesting men shit on anybody here

It's fine

But it really isn't and the dangers of it are well known. If you think it's just fine, tell me, would you date a woman who was a porno actor? If you say 'no' then it's not just fine. It is freedom of speech though.

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Ex-libtard 4 points ago +6 / -2

I also wouldnt date a women who has a kid. I wouldnt date a woman who is ugly. Lots of reasons to not date someone. I certainly wouldnt date a woman if she told me what to warch.

No one makes you do porn. No one makes you watch porn. And no study has pointed to negative outcomes of any reproducible value.

As I said Reagan commissioned two federal studies on this due to the moral busy bodies at the time. The results are as i've stated.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

― C. S. Lewis

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stratocaster_patriot 1 point ago +3 / -2

Tyranny. Again, nobody is telling you what you can and can't do or trying to make laws to force you. You are getting advice and for some reason that sends you into a tail spin.

And no study has pointed to negative outcomes of any reproducible value.

Now I think you are just not being honest with us. Regan commissioning 2 studies is meaningless really and you have no data to support saying that it had some specific outcome.

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Hardcouer 1 point ago +1 / -0

Seen what Lewis had to say about society's obsession with sex?

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AlexAmore 1 point ago +15 / -14

This has nothing to do with Christianity or being a moral busy body. You can go back much further and find the same teachings over and over again from Buddhism or farther back with Hinduism or even farther back with Hermeticism from early Egypt. They warned of lust and desire as the root of suffering.

Porn isn't a moral problem. It's simply that it goes against nature. It depletes you. It makes you weak, physically and mentally.

When I quit porn, my eyes became clear. I was glazed over. My acne and dermatitis cleared up. My brain fog went away. I could maintain strong eye contact. Those aren't the big ones though. My anxiety and depression went away. Peace and contentment washed over me. I also notice people are drawn to me. I exude really good energy without trying. There are entire communities of men who are doing the same thing and finding the same results. Look up "Semenretention" on reddit.

But I couldn't quit porn through willpower. I tried that for 10+ years. It was only after I let go of my false sense of lack and scarcity. It was once I really understood what these aforementioned teachings, that have been passed down since the beginning of civilization, were trying to tell me did I actually experience it rather than simply have knowledge of it.

Or believe what the Fed said after a brief "study" or two of porn. Whatever. Stay in the rat race of brief dopamine highs and nut busting. I don't care. Just thought I would throw out a little PSA for my fellow Pedes.

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AlexAmore 4 points ago +4 / -0

If you suffer from Acne, it's absolutely worth a try. Releasing semen and the new creation of Semen is extremely taxing to the body, nervous system and creates wild fluctuations in the endocrine system. Ejaculation creates high levels of DHT in body which is a very aggressive form of testosterone. So you produce higher levels of oil.

When you stop ejaculating your body can get back to homeostasis, though it can take a few weeks or longer depending on how severe your addiction was.

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Ex-libtard -5 points ago +8 / -13

"When I quit porn, my eyes became clear. I was glazed over."

No one asked you to star in bukkakee films you censoring idiot.

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stratocaster_patriot 5 points ago +8 / -3

Ah now comes the ad hominem attacks. Typical leftist bullshit. Throw out a few anecdotes and strawmen you can't support and then start personal attacks in desperation. Go back to reddit if that's how you like it. I suspected your username was deceptive and now I'm sure.

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Ex-libtard 1 point ago +4 / -3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pornography_movement_in_the_United_States#Meese_Commission_under_Reagan

You can be mocked because you are stupid.

" My acne and dermatitis cleared up. My brain fog went away. "

I mean just look at the evidence you claim to have been a pimple covered porn addicted foggy minded person. But im supposed to take your advice?

Hard pass, I've been killing it with clear skin and no porn addiction for 35 years, and I shall continue.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +4 / -1

mean just look at the evidence you claim to have been a pimple covered porn addicted foggy minded person.

You;re not even responding to the right people at this point. I never said anything like that. Again, you look really stupid calling others stupid for things they never said. Maybe call it a day?

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AlexAmore 2 points ago +2 / -0

Where am I advocating censorship? I'm against public education, too. Are you gonna say I'm against educating our children.There's such a thing as "nuance".

Lash out at me. I clearly struck a nerve. It took me years to come to terms with it, as well. I was a severe addict.

The science is in. Your body was not evolved to jerk off to highly stimulating porn at the drop of a hat for a variety of reasons. I'll give you one. Your brain is highly sensitive to dopamine. Dopamine motivates you to strive in life. It gives you confidence and energy. The reason men become lethargic, unmotivated, unconfident, Viagra poppers is because dopamine receptors shut down from overstimulation. As such, you need more and more dopamine to get the same "high" - to feel "normal".

Porn works in the same manner drugs do. It's all the same biological mechanisms at play in the brain. Dopamine and it's receptors. You can use it to get ahead in life or use it for a cheap thrill, but it's finite.

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Hardcouer 1 point ago +1 / -0 (edited)

How is this even busy bodying? Did he call for a ban? No. He's just saying true things about a vice that harms your brain.

All porn is unhealthy but the things that modern porn websites are full of are ruinous. Step fantasies, BDSM, group sex and anal are not "healthy and normal" and it's a good thing to point that out.

It's the difference between prohibiting liquor and saying alcoholics are sad and pathetic.

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rimper 28 points ago +29 / -1

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!... My wife's boyfriend says you're a bigot!

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greatgonzochops 27 points ago +31 / -4

Everything in moderation. Just don't over do it.

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ABC_oldguy 12 points ago +12 / -0

Yeah. I’m not sure porn is a problem for most people. I think it may give younger people the wrong ideas about sex. But I don’t think younger people should be watching it anyway. But that’s a parent’s problem. And I think that’s a much bigger problem than porn.

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RenaissanceOfHope 5 points ago +5 / -0

Kids should not watch it, adults should either refrain or use in moderation.

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MuadDon 3 points ago +3 / -0

If this post flew, someone should start the "prohibition/drug war is a leftist policy" thread. That will really upset the social engineers here.

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trump1aj 25 points ago +39