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feelingcute 71 points ago

Yeah but - still murdered.

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feelingcute 40 points ago (edited)

Fair point. Yeah but - still homicided.

Spez - I have some homework to do on homicide, murder, manslaughter... a lot of things. I appreciate the comments. I want to do my best to say the right things. Still learning, folks. Won't stop.

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daty_dato 39 points ago

While we can all agree the cops actions where egregious, they'll have a hell of of a time convicting him of murder. They be forced to introduce lesser charges down the road which is allowed in Minnesota. The nuances of their laws as written are murky at best leaving a lot of room for interpretation. It's even tougher with the conflicting autopsies. Tell a jury of people that aren't always the smartest people that it was murder, no matter how the laws are written they might view it as an intention taking of someones life. Add that he's an officer on duty called to the scene likely dealing with an incoherent/uncooperative person. It's a mess in a courtroom. We don't convict/lynch people because we believe he murdered the man any longer.

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MAGA_MEXICAN_CHILI 12 points ago (edited)

It can still be manslaughter even Murder 2 might be considered now there is proof that George was having a heart attack while in Custody and the Cops refused to render aid.

Hell that might doom the guy, the knee on the neck was not killed him. It was the heart attack caused by the stress of the situation. The 'I cant breathe' is indicative of the man having a massive coronary heart attack. The pressure on the neck on the main artery just accelerated his death. The cops did nothing and I mean NOTHING to render aid. Once he said that' I cant breathe' the officer should have stopped putting his knee on his neck, flipped him over and tried to render some form of aid. there's 4 cops... One of them could have had their taser out as defense of the other cop. A EMT should have been dispatched, but there wasnt...until he was dead. Meaning these cops willfully let the man die in their custody.

This isnt the first time a Cop did this, everyone forgets about what happen to Kelly Thomas in Orange County when 4 coups beat up, tazed and murdered a mentally ill patient...all the while screams for "I want my father" was curdling out of the man's breath until his life was extinguished. That cop got off even though it was clear negligence and homicide.

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MAGA_MEXICAN_CHILI 7 points ago

Yup,

This is the sad truth... you could have a seizure and they will arrest you for being under the influence.

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duck__man 4 points ago

Yeah there was a court case.

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45fan 2 points ago

No person is required to render aid ever.

Your body, your life, your deal.

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tombombadil 2 points ago

And I do believe they called for medical aid during the arrest.

The main problem is that they kept holding him down when it was clear that he was unconscious and no longer a threat.

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HuggableBear 8 points ago

Hell that might doom the guy, the knee on the neck was not killed him. It was the heart attack caused by the stress of the situation.

The guy they charged isn't the one that actually caused this. The other dude had his weight on his back making it where he couldn't breathe.

Honestly, though, it doesn't really matter. They should all be charged. The man was clearly saying he couldn't breathe, wasn't resisting, and they all just sat there and waited rather than let him up and see if he might not just be saying that.

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WishdoctorsSong 3 points ago

So if a person tries to kill you, you restrain him, he then stops resisting while under restraint and says he can't breath and you should let him go, you'd let him go every time?

You catch a tiger by its tail you fucking hold on. Particularly if that tiger is on meth.

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HuggableBear 2 points ago

says he can't breath and you should let him go, you'd let him go every time?

Nice straw man, bro. I never said let him go.

If he is cuffed and on the ground with three other officers around? Yeah, I would ease up on the restraint around his head, neck, and chest to see if it helps him breathe. I would not remove the cuffs, nor would I allow him to stand up.

Quit your bullshit, man. These cops did the wrong thing. It's okay to admit that. You can support cops and still say these particular cops were shitty and stupid.

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tombombadil 1 point ago

Is there any evidence that he “tried to kill” the officers?

Also note that it says recent use of meth. Not “meth intoxication.” I am not sure how long meth stays in the blood stream or how long it’s effects last but it seems like they are making a distinction there.

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quarantinedeeznutz 6 points ago

If the cops let someone up every time they said they couldn't breathe no one would ever get arrested. Pretty much everyone that resists arrest gets fucked up in the process. The whole thing is a load of shit. I think the cop was in the wrong but I'm so pissed off about the riots I would like to see him found innocent and made chief of police

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MedPede 6 points ago

A better set of restraints could help eliminate a lot of this. It would take some effort to get the subject under control, but once that was done, A well designed set of full restraints would safely take care of any resistance and still keep the subject safe from harming themselves or others.

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tombombadil 4 points ago

Good point. They use that kind of stuff in psych hospitals all the time. That could actually be a reasonable proposal that might help improve the situation rather than rioting and looting.

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feelingcute 5 points ago

We're not talking about every cop every time. We're talking about this guy. This time. And what he did was awful. So are the looters. Awful. You actually want him found innocent and made chief? Go fuck yourself.

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quarantinedeeznutz 5 points ago

Yeah I want him made chief because the looters are full of shit. More whites than blacks are killed by the police every year. Unless you've tried to restrain a guy that's the size of Lennox fucking Lewis and high on methamphetamine then you really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Go fuck yourself

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xvincekinneyx 1 point ago

Wow you're stupid.

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TrumpFTW 2 points ago

Do you have any links or more info on Kenny Pierce? I can't find a damn thing online I used Google and duckduckgo

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MAGA_MEXICAN_CHILI 4 points ago

I have to go back an edit, but His name is Kelly Thomas

https://www.scpr.org/news/2014/01/13/41569/kelly-thomas-trial-jurors-reach-verdict-in-beating/

His father was former Police and the police knew him..

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BadManOrange 8 points ago

If there's truth to the talk about them knowing each other, then murder would certainly be on the table.

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RosieODonald 5 points ago

MICHAEL BADEN, THE SAME MEDICAL EXAMINER WHO DID EPSTEIN, JFK, MLK AND MICHAEL BROWN

is behind the second "independent" autopsy.

Spread it like wildfire pedes!

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kalshebikalim 5 points ago

He's the one that said Epstein was a homicide

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ImWithHurrDurr 3 points ago

He is also 85 years old. Most likely a figurehead.

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tombombadil 5 points ago

He did JFK? How friggin old is this guy? Was he also in the delivery room when Ruth Bader Ginsberg was born?

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RosieODonald 2 points ago

The guy's pretty much immortal or he had an unusually great opportunity at a young age and has been the celebrity Medical Examiner for the deepstate ever since.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 4 points ago

He'll likely face a manslaughter charge and will also likely be convicted. They won't risk trying for a murder charge.

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Onlyherefor_T_D 4 points ago

I disagree, I work in law enforcement and the restraint methods/duration used were ridiculous.

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Reddit2016 2 points ago

Yes, and when he's acquitted the riots start all over again.

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ColinFlahertyDotCom 1 point ago

Except this time they won’t have anything left to burn or loot, and I dare them to move into residential space.

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TonsOfSalt 14 points ago

His inevitable defense that his department allowed that maneuver is completely overshadowed by the pleading for help and concerned citizens repeatedly telling him that he doesn't look good and should check his pulse. That fucker kept holding, and that's why he should be in prison.

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dancn 16 points ago

On the other hand, I have never tried to restrain someone that big who is high as fuck on meth and fentanyl. Perhaps it’s super common and well known not to let up?

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MedPede 5 points ago

Yes, it is. They don't have to be that big either to be difficult to get under control. Someone could be 130 pounds and hard to handle when they are on meth or other drugs. If it was just "hold this person no matter what." it would be easier. When it's "hold this person, but don't break any of their bones, don't let them beat their head against the ground, don't let them injure their spine, etc" there are a lot less options.

The knee to the neck is one technique we never use, though controlling the head is a key part of keeping the subject safe.

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Pedeville 3 points ago

Yeah, ive tried restraining people who are alot smaller than me and its really fucking hard without causing harm

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flashersenpai 5 points ago

If you're OD'ing on fent you're passing out not getting drug muscles according to Scott Adams anyway.

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MedPede 6 points ago

Scott's basic idea is valid, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. I've seen patients who have come in screaming and thrashing about on the stretcher who pass out while we are working on getting an IV in (they often have what look like good veins, but frequently difficult to get a functional IV catheter in due to all the scar tissue in their veins). A few minutes later and the patient is getting Narcan because they stopped breathing.

When they are on meth and swallow baggies of heroin/fentanyl to keep from being arrested with possession, it becomes a waiting game to see if and how the opiates will kick in.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago

If he was alone with no backup he would have more of an argument for keeping him pinned on the ground like that, but there were supposedly three other cops on scene. Even if the guy was combative, three cops could easily handle him once he was handcuffed. I watched the video and I have no idea why he kept him pinned like that for so long instead of just having the other cops help get him into the vehicle.

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ColbyP 1 point ago

Meth, probably. Fentanyl probably not.

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RememberTheLiberty 6 points ago

His inevitable defense that his department allowed that maneuver is completely overshadowed by the pleading for help and concerned citizens

Wrong.

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rlbigfish 14 points ago

Yeah, people will stand there and complain no matter how the cops are acting. It's inevitable.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago

I can guarantee you that he will claim that he kept his knee on him because he was still resisting, but the video evidence does not bear that out. He kept his knee there long after the man had ceased all sound and movement. He's not going to be able to avoid a manslaughter conviction.

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HuggableBear 4 points ago

Yeah, but from the video, Third Degree Murder is the right charge.

Murder 1 = Knowingly take an action that killed someone with intent to kill and premeditation

Murder 2 = Knowingly take an action that killed someone with intent to kill but not premeditation

Murder 3 = Knowingly take an action that killed someone without intent to kill

Manslaughter = Take an action that killed someone without intent but without trying to prevent harm, e.g. negligence

These cops knew what they were doing and the man was telling them he was in distress and they continued what they were doing anyway. They didn't intend to kill him, but it wasn't simple negligence and it wasn't an accident.

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RosieODonald 2 points ago

MICHAEL BADEN, THE SAME MEDICAL EXAMINER WHO DID EPSTEIN, JFK, MLK AND MICHAEL BROWN

is behind the second "independent" autopsy.

Spread it like wildfire pedes!

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Pedeville 3 points ago

He's the one who said it was homocide

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Smubbs 9 points ago

Recent meth use and he had cardiac arrest. Interesting .

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MedPede 8 points ago

Maybe, maybe not. Enough fentanyl use alone will kill you, heart condition or not. Some people just seem to pass out and stop breathing (opiates depress the respiratory drive so that people slow or stop breathing). Usually narcan brings them back if they haven't been out too long, although it wears off and it may take several rounds of narcan to keep them alive.

Patients who come in with a high load of meth or cocaine, usually don't need narcan depending on the balance of the dosages they took and when they took each one. Meth can act on a person's system for several days.

I've had patients come in with some meth still in their system who had recently did (smoked/ingested/injected) a large amounts of opiates. They didn't need narcan initially, but some did later on and a few of them ended up being intubated to keep them alive.

Do enough fentanyl and someone will be dead before the fire department/EMS can get there. If Floyd had been doing fentanyl and had some meth/coke in his system its possible that killed him. I would have to see video of when they initially arrested him and what his mental state/awareness was at that point and how it progressed to say whether it was probable.

If Floyd was initially very out of it and slow to respond, it would fit with fentanyl being a factor, especially if he was only responding when he was in pain from the officers efforts against him (He would be a P on the AVPU scale). If Floyd was belligerent and animated the entire time up until his collapse, then I'd say the timing of it would be far too coincidental to be the decline of one drug while the other did him in.

The adrenaline surge of being arrested and struggling with the police would have temporarily boosted his respiratory drive and helped overcome a certain amount of the fentanyl's effects. When this wore off, his breathing rate could plummet and just stop. His level of opiate tolerance would affect a lot of this as well - if he had a high level of opiate tolerance, it wouldn't affect him as much, but when it was enough to affect him, it would impact his breathing significantly.

I am not saying this is a likely explanation. It is difficult to tell how a given patient will progress over time, even when you have them in front of you on the monitor, with labs and urine tests. A few are frequent patients that we see again and again and again - and we have a good idea how they will progress, usually. We ask how much and what they took and adjust accordingly. Even then, some of those patients can surprise us.

If this were a non arrest subject, or someone who had given them zero resistance and they weren't responding, the police would have called for medics. Seeing as they had spent so much time trying to get him to stop resisting, a few minutes of him being still wouldn't register as something being wrong, so much as it would mean they had finally stopped struggling.

It could still be murder. Assuming it is from the video evidence alone is enough to call for a trial, but not enough to convict, and the evidence may point the other way towards being not guilty as well.

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border_humper 3 points ago

If Floyd had been doing fentanyl and had some meth/coke in his system its possible that killed him.

And that is reasonable doubt that the cop killed him.

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MedPede 2 points ago

Heart rate and rhythm under Meth use could be responsible as well. If they have a decent cardiac rhythm, no real cardiac issues and heart rate is 120 or under, it usually settles down with some fluids. If they are hitting above 135 and staying there for very long, the chances of a dangerous rhythm or heart attack go up.

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SemperFidelis231 -1 points ago

A fair point, but the failure to render aid when the guy was clearly requesting it could amount of manslaughter still.

I know loads of criminals try the "I can't breath" or "it hurts too much" shit when they get arrested, but as a cop you've got a duty to determine whether they're actually in trouble or not. This dude was clearly non-responsive for several minutes, and no one went "Uh hey bro you still breathing?" It never even occurred to them to check on the status of the person they were detaining. That's criminal negligence if I ever saw it.

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Scroon 4 points ago

Cops are trained to enforce laws, not make medical evaluations. They'd already called for the ambulance, so their job was only to keep the suspect under control until medical professionals arrived.

It's easy to say they should have checked on him, but keep in mind that they were surrounded by hostile civilians shouting antagonistic information at them.

I've been in vaguely similar situations, and you basically shut out all extraneous information and focus on executing your established plan of action (however flawed in retrospect it may be).

So yeah, they fucked up (probably due to poor training), but it wasn't exactly gross negligence and it must probably was not intentional.

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Pedeville 0 points ago

But he was cuffed and they were like 4 ppl, no need to step on him when he's on the ground at that point.

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ColinFlahertyDotCom 4 points ago

When you play stupid games, not just once, but habitually without serious negative consequences and purposeful introspection, the chances of certain outcomes grows exponentially and is to be expected by anyone with a normal functioning brain and a little bit of time on this planet.

The reality is George Floyd was a felon who chose to break the law again either knowingly, or unknowingly, and then proceeded to resist arrest with a very dangerous and often times fatal drug(fentanyl) in his system. I’m sorry if the truth hurts, but he is the one who chose to lower the value of his life by his continued bad actions. Contrary to popular belief, not all men are created equal, and that gap widens as people chose to make bad decisions and commit crime without learning from their mistakes. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Disclaimer: Don’t waste your time bringing up the cop. I won’t defend him and believe he probably deserves everything coming to him if new evidence isnt released to show otherwise.

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feelingcute -1 points ago

You can't just say "HERE'S ALL THE BAD THINGS ABOUT THE DEAD GUY" and then - *Disclaimer - don't talk about the cop that killed him. Okay CNN. And - yes, ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, BY GOD.

We're TALKING about the bad cop. Weather or not the guy was good or bad, he was done. Not resisting anymore. And the guy sat on his neck, while on his stomach for 8 minutes. THAT'S ALL.

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ColinFlahertyDotCom 1 point ago

🤣 I refuse to identify with either one of the pieces of shit. GF or Chauvin. Assholes collided and shitty things happened. I could care a less about either. I have no need for dindus or LEOs in my life. Sorry. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Once again, play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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Pedeville 0 points ago

Okey, you dont care that a bad guy is dead, thats okay. But you should care that police killed him in the way they did.

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feelingcute -1 points ago

Jesus.

You could "care a less about either" though - even if you don't know how to use the term. You said "I would like to see him found innocent and made chief of police"

So you did care.

What are you even doing on this site? People do drugs. It's awful. They don't deserve to die. "Assholes collided and shitty things happened." Nope. If that's the case, then nothing should happen if someone puts you in cuffs and sits on your neck when you don't respond.

I support the fuck out of our police. AND I STILL DO AND WILL. This one specific guy (I won't call him a cop) killed someone and it didn't need to happen. You feel the need to say that they are both in the wrong, fuck it?

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ColinFlahertyDotCom 3 points ago

🤣🤣Tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd🤣🤣

Numerous times in recent weeks, including the other night with the pawn shop owner who was arrested, we have been reminded that the police and law is there to protect the criminals first and foremost while persecuting and criminalizing the innocent and moral law abiding citizens. If you can’t see this 🤡🌎 for what it is, and continue to live in the world the way you wish it was and think it should be, I can’t help you. I’ll keep on living in the reality that is, while acting and planing accordingly. Sorry for your loss. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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President_Trump 3 points ago

Innocent until proven guilty.

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Mancubuss 2 points ago

Seriously. Fucking mouth breathers here making us look bad.

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ShitComment 1 point ago

Now, I'm speed, speed ballin'

Even Tom Petty would agree.

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RememberTheLiberty -1 points ago

I hope you're being sarcastic.

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TEXinLA 67 points ago

Heart disease, fentanyl and meth...

Heart attack.

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Staatssicherheit 36 points ago

after a nice neck massage. He was no angel. But this doesn't make him the devil, either.

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--1-- 53 points ago

No, what he did in 2007 makes him the devil. Pistol whipping a woman up and down her head in front of her 1 year old daughter, that makes him the devil.

https://media.thedonald.win/thedonald/post/nmGBg0Tp.jpeg

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If he didn't kick his way out of the back seat of the cruiser, he wouldn't have needed to be restrained. Maybe if he wasn't on meth and fentanyl, he would've made better life decisions that didn't require him to be placed on the ground and restrained.

Also, if he raped a baby, sure.. cops have their job to do.. and blah blah.. but honestly if he saw him rape the baby, I'd testify I never saw anything if he placed the guys head under his back tire and ran over his head like a melon.

edit: This is the middle part of him resisting in the cruiser. He resists prior to entry too, dropping on the ground and refusing to get in. The other half of the video is him kicking out the other side of the cruiser, where he is placed on the ground. Trying to figure out how to download the video from nbc news right now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-shows-minneapolis-officers-appear-struggle-george-floyd-back-n1220856

edit: Downloaded and saved it using OBS. I have it forever now.

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TonsOfSalt 12 points ago

I wasn't aware that he "kicked his way out of the back seat of a cruiser". Got a sauce?

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I had the video, trying to find it again right now. I was stupid not to save it because I thought the video would be everywhere, but the memory hole...

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glasses2020 9 points ago

that's why there are 2 videos that show him being restrained on both sides of the car. the first time he's restrained its on the curb side, then he kicks the door open and is taken down on the street side.

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HuggableBear -6 points ago

Still doesn't matter. I will grant you that the cops needed to do whatever was necessary to subdue for as long as necessary until he was subdued, but beyond that point, and they definitely went beyond that point, it's brutality and murder.

Once you stop resisting, the cops are supposed to ease up so you don't fucking die, man. It doesn't matter what you did during or before the resistance. If you're unarmed and you stop resisting, the cops aren't supposed to kill you. Period.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-shows-minneapolis-officers-appear-struggle-george-floyd-back-n1220856

So this video, sup? How did he get on the ground, why did they need to hold him down? SUP WITH THAT.

George Floyd deserved what he got.

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TGNX -9 points ago

All of this is irrelevant to the fact that three officers knelt on him, one on his neck, for more than two minutes AFTER he became unresponsive.

I get that he was not angel, and that he was causing trouble, but this does NOT justify using a dangerous restraining technique until someone dies.

Remember, this happened to Tony Timpe in Dallas, Texas, as well.

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krzyzowiec 9 points ago

But he didn't die from the knee, so how does that matter? If I put my knee lightly on someone's neck, it doesn't matter if I do it for five minutes or fifteen.

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TGNX 0 points ago

Because if he didn't have that knee on him for 8+ minutes, two of which were after he was unresponsive, he would likely still be alive.

It wasn't any one thing that led to his death, it was a combination of them all. Remove the one thing that the officers had direct control over, the knee on the neck, and we wouldn't be seeing these riots.

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Frihet 3 points ago (edited)

Timpa was coked out of his mind and died of a heart attack.

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TGNX 1 point ago

The guy who called the police because he was off his schizophrenia meds? Source?

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TonsOfSalt -7 points ago

I'd certainly care less about the outcome, but cops don't decide the verdict regardless.

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RememberTheLiberty 3 points ago

They didn't. Floyd killed himself by taking too many drugs.

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TonsOfSalt -2 points ago

Not what the report says.

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duck__man 3 points ago

Seriously? If somebody raped your baby you wouldn't pull Taken on them?

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago

It was hyperbole about how once detained, the officer isn't supposed to kill you independent of the suspected crime

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duck__man 1 point ago

Officer didn’t kill him, fenthanyl and meth did.

That’s probably why he resisted arrest for 10 minutes before the camera started rolling, he was drugged out of his mind.

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TonsOfSalt 1 point ago

What does the report say about the police actions? We know the guy wasn't resisting because he wasn't even conscious at the end.

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TEXinLA 11 points ago

Yup. The arrest triggered the heart attack. You take your victim as you find him/her.

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Yucky 56 points ago (edited)

You're fuckin kidding me. We had our country burned down for a meth head on fentanyl. My god.

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just-a-pleb 38 points ago

A meth head on fent that was also charged for robbery and home invasion is 2007.

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Not just home invasion, armed home invasion, against a woman, and they did it all in front of her 1 year old. They pistol whipped her several times, in front of her own 1 year old daughter.

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just-a-pleb 8 points ago

And people actually care that this man died, smh. Police being assholes aside, I have no sympathy for him.

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MedPede 2 points ago

It's an excuse for many of the most violent to begin attacking things. The ones who are violent but normally afraid of repercussions see all the violence around and then join in.

Mandatory life imprisonment should be the sentence for anyone committing violence during these protests/riots that isn't trying to defend themselves or their property.

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Southern_Belle 8 points ago

Kinda funny, isn't it.

But no, that wasn't the reason.

That was the excuse they gave to do what they planned all along -- riot.

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duck__man 1 point ago

Yeah, it would have been someone else.

The good news is that foreigners are watching and won't be coming here for jobs or schools.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago

Exactly. We already knew that they were planning to do this, and when this video came out it gave them the perfect opportunity.

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President_Trump 3 points ago

Animals looking for an excuse to loot. Worthless cockroaches.

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Underpants 2 points ago

Not really.... We had it burnt down because one asshole stood on the meth heads neck for 6+ minutes. Totally unnecessary.

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Yucky 1 point ago

Why did nobody burn anything down when the video of cops doing the same exact thing to Tony Timpa came out in 2019 (incident in 2016)? Literally the exact same thing, except the victim was white.

Some lives are worth more than others, it seems.

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Keiichi81 43 points ago

I mean, regardless of what drugs you've taken, a grown man kneeling on your neck for 8 minutes and taking no action while you repeatedly indicate that you can't breathe isn't acceptable. Careful what hills you choose to die on. Floyd being high as a kite and having been the recipient of police brutality are not mutually exclusive.

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Well, they tried to put him in the back of the cruiser, but while both doors were open he kicked his way out and onto the pavement, which is how he got on the pavement in the first place.

Things that contributed to george floyds death: 95% George Floyd, 5% Officers

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Shermoo 32 points ago

Add fentanyl and meth.

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But, but.... I was told he reformed his life and was a good boy now?! How can this be!!!!111!!1!

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Shermoo 4 points ago

I didn’t say that.

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johnbillaby 21 points ago

Few people care about reality, they saw a video and think they know everything already.

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President_Trump 1 point ago

Exactly. The real victim here is Derek Chauvin. He was dedicated to being a police officer, a man who pledged to serve and protect his community. And now he is the target of unwarranted hate.

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johnbillaby 0 points ago

No no he's a terrible murderer. He held a guy down with his knee, it made him die from something that science cannot imagine.

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HuggableBear -2 points ago

That's because nothing outside the video is relevant, dude. We have eight minutes of non-stop footage from multiple angles of cops kneeling on a dude who is telling them he can't breather, up to and beyond the point that he passes out.

That is not acceptable under any circumstances to any person, ever. This wasn't a split-second shooting. This guy wasn't uncuffed and fighting. He wasn't armed.

They fucking sat on his chest and neck until he passed out.

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johnbillaby 5 points ago

I know, it doesn't matter that he was talking about how he couldn't breathe when they put him in the car. Who even cares how much fentanyl he had in him. It's not like he could have taken a deadly dose when he realized he was being pulled over. Let's just put the police in prison, those people don't keep our civilization from devolving into misery at all.

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SkipperinTrumpsNavy 1 point ago

Police still need to be accountable for their actions or we live in a police state, a la Moscow under the KGB. This cop will have his day in court, but he clearly should have been removed from the force years ago.

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johnbillaby 3 points ago

Yeah, people complained about him, therefore he should have been fired. It's weird that every dirty loser complains about being arrested, huh.

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SkipperinTrumpsNavy -2 points ago

Complaints that landed in front of the prosecutor? How many cops have those? And before you say Klobuchar did nothing about it, the fact is it was still serious enough that she had to review it. Stop being a reflexive boot licker. Bad cops make policing even harder than it needs to be.

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Mancubuss -2 points ago

That’s 100% not true.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-shows-minneapolis-officers-appear-struggle-george-floyd-back-n1220856

Weird, because the video shows that. WEIRD how you don't get to see that video, how they leave it out. WEIRD huh. It's almost like they're fucking lying to you.

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Mancubuss 1 point ago

Your video doesn't make your case...it actually makes it worse. Since when have we ever seen cops with someone in a car, pull them OUT Of the car and leave them there. Their goal is to get them TO the car. That's ass backwards. Fry these fuckers

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drug_prowling_wolf -6 points ago

This requires a source.

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I'm looking for the full video. It's 2 minutes long. This video shows the first 3 seconds of resisting. It's proof the video exists, but I'm still digging for the full video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEeMHFik9Xo

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happyfeetmah 15 points ago

The media is covering the narrative. Crazy how every video is clipped right before we know what the hell happens

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I found 2 parts of the whole video, I'm editing the video and will upload it shortly. I still haven't found the whole video, but I found enough to make it clear that this meth head was resisting.

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He should've just sat in the back of the car. Wouldn't have happened. He was detained on the ground, only because he acted like a fucking animal.

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GEOTUS_JR 5 points ago

Here's the chinese food restaurant video: https://youtu.be/kiSm0Nuqomg

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MedPede 3 points ago (edited)

Good compilation.
Floyd seems alert, but wobbly on his feet.
At 1:44 it looks like Floyd is slumping over. Tough to tell whether it is a balance issue or starting to pass out.
At 2:09 it looks like he possibly loses consciousness and would fall to the ground if not being held by the police.

It could be an conscious action to throw off the police's grasp, but it looks genuine.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-video-shows-minneapolis-officers-appear-struggle-george-floyd-back-n1220856

That's part of the one I was looking for, where he is clearly resisting arrest in the back of the cruiser.

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drug_prowling_wolf 2 points ago

--1--, thanks for the source.

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They didn't take out a gun and shoot him, they held him in place because he was resisting. They even called an ambulance for him. Should they just keep kid gloves on for multiple felon, drug dealers, who are on meth and fentanyl?

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drug_prowling_wolf 1 point ago

I can't believe pedes downvote me for asking for a source. Fuck y'all.

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literallyhitler 13 points ago

if you are able to speak then you are able to breathe.

but I don't think this type of restraint should be used for people who are not being violent, much less already in cuffs.

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HuggableBear -2 points ago

if you are able to speak then you are able to breathe.

This is lethally untrue, no matter how many times people say it. You can still squeeze out reserve air from your lungs without being able to inhale it back in.

Think of it this way. If a balloon is almost out of air and you restrict the opening, you can still squeeze the balloon and make air come out, but you can't reinflate it unless you blow air in from the outside.

That's how your lungs work.

If someone tells you they can't breathe, don't fucking argue with them about it.

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MedPede 4 points ago

This is lethally untrue, no matter how many times people say it. You can still squeeze out reserve air from your lungs without being able to inhale it back in.

Only a few times, and not for the several minutes Floyd was doing it. It could be hard for him to breathe due to pressure on his back (though one video doesn't seem to show anyone on his back, but on his elbow and legs).

Opiates in your system can make it feel like you can't breathe either. If someone has never had morphine before (The law abiding patient with a broken femur for instance) I make sure to explain to them what the medication will feel like - and that it is their choice to take or not take. Even still, many people panic and say they hated it because it felt like they couldn't breathe and were dying.

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Fuckreddit01 12 points ago

I imagine people will say anything when arrested. I wouldn't be surprised if the cops are trained to ignore it.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 6 points ago

They do, and they are.

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krzyzowiec 10 points ago

He said he couldn't breathe while he was still standing.

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RememberTheLiberty 7 points ago

I mean, regardless of what drugs you've taken, a grown man kneeling on your neck for 8 minutes and taking no action while you repeatedly indicate that you can't breathe isn't acceptable

Wrong. Cops shouldn't listen to the ramblings and bitching of drug addicts. If Floyd didn't want to be restrained, he should have got in the cop car.

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HuggableBear -10 points ago

If she didn't want to be raped, she should have worn different clothes

This is you

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RememberTheLiberty 8 points ago

A 6' 6" violent felon on drugs needs to be restrained, buddy. If he got in the car he would not have been restrained.

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MedPede 4 points ago

repeatedly indicate that you can't breathe

Most of the people taken to the ground and held there state they can't breathe, even if you are just holding their arms and legs.

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The_Him 4 points ago

Can you send me a link to a full video that shows the entire 8 minutes? I haven’t seen one yet. All I can find are cut videos that go in and out.

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Mac3 2 points ago

He should not have been killed in that way.

But we can also acknowledge that he was intoxicated on opiates and meth, he was arrested for using counterfeit money, and he resisted arrest and fought four cops.

Had he not done any of those things he would still be alive and well today.

His society, his history, his culture, and his own choices... all these things failed him and led up to this moment of his demise.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago

If you can say you can't breathe, you are breathing, and unfortunately people being arrested will often say shit like that to try to get the cop to ease up, and they will often take that opportunity to continue fighting. However, keeping him pinned down even after he had ceased all sound and movement definitely isn't acceptable.

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AlGoreRhythm 38 points ago

With a little meth appetizer, apparently.

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EPic 26 points ago

CHINA killed George ! Spread the news !

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Proud_American 4 points ago

He used Chinese barbiturates after amphetamines and pulled an Elvis.

Being restrained sure didn’t help though.

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Magus_Strife 1 point ago

Trump was right, again.

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EPic 1 point ago

Reeeaaaall stable geeeniiiuuss

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mortyball 24 points ago

Lost his job because of the Wuhan virus, and fentanyl contributed to his death. China?

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Fuckreddit01 24 points ago

I've been told that mixing those two is a sure way to punch your own ticket.

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bovineblitz 8 points ago

It's really mixing them acutely, your heart gets too much stimulation and depression at the same time fucking it all up. If it's one at a time it's not really dangerous in the short term beyond the risks of the drugs individually.

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Mac3 5 points ago

Opiates + meth + poverty = the decimation of our country.

Secure our borders. Keep this garbage out.

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Inspector_Cheez 22 points ago (edited)

Manner of death: Homicide

Let it be known that if it becomes an acceptable tactic for law enforcement officers to apply nearly their full body weight to the vulnerable neck of a suspect, not a convicted criminal but a suspect, tyrannical leftists will delight in sending their own police to do this to conservatives protesting things like the covid19 lockdowns.

Keep in mind these were police officers hired and employed by DEMOCRATS, and in particular Officer Chauvin, who had a history of aggressive tactics, was let off the hook by Amy Klobuchar, the former Hennepin County Prosecutor.

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RememberTheLiberty 12 points ago

Let it be known that if it becomes an acceptable tactic for law enforcement officers to apply nearly their full body weight to the vulnerable neck of a suspect

Except it wasn't anywhere near his full weight.

And yes, it is acceptable by their policies already.

Furthermore he was a repeat felon, drug addict, and the cops already found a bag on him.

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HuggableBear -5 points ago

it is acceptable by their policies already.

So as long as they make a rule saying they can kill you before they kill you, it's all good.

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KS-76- 2 points ago

Sounds like the kind of thing that could easily lead to a riot. Bad look. The cop should have got off his neck at the very latest when the guy passed out. Sitting there for those 2 extra minutes is what caused the protesting. Opportunist Antifa/Democrats/Thugs caused the rioting.

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Tullipso 22 points ago

As a Christian, I have been really disappointed in Christian leaders believing the media narrative around this and fanning the flames of racism and division by virtue signalling their support for rioters. These same leaders have been mocked and shamed by the media for decades and suddenly they take everything the media says as gospel truth.

It was very clear from early on that George Floyd was a complicated figure--he has a rap sheet a mile long--including burglary with a deadly weapon and drug dealing charges. He was involved in producing pornography and was likely also involved in pimping out trafficked women. He himself didn't just push drugs, but was likely a high functioning addict.

He may have been a 'person of peace,' he may, as his brother has said, have been a 'god fearing man,' but his life is actually emblematic of the real problem in the African American community, a lack of agency and culpability for their own failure and sin as individuals. Instead of repenting, seeking forgiveness and extending forgiveness to others, they maintain their own innocence while at the same time burning down their communities and put all of the blame on groups and forces other than themselves.

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BasedRedPillZeus 3 points ago

Well said.

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Frihet 3 points ago

Why is being a lifelong piece of shit criminal "complicated" now?

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Tullipso 1 point ago

Same way the Apostle Paul was complicated--I cannot judge whether or not he really did start to turn his life around and whether the claims of faith he made within the last few years are true or not... that is for God to judge. There's a lot on his rap sheet that makes him look like an irredeemable sack of dirt, but God's grace is available for people just like that!

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MadRussian 16 points ago

Motherfucker was high and probably feeling like the Terminator.

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TrumpicanKAG2020 14 points ago

So meth laced fent china red cocktail. Didnt a Ed Buck Dem mega donor favorite cocktail for his sex slaves the meth and fent?

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Filetsmignon 12 points ago

My neighbor is a local sheriff where I live. He use to be a detective but now runs the jail. He was telling me today that he read Floyd's autopsy report. It says very little, to no sign of asphyxiation. Drugs and alcohol in his system, history of heart/health issues. Just had a physical tussle with the police, then dies, but unlikely due to asphyxiation. Neighbor says based on the autopsy report he thinks they'll have a very difficult time convicting on murder charges if the cop gets a fair trial. So Pedes, stock up on guns and ammo. Rodney King like riots on steroids potentially coming on acquittal.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 3 points ago

I don't see them even trying for the third degree murder conviction. I think they probably put that charge in to try to get him to plead guilty to the manslaughter charge, dropping the murder charge in exchange for the guilty plea.

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jgardner 2 points ago

"Look, Mr. Cop, we have to throw you in jail. You fight this, you'll win, and you'll walk free out those doors. But we can't protect you and your family from the mobs. And lots of innocent people will die.

"So sign the damn confession and plea bargain. You serve time in prison, your family is safe, people don't die."

That's what's going to happen.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago

Yep, the most likely outcome.

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Wizard 1 point ago

Thinking face recognition tech will give us mass arrests. Plus new emergency powers utilised. The autopsy report is designed in a way to buy time

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President_Trump 10 points ago

Fake News does Fake News things. Why am I not surprised?

The media wants it so badly to be a murder.

The man was still TALKING. You can't TALK and be choking at the same time.

He died because he's a drug user.

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HuggableBear -3 points ago

The man was still TALKING. You can't TALK and be choking at the same time.

You absolutely can. Forcing air out creates positive pressure, which your body is able to generate much more effectively than the negative pressure required to draw it in. You can squeeze out words for quite a while without being able to get any air in.

"If you can speak, you can breathe" is a lethal falsehood that people need to stop spreading. It only applies to people on their own, not people who have others forcibly restricting their airway.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 4 points ago

I play a wind instrument. You don't have a large supply of air to expel if you aren't breathing, which is why circular breathing is used to enable you to play continuously. You might be able to croak out a quick "I can't breathe" once or twice if you have enough air in your lungs, but you aren't going to be saying it repeatedly over a period of minutes unless you are breathing.

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HuggableBear 1 point ago

I don't know the numbers here, but I can make the point with made up numbers.

Imagine your body needs 100 liters of air per minute to function the way it needs to.

Now imagine someone is squeezing your lungs and neck, making it where you can only draw in 75 liters of air per minute.

Your body is receiving only 75% of the oxygen it needs to survive. You don't pass out immediately, but you also can tell you're not getting enough air. Your blood slowly begins to lose oxygenation, causing you to feel like you're drowning and can't breathe, despite being able to move air through your lungs and being able to speak.

After several minutes, your body starts to shut down, you stop struggling and couldn't move or fight even if you wanted to, and eventually your brain shuts off and you lose consciousness because, again, despite being able to move air, you're not moving enough air to survive because someone is sitting on your back and someone else has their knee on your throat.

Does that scenario sound familiar to you? Still think "If you can speak, you can breathe" is an accurate statement?

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 1 point ago

Your blood slowly begins to lose oxygenation, causing you to feel like you're drowning and can't breathe, despite being able to move air through your lungs and being able to speak.

You just undercut your entire argument by describing a situation where someone is breathing, albeit at a reduced capacity. Yes, you can struggle to speak a word or two when you are short of breath, because you are still moving air through your lungs and breathing. In the situation you describe, where you are in a critical state of reduced air intake, you aren’t going to be saying anything, because your intake of air is the priority and you can’t do that while you are speaking.

Anyone who has suffered a severe asthma attack or has exerted themselves to the point of being completely winded has been in the state you describe. They are still breathing and still conscious, but they are not talking because they are instead gasping for breath. Even if they reached a point where they passed out, they are still breathing, because breathing does not require consciousness. Your brain does not “shut off” when you lose consciousness.

So, to answer your questions: yes, that scenario sounds familiar to me because my wife suffers from asthma and I have exerted myself to the point of being completely winded. It doesn’t sound familiar to me related to this case though. The autopsy report itself makes no mention of asphyxiation.

Yes, I still think that “If you can speak, you can breathe” is generally an accurate statement.

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HuggableBear 0 points ago

Anyone who has suffered a severe asthma attack or has exerted themselves to the point of being completely winded has been in the state you describe. They are still breathing and still conscious, but they are not talking because they are instead gasping for breath.

Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that asthma attacks and being winded from running were caused by someone sitting on your fucking chest.

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Nadlers_Belt 9 points ago

What was the blood level?

If these numbers from a report about Prince’s fatal overdose are correct, if it is higher than 3 micrograms, the defense can simply argue there is no way of knowing if the fentanyl by itself was responsible.

The report says the concentration of fentanyl in Prince's blood was 67.8 micrograms per liter. The report explains that fatalities have been documented in people with blood levels ranging from three to 58 micrograms per liter.

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KeyboardWarrior 8 points ago

He was on meth. We're rioting for a meth-head. This explains why the excessive for was used.

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Vvetra 7 points ago

Scott Adams just put up a video explaining how a combination of fentanyl and laying face down can kill one. For the context, his stepson died of fentanyl overdose last year. https://youtu.be/BzZ1lHOpo64

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ImWithHurrDurr 6 points ago

“Like all opioids including heroin, fentanyl is a respiratory depressant – it interferes with the user’s ability to breathe. Because it is so concentrated people can misjudge the dose for themselves to dangerous degree.”

This is why he could say he couldn't breath when he was not being choked. The officers should have realized he was on opioids and administered narcan. His death is still on them. But he also was placed in the cop car and kicked his way out, which is why he was on the ground. That was probably the meth doing it's work.

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LostViking1985 2 points ago

Benefit of hindsight. How would they have been able to tell a druggie from the typical pleading of people being restrained?

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TOpede123 5 points ago

Is this legit? How did OP get this?

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TOpede123 4 points ago

Is this credible? Is there a source?

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Cardinal451 4 points ago

Fentanyl, anyone think it is not also from CHY-NA?

Isn't this malicious action towards our communities?

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bovineblitz 4 points ago

His heart was wired to blow but the neck compression is an ENORMOUS stressor to the body. Hypoxia at the very least strongly contributed to his death which is why it's listed under complications.

It's still homicide.

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TheMadManDidItAgain 3 points ago

Huh, surprised covid isn't on there. I mean, he was short on breath which is a symptom.

Unfortunately, I'm not being sarcastic...

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kidfromtheplayground 3 points ago

So a man hopped up on drugs and had to be subdued died because he was hopped up on drugs and had to be subdued.

I know I saw the video too, but I also know the knee to the neck hold is a normal police restraining point. Control the head control the person, animal, fish, etc.

Fentanyl killed him period, that drug takes your breath gives you shallow breathing, and drops your blood pressure.

Serious Side Effects

Serious breathing problems. Symptoms can include: very shallow breathing (little chest movement with breathing) fainting, dizziness, or confusion Severely low blood pressure. Symptoms can include: dizziness or lightheadedness, especially if you stand up too quickly

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TrumpTrain_MAGA2020 3 points ago

Yeah still listed officially as a homicide. WTF.

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President_Trump 6 points ago

We know the truth. The media distorts and lies. But soon the truth will come out.

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flashersenpai 5 points ago

Homicide is the death of a person by a person. It doesn't describe the culpability of the person in the death as would a charge of Murder or Manslaughter.

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Destineed369 2 points ago

He was a heroin addict. No one buys fent. They buy fent laced heroin.

He was still murdered.

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DearCow 2 points ago

Now, they let the cop go free and shit REALLY hits the fan! It's almost as if it's all planned.

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Scroon 2 points ago

Am I the only one who think the cops went overboard with the restraint, but it was within operating standards, and it was Flyod's drug use that ultimately killed him?

I mean if a cop punches a suspect in the head during an arrest and it pops a lethal, pre-existing brain aneurysm, the punch is what killed the suspect but it's not the cop's fault that the suspect died.

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ArchieInTheBunker 1 point ago

Nope, you're not the only one. It seems pretty obvious that is what happened.

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seski 2 points ago

That don't make it any less wrong.

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ChubbyHubby 2 points ago

I call BS that this is a FULL toxicology report too. Probably cannabis and other opioids at the least.

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H_Guderian 2 points ago

Comments: Please don't burn us down.

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ronaldcamillo123 1 point ago

Black people use meth? I thought it was the white man’s crack.

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NahNovaBrah 1 point ago

I can't believe the first place I heard this was on CNN. Doesn't change what happened, but still an interesting datapoint.

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Reddit2016 1 point ago

Wait..."recent methamphetamine use AND FENTANYL INTOXICATION"...WTF. That cop is an asshoe but did his knee actually kill this drug addict or was it the drugs??

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Ohshitawetdream 1 point ago

Fentanyl and methamphetamines means he was shooting up heroin.

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AvalancheUnitedMN 1 point ago

Damn I didn’t know that was his address. That’s a nice ass area of the cities. Super expensive next to Lake Calhoun and Lake of the Isles. Like one of the nicest areas in the state.

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LostViking1985 1 point ago

So China killed him

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flashersenpai 2 points ago

Just speaking from a practical position, having another Hands Up Don't Shoot back and forth counter narrative battle is going to make things worse. Perfect situation for race hustlers (white or black) to step in a shore up their positions at the expense of the people in the middle who are questioning the state of things right now.