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Nicktdot 267 points ago

CHINA IS ASSWHOE!

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BasedMedicalDoctor 303 points ago

I do feel bad for HK’s people though. They just got fucked twice. All the HKers who protested and hold up American flags got fucked. It isn’t up to us to save them but none the less, that shit has to feel horrible. I wish we could take all the pro democracy civilians and trade them for our communist leftists here.

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WU_HAN_FRU 138 points ago

Amen, especially to your last sentence.

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KeyboardWarrior 11 points ago

China should really offer them citizenship. And make it an incentive.

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RabidZoo 13 points ago

China should honor the fucking peoples wishes. That's the problem with these assholes over here too. Everyone lets them get away with shit and in turn they break the law more. Politicians jobs are about to get a whole lot harder from here on out. Eyes are opening and people are becoming wise. It's a bittersweet time in history.

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DonuteaterReturns 5 points ago

Exactly this. It got this bad because people were afraid of being called racists or being targeted by the woke mobs. They were afraid of losing their cheap Chinese crap. All it would have taken was someone with a set of balls to say no before this all got out of control. But nobody did.

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weltbild [S] 89 points ago

thing is if you don't do it you basically reward the chicoms for opressing hong kong

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 66 points ago

Hong Kong is done for either way. With luck, China will cave and honor the original agreement. Very doubtful though.

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IAbsolutelyDare 76 points ago

I'm seeing the UK is widening visas for refugees from Hong Kong. If Taiwan and others do the same this could trigger a brain drain that would leave China with a handful of worthless islands and huge sanctions to go with 'em. That should apply some pressure.

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minotaurbeach 58 points ago

In 1997, many HK people moved away, claiming the CCP are not to be believed.

Richmond, Vancouver Canada is a big community of Hong Kong people.

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K-Harbour 43 points ago

Hongcouver.

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Blaze-Bless 19 points ago

Can confirm 👌

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mugatucrazypills 8 points ago

University of a Billion Chinese (UBC)

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Troll 6 points ago

The UK is a communist supporting state.

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Farmerbob1 10 points ago

Move a bunch of people that lived in Hong Kong the last few years,, and the stories they tell might help the UK with their Socialism problem.

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DonAtari 25 points ago

It is naive to think that china won't infiltrate those 400000 with people of their own.

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Caferrell 12 points ago

The Hong Kong Chinese will know who the infiltrators are

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DonAtari 16 points ago

Cant take that risk. Merit based immigration is the only option. Case by case.

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Caferrell 9 points ago

If the emigration of Hong Kong Chinese is a slow process it will not avail anything. It will have to happen quickly

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alpha_omega 6 points ago

Taiwan is creating refugee visas for HKer. Tsai already directed her cabinet to do it.

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RabidZoo 2 points ago

Fuck pressure. We need to drive them into the ground.

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DonuteaterReturns 2 points ago

UK here. God fucking damn it, I voted Brexit for less immigration, not to replace it with Hong Kong!

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rooftoptendie 33 points ago

xi's china may not survive this onslaught of blows that its had comin its way for a while. With a LOT of luck, Chyna might overthrow its shitbag psycho leaders. Its long overdue, really. I'm sure a lot of people would be down to help out should it come to that.

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STEVE_HUFFMANS_BULL 27 points ago

Xi’s about to lose the Mandate of Heaven. May God have mercy on his soul when that happens

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Liver_Kick 10 points ago

No Mercy, just Wrath

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STEVE_HUFFMANS_BULL 4 points ago

That’s kind of what I was getting at. The Chinese people aren’t going to show him any mercy. Xi’s only hope is that God does, and I’m pretty doubtful that’s happening

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NvJohansson 6 points ago

Yeah, no that regime change thing never worked out well for us. Let them solve thier own problems, all we should do is hit them in the pocket book to protect our own interests.

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T-Bear 15 points ago

I will go on record as saying we have witnessed regime change - in the old Soviet Union.

We kinda just set back, and let the Russians unfold that themselves.

We will have to do the same thing for China, when that day comes.

We may be facing the same thing ourselves, if this Communist thing isn't stopped here in the US. I'd hope that China and Russia both have the sense to stay out of our business, even as we would stay out of theirs.

Some things we can do to speed China's spiral down, though...like remove it from Most Favored Nation status in our trading; begin buying up all their overseas assets they sooner or later will have to relinquish; removal of the US from the World Trade Organization (like WHO, we are the ones propping that corpse up); and bring our own Chamber of Congress to heel, to name a few...

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SadPangolin 2 points ago

I will go on record as saying we have witnessed regime change - in the old Soviet Union.

Bush literally tried to prevent regime change in the Soviet Union and keep Gorbachev in charge.

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rooftoptendie 13 points ago

I'm not implying we help, there are other countries and interests that would. You are 100% correct, the right move here is to keep kidney punching their economy and wait for them to fall down on their own.

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NvJohansson 10 points ago

The corona bs will hurt them, many western countries are repatriating their med production, they will be losing lots of manufacturing as many will be looking at india, tawain, indonesia etc for cheap goods production, not to mention they blew their G5 chances, Haweii is out if favor.. and its just starting. Theyll be hurting soon.

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Dictator_Bob 7 points ago

I can't disagree with the world police thing but we can sure as hell demand fair trade and removal from the WTO based on human rights. No more playing nice to dictatorships that refuse to liberalize.

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mugatucrazypills 3 points ago

The problem is that if you tell the Euro Cucks it's us or China, they'll pick China.

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Caferrell 13 points ago

Xi is not going to cooperate. He wants to centralize power.

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K-Harbour 10 points ago

Trump got Long Beach port back.....

.....Hong Kong might become our 51st Star, if Trump wills it.

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AlohaChris 5 points ago

OMG, could you imagine?

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DonuteaterReturns 3 points ago

Yeah, another Blue state. Great.

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bill_in_texas 8 points ago

That's got to be part of Trump's long game here.

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TimeIsARetardedOval 2 points ago

You aren't wrong but the problem is it's too late to effectively do something. We needed to be doing stuff awhile back. It's too late for Hong Kong but not for Taiwan aka Best China.

Here's hoping we don't leave them out to dry too.

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Xavier2337 47 points ago

No need to feel bad bro, I’m from HK and I can say we the protester side is glad that US finally cancel the special treatment to HK so China can’t use HK to do all those dirty work anymore(like they opened a company in HK and use it to buy techs for Iran before), sanctions all those China ass. Lickers officials in HK is also a big help cause they all got their properties in foreign countries. It’s almost 4am now but we all witness and discussing this historical moment now, we will keep fighting and let’s hopes China fucks off real quick.

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rooftoptendie 7 points ago

at this point or in the next several years, even if its an outside chance, can chyna's ccp be overthrown? Are they fed up and terrorized enough? Has the ccp pissed off enough people yet to possibly git er dun?

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human_centipede 2 points ago

I'm from Canada and I'm really disappointed the Commonwealth hasn't had your back better.

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Bax101 47 points ago

The residents are already fleeing to Taiwan and Canada under special refugee status.

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ClownTamer 39 points ago

I’d be fine taking HK refugees here in the US. A lot of people don’t know, but HK people were the free folk out there. They don’t even consider themselves Chinese usually and hate China. They had relative autonomy and weren’t the creepy CCP ruled folks. Everybody cool you might know that’s Chinese probably came from Hong Kong. They just lost their freedom and are having secret police put in and their internet censored and all else. China just took them over and broke their agreement. They were a free people that were taken over by evil communists.

They also have a lot of money that China’s trying to take from them. If we did bring in the Kongs, we’d be getting China’s best, brightest, and richest. Bring in the Kongs.

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672-EVIL 26 points ago

Nope. Their children will whine about 'white supremacy' and join the Dems. Even happened with the Cuban immigrant's children. The only immigrants I am willing to accept are Europeans. We need need to get our country back to its original state and I don't give a fuck if some cocksucker thinks it's racist.

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GarudaOne 34 points ago

Even Western Europeans are lost, they're all a bunch of socialist and "refugee" sympathizers.

Me personally, I'd take South African farmers and Eastern Europeans only.

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672-EVIL 10 points ago

Good point.

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mugatucrazypills 4 points ago

My scoring system is Based Polish first.

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slrpnls 1 point ago

Eastern European women are usually busty and beautiful so I'm okay with this.

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ChelseaHubbell 22 points ago

Europeans are mostly socialists and commies. How do you think those ideas infiltrated our universities? They came from ww2 European refugees. They are even worse now except for certain eastern Europeans

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DonuteaterReturns 1 point ago

You mean Jewish refugees? They're the only ones that came over in significant numbers, apart from operation paperclip.

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DonAtari 21 points ago

Europeans? Lmao They are the most cucked out of the bunch. Merit based immigration on a case by case, anything else is stupidity.

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SpaceManBob 5 points ago

Merit based immigration on a case by case, anything else is stupidity.

This

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672-EVIL 1 point ago

I don't want any immigration that doesn't reduce diversity because diversity is bad for a nation as it reduces social cohesion and capital. Hence only Europe immigration. I don't want to become a 3rd world shithole. If necessary, make sure they share American values.

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DonAtari 4 points ago

You are thinking about Europe 30 years ago. Get 100,000 people from England, see how many share American values. Get 300000 from France lol. Most are from 3rd world shit holes now. Immigration only merit based.

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ClownTamer 16 points ago

All my HK friends are based but I’m glad we’re able to talk about this in a public forum without going to internet jail.

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PhilFoden 2 points ago

What? You mean Central European Islam and nordic liberal cucks ? Hahaha..

Europe is fucked and you don't even realize it.. lol

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672-EVIL 1 point ago

Then make sure we get the right Europeans. Or do you want people who hate whites and whine about white privilege? Seems like you haven't learned much and still think diversity is great.

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PhilFoden 1 point ago

How bout we get nobody?? Why do we need more immigrants??

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tombombadil 1 point ago

It’s different with Asians. Cubans get to play the “muh white privilege” card because they are Hispanic and therefore “oppressed” in leftist crazy world. Asians are not “oppressed” because they are more successful on average than white people.

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mugatucrazypills 1 point ago

Your success is oppressing me.

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tombombadil 11 points ago

When you take people that a fleeing communism, they’re tend to be hardcore conservatives. Cubans are almost all conservative. Sebastian Gorka‘s family escaped from Soviet Hungary.

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IAbsolutelyDare 4 points ago

Agreed!

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flybyninja 3 points ago

Usually wouldnt mind taking some HK refugees. However, record unemployment and the worst economic crisis in a century is not the time.

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balko256 4 points ago

How about an exchange program where we trade a Soviet flag waving antifa thug for an American flag waving HKer.

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alpha_omega 3 points ago

Xinnie the Pooh would promptly throw Antifa into concentration camps in Xinjiang and those would be the ones lucky enough not to be Seth Riched.

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TimeIsARetardedOval 1 point ago

I'm still not seeing a problem with this.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 24 points ago

POTUS needs to open that avenue here as well. We did it for the Vietnamese Boat People back in the 1970s, and (at least in my own experience) holy shit did those folks turn out to be awesome!

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randommemefarmer 20 points ago

Fuck no. They vote left 70%.

Let them stay and let them fight for their freedom.

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Harambe 18 points ago

70% is a figure for ALL immigrants. I think we need to look closely at the voting habits of HKers in particular. They might be some of the 30%.

As a whole I agree with you though. We cant keep importing people that vote against us. We need to be SMART

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SCOTUS 17 points ago

Vietnamese have proven to be one of the smartest people in this country. Look at all of the names graduating at the top in engineering programs across the country.

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sackofwisdom 9 points ago

Older generations who survived serious shit end up raising successful kids.

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CovfefeAndDoughnuts 8 points ago

DubdubdubDaDonaldDotNguyen

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672-EVIL 11 points ago

Nope. We're full.

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ChelseaHubbell 9 points ago

That's how my family got to HK where I was born and then to the USA when we were sponsored.

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UsurpTheNarrative 16 points ago

Canada will let as many in as want to come. It will even pay to set them up. Trudeau will do anything to help make sure white Christians and Jews are a minority no matter the cost. So they can all just come here to Richmond BC.

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TaggartCiscontinenta 3 points ago

You realize Canada’s Jewish population (329,500 in 2011) already comprised <1% of its (34,342,780 in 2011) total population, right? They were a ultra tiny minority group long before Trudeau, so I’m curious as to why you specifically included them with the white (72%) Christian demographic.

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rooftoptendie 4 points ago

a dig thru his post history will help you figure it out.

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rooftoptendie 10 points ago

Dear Lord, may all the residents of Honk Kong who are totally based af and wish to leave, make it out safe and sound to a nice country that makes them happy, and may the Lord protect them and their families and loved ones. Amen.

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Sporadica 3 points ago

There are 300k Hong Kongers with Canadian citizenship. As a Canadian, both of us sharing British Empire history, I'm ok with it if we bring them all in. They are smart, hate China, and have a lot of money if they're duel citizens. Better than importing the same number of people like we do every year from India and Africa who don't share our culture.

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Southern_Belle 23 points ago

It would be best if we could eliminate communism from the world.

Then the HK protesters would have freed the mainland, too.

Maybe it's on the way.

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rooftoptendie 11 points ago

looks like it might be headed in that direction. the europeans need to hurry the fuck up and wake UP to what is going on, that would give this whole thing a lot more momentum. As usual we have to drag them around like a retarded cousin that we love but dont really like. Eastern europeans are their saving grace, they despise commies.

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KeyboardGuy45 9 points ago

Europeans live as if the past still makes them relevant. Europe peaked 300 years ago. If we are waiting for them, we will never get help.

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DonuteaterReturns 3 points ago

I wouldn't be so sure. Europe is in a very rough place right now, Italy is considering leaving because of the refugee crisis, the North is sick of funding the south, Hungary and Poland are only there for the money and everyone is sick to death of Islam and immigrants. When it goes off,and it will, you'll see a return to order very quickly.

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lifeisahologram 15 points ago (edited)

They got fucked in 1997 by the U.K. which is when their boat was truly sunk. It was just a slow sink, and everyone pretended like nothing was wrong, as Chinese has continually eroded their freedoms well in advance of the 2047 date.

Now lots of people say "But the UK signed a 99 year lease, they had to give it up!" Yeah but a couple of things...

  1. The Chinese government, or at least its ideological descendants, which they signed the deal with originally, was run out of China in the 40's and is now Taiwan. They did not make the original deal with murdering communists.
  2. The murdering communists less than 8 years prior to that day in 1997, the same murdering communists the U.K. were dealing with for the hand over, massacred up to or over 10,000 of their own citizens at Tianamen Square, and continue to avoid responsibility or admitting to what really happened.
  3. The murdering communists barely a generation before that, killed nearly 80 million people with their genocidal policies.

Why on earth the U.K. agreed to fulfill their end of the agreement, when it was so obvious they were not dealing with the same country, and they were dealing with a government so eager to kill its own citizens, is disgusting. The U.K. deserves just as much blame. It's like handing over a puppy to a guy with blood all over his hands, and a puppy furnace behind him as puppies scream for being burned alive.

The moral responsibility U.K. had was to give HK their freedom, and commit to providing HK military support until such time HK was capable of defending themselves like Taiwan.

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Sporadica 6 points ago

UK fucked them that's for sure. If I was the UK PM, not that cuck Blair, I would've simply said "Sorry, we signed an agreement with the old dynasty, not communists. And since we know communists tear up agreements all the time to get their way, we will not recognize you as the party to this contract, therefore we will give back to Taiwan, the true Chinese government, or if Taiwan doesn't want then HK can stay British, and that is that". The world got greedy for cheap shit to help prop up going off the gold standard so Nixon opened up China, thinking it'd hurt the USSR as the USA could always outbid them for Chinese goods, but recognizing them in the UN and making them the official sucessor state and giving China that sweet sweet fucking veto power, fucked the ROC.

As a Canadian I'm just so fucking done with China. We should end all trade with them, open up embassies in Taipei and call for the communists to get off that Veto seat.

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lifeisahologram 2 points ago

Completely agree, that veto security council bullshit is....bullshit. Yeah lets go ahead and give literal mass murders permanent veto power. That'll go well!

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Sporadica 2 points ago

Unfortunately, the reason it happened was Truman advocated for China to get a security seat. He felt that China was going to be a heavy world player in the future after the tribes united, unfortunately the tribes united under Mao rather than Kai-Chek. China would be voting like France and the UK do along side US opinions.

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alpha_omega 4 points ago

The funny thing is HK may actually be what finally brings down the CCP. It's looking likely that there will be a financial crisis coming out of HK that will drag down the mainland's already teetering banking sector. Once the money is gone and the CCP can't pay its security apparatus and PLA, there will be revolts against the leadership.

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lifeisahologram 1 point ago

Interesting point. I didn't think of that. China seems to be over playing their hand quite a bit.

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TopKeksWithFrens 13 points ago

They are just regular Chinese people now pede. We must cut our losses. If they fight for freedom they may have hope.

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mintscape 8 points ago

The majority of the HK protesters wanted this to happen, their saying to the CCP is "we burn, you burn". There has been signs at the protest asking America to withdraw the special status for HK.

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NvJohansson 4 points ago

Id be ok with a forced foreign exchange program.

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TheRealBarron_Trump 4 points ago

HK is very strategic though. We should've at least offered to make them a territory same as Puerto Rico

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672-EVIL 13 points ago

Yeah, I live in an area culturally enriched by Puerto Riccans and I'll give it a pass. We don't need more minorities that hate on whites. Seems like you still haven't learned the lesson that diversity is bad and comes with a huge price. Go educate yourself.

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NegativeRainbow 3 points ago

Seems like you still haven't learned the lesson that diversity is bad and comes with a huge price.

You misspelled "Dieversity".

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randommemefarmer 5 points ago

Offer Taiwan and HK.

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IAbsolutelyDare 6 points ago

Making Taiwan a territory would be epic.

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CovfefeAndDoughnuts 4 points ago

Trump Buys Taiwan???

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Rage 11 points ago

I'm still upset about the Greenland deal falling through.

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CovfefeAndDoughnuts 3 points ago

We will be buying it in discount in Jan 2021

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rooftoptendie 5 points ago

seems like that would be a real drain on our resources and attention to defend. More trouble than its worth to acutally have it be a territory of ours. Would be far better if it was a territory of one of our allies.

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farangbak 4 points ago

I have a lot of co-workers in HK, curious to how this affects our business model going forward.

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GEOTUStheGREAT 4 points ago

Many of them are immigrating to Taiwan, legally!

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MetalheadPede 4 points ago

It'd be sweet to see Trump grant preferential immigration benefits to any HKer that was photographed waving an American flag!

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Cantshadowbanthemall 4 points ago

this helps them. HK is no longer exempt from Tariffs that apply to china. Either china gives them autonomy or loses billions

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Turtler 3 points ago

The best way we can try to save them is starving the beast. Choke the red dragon economically, politically, strategically. It sucks but a road to freedom must be built one segment at a time.

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days_of_being_mild 2 points ago

Their parents sold future generations out to the CCP in the 80s and 90s. They could've sided with Thatcher in her negotiations to keep HK island. This is what they get.

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amarie 2 points ago

Trump changed the Hong Kong status because China has infiltrated their upper ranks. This actually gets the Chinese out of Hong Kongs business in a way.

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murray_hitchock 2 points ago

As to the last sentence: it would be the grandest utopia the world has ever seen.

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Caferrell 1 point ago

"I wish we could take all the pro democracy civilians and trade them for our communist leftists here."

Amen brother

Let us see if fat XI will allow the Hong Kong Chinese to emigrate to the USA

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BigleaguendTouchee 1 point ago

Well the commonwealth countries like UK Australia will be opening up to take them and this could not have been done without the leadership from the US.

A strong US will see the CCP fall. Both can’t prosper and HK will be free again.

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TrumpsFavorite 1 point ago

Living in Hong Kong and imagining you’re going to stay free is like living below sea level imagining you’ll never flood

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mugatucrazypills 1 point ago

Let's recognize Taiwan as Real China again and see what happens.

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Licensetomeme 1 point ago

I used to live there. I'm livid. I'm a libertarian who doesn't believe in war, but I'll be the first to enlist if the time comes. Too many lines have been crossed to take this sitting down.

And trust me, this isn't some nostalgic romanticization for the nation I left. I've long accepted that it's not the same and hasn't been home for about 2 decades now. But it has come to a point where the rest of the world can't afford to sit pretty. We almost did that all those many years ago, and it must not happen again.

Funny, though, how as (literal textbook) fascism ravages the East, the so-called antifascists would turn their sights to meaningless domestic squabbles.

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thepilotofmoya 9 points ago

Only if they are vetted to exclude any possibility of bringing the memetic plague that is Communism with them. I'd gladly send our socialists and communists to China for free though.

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randommemefarmer 8 points ago

They vote democrat 2:1

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Wandering_Thoughts 2 points ago

No they don't, have you even been to their forums? They are extremely anti leftists because very often the leftists would rather side with China than agree with Trump.

There's tons of photos of the protesters holding trump's photos.

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672-EVIL 2 points ago

Nope. The only immigrants I accept are white. Back to the roots.

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Thracka951 0 points ago

We have to respond, and it can’t by letting the CCP goons continue to profit from the very people they’re getting ready to murder.

The only chance HKers get their freedom back is for the commies to be driven out, and the best way to do that at this point is by ratcheting up economic pressure until they collapse like the USSR.

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Afrikaner_Vrystaat 16 points ago

Sanction the mofos

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kag-2020- 11 points ago

Their loophole has been stomped out. Get wrecked Commies.

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nothingberg 0 points ago

AssWho?

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uvontheterrible 123 points ago

Don't ever underestimate Trump. He's one of the few elected officials who actually follows through.

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bongino_rocks 87 points ago

He basically said that if you think your going to take advantage of Hong Kong as a loophole you can go fuck yourself, and the same goes for the WHO.

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weltbild [S] 42 points ago

Trump didn't make a threat he made a declaration.....

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HankHollywood 19 points ago

See ya troll. Deported.

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NegativeRainbow 14 points ago

Fuck me... How many cans of Troll-b-gon are we going through these past few days... Getting massive lag, cuckflare popping up, and all these morons... Remember to hold the line and shitpost like our lives depend on it (they do).

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 17 points ago

Follows through because he actually fully understands the complexities (and gravity) of every issue he takes on.

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FuckReddit4545 5 points ago

They hate that he actually does something and gets results. They much preferred Obama's "ah make ah ah no ah mistake", and then just taking it up the ass.

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magarefugee 1 point ago

Draining the global swamp as well.

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SurrenderFreeman 72 points ago

Explain for us layman what this means plz?!

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ArdentGrasshopper 105 points ago (edited)

It means 1.2 trillion Chinese dollars get taxed by the US.

Shamelessly copying from the libtards mouth:

At the moment, Hong Kong enjoys special trade relations with the US. It operates as a separate customs territory to mainland China. It also has a free port, meaning no tariffs are charged on the import or export of goods.

Those arrangements have helped Hong Kong become a centre for global trade. But now the US is threatening to treat Hong Kong the same as mainland China. That would mean its goods would be subject to additional tariffs, including those extra charges that were introduced as part of the US-China trade war, although some of those have recently been rolled back.

Hong Kong is one of the world's top trading territories. In 2018 it was ranked with the 7th highest volume of trade with a total value of nearly $1.2tn.

But much of that trade is made up of goods that pass into, or come out of, mainland China.

In 2018, 8% of mainland China's exports to the US and 6% of mainland China's imports from the US, passed through Hong Kong.

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CousinEddie 69 points ago

It also looks like chinese ability to trade on US markets will now fall under federal scrutiny. This has been a LONG time coming.

The gooks have been cooking their books for decades, it's even taught in many business schools that chinese corps on the NYSE and NASDAQ are wildcards and not valued correctly. They have never played by the rules and I hope we can knock them off the US markets completely.

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Rage 17 points ago

I'm suspicious that the Corona virus was done to tank the markets to allow for Chicoms to buy into the market. The trade war killed them, and they needed an influx of cash, so they sell at the record highs, release the virus, tank the markets, and buy in at bargain basement prices, knowing all along that it will recover.

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AnastasiusFoct 4 points ago

Corona happened literally just after the CCP signed a new trade deal with the US, a trade deal that conveniently has a "force Majeure" clause that lets them back out of the deal without penalty if a major natural disaster happens

The timing of the deal signing has an overlap with the possibility of the CCP knowing that they had the WuhanFlu in Wuhan, so there's the possibility they signed in bad faith - which should surprise nobody, contracts in China are worth less that the toilet paper they steal from other countries

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PROCIsAsshoe 13 points ago

My only rule for Chinese equities: caveat emptor. I'm in the industry and have avoided Chinese securities like the plague for >15yrs. Doesn't matter if it was a US, Shanghai, Shenzhen or HK listing. Missed out on plenty of great opportunities but I believe in sticking to one's process for investing and my understanding of the situation there never allowed me to build any confidence that they can be trusted. <30% of their companies have implemented IFRS even though the nation made a promise to the WTO >15yrs. ago to do so. That alone is a massive red flag. And when it comes to their infrastructure build-out over the past two decades? The LT growth assumptions underlying that entire plan are untenable since Trump started reconsidering the nature of our trade relationship. They are much weaker financially than the media will ever report. See: Chinese Banks and debtor SOEs engaging in PBOC-mandated debt-for-equity swaps in the early part of the 2010s. Typically >20% of any EM index is China. For too long they've occupied a special quasi developed/emerging status and it's time for the chickens to come home and roost. I dumped EM altogether, for now, and upped US exposure in light of all this. There are EM nations which are going to become much greater during this manufacturing exodus from China but they dominate the weighting within EM and will make it very choppy during the transition.

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CousinEddie 7 points ago

I worked with asian derivatives....Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japanese markets. Our own counterparts in the Hong Kong end were a shitshow of dishonesty.

The chinese, even in hong kong, are not to be trusted. They're cut from the same cloth.

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PROCIsAsshoe 4 points ago

Fascinating. I'd love to pick your brain on your experience. Strictly equity derivs or what exactly? How long were you on that desk? And yeah I know what you mean. A culture built around the dynastic circles principle combined with very little national religious presence basically can be summed up with an opportunistic 'the ends justify the means' philosophy. Gotta have some sense of morally/ethically right and wrong paired with an understanding of what the west defines as 'good business'. For them there is no such thing as mutually beneficial it's all zero sum winner take all. Appreciate the reply!

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CousinEddie 4 points ago

That was a short gig bc the investment bank was French and they got annihilated by brexit losses. I Lasted Less than a year and I bounced bc the company was being gutted.

But it was purely derivatives which in itself isn’t a problem, the Chinese total disregard for margin and credit limits caused intense battles. A specific instance was HK requiring 100% funding on margin calls within 24 hours. No exceptions.

Bc our HK office strategy didn’t account for this, they pushed hard for my US Team to take a $250k credit line from JPMorgan and give HK full authority to pull the money whenever they needed to meet margin calls.

This has to go through compliance, we have FX regulations, it needs to have board approval, a quarter million dollar credit line with foreign entity control was absolutely ridiculous. Every call with them was about just pushing it through, you don’t REALLY need approvals, when will you set it up? We need it immediately!

They didn’t give a fuck about anything, only doing whatever it takes to win. It’s not wonder they’re a shit tier country. They have zero personal standards and integrity.

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alpha_omega 2 points ago

SocGen in Asia (outside of Japan) is not very well run. Not surprised by your experience. US houses are better and far more ethical. French, Germans and Swiss only pay lip service to compliance anyway.

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Ballind 5 points ago

There a reason everyone in the industry was ahead of the curve on this. We all know the Chinese are dishonest, dirty people with no regard for human life.

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PROCIsAsshoe 2 points ago

Even though we're in an industry which is all about growth growth growth I really never liked the idea of opening up the breastplate for them. We brought them into the fold and they immediately resorted to exploitation. When the trade counterpart your economy depends upon has 7x the GDP/capita you better operate in good faith or the companies benefiting from your labor costs will relocate to nations with more stable/favorable relationships to the patron. My hope, albeit faint, is that this saga might finally bring about a societal evolution in China. All humans have a right to self-determination and to deny it is nothing short of denying humanity. We thrive as a society because we embrace the human spirit as something cultivated through liberty. Only in a free society can you truly be inspired to embrace the spirit of altiora.

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alpha_omega 2 points ago

The French, Germans, Swiss and many in Wall St. are actually worse. Trump's action actually blows them up too.

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KAGallthetime 21 points ago

That’s gonna leave a mark

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CoreyAnder 15 points ago

Thank you for breaking it down for us plebes. China has been spiralling deep downhill ever since Barry left.

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jlmart3 6 points ago

It means 1.2 trillion Chinese dollars get taxed by the US.

That's Hong Kong's trade with the entire world, including Mainland China, which is overwhelmingly their largest trading partner.

Total Hong Kong trade with the US is $66 billion. But the US has a large trade surplus with Hong Kong. Total US imports from Hong Kong were about $17 billion. So it means $17 billion get taxed.

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ArdentGrasshopper 2 points ago

You're right, I didn't read it carefully, it's not the full amount.

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RocketSurgeon22 2 points ago

Taiwan enters the chat

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Brucesky420 1 point ago

So Trump is saying "if you want to claim Hong Kong, then we have to treat it like it's yours"?

So basically, "are you sure you want this? like REALLY REALLY sure? No more special treatment if so"

Correct me if I'm understanding that wrong. Sucks for the people of Hong Kong, but this just makes China have s to show their cards now. Speeds up the inevitable

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SurrenderFreeman 1 point ago

Does this screw over the homg kong people?

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SheepleMaster 11 points ago

I wouldn't say it "screws them over".

China is already doing that far more than this could ever affect them.

It does remove some incentive for China to go so aggressively after Hong Kong and removes their stupid 'secret plan' to control it while pretending to the rest of the world that it's actually independent. CCP is so stupid.

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blurryface 1 point ago

Plus what are they going to do. Get mad we are treating Hong Kong exactly like we treat the mainland?

Isnt that what they asked for?

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ArdentGrasshopper 1 point ago

In the sense that without much benefit, the routing of China-US exports-imports through Hong Kong will decrease and therefore all the ecosystem of work around that will get hit, yes.

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RocketSurgeon22 1 point ago

It hurts everyone. Including US and other countries. Many businesses and banks have invested in Hong Kong entities and operations. The airport to the port play a major role in trade. It will hurt sales for sure within many entities. Expect a dip to follow.

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SadPangolin 3 points ago

Many businesses and banks have invested in Hong Kong entities and operations.

Sucks to be them, but they knew China was asshoe when they went there.

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blurryface 2 points ago

Its wonderful for american businesses who were suffering because of advantages competitors had from buying cheaper imported goods.

I care about them the most. Everyone else. Sucks to suck. Dont invest in places with volatile communist dictatorships at the Helm. They took a risk that paid off till now, hopefully they saved some. Nobody should ever get too comfortable.

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TwoStar 1 point ago

The DOW didn't blink today.

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RocketSurgeon22 1 point ago

It will take a dip but we will rebound. Most have made adjustments to absorb the loss by layoffs and moving business away.

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rooftoptendie 72 points ago

There are many layers to this beatdown.

  1. Fighting for Hong Kong will whip them up like crazy, they LOVE GEOTUS. So he just made Chyna's job suppressing its people harder

  2. In Asian cultures, 'face saving' is a real thing, you HAVE to do it. Daddy spanking them hard in a live press conference and calling them out like that is a humiliation to Xi that if he ignores, cuts his balls off in front of his own people and the rest of Asia.

  3. Chyna has gotten used to avoiding its sanctions by going through Hong Kong to do financial transactions and business. He just shut that loophole down, now Chyna is - economically - FUCKED OVER by this move.

  4. He is calling them out on their bullshit antics in the South China Sea, and this sorely needs to be done. If you look at a map of shipping routes worldwide, you will see immediately the strategic importance of the South China Sea. NO ONE can do proper international business unless it remains neutral and usable without a bunch of punk ass shit going on. China's aggression there is causing business issues with the ENTIRE WORLD, not just us. Calling them out on it brings it to a sharp point that NO ONE LIKES YOU, CHYNA. And that we will FUCK them up if they continue down this path.

  5. He answered NO riots questions and didnt even address it. This is going to PISS OFF SOROS to no end. The whole thing was about captivating the nations and the worlds attention. It didn't work. And if they try to steer things back to riots now, it makes them look like petty idiots. They can of course do the pivot, and they will, but it puts them in a tight spot to do it.

Theres prolly more, but that's what I picked up. This was a rather stunning press conference.

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weltbild [S] 23 points ago

not only petty but even traitorous, I was left speechless by the boldness and the gravity of the decisions made which will have a huge historic impact

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Miserable_company 10 points ago

Thank you. I was trying to figure out the chess of this move. It looked on the surface like just punishing HK for being taken over, but he wouldn't do that without a good reason.

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RocketSurgeon22 9 points ago

Pulling out of WHO was huge. They had proposed WHO have more global governance. Trump walked away but said they would consider matching what China pays. WHO annually. NPR made it seem like it was so odd to walk away from granting WHO authority on declaring martial law in areas of the US over mental health concerns.
Now he has shut it down all together.

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RocketSurgeon22 1 point ago

They don't care. Twitter is really bad. I've never had a Twitter account and so do most of the people I know. Its 70% astroturf made of phoney accounts.

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g0rdy 7 points ago

Quality post, thank you

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IncredibleMrE1 24 points ago

WHO is asshoe

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 22 points ago

China is asshoe, that's WHO

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deplorablePepe 10 points ago

WHO is China's Asshoe?

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thechitowncubs 6 points ago

Pinging Dr. JiXingPingPong

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remember1776 8 points ago

perfect 😂

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thuggishruggishtrump 43 points ago

The globalists are fucked that's what it means, the man isn't bullshitting when he says "transition to greatness".

I admit I'm not religious at all but I swear Trump is one of god's sent angels.

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Southern_Belle 18 points ago

I am.

He is.

And what a great example for the rest of us: don't worry that you aren't perfect. You can still be chosen to do God's work.

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NegativeRainbow 5 points ago

You can still be chosen to do God's work.

Yep... you don't choose... God does. We just gotta go with it and regardless of what people want God creates a "role" and someone will fill it. That is how "Fate" and "Free Will" co-exist (unlike those libtard bumper stickers which might work if you removed pisslam).

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Pedeville 0 points ago

He might just be collecting globalist souls for the Devil

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weltbild [S] 38 points ago

Hong Kong as ultra libertarian paradise got all matters of privileges. Financial and in terms of trade.

They will now be treated as part of mainland china basically hong kong in it's current form is over if and that is a big if, if they CCP doesn't back down.

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SpaceRussian 32 points ago

Basically Hong Kong has become a financial Liability rather then the source of income and bypass of U.S trade restrictions the CCP was likely hoping for.

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Bax101 24 points ago

HKG is the largest airport in the world for trade. This will be an interesting events to unfold in the air cargo world I am in. We are there right now as we speak. It has been dangerous though.

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MAGAmanforever 9 points ago

I've been trying to figure out if it's safe to order anything from a HK warehouse that stocks nicotine vaping equipment. I keep reading horror stories of stuff just sitting in transport hubs with no flights to ship for USPS DHL or it leaves the warehouse marked shipped then the tracking just stalls out entirely. Just another case of sourcing issues being literally 99% of the goods are manufactured in Shenzen and warehoused in HK for sales.

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Bax101 7 points ago

This is true they sit there on the tarmac for days maybe weeks. It's a shit show. Pallets galore lined up full of who knows what. If its vaping equipment or live animals the Chinese don't give a shit and will lie about the weights so the weight and balance of the aircraft gets fucked up.

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Bax101 4 points ago

Atlas is flying for DHL. I work for Western Global Airlines and we fly for UPS and Amazon. We suck ass. Fuckin MD11 is beat tired and we are so stressed out that we can hardly operate properly.

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MAGAmanforever 2 points ago

Well I imagine the shipments are going to slow to a crawl now that HK special trade status was just revoked.

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Bax101 1 point ago

Ya it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

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Rage 2 points ago

My understanding is that this situation is a result of all the commercial flights being grounded. There is just not enough cargo space for all the cargo that needs to move around. It should get better once flights start operating again though.

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rooftoptendie 1 point ago

well, theyre now chyna. geotus says fuck em.

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IncredibleMrE1 13 points ago

CCP is banking on Joe or whichever Dem headlines that ticket beating GEOTUS. If a Dem gets in to the White House, this will all be reversed.

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Piotrsama 4 points ago

Yes, nothing a couple millions $ an some corrupt politicians can't "fix".

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Cheesemaker 34 points ago

When Hong Kong was handed over from UK to China, they had an agreement that they would be completely autonomous from China (and has another 30 or so years to go before that agreement expires). China broke this agreement with their recent vote to basically take it over.

US has given Hong Kong special treatment. Basically special trade status, treated differently than mainland China, financial agreements, etc. In short, we treat them like a completely different, more friendly country. A lot of this special status helps keep Hong Kong flourishing. US revoked all of those trade agreements and other benefits.

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I_Love_45-70_Gov 16 points ago

Nice explanation. I'll add that the agreement was 50 years, thus, Hong Kong's autonomy would have ended in 2047.

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LavonAffair 24 points ago

Unfortunately for Hong Kong citizens, we have to stop giving them special diplomatic benefits because the Chinese government is in control of Hong Kong and taking advantage of us through Hong Kong.

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weltbild [S] 22 points ago

Otherwise you would be in the perverse situation where you reward the CCP for opressing hong kong.

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fapoo 10 points ago

UK just offered 2.9 million HKer's to live/work in the UK.

Original source https://homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2020/05/29/media-factsheet-hong-kong-bnos/

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TOPDAWG22 8 points ago

Yeah I also don't get it.

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flimflamshow 12 points ago

TAIWAN #1

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ArcDoe 8 points ago

CHINA NUMBA POO

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Cantshadowbanthemall 3 points ago

it means China either gives HK back autonomy or lose billions in tariffs

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Chopblock 46 points ago

WHO THOUGHT CHINA’S CENSORSHIP OF COVID19 CORONAVIRUS INFO WAS A HEALTHY APPROACH: “According to the WHO’s Andy Pattison, an “infodemic” of misinformation has accompanied the coronavirus outbreak and big tech giants need to respond by censoring “fake news” content.

Both Facebook and Twitter already announced that they would remove content deemed to be misinformation regarding the virus, a dangerous new lurch to mass censorship given that what is considered “misinformation” is totally subjective and beholden to partisan bias.

Two clear examples of “misinformation” surrounding the coronavirus subsequently turned out to be true...

The first example was claims that China was hiding the true number of coronavirus victims, once labeled a “conspiracy theory” by the media but subsequently proven accurate on Friday when 14,800 new coronavirus cases were reported in a single day.

The second example was suspicions that the virus could have emerged from a bio-safety level 4 research lab in Wuhan.

This contention has been aggressively attacked by the media and big tech giants – Zero Hedge was even banned by Twitter for reporting it – but a new study by scientists at the prestigious South China University of Technology in Guangzhou has confirmed that “the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.”

Chinese dissidents and others have been defamed and in some cases imprisoned by authorities, but the media continues to treat any questioning of the official Chinese Communist Party narrative with disdain.”

https://summit.news/2020/02/17/who-holds-secret-talks-with-tech-giants-to-stop-spread-of-coronavirus-misinformation/

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donaldisbad 1 point ago

Link to the study?

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Chopblock 1 point ago

The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus Botao Xiao, and Lei Xiao. Joint International Research Laboratory of Synthetic Biology and Medicine, School of Biology and Biological Engineering, South China University of Technology, Guangzhou 510006, China

https://chanworld.org/wp-content/uploads/wpforo/default_attachments/1581810860-447056518-Originsof2019-NCoV-XiaoB-Res.pdf

Daily Mail article about the study:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8009669/Did-coronavirus-originate-Chinese-government-laboratory.html

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kb3pxr 32 points ago

Protip: Don't buy Hoover, Oreck, Dirt Devil, Ryobi, Milwaukee, or Homelite anymore. They are owned by TTI which is a Hong Kong Company.

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g0rdy 7 points ago

Thanks gotcha, need to follow through with the good stuff

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kb3pxr 8 points ago

For the vacuums, there are quite a few American brands, but if you need a True Hepa Sealed system, I would have to recommend German machines (actually made in Germany although some of the very low end Miele machines that I wouldn't recommend are made in China).

For the power tools, I'm not sure where the best non China options are

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g0rdy 9 points ago

thanks — for vacs I’m good with non-hepa 👍

Here’s a power tool list: https://allamericanreviews.com/tool-brands/

When possible I find good hand tools on eBay , flea markets or craigslist estate staled ( the old well made stuff )

If it weren’t for video games , I’d go full tilt Amish ;)

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kb3pxr 2 points ago

Most of the American made machines are bagged machines which are better, but some prefer bagless. Many of these at least try to be HEPA filtered as well. I'll start with the more well known brands even if they have a new name and move to the more obscure ones.

Aerus (Was Electrolux) are made in the USA mainly. I would avoid the lite machines (Riccar, assembled in USA poorer quality). The Lux Guardian Platinum is also foreign (Swedish I think), but it is a true sealed system. All other machines are American machines.

Kirby: This is an excessively priced machine sold Door To Door. They are well built, but heavy uprights with classic design. If you are interested in these and are significantly older than 30 or so I'd buy used. If you are young, the benefits from buying through a distributor may be worth it due to the $175 complete rebuilts you can get.

Rainbow: This is another door to door machine. This is the water vacuum, Rexair (the company behind Rainbow) was the only company allowed to make vacuums (by prescription) during WWII due to the water filtration technology. These are well made machines, but the water filtration technology is a bit messy to deal with.

Filter Queen: This is a door to door machine, but they also now have direct online sales. These use cyclonic filtration combined with a paper filter cone. These are not worth the money because they have been having issues, even motor burnouts when machines are less than 10 years old.

Workhorse: This is one of the more obscure brands, this was originally the Cleartrak. This is a more modern bagless design using Dyson type technology. In fact they had to settle with Dyson over some patent issues. These are built to last and to be serviceable. Attachment kit is sold separately. Filters consist of a washable foam pad and a micron filter that needs replaced about every 8 motor hours. Belts also have to be replaced from time to time. Parts are sold direct to customers, not just shops.

MetroVac: This is a somewhat obscure brand. They make specialty vacuums, household vacuums, and blowers. These are bagged canister machines (the bags are kind of small even on the larger machines). Again, parts are sold direct and they even go as far as to sell replacement carbon brushes for the motors.

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g0rdy 1 point ago

Awesome info , quality post !

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probablyacoincidence 2 points ago

Good looks, thanks for posting this.

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rooftoptendie 4 points ago

i cant believe ANY mieles are made in china!!! what?! How disgraceful.

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kb3pxr 2 points ago

Sebo on the other hand has all of their machines made in Germany to my knowledge,

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Sporadica 2 points ago

Hilti makes amazing power tools, not bad prices either. They're from Leichtenstein, and surprisingly they appear to sell directly to consumer. Ryobi is made in Japan last I checked and seem to be pretty good, I'm happy with them. DeWALT is good too, they make a lot (or all?) of their stuff in the USA.

https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/products-made-in-the-usa

What's hard with these companies though is they might "make" them in the USA or wherever, but they import chinese parts and just assemble, they don't make certain parts. When I breakdown a circular saw in my head, I see metal and plastic casings, wiring, and most importantly the motor. All that shit must be able to be made here, why not!

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kb3pxr 2 points ago (edited)

Not anymore. Assembled in USA from Chinese components. The quality has dropped as well.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 6 points ago

Dont buy Milwaukee

well I sure as shit am not buying Craftsman

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TheHolocough 2 points ago

I’m ignorant about craftsman. Please explain

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slrpnls 2 points ago

Sears sold them to Stanley Black and Decker a few years ago. Before that it was lower and lower quality every year. SB&D does do some US manufacturing, though but it depends on what you're buying.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago

Other than being Chinese shit? Read up on the fall of Sears

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Eatinglue 4 points ago

I was sad when I got my blinds that Blinds.com blinds come from China 😏

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levarrishawk 31 points ago

Donard Trump don't trust China. China is Asshoe!

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Sticky 30 points ago

The man is rolling

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IPMang 5 points ago

For real right? He's unloading the clip this week, loving it

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ScarfaceMcDank 30 points ago

This is also a brilliant time to do it. You know the lefties would be REEEing all week long, but their small smooth brains don't have the capacity to REE about more than one thing at a time.

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weltbild [S] 17 points ago

yes it is brilliant and very deceisive I don't think many past US Presidents would have made the right call so soon but it is inevitable

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fapoo 24 points ago

This was a monumental speech.

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g0rdy 17 points ago

Yeah, listened to it on the radio and Trump’s tone was distinctly different

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rooftoptendie 9 points ago

he was mad!

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realPhantomFuck 5 points ago

Daddy is fired up

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weltbild [S] 14 points ago

the gravity of it will only become obvious in the month and years to come it was a paradigm shift

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SCUFFI 16 points ago

China broke the Sino-British Joint Declaration. PM Boris should reclaim British sovereignty over Hong Kong. HKSAR to remain untouched until 2047.

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weltbild [S] 11 points ago

can't reclaim shit from a petulant nuclear power with delusions of grandeur and a chip on their shoulder for hundred years of perceived past slights

declaring the declaration broken from the brits would however go a long way I think

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SCUFFI 10 points ago

What does it say to other British protectorates and their would-be oppressors if England allows treaties to go uninforced? The least Downing Street could do would be to acknowledge it.

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weltbild [S] 7 points ago

yep, the least I fully agree

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AmericaFirstMAGA88 16 points ago

MINNE-REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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IncredibleMrE1 14 points ago

Finally, a social distancing order I can support.

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FL2PC72LE 13 points ago

And no, President Trump will not be taking any Gotcha questions from the cucked press. I was so happy when he just turned and walked out! Screw them.

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Chopblock 11 points ago

ASSHOE BRAND CHINA: ““Two narrative tracks that we’re seeing advanced by China is malign information trying to finger the U.S. as the origin of the coronavirus, and then the second narrative track is what we call ‘Brand China,’ which is the [Chinese government’s] effort to try and turn the crisis into a news story about the supremacy of the Chinese Communist Party as opposed to democratic systems that have allegedly mishandled the crisis,” Ms. Gabrielle told The Times. “So [it’s] basically a ‘China good, everyone else bad’ narrative.”

“We’ve seen China mobilize its global messaging apparatus, and this includes state media, Chinese diplomats writing articles in local or overseas media to basically push out the overall narrative that depicts China as the world’s model and global leader under the Chinese Communist Party,” she said. “This has caused us to have to react with a full-spectrum activation of our own public messaging and diplomatic engagement, and really just having to push access to fact-based information by our own communicators so they’re able to counter these false narratives with local audiences.”

The Global Engagement Center is spearheading the effort, with a goal of reminding audiences that authoritarian regimes clamp down on the free flow of truthful information and use government-controlled organs to spread lies.

It’s anything but easy. The risk is always there that U.S.-government information operations can backfire and draw accusations of using propaganda. There is also concern that drawing attention to false narratives might serve to promote those lies.

“Once a false narrative is out there, it’s almost impossible to undo, and repeating that false narrative when trying to correct it reinforces it,” said Ms. Gabrielle. “So it makes it very tricky.”

The Global Engagement Center operates mainly behind the scenes at the State Department, which does not publicize the number of people working inside the center. It grew in recent years from the now-dissolved Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications...

“We’ve tracked a surge in their disinformation and propaganda operations, and they’re picking up and promoting what were originally false claims pushed by the Kremlin,” she said. “They are mutually reinforcing each other in efforts to flood the information space with false narratives. So it’s basically a convergence of Russian, Chinese and Iranian disinformation operations.”

The Russians have also ramped up their efforts, with RT promoting false claims by military commanders from Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps about the origins of the coronavirus based on Russia’s earlier disinformation campaign.

“So Russia pushes out a false narrative, the IRGC then parrots that narrative, then RT tweets it out as though it came from the IRGC chief in the first place,” Ms. Gabrielle said. “Another example we’ve seen is the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian, who used Twitter to highlight a false narrative from a source that’s already been identified as a supporter of Russia’s disinformation ecosystem.”

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/15/coronavirus-lies-pushed-china-blame-virus-us-biowe/

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FL2PC72LE 5 points ago

Meanwhile, Twitter "fact-checks" the US President, but not the Chinese. They are an enemy apparatus. I wouldn't mind seeing it shut down completely.

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Tonightm01 11 points ago

So China is finally making its move against HK? Thought they would during the plandemic.

Not much the UK can do about it tbh. China is a different beast from when it handed it over.

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weltbild [S] 20 points ago

They already made their move under the guise of covid. Trump just took the logical consequences.

It is not an understatement to say Hong Kong in it's current form is over.

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DocOne 17 points ago

HK was fucked the second the UK put a time limit on itself. It was always gonna happen.

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weltbild [S] 14 points ago

HK was fucked the second the UK agreed to make it limited to 100 years because they keep their word

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Canadian-Bacon 5 points ago

But muh white colonialism.

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Caferrell 9 points ago

I feel terrible for the citizens of Hong Kong. They are freedom loving, hard-working decent people who will now be tortured mentally and physically by the Chicoms.

I hope that the freedom loving Hong Kong Chinese will be able to immigrate to the USA

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SamQuentin1 8 points ago

US quit the WHO? Pete Townsend is going to upset...

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nothingberg 8 points ago

Trump needs to start a WHO Organization in the US

Will Hunt Obama

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randommemefarmer 7 points ago

Quit the WTO and the UN next.

Time to impose will on others. Stop allowing other countries to dictate what happens here. They dont have a right to a say.

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weltbild [S] 4 points ago

UN got security councel veto leaving it is a waste

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randommemefarmer 6 points ago

who cares what the UN thinks. Let them vote however they want, they have no power.

The longer we are in there, the more likely the left is to cede power to it, with the goal of world government. Leave and gtfo.

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SheepleMaster 2 points ago

Unfortunately he's right with veto power US can check the UN better than if it leaves. Otherwise UN will rally every fucking country in the world to be under China dictatorship or something retarded like that.

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SadPangolin 2 points ago

Unfortunately he's right with veto power US can check the UN better than if it leaves.

And what, exactly, can the UN do without US troops for its muscle?

Rape third-world kids?

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StarGirl 7 points ago

China was a mistake.

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Fredo_Cuomo 7 points ago

CNN: RACE WAR!

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AtariArtist 7 points ago

I guess they'll have to rename themselves - Almost the World Health Organization.

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weltbild [S] 7 points ago

World irrelevant nations health organs

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WhoFlu 7 points ago

As someone who has been speaking out against the W.H.O. for months, this is REALLY exciting.

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nothingberg 7 points ago

OOh OOh. Do the UN Next, Jefe. Do the UN Next!

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debi_birx_scarf 6 points ago

W.H.O. BTFO

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coffee_grdr 6 points ago

while i don't really care if the US pulls out of the WHO, i think it would be better to force change in that organization. if china can do it, certainly the trump could too!

imagine a real doctor (american) leading the organization that isn't a corrupt, left wing nut and truly wants to do good, unlike these third-world guys who currently run the organization!

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weltbild [S] 6 points ago

they tried it was in the announcement, the WHO stonewalled all demands

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JoePCool14 5 points ago

The thing is: we don't need a WORLD Health Organization. Countries can just have their own health departments and coordinate with one another if necessary. And if the United States wants to lead the world in terms of health, we could always work on the CDC.

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raybiker73 3 points ago

How about a USHO, and let the rest of the world pay for their own damn ticket.

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12323Josh12323 6 points ago

We need Bruce Lee's relative Chin to wipe out all 1.2 billion of the red communists.

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fkn_lost_my_password 5 points ago

Wait, I'm confused. Why is revoking HK's special status with the US good? What were these things? How is that bad for China?

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weltbild [S] 18 points ago

Because the chicoms grabbed it under the guise of covid, if you keep HK status you give the CCP a reward for fucking over hong kong.

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IAbsolutelyDare 0 points ago

Problem is it also punishes Hong Kong for being fucked over. Unless this is a gambit to pressure China to renegotiate I'm a bit meh on the idea

(Fully on board with leaving the WHO though! I wish there was some way we could declare war on them.)

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weltbild [S] 8 points ago

Hong Kong will have to eat the consequences for the decisions made in beijing the US can only react.

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IAbsolutelyDare 4 points ago

I see UK is widening visas for Hong Kong refugees. If Taiwan and others do the same this could mean a huge brain drain, thus rendering HK worthless to China. There's potential there, I think...

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weltbild [S] 5 points ago

yes it is the best scenario really

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MakeAmericaGreat9 4 points ago

The rest of the world isn't our problem. If China is using Hong Kong as it's way to get around the tarrifs, then Hong Kong is on its own. I feel bad for the people of Hong Kong, but we got 40 fucking million people on unemployment... America first.

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DocOne 6 points ago

HK had sweetheart deals as far as trade, financial, etc. Now that CHYNA has basically taken over they can't benefit by redirecting HK cash/trade to themselves.

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FL2PC72LE 5 points ago

China intended to use Hong Kong as a loophole through which to deal with the world. Kind of like the divorced guy who puts his assets in his mother's name so he can avoid paying child support.

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Red_Princess 5 points ago

Personally I don't like what happened today. China gets what they wanted, which is control of Hong Kong. Unfortunately, the only alternative I can think of would be if the US sent warships in to protect Hong Kong, like we do with Taiwan when China threatens them. Obviously that was a move Trump considered too far to take. Now, by treating Hong Kong as part of China, we effectively don't view them as a sovereign state but as a satellite of China.

I hate the media especially much today. If they didn't have TDS, then Trump sending war ships to protect HK might have been a viable action. Because we're so divided in the US, I mean, can you imagine how the media would react to a move like that? People would be hysterical thinking Trump is starting a war. Leftists with TDS have effectively forced our hand as a global power to cede HK to China.

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SheepleMaster 2 points ago

Any military action would have to be through NATO led by the UK, or HK joining Taiwan, or something. HK had their chance to do something radical like secede to NATO but now it's too late.

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freespeech4all 5 points ago

I have waited for this for so long, but next is WTO and UN. ESPECIALLY THE FUCKIN UN

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weltbild [S] 2 points ago

UN is good for the security council, the Veto power makes it a different thing

the WTO however mhhh

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Jcholl9 5 points ago

Thank you Sherlock Pepe....

Hopefully we dump the UN next!

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weltbild [S] 4 points ago

UN got the security council with veto rights it is the best deal of them all

WTO well that is a clusterfuck and might need some rework

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CovfefeAndDoughnuts 5 points ago

Alpha.Friccen.Male

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DemsHaveNoHomeHere 5 points ago

LISTEN MOTHERFUCKERS....

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SimplePede 4 points ago

Seeing as I can't do an internet search and find a basic primer on what exactly the Hong Kong Special Status is/entails does anyone have a decent explanation of what it means to a layman that doesn't know shit from shit about fancy college words?

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weltbild [S] 3 points ago

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/864321056/what-to-know-about-hong-kongs-special-status-and-what-happens-if-the-u-s-removes?t=1590784201011

Under the United States-Hong Kong Policy Act of 1992, the U.S. affords Hong Kong special status as a part of China and agreements governing a range of interactions including commerce between the U.S. and Hong Kong that predated the handover would remain in effect.

From the U.S. perspective, perhaps the biggest way in which Hong Kong is treated as separate from China has been in trade and economics. The U.S. recognizes Hong Kong as a unique customs territory, which means it has been largely spared the upheaval of the U.S.-China trade war. Hong Kong is one of the United States' biggest export markets and it has a zero tariff rate on U.S. imports.

Hong Kong is also a key global financial center, a status it earned through decades of an open economy and rule of law. It's been a critical conduit for investment flows into and out of China

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SimplePede 6 points ago

Thanks hombrepede

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weltbild [S] 5 points ago

don't blame the UK for keeping their word, blame the CCP for being evil

in an ideal world the people of Hong Kong would have had a referendum to become either indepedent, part of the UK or of china

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weltbild [S] 1 point ago

yep that is true predicting the future with the power of hate

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SheepleMaster 2 points ago

Wut

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SheepleMaster 1 point ago

K... but please explain...

How and why.

lol

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SoldierofKek 4 points ago

I think we should nuke Beijing.. just park some boomer boats of the costs, Target their military facilities, wipe it out fire icbms at Beijing...end these motherfuckers once and for all.

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HongKongFluey 4 points ago

So I am still waiting to hear that the trade deal is off. If not, then it damn well should be.

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Passerby 3 points ago

Good for Trump! Both of these decisions make me so happy and PROUD.

Let the left REEEEE. They have NO integrity!

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goldbarr 3 points ago

Tim Cook loves his sweatshops though.

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weltbild [S] 4 points ago

Tim apple?

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weltallic 3 points ago

https://i.imgur.com/FriTQOX.png

Godammit, now this place has contracted reddit's "thumbnail doesn't show" desktop browser bug.

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AndyCuomoIsAMobster 3 points ago

At this point, Trump should go hard with the "liberate the Chinese people from their oppressive, and lying, government". It'd get more support from those on the fence, and it'd put focus on just how corrupt and barbaric CCP is.

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Logos_Rising 3 points ago

HistoryMade

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FuckReddit4545 3 points ago

Daily reminder to boycott China pedes! Trump can only do so much, it's up to all of us as Americans to buy stuff made here, and encourage companies to come back home.

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NocturnalPatrol 3 points ago

I have a feeling Taiwan is now in the crosshairs

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Dimedog 3 points ago

Can someone explain to me why this is significant?

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weltbild [S] 4 points ago

It will change Hong Kong forever and realigns the US relationship with China.

It declares that China has broken their treaty with the UK as well as clarifies that for the US there will be no difference between mainland china and hong kong in terms of trade and financial services.

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Sumarongi 2 points ago

Hong Kong is the economic interface that the closed Chinese economic system has with the rest of the world in terms of capital flows and currency exchange. It was at one time of the worlds biggest exporters, but after the handover, it basically transformed itself into a massive money laundering operation for the CCP. The reason China has been taking control of Hong Kong, decades early, in a heavy handed way in the last couple of years, is because they are desperately trying to get control of those capital flows, which they now depend on more for their survival because of the tariffs and de-coupling.

This action by the USA puts pressure on China’s system which is massively leveraged. It’s also allows Hong Kong to legally declare independence, if they want, from China as it signals they are in violation of the treaty with the U.K.

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SNRNXS 1 point ago

It’s also allows Hong Kong to legally declare independence, if they want, from China as it signals they are in violation of the treaty with the U.K.

I have never heard that this was allowed. Not that they'd be able to keep independence. Now they definitely wouldn't be able to.

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Sumarongi 1 point ago (edited)

By the US removing the special status of Hong Kong, it signals that the Chinese government has broken its treaty with the UK, which the USA recognized. By not recognizing the status, it frees Hong Hong to declare independence because the agreement has already been broken by China. Not that they will. They will probably he crushed... but

Another way to look at it, is that China is basically now invading a U.K. territory, in the eyes of the USA, and within the international framework, because they have broken the agreement

Great Britain could justifiably move in with their troops to defend Honk Kong, with US backing, to defend their territory. I doubt there is the political will to do that though

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BanditKing 1 point ago

The problem is that HK is dependent on water from China. If the UK does take over, HK would have a massive potable water problem to fix asap.

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SNRNXS 2 points ago

I hope Hong Kong continues to view America as a land of freedom and continues their support because it feels like we are abandoning them, and some of them must feel the same way no doubt.

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weltbild [S] 2 points ago

the US got little control over them it is in the end official chinese territory

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NonyaDB 2 points ago

Well, looks like a shitload of English-speaking Hong Kong-based companies are about to jump ship for the U.K or the USA.

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Walls_Work 2 points ago

Two big wins for two GIANT balls. Two scoops! Loot? Troops!

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Farmerbob1 2 points ago

The UK is considering offering citizenship to 3 million HK citizens.

Honestly, I think we should do something similar. Even going as far as bringing them to the US.

The citizens of Hong Kong are probably to the left of most conservatives, but I strongly doubt many of them would even think about voting for a party that supports Socialism.

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weltbild [S] 2 points ago

in general brokering something out would be great

leaving the chicoms with a husk...

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CJBarnacle 2 points ago

Don't care. We have bigger problems on our home soil right now.

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Rhuairhi 2 points ago

UK has just ordered that up to 3 million HKers with British Overseas National passports are eligible for repatriation. With brexit, we'll take them all! Great people,!

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not_a_shill 2 points ago

Yup. That image and title TOTALLY worth a sticky. 100%. Best content.

No story. No Contest. This is sticky OF THE YEAR! So glad it was forced to the top of the page so I could see it.

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MrTrumpsWildRide 2 points ago

I think this may be why the globalists are so butthurt at the moment.

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SNRNXS 2 points ago

You know what would really make people lose their shit? Recognize the ROC is the legitimate China and vote to give them back their UN seat. Or at least as another country. We recognize both the ROK and DPRK so why not both the ROC and PRC?

But I'd imagine that'd cause so much trouble with trade, economies, etc.

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lifeisahologram 2 points ago

I hope before President Trump leaves office in 2025, he is able to establish a new world order, where there is no world order, just countries, with their own interests.

No more WHO, no more UN, no more NATO, no nuffin. Just bilateral agreements between consenting nations.

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americaeffyeah 2 points ago

trump should offer refugee status and let them vote. Pretty sure they'd vote Trump. Pretty sure the left would freak. But you'd make a point!

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weltbild [S] 2 points ago

yes and it would weaken china

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SNRNXS 2 points ago

they would call him a hypocrite and say "if you can let these immigrants in why not the ones from mexico? racist!"

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weltbild [S] 1 point ago

because they come legally

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Flipbarryfromreddit 2 points ago

LET’S GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! Fuck the CHINESE OWNED World Health Organization propaganda machine!!!!!!

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Rugar22 1 point ago

Let's go liberate Hong Kong and save them now.

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salvecitizen 1 point ago

Remember how strong and scary the Soviet Union was, until they weren't?

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longspur 0 points ago

This sounds weird, from what I understand: HK protesters last year: "We don't want One Country/Two systems!"; Beijing imposed a national security law on HK; HK: "they are ending the 2-systems! We want it back!"; US: "No special treatment for HK. It's just one system one country now" HK:" thank you US! that's what we want!"

HKer now stuck with worse economy/job prospective, which started the protest in the first place last year.

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weltbild [S] 5 points ago

China ended it, the US only acknowledges the fact on the ground.

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longspur -2 points ago

China wants to end it. US confirmed it. HK protesters (on reddit at least) seem to likes US's confirmation. Everyone is happy now, right?

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weltbild [S] 4 points ago

nobody is happy now but china forced it

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flybyninja -3 points ago

This was so much nothing. Everyone already knew we were leaving the WHO, or at least massively defunding. HK is now going to be in the hands of mainland China. Not even additional sanctions or tarriffs. I don't like the possibility of going to war, but this is such a backpedal.

Edit: We are also going to be revoking visas for some Chinese students. Thats like 1/100th of the F1s. While student debt and unemployment is at all time highs. FFS just rip the bandaid and gut the program.

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longspur 1 point ago

exactly! China slapped HK on the face. US today slapped on the other cheek. HKer: awesome!, 揽炒 (whatever that means).

Either way, it's in china and it's not our fight. I don't really care.

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weltbild [S] 3 points ago

you can't safe protestors in hong kong from a nuclear power on their own territory you can only make them pay a price for it which trump did