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GenericInsult 129 points ago

How is this going to get enforced? How will they know the employee refused to go back to work?

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duvalpede 208 points ago

The employer reports that they made an offer and it was rejected. This is actually routine, at least in the state of Florida, for unemployment benefits. You have to be continually looking, 10 resumes submitted per week, and consistent updates.

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DicksOutForHarambe 88 points ago

In california the requirement to look during the plandemic has been waved

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Rage 83 points ago

Remember when Obama extended the unemployment insurance payments to basically infinite duration?

There was a reason there were so many people on the dole during Obama. He wanted them there and made it possible.

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moissien11 60 points ago

Seriously, I had friends that were on unemployment for like 3 years.

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iminurbas3 53 points ago (edited)

The ones I knew of bitched and moaned everytime their handouts were threatened... There was work; they just didn't want to do it. And the rest of us continued to work to support their deadbeat asses.

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moissien11 29 points ago

Yup, I even took a pay-cut to save coworkers jobs for the entire Obama presidency essentially, I finally got my 15% back in 2013.

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kyblugrass 27 points ago

To be fair, alot of work back then paid out less then the umployment benefits. This was all by design, especially after what happened with healthcare, to make hiring American workers unattractive as compared to guest workers, or illegal aliens. And with the business taxes back then, yeah, we were all screwed.

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catfoodsoup 8 points ago

EXACTLY. We mustn't let the same crap happen again.

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DJTrump 3 points ago

Maybe it's different in different states etc, but where I am unemployment pays out such a tiny amount of $ it really is a joke. Perhaps you could survive with a cheap car that you lived out of, ate nothing but noodles, and kept the driving to a absolute minimum as to not burn gas. And I'm in a liberal state.

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HCQaddict 3 points ago

Well, it's still nowhere near paid...maybe it is an economic problem now.

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SaintMagnus 12 points ago

I hope you're not friends with them anymore, or if you are, that they've turned and become hard working Americans instead of leeches.

But even then they might not be able to pay off the "debt" they owe us

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jomten 8 points ago

Welfare is worse than drugs. It gets you hooked, makes it so you cant function without it, coming off it is painful. IF you are on it too long you've fucked up your life. Who the fuck will hire a thirty year old with less than 5 years work experience?

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HCQaddict 5 points ago

The government.

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xopi 5 points ago

Have you tried to hire anyone recently? Until all this covid19 shit started it was an employees market 100%. You can't go into a main street without seeing a dozen work wanted signs. Places were literally hiring anyone with a pulse.

Honestly if you found one employee who came in every day on time and did just 50% of what you asked of them, you got extremely lucky.

Friend of mine owns a popular restaurant and he didn't even bother learning new hires names. Anyone who even bothered to show up to the interview got the job. So many people got hired and didn't even bother to show up to the first day of work, they had found a better offer elsewhere and didn't even bother to say anything.

So in this economy, yes a 30 year old with zero experience can easily find a job.

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armedlegions 7 points ago

where?? what a shame... illegals??

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moissien11 12 points ago

In the midwest, and not illegals, just too good for whatever jobs were available, and there were plenty. I was doing hiring the whole time, only one asked me to help them find a job.

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Gyrfalcon 2 points ago

At that time in Michigan there were no jobs to be found. I was submitting to any job I could find. First one I got a call back on was in Ohio, 3 hour round trip, I took it. Other than the drive, it was a great job. Good company, great people.

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SnowflakeJuice 4 points ago

Don't know how they pulled it off. Most states have a maximum payout amount.

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pmyourcovfefes 4 points ago

In California they kept providing extensions. I think it started at 6 months and at one point I remember it being 18 months. But same thing, I knew of a couple people who just stayed on it until it was taken away.

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moissien11 2 points ago

During the recession it kept getting extended.

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iWillStand 3 points ago

Me too. For whatever reason I’ve never been able to fall thru the cracks and get any free $$. But hell would I like a period of time to focus 100% on my current projects.

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ADAM_SCHITT 13 points ago

And he reversed welfare reform from the 90s

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FreeBased1 12 points ago

Back to the Original topic; how many people are going to claim their employer is 'racist' or is a big meanie and is trying to fire them without cause?

As a small business owner, I am totally, completely on board with this idea. Thankfully, we didn't close down at all and didn't let any employees 'go'. No furloughs, nothing. So I won't have to deal with any of this re-hiring B.S.

But we all know there will be PLENTY of people abusing this, preferring to stay home and stay on unemployment, while claiming their employer is screwing them over.

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Harambe 8 points ago

Hopefully they didnt hire trash to begin with. If they did, that's gonna be apparent now.

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CaptainWinston 6 points ago

We are in the same boat my friend.

Let all the production staff stay away for a few weeks, world didn't end they are all back and doing great.

We kept the technical staff running non stop, bills paid crisis adverted, no government funds spent here.

Going to be interesting for all the slackers when unemployment rate is 25% and the fountain of free Pelosi $s is dry.

Oh my man bun

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HCQaddict 2 points ago

Already dry.

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Libertas_Vel_Mors 4 points ago

They can try, but it means navigating the state labor board to do it (which is exactly where the unemployment office will tell them to go, but will still cut 'em off until said labor board confirms it.)

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HCQaddict 5 points ago

Obama was actively killing us. His end all was death panels in obamacare.

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thegeebeebee 3 points ago

Only for Democrat shitholes. Americans didn't get that benefit.

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HillarysStrapOn 21 points ago

Everything law but going outside and making a living has been waived in CA

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 17 points ago

Wack. Still gotta do 3 in Washington. I've been applying but no one calls me back. I can't apply to work at the grocery store either though or I'll have to sell my house...so I can only apply to t things close to what I was making. And guess what, no one is hiring in construction management when they can't even go to their offices!!!!

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Toughsky_Shitsky 25 points ago

You sound selfish for wanting to work and provide for yourself and your family.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 8 points ago

Yeah I don't really want to be unemployed either. It's been a month I'm so over it. But after how my previous employer very poorly handled laying me off...I could never go back. So I'm at a loss!

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Harambe 1 point ago

Go somewhere else! Easy

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SnowflakeJuice 5 points ago

Not so easy right now, in many areas most businesses are still closed. Employers are only hireing so they can get PPP funds, as soon as the time is up, they will be laying off again

... continue reading thread?
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Sting 3 points ago

Yeah? Well you’re the selfish bastard who breathes, likes, hundreds of times per day capitalist scum! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

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Liamd 6 points ago

Same state, I was on outside sales in the restaurant industry so...yeah...

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SnowflakeJuice 4 points ago

Construction is one of the few jobs sill allowed to work in NJ. that being said, probably not a lot of management jobs available right now. Construction management was one of the highest in demand positions in NY, NJ before the lockdowns

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blumpkinblake 4 points ago

You can say you didn't apply to 3 jobs in the past week and still get unemployment. They waived it. I haven't applied in a few weeks because I'm already in talks with several companies and in final round interviews. I marked no that I haven't applied to 3 companies and the unemployment keeps rolling in

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Proudly_Deplorable 4 points ago

It's crazy the way they aren't letting construction go on in Washington, but that goes for all the other businesses as well. I believe you all flattened the stupid curve quite some time ago. My sympathy for your situation and hope Inslee opens up your state soon.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 3 points ago

Inslee said yesterday he can't even commit to June 1st cuz he just don't know...

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HCQaddict 1 point ago

I don't know if we can commit to Inslee.

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HCQaddict 3 points ago

I asked around too, i was turned down due to lack of work. Indicates government is our problem.

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DannibusX 2 points ago

Inslee can eat a dick.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 4 points ago

This is going to be a problem in all Democrat states. They are going to allow employees to refuse to come back to work because of WuFlu and they will still be eligible for unemployment. They already announced such here in Oregon.

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DicksOutForHarambe 5 points ago

yup fear is enough of a reason to not take back your job... sad

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 4 points ago

Enabled by the Democrats. Many people will use any excuse to keep collecting their unemployment plus the $600 a week from the CARES act, because it's more than they would make working.

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HCQaddict 2 points ago

Might be a good enough reason to take er jobs.

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SordidPontification 2 points ago

Then they turn around wanting a ton of immigrant work visas to undermine wages. Guaranteed.

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FuckU/Spez 4 points ago

I got caught up in the Clusterfuckinfornia layoffs after the state removed the 60 day notice requirement for employers. I've looked and applied weekly. The last couple of weeks there has basically been no new jobs or things are too far away. So kinda glad for this but at the same time I'm making peanuts on unemployment compared to what I was making working. Stem degree.

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DicksOutForHarambe 4 points ago

Im a software engineer, my company took advantage of the state waiving the 60 day requirement. We had a layoff in january and people were given very sizable severances, the company decided to focus on some non tech bullshit side business, but kept a hand full of engineers on staff for a sort of hail mary that was supposed to go thru end of 2020. Then covid hit and they decided to cut the rest of us and not extend the same severance our peers got and used the covid rule roll back as justification.

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getkek 4 points ago

your name gets an upvote

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FuckU/Spez 4 points ago

I got 1.5 weeks of severance pay early April... how is that for Malarkey! PCB Designer. We had 3 layoffs, I got the 2nd one.

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duvalpede 4 points ago

HONK HONK

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xBigCoffinHunter 4 points ago

Same here but only until June something. Obviously I’m looking but if I list that on there it wants a bunch of details and I just can’t be fucked with it so I’m not reporting any until they remove that waiver.

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cciv 4 points ago

Is CA going to cover the $600/week that the federal government is offering? Doubt it.

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Harambe 4 points ago

CA is taking that money and giving it to illegals. Letting the states handle this was an interesting move. Still waiting on my check. I'm not interested in being a casualty in this political war.

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Proudly_Deplorable 3 points ago

Another reason not to bail out states like California.

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NvJohansson 2 points ago

And another reason for the feds to cut off all California aid. Learn to swim.

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Branith 2 points ago

Same in KY.

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Harambe 1 point ago

Yes, and the plandemic is now over

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Proudly_Deplorable 12 points ago

Thank God they're actually going to do something about it. Getting reports from businesses across the country that they're having trouble getting employees back to work because of the ridiculously generous unemployment benefits. Sorry, moochers, but the American taxpayer doesn't owe you $15/hour while you watch Netflix and eat yourself into oblivion.

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Fredo_Cuomo 11 points ago

I know this because of the Seinfeld episode where George tries to list Jerry's apartment as a place he had an interview at

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ThisTrainHasNoBrakes 12 points ago

Vandalay Industries!

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ThisTrainHasNoBrakes 8 points ago

To add to this, this is different by state but this is typically paid in part by the employer. So they have reason to push back.

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Tallsie 7 points ago

Yea, but if your intent is to get your employees back because they were good quality and are already trained, what do you do when they tell you “Hey boss man, I’m making more on unemployment than I was working, can you wait a few more weeks before you call me back? I am really enjoying this vacation”

What should the employer do? Report that person to the unemployment office? That’s a great way to ensure your employe is just super pleased about going back to work... you are pitting employers against employees.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 9 points ago

The employer should be frank with the individual employee. "Here's the deal. I have to report accurate information to the state unemployment office, as I'm on the hook to pay a certain share of any unemployment benefits. I'm offering you a chance to come back to work. Are you ready to come back?"

If the answer is no- "If you're worried about getting sick and aren't ready to come back just yet, please look into the Family Medical Leave Act and see if any of that applies to your situation. Otherwise, please know I am required by law to inform the state unemployment office you were offered a chance to come back to work and you may be rejected for further benefits once they find that out."

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DDUCHESS 6 points ago

Right now in New Mexico there are people going to work and still collecting, never lost their job just applied for unemployment and got it

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SordidPontification 2 points ago

Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

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DocOne 4 points ago

Same in AZ. If you're on unemployment, fine, but you have to be looking (maybe not during this shit) and if you turn down a job or don't return to the one you had before the shutdown then you lose the bennies. As it should be.

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Do_u_ev3n_lift 1 point ago

It must be routine in all states. My family owns a staffing agency that employs a few hundred people across NH, VT, ME, MA and they work the same way for us. We need to report to the state unemployment office that we made an offer and it was declined. We do this because we pay a significant portion of their unemployment check each week and it behooves us to get them off unemployment and back to work. Our staff prioritizes recruiting from our unemployment bench before widening the search. If you are a company that lays people off routinely, your unemployment modifier goes up. lets say a normal company pays 50% of their salary and the rest is from the shared state pool. Everyone starts with a mod rate of 1, meaning they pay the typical 50% rate (or whatever it is, i'm guessing on the 50%), but if the mod goes up to 1.3 you pay 50% x 130% so you are penalized. It works the same way workers comp insurance does. People don't realize how much and how many different ways people are taxed.

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JohnBarron 29 points ago

Knoxville here. I have a patient who runs a nice restaurant here in town. 36 out of his some 38 employees said they would not return to work untill the gov unemployment funding ran out. Despite him opening. I thought wow, what a bunch of shits

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MYHM 23 points ago

Yeah, I would be informing all my previous employees that they no longer have jobs to look forward to if that is going to be their attitudes.

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Assault-Covfefe 22 points ago

with 30 million unemployed, shouldn't be too hard to find 36 replacement employees. It's not ideal, but I'd tell those shitheels to hit the bricks.

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VetforTrump 9 points ago

They don't care about his business so out they go.

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duvalpede 13 points ago

Then they'd all be unemployed and that tap is gonna dry up ASAP.

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Tallsie 11 points ago

The average person understands that the tap will dry up, they just want what they feel they are due because of what ever self justified reasoning. This mentality is a tumor on the organism that is America, and ultimately the reason why you cannot have a welfare system as we currently do. People are smarter than economists give them credit for, and they are going to cheat a system that has a profit motive.

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magabigleague2 6 points ago

Exactly, why would anyone work a shitty ass job that pays garbage when they can just suck the teat for the same shit amount of money.

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HankHollywood 7 points ago

Or more in the current scenario.

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Warskullx 3 points ago

People who try to stay on it are idiots. The tap runs dry for everyone at roughly the same time. People will all be running out of unemployment within a month of each other and now you are fighting 36 million other applications.

For easy money now they are fucking themselves in the future.

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MuadDon 9 points ago

The problem is that current unemployment per this pandemic is paying them more than their restaurant jobs, so there is no incentive to return. This is screwing the restaurants and making their federal loans useless because they can't meet the 75%-goes-to-employees threshold when employees are making more on unemployment.

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magabigleague2 8 points ago

Also its a shit tier job so they have even less incentive to go back to it. Some people who were too timid to quit on their own to find a better job might not even come back, since this created an opportunity to move on. If I were in their situation I would have taken this time off with pay to learn to code.

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HungNavySeal300Kills 4 points ago

Very few people working in restaurants aren't both alcoholic and drug addicts.

Also they blow money like you won't believe. My roommate would spend $100 a day on Ubereats alone.

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flashersenpai 2 points ago

It doesn't make the loan useless. If the loan is for payroll and the employee doesn't return, repay that amount back into the loan. Or, hire a replacement and pay them instead.

The money doesn't have to go to the exact same person. And if you offer the job and they refuse you should be reporting that to your state department of labor because refusing work can affect benefit eligibility.

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SoCalDar 7 points ago

My husband filed/received UI benefits. He works at a chrome wheel place. Most of the employees stayed away, but my guy went to work every day to help the boss keep the business up and running without receiving a paycheck. He felt guilty for recieiving money and not earning it. Thankfully, they received their PPP and regular schedules started last week. Although the extra money was nice, he's not one to take advantage.

Two employees did not show up when the business 'reopened', so they were let go (they were advised to attend a previous mandatory meeting laying out the procedures for reopening). If I understand correctly, they didn't show up, which means they quit, so no benefits.

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magabigleague2 6 points ago

Its the type of industry where you can replace employees easily and the employees are just there for a small paycheck so I shrug.

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Vir4030 5 points ago

I assume this is because they're being paid more or almost as much to not work?

This is a taste of what UBI would be like.

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JohnBarron 4 points ago

Correct. But he's offering them employment back. Which in the long run will pay more obviously then fed unemployment that dries up in a month. TN unemployment is regularly only $275 per week. Cant fix stupid.

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logicallyevil 3 points ago

That's where I swoop in and make extra cash this summer

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Rage 20 points ago

If someone files for unemployment, the company has to pay for that, so they are given paperwork that the former employee filed. So, it will be mostly self enforced, as most businesses aren't going to be willing to pay out unemployment insurance payments for former employees if they don't have to. They'll just report that the employee refused to return to work and the unemployment claim will be denied.

Hell, even if the unemployment office is corrupted and they approve the claim without the employer's approval, there is no way they can make them pay for it.

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MYHM 6 points ago

In NC, employer's unemployment accounts are not being charged for benefits paid to employees with reduced hours or layoff due to coronavirus. Also, businesses do not pay out unemployment claims. Businesses are charged a premium, because it's technically insurance. If you have claims charged against your account, there is a chance your premiums paid to the state will go up for future premiums. Here we seem to have an issue where the initial claim is verified with the employer, but due to overwhelming demand on the system, no follow-ups are being made at this time.

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Proudly_Deplorable 6 points ago

I would report that employee ASAP if he or she refused to come back to work. I'd also let that individual know there would never be a job for them at my business in the future.

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Vir4030 6 points ago

That is how it would have to happen. Not sure about all states, but in mine, the employer is given the opportunity to confirm the unemployment reasons at the beginning of unemployment. Then you have a set amount of benefits you can use until they stop giving it to you. There's no follow-up with employers. Employers also don't pay any more or less if you are on unemployment for two weeks or two months. So they would have to be vindictively calling the unemployment office to report them, like you describe that you would do, and then someone with employment security would have to care. Or, the employee would have to volunteer the information when making their weekly claims. One or the other, but I don't think anyone is doing investigations right now. I don't think they can even keep up with all of the cases.

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magabigleague2 1 point ago

Yes this should happen. But its also a shit tier job so they'd probably just be like okay whatever.

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nowrongwrong 12 points ago

I'm sure written notice would suffice. Company sends letter to employee instructing them to resume their job or they it will be assumed they have quit and thus be removed from the rolls.

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Tallsie 1 point ago

And now you get to start retraining a new employee... So not only do you have to start your business all over from scratch, you also have a person who was living off unemployment pissed off at you and likely to come have an altercation for drying up “their money”.

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nowrongwrong 3 points ago

If you're concerned about recovering training investment, you make them sign a contract.

If you're concerned about disgruntled employees, hire armed security.

Neither of those concerns are unique to the Paycheck Protection Program; they are red herrings.

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FormerGraveheart 2 points ago

Being a pussy about it never helped anybody.

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Two_Scoops__ 11 points ago

Unemployment benefits are paid by the company who laid you off. Each week that you certify, your company then tells the state that yes, that week you are eligible for unemployment and then the state disperses the money. If the company says okay now come back to work and then you continue to try to collect, the company will tell the state that no, you are no longer eligible to receive benefits. That's my assumption.

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MYHM 5 points ago

I think that is typically the case, however a lot of the follow-ups are being buried under the demand of initial claims. In NC, they are asking employer's to certify whether the individual was laid-off or had hours reduced due to covid-19 and that's that. They are not asking for work search history or anything. Just file weekly saying if you made any money or not, and then cash your fat govco check.

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Proudly_Deplorable 1 point ago

Hadn't thought of that part of it, but many government bureaucrats are sitting at home, too. Of course, they seem to get full pay and benefits so why do they care?

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MindsetRoulette 7 points ago

the way unemployment works in many cases is, the employer other pays part of the unemployment. So if they can show an offer was made and rejected, they are off the hook for their unemployment "obligation".

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Rollsablunt 6 points ago

employer will have the ability to explain it to the gov. Standard shit.

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StunLikeAnAntelope 4 points ago

This has always been the policy of most state unemployment compensation programs anyways. For decades. Great headline to make it look like Sec Mnuchin is evil tho. Fuck you FOX.

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DicksOutForHarambe 3 points ago

re purpose the contact tracers

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VetforTrump 3 points ago

We will ask them ba k by a certain date. If they no show, they get fired. We file the termination with the state and bam. Unemployment stops.

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Brucesky420 2 points ago

My employer got an SBA and said they're required to pay us. If we don't accept, they'd probably have to report it - especially since they oversee our unemployment eligibility

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Cartman_Eric 2 points ago

this is what we do for our company....we tell them we have work now and they refused

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GingerMinky 2 points ago

Employers tell on you

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Vir4030 2 points ago

In many cases, they won't if the employee doesn't tell them. If they find out later, they can prosecute you for unemployment fraud, but I think that rarely happens. I don't know that they regularly contact employers to follow-up. Especially now, when there are so many claims, I think there is very little follow-up being done. I'm not sure anyone even cares, to be honest. Pay the people and they stay happy.

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ProudConservativeNY 2 points ago

They want the businesses to snitch

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HockeyMom4Trump 20 points ago

Great. People should not be paid if they are offered their jobs back and refuse.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 4 points ago

Great. My employer really fucked me over by telling me I might be laid off, and then I wouldn't be just reduced hours, and then 5 days later over the phone 2 weeks into quarantine even though I could have continued working for home. They also treated me unfairly the past couple years. So I would never go back to work for them. If they pulled something like this I'd be fucked. There's hardly anyone hiring for jobs I need in my field to support my bills and mortgage. So that sounds like extortion to me.

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ColbyP 5 points ago

I'm sorry you feel that way, but if you're offered your job back and you refuse, you don't qualify for unemployment anymore. That's just how it works.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 2 points ago

I understand that and would accept it.

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Tallsie 4 points ago

Find a new job or line of work, no reason to work a miserable life. Maybe use this as a chance to try something different.

You do realize living off this unemployment from the government is destroying our own future right? Not only is every American going to have to pay this debt off, but our sons and daughters will also be paying this off. We will enjoy watching China make colony’s on the moon while we beg for their lunch scraps.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 2 points ago

You do realize that some states like mine (WA) are under extreme economic shutdown and it's not that feasible to find any good paying new career in any field willing to train me for at least a few months? My state unemployment was paid into by me and my previous employer. A new career as a grocery clerk isn't gonna work for me when it'll mean selling my house...

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Tallsie 2 points ago

Keep your eyes opened for work places looking for new employees then. As other places try to reopen and their own employees refuse to return, they will have to retrain.

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VetforTrump 1 point ago

Sympathy as that sucks sounds like a great opportunity to find. Better trade.

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HockeyMom4Trump 1 point ago

If they have been treating you unfairly for the past couple of years why were you still there?

It was a great job market with ample opportunity. Perhaps you should be disappointed in yourself for your lack of motivation in seeking new employment if you were dissatisfied with your unfair treatment.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 6 points ago

Perhaps that was what I was planning to do before the world fucking ended and I was laid off out of the blue?

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HockeyMom4Trump 0 points ago

You said past couple of years...maybe you should have refused to tolerate it for that long. Have higher standards for yourself in the future. If you work somewhere where you aren't treated well, get out. Don't be complacent for a couple years. You deserve better.

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ProudConservativeNY -9 points ago

I agree with that, it’s the snitching that bothers me

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flashersenpai 9 points ago

At least in my state, unemployment is paid by business taxes. So it's their money being used.

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ColbyP 4 points ago

It's not snitching, it's stopping someone from stealing from you. Unemployment is paid by the company. If they offer you your job back and you refuse, they're absolutely not going to keep sending you money, nor should they.

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ProudConservativeNY 1 point ago

Haha, all you triggered fucks downvoting me because I said snitching bothers me. You bunch of hypocrites, bitching about people snitching on social distancing but get your nuts twisted when I say I don’t like snitching to the government. Just as hypocritical as the Leftist cucks 🖕🏼

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Harambe 0 points ago

Following the law bothers you?

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ProudConservativeNY 1 point ago

Yeah, it does when the laws are violate my constitutional rights. I don’t blindly follow every edict by the corrupt politicians. I dont approve of people milking unemployment, I didn’t say that I disagree with businesses informing if an employee refuses to come back to work, I said it bothers me.

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

It is not snitching. It is the law. If a business has PPP they have to report if an employee refuses to come back to not face problems on the PPP loan. Same as always when a person quits or is fired really. Not a change at all.

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Tonightm01 2 points ago

The employer will tell them. Not a hard thing to do tbh.

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XCorneliusX 2 points ago

Employers on PPP have to report these to their State employment office and IRS because they are self terminating or quitting. Non PPP will also because they otherwise have to pay employment for someone who said naw.

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ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points ago

The President will know which states to watch for voter fraud if they don't even have a system in place preventing unemployment fraud.

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Ex-libtard 1 point ago

What do you mean? The employer will report.

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Tallsie -1 points ago

Lol, no they won’t. Both parties in this instance are holding a gun to the others head. If one person is layed off, the business controls the outcome. If every employee was layed off, the business no longer exists.

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Ricky_CIA 57 points ago

Fucking good. Talking with a neighbor who was bragging about making more now than she did while at work. I casually suggested there's no way that's going to continue and she lost her shit.

People don't realize what we're headed towards, they can't think more than 5 fucking minutes in the future.

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TheInteriorDesigner 18 points ago

Same, talking with a client who told me she was getting close to 1200 on unemployment! I think the 'extra money' part ends in 8 weeks? Not sure specifics.

Regardless she was joking that it would bankroll her master bathroom renovation.

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Proudly_Deplorable 5 points ago

I think the new $3 trillion dollar Democrat House bill would extend all this spending insanity through the end of the year. Then, if Republicans say no (and they'd better!!), they can campaign on "Trump and Republicans want Grandma to starve if she doesn't die of Covid first." I am so over this whole farce of a wanna-be plague.

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ParticleCannon 4 points ago

I am so over this whole farce

Especially the Grandma thing. How long ago was it they were blaming her for everything wrong with the world? 5 minutes?

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Gyrfalcon 1 point ago

If grandma was in a nursing home, she's already dead thanks to dem governors putting sick patients back in nursing homes.

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ParticleCannon 1 point ago

How terrible! Please send me her name and address so I can change her voter registration send flowers!

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XCorneliusX 2 points ago

Currently ends July 31st for the extra 600/week.

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Romey-Rome 1 point ago

My 17 year old daughter that lives with me, just graduated HS, and has been working PT and working on her AA at CC last 2 years is getting $800/wk. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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KnobGoblin 38 points ago

Good something had to be done about this. I’ve got a degree and work a dangerous trade with multiple high level certifications that I paid 60k to get and my server buddies are making more than I am And I’m still working.

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HockeyMom4Trump 23 points ago

I saw a story on our local news last night about how high schoolers filed for unemployment and are upset because they aren't eligible. Some students received a check before they found out and they are now upset the government is asking for the money back. One high schooler was getting over $2000 and another around $1700. MN government has a tendency to always screw up.

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mnguy12000 7 points ago

MN resident. Friends son, worked at bowling alley, working 32 hours a week. Is making about 800 a week with the extra 600. He's 19. But I bet if a HS was working at a gym or something like that, then technically they could file.

I know a couple of people who worked part time at the Y who are making almost twice as much with the 600. Of course they are full in on keeping things closed.

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago

Yes, this is part of the problem now. Everyone making more on unemployment is like, "Hey! We can't go back to work! We need to be safe and stay shut down! If it saves just one life..."

That extra $600 can't end soon enough. These people need to get back to work and America needs to open up!

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oopsicrappedmypants 6 points ago

Honestly I hate that I have to be on unemployment. I’ve been in between jobs in the past and have always been able to figure it out instead of taking a hand out. But right now I have no choice. I live in nyc and work in the service industry. I do feel terrible that I am making a little bit more than I usually would but I am also thinking about the future.

Will our jobs even be there when the enhanced unemployment runs out? Lots of bars/restaurants have already had to close their doors for good. This leaves lots of people without jobs while the people who have not stopped working during the pandemic still have a job.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago

You don't need to feel bad. This thread is about people being offered their old jobs back as businesses reopen and losing their unemployment if they don't return to work. Completely not the same situation you are in. If you were offered your job back, you would probably choose to take it. Unfortunately you don't have that option right now.

If congress is getting paid for hiding out at home, teachers are getting paid for cutting out the school year early (some schools here are ending two weeks earlier than scheduled) and not putting in many hours with distance learning, and government employees are still getting paid while ice arenas, libraries, and facilities are closed, I really think you should not feel one bit guilty about being on unemployment right now. You did not CHOOSE not to work. You were forced out. So take your unemployment with a clear conscience, as you have paid into it over the years. The problem comes into play if your job opens back up and you refuse to work there again because you prefer staying home and collecting unemployment. There is a difference. So let go of any guilt you have right now and enjoy your time off while you can.

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

I am with you. I hate being on unemployment as I have always found a way to get a new job if needed. This was not like that, so I finally said, ok. I can take it this time, I have paid a ton in taxes so I guess I get some back.

I want to go back to work. I enjoy a pride in a good day of what I did.

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Wyndthough 24 points ago

Makes sense to me.

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duvalpede 18 points ago

GOOD.

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IcculusBased9 16 points ago

Oh man but the fucking REEEE will be heard on the moons of Neptune kek

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Brookes 15 points ago

One of my husband's employees told him today she doesn't want to come back until August. It isn't health related at all, she is banking on her unemployment and making more from that than going back to work.

He made her sign a statement today saying she was offered to return Tuesday May 26 for full time same pay. Also noting in the statement that legally he has to let unemployment department know she has refused. She had a complete meltdown. "you can't do that!!", he told her he wasn't about to break the law for her and jeopardize his CARES loan for her. So she quit on the spot saying "now I'll get my unemployment", he told her nope not how that works. He also had his office manager as a witness. She's toast.

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Warskullx 3 points ago

The states are going to be looking to aggressively get people off unemployment too, the programs are going bankrupt. They'll completely run out of money at this rate.

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PaigeAshley 14 points ago

Good news. 👍

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Assault-Covfefe 13 points ago

Hard to believe it has to be stated by our Secretary of the Treasury. That's just how it should work.

Employer: Hey man, we're going back to business. See you Monday. Employee: That's a no for me dog, I'm gonna milk this free money. I'll hit you back up when it runs dry. Employer: Don't bother. I'll take that as your resignation. Employee: Shocked Picachu face.

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AmericianWoman 13 points ago (edited)

Unemployment is paying more than people were making at their jobs. My small business owner neighbor who owns a smoothie shop wanted to take advantage of the loans to keep employees on the payroll. None of them wanted in. They preferred to get unemployment checks because it is more then they were earning. Something has to be adjusted soon! About 30 years ago I found myself on unemployment. If I wanted a check I had to go to the office, prove I was looking, list all my interviews and where I sent resumes as well as attend job hunting seminars. There were controls in place. Same thing with welfare. You had to show up, wait in line and explain why you need the help. Now that EBT cards are filled without question, snap, food stamps and unemployment will give you 30k for nothing. Parents are getting SSDI by saying their kids are ADHD - even if they are fit for work.
On top of that - Dems want to give $ to illegals who just send their money to wherever they came from. People are playing the system. Stop the fraud! ...still waiting for my IRS check - but hell! Free money for illegals first. Makes me puke

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ThisTrainHasNoBrakes 2 points ago

Tell your neighbor he can deny their claim...at least in every reasonable state.

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altaG12 10 points ago

Perfect

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Idontcare 10 points ago

Part time socialists, not on my dime mother fuckers! I have heard quite a few times people claim 'i'm making more on welfare then working' and I then ask them what have they done to improve themselves during this lockdown? Most say they smoked weed and sat on asses, well, I guess we need ditch diggers too in this next automation revolution!

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iminurbas3 9 points ago

I know people who are making three times as much being unemployed and I wondered what reason they'd have to go back to work. This is wonderful!

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ColbyP 6 points ago

Unemployment has literally always worked this way. You're required to apply for jobs, and if one offers you a position and you reject it, they report that and it makes you ineligible for benefits anymore.

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Harambe 2 points ago

Unemployment has always given more money than the job youre unemployed from? Blatantly false

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

Agreed. The 600 a week is not a normal thing and thankfully will only last long enough for all States to open up.

Normal times, not often is it more. My State is rather low for a weekly compared to even 10/hour rates and is said to pay 50% of ones pay up to 378/week, if i recall right.

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flashersenpai 2 points ago

sounds about right compared to my area

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

For the duration of the lockdown, Virginia negated the look for employment part. I am only laid off, but have been applying to other work in my field.

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uvontheterrible 9 points ago

Thank god for this tiny bit of sanity in an otherwise insane world.

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FluManChu 4 points ago

Indeed.

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eatyourshitpeanuts 9 points ago

Good. Man the fuck up, ladies and gentlemen. This virus will be a nothingburger to the vast majority of the workforce. China-Virus-Vacation's over. Time to MAGA.

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cciv 8 points ago

Wait? You mean this has to be said? WTF?

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speedychef 8 points ago

Good. Nobody should purposely sit on their ass and get tax money for doing it.

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Simple_Doot 5 points ago

Yeah this is happening. I work for a company, service industry. I've got to be there because I manage the place. Now that we are looking at moving into the next phase of reopening I need at least some staff to come back. Most are making more than they did because they get an extra $600 per unemployment pay period. Just that $600/period is more than they would collect on normal unemployment alone. Most of them are collecting $900-1000/ week now so no one wants to come back. I dont blame them!

So I'm supposed to have X-amount of full-time equivalency to use the PPP money without being penalized? How can I achieve that without being fraudulent? I love my staff, weve spent years building an incredible team. Hiring a new team of 50+ people would be devastating and impractical - overhead for training is a thing.

I'm torn. Im glad my people are getting needed income during shutdown, I love these people and want the best for them. They've made my livelihood possible. I've made their very decent livelihood possible too. A win-win. Now they are making a killing doing nothing. Again, I dont blame them. Government stepping in and providing an incentive to not work on this scale will have exponentially negative outcomes as time goes on!

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ColbyP 12 points ago

I mean the simple and correct answer is you do your job. You tell them work is back open and any that don't show up are reported and lose both unemployment and their jobs. Doesn't matter how much you like someone, if they screw you and your business over by not showing up for work, you fire their ass. It's business, it's not personal. I'd fire my own damn mother if she no call skipped work on me.

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Simple_Doot 2 points ago

Definitely. Just in a tight spot and am going to have to have a lot of very blunt, uncomfortable conversations.

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Slapstick86 5 points ago

I think you've got it all figured out. Nothing to be torn about, the employees got a nice bump during a hard time, but now that things are getting back to normal they need to get back to work. Think about how many businesses would suffer if they didn't make their employees return. Think about the employment prospects for your old employees once the benefits have been used up. It's no good to let them milk the system when your business needs them.

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Simple_Doot 2 points ago

Yeah. I'm developing a few dozen custom convos to try to get people back. The "HEROS" isnt making things easier. At first I said if anyone is not comfortable working let me know and we'll figure it out, no repercussions. I was naive and that was almost two months ago so now I'm going to hear a lot of "I'm just not comfortable and you promised you wouldnt make me return if I was uncomfortable." Oof. I'll be eating crow until I'm in my grave.

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Proudly_Deplorable 5 points ago

I blame them because we, the American taxpayers, are picking up the tab for their lazy asses. They shouldn't get paid more for staying home than they should for working. The CARES Act had a lot of overspending and this extra $600/week is part of it.

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Harambe 3 points ago

The 600/week was never supposed to be combined with regular unemployment. Fucking scummy commies

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Tallsie 4 points ago

Your story is the exact story I expect to see across the country. People need their people, not just people. Our employees know their work and retaining new ones is a massive pain in the ass. In fact it would often be impossible to retrain the entire business. The government has both sides pointing a gun at each others head.

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flashersenpai 2 points ago

You should talk to a CPA if you haven't already. They may be able to give you guidance on the PPP situation. Chris Whalen CPA on youtube has a series on coronavirus programs as well if you want a quick idea, but its obviously not legal advice.

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Simple_Doot 1 point ago

Actually the owner is going to go the route, I've learned. No idea what's incoming but I hope its something spectacular.

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XCorneliusX 2 points ago

Cover yourself. If they refuse to come back due to a temporary bump to sit at home, document that and hire new. Knowing these people it can be hard, but you need to protect your business.

As you know your people, explain it to them and maybe they will see the long term benefit. The "free money" is a trap. A trap to get people dependent on fed again, like under Obama.

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wallstreetclinton 5 points ago

All of a sudden, young faggy Democrats will be against the lockdown from the beginning.

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flashersenpai 5 points ago

If you are a business using the Paycheck Protection Plan, make sure you report job offers and rejections of the offers to the department of labor. You are required to spend PPP money in specific ways and not having a record of offer rejections can affect your forgiveness amounts.

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mortyball 5 points ago

This is fitting and proper. It will also be interesting to see how many people start napping on the job in an attempt to get back on unemployment.

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YOLOSwag_McFartnut 5 points ago

Makes sense, that's voluntary termination.

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Arriveria 5 points ago

These freeloaders think they can live off unemployment benefits forever

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moron_response_team 5 points ago

This is good... the harder part is the PUA claims where people didn't even need to list an employer. I think they will snag them too eventually.

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flashersenpai 5 points ago

PUA applications ask for proof of income for the previous tax year and do have a section for previous employers where I live.

It will vary state to state because it's done through local department of labor offices.

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moron_response_team 1 point ago

Well, as you have probably seen, Michigan is really stupid. No proof of income required for the State min +FPUC $600 via PUA. Doesnt even ask. Says you CAN provide it for a larger amount. But as an example, I know a girl that worked at a conf center that was closed because of covid... she worked 3 days expecting an eventual 10-99 and was released, center closed when state closed everything down. Here, she qualifies for $760 a week and has whats called a "seeking work waiver". Its pretty insane.

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moron_response_team 1 point ago

IF you even had a START DATE in MI and didn't get to start? No previous work at all? $760/wk.

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jiminycricket1940 4 points ago

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Reeeeeee 3 points ago

Did someone say my name?

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k-doe1 4 points ago

he just wants to kill my grandpa /S

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ParticleCannon 1 point ago

I've heard that a lot lately. Ironic, coming from the #okboomer crowd.

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Basedkekistani2020 4 points ago

Fuck yes, fuck you NEETS

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Genericwhitemale 4 points ago

b-b-b-b-but i'm scared for my life!!!

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Deaditewater 2 points ago

cowers while blazed on a beach

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forcedaspiration 4 points ago

FIRE AND FURY. -Mnuchin

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Donald17 [S] 2 points ago

I added this flair for you :)

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forcedaspiration 1 point ago

Sweet! Mnuchin rocks.

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45IsNumberOne 3 points ago

Isn't this how it always worked?

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GrandInquisitor 1 point ago

Yes, at least from my current experience of unemployment certification. You have to either accept the previous job reactivation, or any new job offer.

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nameofauser 3 points ago

I am done playing nice with these pieces of human filth who think they own us. Fuck off your whole system can go straight to HELL!!!!

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Ex-libtard 3 points ago

Makes sense.

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nameofauser 3 points ago (edited)

Unelected giant corporate asswipes run America, put your diapers on your face everyone.

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Slothboy 3 points ago

That's how unemployment benefits function. You don't get them if you just choose not to work.

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Bidenmuhtyme 3 points ago

Get back to work, bums!

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Fredo_Cuomo 3 points ago

GOOD!

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PianoPede 3 points ago

In NYC, if you make less than $504 a week, you can still get unemployment

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VetforTrump 3 points ago

Perfect,

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Bramble 3 points ago

You think the 4 blue haired liberals working at the state unemployment office can track millions of requests for unemployment and every job offer given?

Yea that's not happening.

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flashersenpai 1 point ago

Good news is that employers should be tracking the job offers/rejections because they are liable on PPP loans and unemployment costs.

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GingerMinky 2 points ago

GOOD

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Justhalftheshaft 2 points ago

Yes this is how unemployment has always worked.

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Mona1950 2 points ago

DUH

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DeadMenSmellToenails 2 points ago

This is nothing new. One of the questions on an unemployment claim form is “have you refused any work?”

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MichaelDenny 2 points ago

Thank God fuck communism

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_Ghost_Void_ 2 points ago

Back to work lazy communist trash! I haven't had a day off in two weeks!

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DDUCHESS 2 points ago

Except that its not going to be enforced, there are people still making good money and collecting like 1100 a week of unemployment. One I know in particular is like 50 and her husband is still working, kids all out of the house. Its like 60k take home a year just because no one in the govt is capable of checking peoples paperwork...

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XCorneliusX 2 points ago

Report their asses. They are literally leeching taxes we pay. The system is there in case of a loss of employment. In my case, I was laid off with no pay but when I get called back, I am going in. I had never taken a dime in any federal or State program until this. It was not my choice to be laid off, but my Governor who closed my State.

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DDUCHESS 1 point ago

If no one could even check to see if they were really unemployed who the fuck is going to follow up on the report?

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

If it is a taxable job, it will show in IRS, so should flag a State.

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flashersenpai 1 point ago

I'm not aware of unemployment being contingent on marital status so i'm not sure what that has to do with anything. If you lost your job you can file a claim. Maybe there's other factors that would make it fraudulent, but that itself isn't enough.

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DDUCHESS 1 point ago

No she is still working and her husband is still working. The point of mentioning her husband is that she is taking home enough to support a family of like 5 and the household has another source of income even if she was laid off. Why does anyone need 60k a year of government handouts period. Thats an insane amount, I'm an engineer and dont take that much home

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spec17 2 points ago

GOOD!

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the_sky_is_falling 2 points ago

Beautiful!

I remember when I got made redundant and had to get on the dole.

Seriously, had I not been brought up with a work ethic and not part of an ethnic group that would shame me and my family for being on welfare, I would have stayed on welfare, as it was paying me more to sit on my arse and do nothing compared to working 8 hours a day and barely having any time to myself.

There is a total abuse of the system, which screws the middle class by taxation to give it to freeloaders who dont have any ethical concerns about abusing welfare.

I want the safety net. Welfare is good, when it's not abused The problem isn't welfare. It's the abuse of welfare that is the issue

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OneBreathe 2 points ago

THATS RACIST REEEEEEEE

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bubadmt 2 points ago

Well, I don't really see how this is a problem or an outrage. People want to get back to work, so why wouldn't you take the offer to go get your source of income back? Even in pre-COVID times, this was the case, so why is it a source of outrage now?

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Bender4Prez 7 points ago

I’ve had a few staff say they weren’t comfortable coming back. Easy job posting.

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bubadmt 6 points ago

Absolutely. Maybe they'll be more comfortable being homeless and panhandling.

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ForHumans 5 points ago

Had one of our drivers tell us not to call him until July 31st. Won't be necessary.

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

Convenient that July 31 is when the 600/week ends as of right now.

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Tonightm01 2 points ago

Ready to back to work three weeks ago.

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humped2424 2 points ago

What I would do for a job right now ...

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fernwehEeks 2 points ago

I work in healthcare & have many coworkers who were furloughed. I expected them to be stressed and wanting to work (as I would’ve been had I been furloughed) but instead they’re cheering that they’re being paid more to sit at home than if they’d show up to work as nurses. One was called back from furlough & tried to refuse but was told she would have to either return to work or resign as her unemployment benefits wouldn’t continue. I’m shocked at people like this.

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uncle_nurgle 2 points ago

But muh green new deal...

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SpecialOfficerDoofy 2 points ago

Woohoo I love this man, take that commie freeloaders!

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ohpleaseuhhelpame 2 points ago

I have friends that say I hope I don't get called back to work yet..I'm making more staying home..this is a once in a lifetime deal that I will never see again..

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Shreddit 1 point ago

In line with this policy, House Dimocrats' paychecks should be suspended until they reconvene and work with Trump to knock out the Kung Flu.

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Shayhawk 1 point ago

Trump is teaching them how to win.

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beta-detector 1 point ago

Checkmate AOC and her "don't get back to work" socialist plan.

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Madmonk 1 point ago

Good, as that's how it's always been. They should lose their benefits if they refuse to work.

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Hexagon 1 point ago

unless they lie

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GeauxTrump20 1 point ago

Get those goddamn lazy liberals off the couch and back to fucking work lazy worthless piece of shit Democrats

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GrandInquisitor 1 point ago

It's true though generally. I'm using unemployment for the first time ever, and it was an entire ordeal just to get it processed during Covid. Every week I have to certify that I am ready and willing to work and didn't turn down any jobs in the previous week. Also, I have to log every week at least 3 job search activities on different days. People can fake these, but they can be asked to show proof such as job applications. You have to keep the records for a year.

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VaPnut 1 point ago

That's the way it should be. Don't forget, The Business or Company pays for unemployment, not the government. (except under this crisis)

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sagebrushfire 1 point ago

Can’t wait for the illustrious ACLU to jump into this one and tie it up for ten years with litigation meanwhile, tax dollars will still be flooding to “This suits me just fine because I’m lazy and would rather sit at home” fucks.

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MAGA_MEXICAN_CHILI 1 point ago

The add on should be, "Any state that supports their workforce in staying home when a return to work offer was given. Shall not get any additional federal funding for their unemployment"

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Thingthing22 1 point ago

But but but I thought anyone refusing to finback first Covid reasons would be okay?

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nameofauser 1 point ago

You call this shit work ?? We have been getting screwed 1000 ways to Sunday for GOD KNOWS HOW LONG. Now that we have all the technology that would set us free we are instead paying for our own destruction at the hands of these FACISTS!!!

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Tallsie 3 points ago

We don’t have a way to automate everyone’s job yet. Anyone who tells you that we do is full of shit. Raise your kids smarter and with better prospects than you, and your genetics will make it out of the low rungs of life. You might be permanently stuck working as a janitor, but your Will lives on through your children.

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nameofauser 2 points ago

Ah this is true, but yet we are funding the Technocrats by working for them and by paying them for the goods. Of course we are all not them, but it just so happens a lot of it is.

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nameofauser 1 point ago

The problem also is the screening they all do, and as we know all our base are belong to <them> ? 911 Patriot act comes to mind.

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cccpneveragain 1 point ago

Good! Go back to work if you want to get paid. If they are afraid and want to quit that's fine but they can take care of themselves at that point. I hear there are socialist countries out there they could move to if they want.

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Warren_Puffitt 1 point ago

Seems like that has always been the rule.

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Rollsablunt 9 points ago

we have every right to terminate employees that feel they no longer have to come into work.

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ebenezer_caesar 7 points ago

God damnit you’re a sniveling pussy. The last thing we need are malingers ruining another fucking social program and having it become like our “disability” system that is overwhelmed with abuse and fraud.