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wrongaddress 65 points ago +67 / -2

The lockdown was ONLY to stop the overrun of the medical system until more was known about this virus.

We have data now. NYC was the hardest hit in the US and it is manageable in the health care system. Let's get back to work.

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Epic_Caramel 36 points ago +36 / -0

Give a liberal an inch and they'll move the goal post ten miles. Now that doctors across the country are furloughed due to elective surgeries being postponed to make room for the covid overrun that never came, the hospital ship went unused, and nurses across the country are dancing around on TikTok music videos, the new goal is to have zero deaths period for 18 months until Bill Gates makes a miracle vaccine. Until then it's too dangerous to reopen.

p.s this is why you should never, ever compromise on the 2nd amendment. If one gun grab policy is justified then all are justified, to them.

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side_o_beef 7 points ago +8 / -1

bill gates want to chip us

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sanstheskeleton 20 points ago +20 / -0

Brix was talking about extending social distancing into the summer

How about we don't

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Oskar 4 points ago +6 / -2

Social distancing is fine. I don't like anyone in my personal space anyway. But let's get schools open open and back to work.

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thewordwolf 6 points ago +7 / -1

Social distancing is retarded. It's Orwellian newspeak. It's invented madness. And it's pointless.

Herd immunity.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +3 / -2

It's not entirely pointless.

The data suggest that the virus can't survive outside respiratory aerosols, and keeping distance from other people is effective. Herd immunity is no panacea in this case, because it's unlikely you're going to reach the 60-70% infection rate required to attain it.

You know what else social distancing and good hygiene prevents? Seasonal influenza and related deaths.

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Cacciali_Via 1 point ago +2 / -1

Im inclined to believe that it works, but can you please cite the studies that show the effectiveness of social distancing.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +3 / -2

Since you asked nicely, unlike u/thewordwolf whose close-mindedness apparently precludes him from thinking rationally (and the paradoxical dog-piling that happens on TD for some bizarre reason--not quite sure why the downvotes for encouraging caution and hygiene, but I'll assume it's my last sentence that tweaked a few people and I should've left it out), I'll share what I've found.

Bear in mind that the quality of data isn't very good, and this is an area that needs further research.

Effectiveness of workplace social distancing measures in reducing influenza transmission (2018 meta-study)

Fifteen studies, representing 12 modeling and three epidemiological, met the eligibility criteria. [...] The modeling studies estimated that workplace social distancing measures alone produced a median reduction of 23% in the cumulative influenza attack rate in the general population. It also delayed and reduced the peak influenza attack rate.

With the caveat:

However, the overall risk of bias in the epidemiological studies was serious.

Which, for another respiratory virus, doesn't seem entirely outlandish. The bias risks are concerning.

Apparently the idea of social distancing isn't particularly novel, as is indicated by this 2006 study (also on influenza; also a simulation), with a few interesting metrics and conclusions that alone make it worth reading.

However, a study more specifically targeting COVID-19 (via simulation, not epidemiology) suggests social distancing is unlikely to work, with the suggestion that the "most effective single intervention was found to be increasing case isolation to 100% of children and 90% of adults." Ignoring the impracticality of this (non-peer reviewed) study, we know in retrospect that isolation simply doesn't work for a disease where 20-60% of people may be asymptomatic spreaders and you have no idea who is sick.

Similarly, this article also concludes that social distancing of healthcare workers at home is likely ineffective and coincides with an increased risk of depression and anxiety.

From what I can gather, the reason the quality of data for social distancing seems so limited is because it's difficult to monitor or direct compliance, as noted by this study, that delves into some of the social issues that could be contributing factors. Since something like hygiene is largely a matter of one's upbringing and inclinations, it's more plausible that persons who wash their hands aggressively will keep their distance from others during a pandemic, but because the only way to get that sort of information is through a survey, you can never be too certain that the answers are honest.

Interestingly, there is a policy review scheduled for release in May that examines existing evidence and finds limited support for workplace closures in limiting spread of influenza, which suggests that other measures (such as keeping distance from other people who may be asymptomatic) could be effective but for which the data is currently limited.

Anecdotally, I think it's mostly supported by observational data, which is to suggest that areas with higher population densities are more likely to see a rapid spread of SARS-CoV-2 (think NYC), whereas predominantly rural areas will see more limited spread (see some of the Western states).

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thewordwolf -1 points ago +1 / -2

lol ok.

Muh prestigious studies.

Like from... oh, I dunno, the University of Washington? The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? Imperial College London?

GTFO here.

Educate yourself, Educated-yet-Imbecile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXiy51A-gP8

... continue reading thread?
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thewordwolf 0 points ago +1 / -1

I'mma go with BULLSHIT.

But... but... but... muh statistics, bro!

Twain said it best.

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Ironyde 6 points ago +6 / -0

Gyms too, please.

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arebee 14 points ago +14 / -0

spent 6 hours cleaning covid "infectious" rooms tonight. 1 of the patients came back negative. still blew a fucktonne of time cleaning the room. We've had 1 confirmed patient in the whole hospital since the beginning of this whole thing. wasting so much fucking money and time. I hate it.

So over this bullshit. Covid is bullshit. Who knows how deadly it really is with all the lies, propoganda and misinformation out there.

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BillionsAndBillions 3 points ago +3 / -0

We had a nasty flu-like virus sweep through the eastern counties of West Virginia, and western counties of Virginia in January, but none of the cases tested positive for flu. Whole school districts were shut down for weeks because it spread so fast and hit so hard. A couple of my coworkers were hospitalized, and nobody knew what it was exactly. When you look at those same counties now, most have no Covid cases at all. Not "no deaths", but no cases at all. Herd immunity. Gov. Coonman still has us locked down 'til June, though.

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Assault-Covfefe 2 points ago +2 / -0

Coonman is gonna feel the pressure when the other states open and there's no significant spike. Hell, the Virginia association of doctors or whatever it's called is begging him to rescind the ban on elective medical procedures since hospitals are laying people off due to lack of income. However, I couch that with the following: He's an empty suit who gets his orders from someone else, so there's a chance he'll just go with it.

Two local businesses I know are gonna open on the down low. Limited people, outdoor seating, and special arrangements for food/drink. They have to or they'll go under. They're MAGA based, so I'm going to go as often as I can. I think you'll see some of that. It'll be like Prohibition all over again.

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BillionsAndBillions 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm glad to hear businesses are doing what they have to. I'll spend money at any business that resists this blackface tyrannical puppet's edicts. I'm pretty sure he's got Bloomberg's hand up his backside. I think the plan is to bring everything in the private sector to its knees, so they can make this state into the totalitarian socialist paradise the NoVA transplants have always dreamed of.

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thewordwolf 2 points ago +2 / -0

Hear, hear!

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IntrepidBurger 7 points ago +7 / -0

I have no idea why so few people understand this. 99% of the people I see talking about this think the lockdown is to kill the virus entirely.

Social media really gave a lot of dumb people voices.

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patriotmaga 7 points ago +7 / -0

Don't forget the damn MSM. This article is a prime example. They give passing reference to the fact Sweden hasn't had to turn away any patients for a bed or ventilator - yet they go on and on about how folks think it their decision "killed people".

The MSM is freakishly good at giving a whisper to the truth, while screaming the voices of detractors.

The goal was supposed to be flatten the curve - and that is still a hypothesis.

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zwiebelsaft 3 points ago +3 / -0

99% of the people I see talking about this think the lockdown is to kill the virus entirely.

I feel dumber just thinking about this fact.

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SordidPontification 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's because they moved the goalposts.

Initially it was "flatten the curve."

Now it's "stop the spread."

At first blush, this seems like a minor change, but when you delve into it you quickly realize that they shifted entirely from slowing the spread of the virus to make it manageable to stopping it entirely when stopping it is nigh impossible.

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Assault-Covfefe 1 point ago +1 / -0

EXACTLY. I've been saying to anyone who will listen for the last 3 weeks once it was clear the models were legit garbage: we flattened the curve. The models were wrong. our healthcare facilities are CLEARLY not overburdened. It's. Time. To. Open. Shit. Up.

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Tonightm01 38 points ago +38 / -0

I'm going to say it and I don't care who doesn't like what my opinion is.

Sweden got it right. We are currently going through the wrong way to handle it. They treated the Swedish people like adults and that was the right thing to do.

We got treated like children and now all that is in our future is a deep recession. Never mind the futures of millions of young adults destroyed overnight.

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grapenuts 18 points ago +18 / -0

dont forget the futures of people who worked their whole life, were on the verge of retirement, and saw their nest egg nuked.

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BillionsAndBillions 2 points ago +2 / -0

Trump had it exactly right, until the "experts" got involved.

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thewordwolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

Oh, you're right. Time will prove this even more so.

You are RIGHT.

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SordidPontification 1 point ago +1 / -0

What's worrisome isn't just the economic fallout but the things the globalists have learned from this experiment.

The West is easily shutdown over a spectre of potentially lethal illness. Or possibly anything else.

This will be used again.

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DontApologize 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's shameful what happened. Sadly no one has what Thomas Sowell calls consequential knowledge about everything.

So when Fauci and Birx said hey do XYZ it will work. Laypeople who aren't involved in medicine will say okay.. Trump will say well - okay sounds like I have to do it. I mean 2 million will die right?

So bam dumb ass cdc guidelines come out. But here is the problem - it turned out that there really isn't any scientific evidence for what is called non pharmaceutical interventions.

So its not just that we over reacted. We over reacted and did shit that wasn't going to work. And that wasn't enough we had Mayors and State Govs acting like they were expert doctors kings - and ruling by decree.. and these guys just made things WORSE.

Looking at the NYC numbers it seems they accelerated the curve - not flattened it! But Fauci and Birx - they KNEW - they KNEW ALL ALONG that this shit wouldn't do anything.

But they fucking did it anyway!

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randomusename 1 point ago +1 / -0

Sweden also has a very high at risk population- 20% of their population is 65 years or older. They have handled it very well.

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yukondave [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

FTFY Depression not recession

Math still does not lie look at the death arc in sweden, its the same as the US. Except they will have immunity when the next season hits in September. They call it the second wave that happens to correspond with the 2020-2021 Flu season but it not the flu and it does not kill the same people that are succeptable to the flu? Its also officially called by the CDC and WHO SARS-CoV-2 which should not be confused with SARS-CoV-1 which died out all on its own in 10 months?

https://covid19dashboards.com/covid-compare-permillion/

Want to bet the life insurance companies are right and that is why they will sell you life insurance for the same price as last year? When in doubt ask an actuary about mortality tables and not a doctor.

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FirosAhoge 27 points ago +27 / -0

RIght, what's the point of huddling scared inside when as soon as we go out were just going to get infected anyway? Except this time there's no immunity. Original purpose was to flatten the curve to not overload hospitals but we're wayyy beyond that now. Now it's just corruption and tyranny keeping us inside.

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Beer-_-Belly 23 points ago +23 / -0

If recovering from this virus does NOT produce antibodies that make you immune to this virus later, then a vaccine has no hope.

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latic 0 points ago +1 / -1

This exactly! How can someone become immune with a special injection if your body cant become immune itself!

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thisisatestof2 22 points ago +22 / -0

I have been out almost every day. Even made trips to the grocery store of death, even for one or two items. Still nonWuFlu.

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FirosAhoge 19 points ago +19 / -0

maybe you already got the wu flu but didnt even notice lol

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Weremoose 11 points ago +11 / -0

I'm pretty sure I had it in January, as did my wife and both of our parents.

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misterLahey 5 points ago +5 / -0

I go to the grocery every day just to do it, and to make those virtue signaling mask-wearing losers clutch their pearls.

And to survey the toilet paper aisle.

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thisisatestof2 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

Today, I remembered I have a few N 95 mask’s at home I bought for a project back in January. I decide to wear one to the grocery store To see if it got any reaction, I was not disappointed when at least to Karen’s told me I shouldn’t wear said N 95 mask because the healthcare workers need it, and I should just wear a homemade cloth mask instead. I told them I knew they were effective against the virus and I wanted to be safe, apparently that was not the correct answer and I Should have worn the Karen approved homemade mask instead is that word “protect me” but also “protect the healthcare workers.”

I will never understand Karen’s.

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latic 0 points ago +1 / -1

Should have starting coughing when Karen's were talking to you and saying how warm you feel!

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thewordwolf 1 point ago +1 / -0

I go to the grocery store routinely. I walk outside. I have friends over. On the REGULAR.

  • No mask

  • No bullshit "social distancing"

I just take vitamins, always have washed my hands. Guess what? Not even remotely sick.

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Necrovoter 16 points ago +17 / -1

Sweden should have developed Grenade Immunity by now....

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latic 1 point ago +2 / -1

The funny thing about Swedens policy choice is it was not a choice, they just knew there was a section of their country that wouldnt listen anyway.

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TheWestDeclines 11 points ago +11 / -0

Dems: We want the Nordic model for our country, too! We want the Nordic model for our country, too!

Also Dems: We didn't mean that model!

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LadyWhoLovesTrump 9 points ago +10 / -1

Of course its mostly the somalians that are getting the wuflu. No sense of basic hygiene.

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someoldcoderguy 9 points ago +9 / -0

Just put that on auto-repeat, and you have the Democrats playbook.

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puppetmaster3 9 points ago +9 / -0

So did Brazil.

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Tellsyouhow 4 points ago +4 / -0

What if they keep adding to the herd with "New" Swedes?

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Peashout 2 points ago +2 / -0

That was their plan.

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BigE123456 2 points ago +2 / -0

We now have “DATA” like paying hospitals money if they code death certificates as COVID-19.

It’s like being honest, truthful, and transparent BUT DIFFERENT!!!!!!

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side_o_beef 2 points ago +2 / -0

How is sweden the country doing the right thing here?

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Sumarongi 6 points ago +6 / -0

The didn’t lock down, thus preserving their economy from total destruction, and now they will have the herd immunity, going forward

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side_o_beef 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah I know but usually they cuck hard for feminist, liberal, and muslim things and this time we're somehow even stupider than they are

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BillionsAndBillions 1 point ago +1 / -0

Now they can focus on grenade attacks instead of economic ruin.

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Snowdone 2 points ago +2 / -0

It is their plan to not have herd immunity. This wy there will be a wave in the fall just as bad as this one. Difference needs to be we say Fuck you in the fall and vote to #keepamericagreat

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PNWArtist 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's not math, that's opinion.

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yukondave [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Math not opinion. SEE LINK and do it yourself. Sweden has same death arc as US but how?

https://covid19dashboards.com/covid-compare-permillion/

We have the same death arc as Sweden per capita???? But how is it you can call your local insurance agency and buy life insurance if we are all doing to die???? HOW is that possible??? Easy money if you believe this crap. Spend $100 a mont for the next 6 months for a $2 million dollar pay out. Heck insure all of your family and friends. Forget the lottery this is easy money?

Because math dont lie.

We are still 20,000 less deaths than 2017-2018 flu season that killed 80,000 people even with New York having cured all other causes of death.

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DontApologize 1 point ago +1 / -0

No. Herd Immunity is already a thing...

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DontApologize 1 point ago +1 / -0

bro come on. You sound like those feminists who bitch about the word mankind. It's medical phrase that already exists - we don't need to change them if it offends someone - we just need to understand what it means.

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yukondave [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Walks like a sheep, talks like a sheep...

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