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HumbleMemeFarmer 71 points ago +72 / -1

Or you could simply go out without a phone.

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Number2withfries [S] 34 points ago +34 / -0

I mostly suggest a burner to keep around in case of a car accident or something of that nature. Not taking a phone out is far more effective than a burner but could leave you vulnerable in an emergency.

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NuclearPony 15 points ago +15 / -0

In canada even if your phone has no plan on it you can still dial 911 on it. I keep an old phone charged in the glove box of my truck just in case.

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TheNakedAmbassador 10 points ago +10 / -0

This works in the US as well.

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MAGAngelo 9 points ago +10 / -1

It’s been proven that even when you power down your phone it will track your geolocation and movements.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago +3 / -1

Proven by who? And where?

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kuningus 2 points ago +2 / -0

You know. They. The guy.

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Friendly_B 1 point ago +1 / -0

How does your phone know that it needs to ring when somebody tries to call you? How do the towers route calls? How does it find your phone and not a different person's phone a block away?

You can take a battery out and the phone will stop tracking your movements. Turning the location feature on and off is just a user-end feature.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 0 points ago +1 / -1

Your phone registers with a cell base station (based on signal, not necessarily the closest one). That's a very large footprint, ranging from blocks to miles. It's not useful for location tracking, as emergency services discovered when people called 911 from a cell phone. In one notable case, a woman was stuck in a ditch in a snowstorm, and they had no idea where she was.

"Enhanced 911" was mandated by Congress to address this issue, before GPS was common in phones. That requires at least two towers to triangulate the signal. This was initiated when you call 911. Now that most phones have GPS, they transmit their location when you call 911.

Your phone can be pinged to determine its location, but it requires a warrant like this one:

https://www.uscourts.gov/file/681/download

The IMSI (in the SIM card) identifies your phone, and when it registers with the cell base station, your home network routes calls to you. When someone calls you, the cell base station broadcasts a paging message with your identifier, and when your phone responds, the call is set up.

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MAGAngelo -1 points ago +1 / -2

I was looking for one of my favorite videos on the subject but I can’t find it, probably got deep sixed.

There’s tons of other stuff on it though. NSA can track phones while turned off.

Can the NSA track you while your phone is turned off? Apparently so.

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671-EVIL 1 point ago +1 / -0

Put the phone in a faraday pouch. Simple. Can get it on Amazon for a few bucks.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +2 / -1

Both of your sources say this:

The Washington Post story doesn’t throw light on this. But the only way NSA could track switched off phones must be by infecting the handsets with Trojans. That would force the handsets to continue emitting a signal even if the phone is in standby mode unless the battery is removed.

That means the target didn't actually turn off their phone. The phone just pretended to turn off, after being compromised by malware.

Unless you are on the terrorist watch list (outside the USA) or the subject of a court-ordered wiretap or tracking warrant (inside the US), you really don't have anything to worry about.

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NaCl_Miner 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree mostly but tell that to Flynn, page, popadopolous, stone, etc....

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MAGAngelo -2 points ago +1 / -3

And hence why I wanted to show you the video.

A brand new phone, nothing installed or set up on it, when turned off, still tracked GPS data and time stamps.

... continue reading thread?
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NuclearPony 1 point ago +1 / -0

So make a lead box to put it in. Or aluminum or just about any kind of metal will interfere with cell signals.

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hulda824 1 point ago +1 / -0

read a story ab a guy who left his phone in his govebox (OFF), and went into a store on a busy town shopping district. when he came back to his car and turned his phone ON, it offered him a coupon to the store he had visited. ???

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Choomguy 2 points ago +2 / -0

Heres the thing. I used to use some burners. So assuming you can still buy one with cash, and you can still add minutes from cash, its still pretty easy to identify you. Any time you have that phone on, it can be pinged and locate you within 30’, probably less. Anytime you have it on, and do anything else where you can be tracked, like making a non cash purchase, going through a toll gate, etc, the dots can be connected. If you were to have it on you and get stopped, they can look at the entire history of that device, and pinpoint your locations.

Im not saying they would go to that extent necessarily to prove you violated quarantine, but it would not be very hard.

I have a friend who doesnt even own a cel phone, thats the only safe way. Honestly, the better approach, moving forward, is to keep your phone off, and just turn it on periodically to check for messages. That’s probably what ill do. I wonder if your phone can be tracked in airplane mode? It shouldn’t be possible, but i bet it probably is.

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Number2withfries [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0 (edited)

Judging by the fact that your name is "Choomguy" I'm going to assume you know what you're talking about. Definitely good info to keep in mind. I mostly got a burner to throw a wrench in the way the contact tracing app works. Like a low tech flip phone without android or Apple OS won't be able to be forced to participate in their little scam. But you're spot on with absolutely everything you said.

Spez: and considering I literally only bought the thing for emergency calls when going out to the store I will be following that turn off the phone advice religiously.

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Choomguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Haha, my burner needs had nothing to do with anything illegal. Choomguy is a reference to obongo and the choom gang. Not that i dont dabble in the cannabis arts (gummies are great for insomnia!) but I haven’t been in sales for many years!

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scott31337 1 point ago +1 / -0

There's lots of things you can do. Mine would be to get your amateur radio license and bring your handheld. That's what I do especially if I go into the boonies

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vinnychase 25 points ago +29 / -4

A phone is pretty much mandatory for anyone who conceal carries though

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VetforTrump 2 points ago +16 / -14

Where and what part of the second amendment covers that?

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vinnychase 46 points ago +50 / -4

The part where if I ventilate a criminal and don't call the police ill go to prison for murder? Was that a serious question bud

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Thedaythe_redditdied 17 points ago +20 / -3

Caring a phone is a good idea. But not having a phone doesn’t mean you can’t defend your self.

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago +4 / -1

I don't know if there is any requirement to report it that very second.

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Kottonballs 6 points ago +7 / -1

There isn't a requirement per se but the first person to call 911 often is seen as more credible.

I have direct experience in 2 police matters that followed this pattern.

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vinnychase 1 point ago +2 / -1

There isn't but the first one to phone the police is usually who is considered the "good guy" no phone? They might just mistake you for the criminal

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HumbleMemeFarmer 2 points ago +12 / -10

Cite one case where a person who did not have a cellphone was so charged.

I'll wait.

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Kottonballs 8 points ago +10 / -2

Now you're just being lazy. I just did a search on DuckDuckGo and numerous cases popped up. Do the work yourself, I'll wait.

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HumbleMemeFarmer -10 points ago +1 / -11

That doesn't count as a citation.

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Kottonballs 3 points ago +4 / -1

Thanks for confirming your laziness. I'm impressed that you were able to type that much from your couch.

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teddybearjunction -1 points ago +2 / -3

You're a dipshit

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vinnychase 0 points ago +1 / -1

You can wait forever I'm not gonna furnish you with information you're too lazy to look up for yourself.

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texascpa 2 points ago +5 / -3

So, prior to the cellphone era, anyone who ventilated a criminal was put into prison for murder? You know that's not true, and our laws have not changed since then to require you to call immediately.

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vinnychase 0 points ago +1 / -1

Are you being intentionally obtuse ?

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patriotmaga 16 points ago +18 / -2

I'm an I.T. guy, this will fail - and don't fret, it'll be opt-in only. It's Blutooth only, and privacy advocates (there are MANY in tech) will be pulling the code apart line by line.

You'll have to install an app for this to be on your phone.

Now if we want to talk about how Google (especially) and Apple have already been allowed to get way too deep into our private lives? That's a serious conversation that needs to be had.

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671-EVIL 11 points ago +12 / -1 (edited)

You'll have to install an app for this to be on your phone.

WRONG.

It will be part of the next OS update. It will be on your phone and I doubt they will tell you that they can turn it on remotely as they please, against your will. They may give you the tracking code but not the rest that allows it to be activated. Just get a LIBREM phone from Purism which uses a different OS.

https://puri.sm/products/

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aAstound 4 points ago +4 / -0

Looked at the Librem USA phone... 2 grand for specs from 2010... That's rough. I'd rather use a flip phone honestly.

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671-EVIL 1 point ago +1 / -0

It's 749 bucks. The more expensive one for 2000 bucks is the same model but made using parts made in the US and assembled in the US. The highly controlled secure supply chain prevents hardware backdoors. I don't think regular folks need that.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +2 / -1

If and when it goes into the OS, it will still be opt-in, just like sharing your location today is opt-in.

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DonTrump2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Aww that's cute you think your location isn't being tracked and shared when you "opt-out". When ever this update comes you will not be able to use their service untill you agree with the new terms. Guess what will be required?

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DisgustedByMisleadia 0 points ago +1 / -1

That won't happen with Apple. They have already gone to court over privacy issues.

With Google, your mileage may vary. But, I think they realize that mandating it will cause a massive migration to a platform that doesn't require it.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 0 points ago +2 / -2

Have you read the proposed spec? It's on Apple's website.

They have given a lot of thought to privacy issues.

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fusterla 11 points ago +11 / -0

Or you can use Google-less Android.

It takes a bit of know how, but it is not complicated to find guides on the internet.

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HumbleMemeFarmer 15 points ago +15 / -0

Even if you disable all location tracking on a mobile device, if it is able to transmit any RF than the cell towers can still provide (rough) location data on the location of the device.

We survived just fine for millennia without toting around a spybox in our pockets.

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teabag4giggles 4 points ago +4 / -0

We also survived just fine for millennia without running water, cars, etc. Doesn't mean life now doesn't require those things.

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krzyzowiec 2 points ago +2 / -0

That term is usually used for iPhones. It involves getting root access to your device so you can do things that Apple doesn't let you normally do.

On Android you need to flash an image that doesn't include Google's proprietary software and APIs, like LineageOS. Only certain devices are supported though. (it's volunteer work)

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Iamnotademocrat 5 points ago +5 / -0

DING DING DING

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's like a time machine back to 1999!!!!

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Tonightm01 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can buy shitty cheap phones. Some people need one for emergencies or work.

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IAbsolutelyDare 55 points ago +55 / -0

Time for a few antitrust suits.

Break up Big Tech and we end tech censorship. Without tech censorship we can defeat Fake News. And without Fake News, the Deep State is helpless.

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Industry4 33 points ago +33 / -0

Absolutely. This should have been done 5-10 yrs ago. Should also go after big media - Comcast, Disney, NBC, CBS, etc.. They are the societal gatekeepers and also have an ideological monopoly and use it to suppress free thought and speech.

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mathteach314159 5 points ago +5 / -0

Why would Obama have spear headed that though? His administration benefitted the most from tech censorship and fake news. Of course it didn’t get done and we are probably too far down this path.

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BasedMedicalDoctor 15 points ago +15 / -0

Fact

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Aclothorsomething 15 points ago +16 / -1

DOJ and the other three letters would never support that. They take payment in the form of direct access to the pipeline of information. You were sold out years ago by !GWB

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BasedMedicalDoctor 35 points ago +36 / -1

This is fucking retarded. This virus has a fatality rate of .1%. In my facility alone I’ve had geriatric Pt’s with extreme comorbidities like terminal cancer and end stage renal failure who beat this virus in 48 hours. Fuck off France.

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IAbsolutelyDare 8 points ago +14 / -6

A few weeks ago I had you pegged as a concern troll, but you seem to be coming around. I'd offer you a coat but the bots are self-isolating.

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Number2withfries [S] 16 points ago +16 / -0

BasedMD is a pede through and through my guy. He's been over at TD for many moons.

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Southern_Belle 4 points ago +4 / -0

BasedMedicalDoctor is one of the pillars of stability around here.

And our previous community on Reddit.

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dukeofdoorcounty 23 points ago +23 / -0

Just don't update your phone OS. That's how this crap gets on your phone. I've only used factory Android that came with the new phone. "Security Updates" are for their security, not yours.

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vinnychase 22 points ago +22 / -0

My phone forces an update after I say no so many times

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NormaJeanRocks 8 points ago +8 / -0

I hate it too, little things I've gotten so used to change, and it pisses me off.

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HotDogWithMustard 18 points ago +19 / -1

Ziploc bag lined with foil can also do the trick

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Tallsie 14 points ago +14 / -0

Sounds like a free market sales idea. We need home insulation that is EMF shielding to.

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BasedMedicalDoctor 8 points ago +8 / -0

I’ve heard mixed things on this. Is it confirmed that tin foil actually does 100% block it?

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HotDogWithMustard 8 points ago +8 / -0

I believe so. May have to layer 2 or 3 times. But yes in theory it works

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MAGAmemnon 12 points ago +12 / -0

I’ve just did an experiment. One time not enough, but 2-3 times confirmed.

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HotDogWithMustard 6 points ago +6 / -0

Im sure thicknees of foil matters too. Thanks for looking into it!

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NoStepeDePepe 1 point ago +1 / -0

Multiple layers matters more than the thickness of said layers.

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1776-or-1984 7 points ago +7 / -0

Look up Faraday bag

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Tonightm01 1 point ago +1 / -0

If it becomes common someone will make them.

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671-EVIL 4 points ago +4 / -0

Get a Faraday bag. Problem solved.

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Chancehappeneth 2 points ago +2 / -0

Preferably NOT made in Chyna.

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OMC-RADIO 1 point ago +1 / -0

That would be a Faraway Covid-19 bag that also causes cancer to California residents.

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VetforTrump 4 points ago +4 / -0 (edited)

Cant you turn it off,? Remove the battery?

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Simon_Jester 12 points ago +13 / -1

heh heh... they stopped making phones with removable batteries years ago

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1776-or-1984 4 points ago +4 / -0

My Galaxy 5 pops out in 3 seconds, nice

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NoStepeDePepe 2 points ago +2 / -0

As he just said, they stopped making removable batteries years ago.

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DonTrump2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

Naw you can still get cheap no brand smart phones with a pop out battery. Any walmart will carry them. They usually go for $40 or $50 bucks.

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HotDogWithMustard 8 points ago +8 / -0

Device can be accessed if it is off and unfortunately, most newer phones dont have a removable battery.

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Barabbas 1 point ago +1 / -0

Also works against alien telepathy, but NOT as bullet proof armor!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G-QlAY0sl8

Get an American made Faraday bag for those that want a "non DIY version".

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jimonalimb 17 points ago +17 / -0

Yeah, in May they're going to START tracking you.

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Number2withfries [S] 14 points ago +14 / -0

Lol they've been doing it since these phones came out. The automatic Bluetooth communication between Apple and Google devices when you're in the vicinity of someone who tested positive for COVID-19 is a new one though.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago +2 / -1

If you turn off location sharing, there's no tracking. The reason people think they are being "tracked": they turned on location sharing for apps that transmit the data. That's on them.

I've read the spec for the Bluetooth contact tracing. It's interesting how they have designed it: the data exchanged is useless to both users until someone reports they were diagnosed with COVID-19. Only then are anonymized/encrypted contacts uploaded to a database. But even then, the database is useless until a close contact asks their app: "did anyone upload my contact info?"

The Bluetooth transmissions are encrypted and "rotated" periodically so that no one else listening can use the information, either.

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DonTrump2020 1 point ago +1 / -0

"If you turn off location there is no tracking" ...lmao that's a good one! Where did you hear that from google?

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DisgustedByMisleadia 0 points ago +1 / -1

I don't use Google.

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671-EVIL 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can we just falsely claim we were all infected to make the system useless?

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DisgustedByMisleadia 0 points ago +1 / -1

Why would you want to do that?

It's an opt-in system. You don't have to participate.

But, I expect they will have some form of validation, to prevent exactly that.

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MaxineWaters4Prez 5 points ago +5 / -0

"Start"

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Barabbas 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep but will leave out the fact that they have always been doing it.

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Junkevil 16 points ago +16 / -0

I think if this continues we'll see a lot more people rooting/jailbreaking their phones. A good deal of my tech friends already do this because they don't trust Google, but love the pixel 4.

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rooftoptendie 8 points ago +8 / -0

is that when you change the OS on your phone or whatever? I have a buddy who did that. Took them 2 days of cursing and a couple of false-alarm freakouts, but once it was working it was the shit and made me want to do it too.

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BornAgainAmerican 8 points ago +9 / -1

https://forum.xda-developers.com/?nocache=1

XDA Developers site has everything you need. The files, walkthroughs, etc.

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rooftoptendie 2 points ago +2 / -0

that is SO COOOOOL, tysm!!

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Junkevil 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yes, it's exactly that. And it prevents forced updates and let's you do whatever the hell you want with your device.

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IncredibleMrE1 16 points ago +16 / -0

Just wait until the normies learn that this has been going on for YEARS already.

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stratocaster_patriot 9 points ago +9 / -0

They were once the ones so concerned about war, China, and big brother. Soon as Obummer took office, China started creatig things they could afford, Google and smartphones came out they conveniently left their morals behind. It's now us excluseively who oppose these things and of course we are the Nazis lol

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uberswank99 12 points ago +13 / -1

Your burner phone is pointless if you call people on their normal phone.

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Number2withfries [S] 13 points ago +13 / -0

Absolutely, I suggest having the burner around only to make a call in an emergency. An example might be a car accident on a back road. This wouldn't be for fun or talking to friends. You would still have your regular phone back at home for snapchat and whatnot.

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VetforTrump 3 points ago +5 / -2

Except they don't know who has the burner

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uberswank99 10 points ago +11 / -1

They do, its you. You called the same 10 people you always do. Even if they can only narrow it down to 5 possible people, you are still on the list.

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ChaplainTappman 9 points ago +10 / -1

Let me introduce you to this concept called 'meta data' where details literally don't matter, and you can reconstruct everything about a person from who they call and what towers/wifi they connect to. A simple number/phone change with the same footprint means it's the same person.

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MaxineWaters4Prez 4 points ago +4 / -0

They've been tracking your geolocation for years.

They know where you work, your hours. They're listening to the mic. Your keystrokes are logged. They know which phones you're in the proximity of when you're at the residence you sleep in, so they know who you live with. What car you drive because you connect to the Bluetooth. If you use NFC payment they know what you buy, where you shop, what brands you buy...

Burners won't solve the problem because they already have everything they need to know.

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stratocaster_patriot 6 points ago +7 / -1

No no we said 'burner' not 'beaner' you stupid beaner.

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WhersMyFuckngJetpack 2 points ago +2 / -0

BOOG NOISES

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nomoreprinkles 8 points ago +8 / -0

Suddenly those old holdouts with removable batteries don't seem too stupid do they?

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ShitComment 8 points ago +8 / -0

There are alternates like copperhead OS that have been degoogled, but still run android. Another would be Jolla / sailfish OS, you can run it on a number of Android phones, is forked off of an old Nokia OS, and works fine. Really, there are several options for the motivated.

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671-EVIL 7 points ago +7 / -0

Purism is even better. They also make laptops.

https://puri.sm/products/

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ShitComment 1 point ago +1 / -0

After checking it out, purism looks like a great start, but is too new in its development. not enough critical apps availble yet, and it's enormous. The made in America version is sweet, but at 2k, it's crazy expensive. Gonna stick w/ SailfishOS for now. Only complaint is MMS is tricky in the U.S.

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ShitComment 1 point ago +1 / -0

Thanks for sharing. Have you used any of their products yet? Do you know of they have a mapping app?

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671-EVIL 4 points ago +4 / -0

I am thinking about getting the phone for 750 dollars and perhaps later the laptop once they have the latest CPU. I am increasingly paranoid and no longer trust the government and companies like Google. I don't care about hardware with all the latest bell and whistles. Privacy is far more important to me.

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sir_rockness 6 points ago +6 / -0

If you wanted to root or jailbreak your phone there are ways you could screw with Apple and Google's telemetry.

I only have one mobile and its through work and security policy dictates we can't do that (for good reason). Otherwise mine would be rooted and I'd be running Chromium and multiple apps to block certain telemetry connections.

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JustInTime2_ 6 points ago +6 / -0

WTF

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Iamnotademocrat 5 points ago +5 / -0

Motorola Android still you can take out the battery or leave your phone at home, turn your phone off...etc

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robotspacetime 5 points ago +5 / -0

Bring back HAM radio!

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DaayTerkErJerbs 4 points ago +4 / -0

What ever they're allowed to do during this 'crisis' will not go away after said 'crisis' tread carefully

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CommonSense 4 points ago +4 / -0

Of course, France surrenders to everyone.

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g0rdy 4 points ago +4 / -0

And Cuomo wants "Tracing Army" isn't what that Nazi bitch Soros was ?

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Muhroadz 4 points ago +4 / -0

Saul Goodman supports this.

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Fauxcahantos 3 points ago +4 / -1

Is it possible to get a sim card without giving up your personal info? Like paying with gift card or bitcoin?

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Number2withfries [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0 (edited)

Yeah just go buy a tracfone and a prepaid plan from boost.

Spez: word to the wise though, pay cash when you buy it and when you call to activate it use a payphone or if you do it online use a VPN. Kind of defeats the anonymous purpose otherwise.

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defroach84 3 points ago +3 / -0

You can also power off your phone and place it in a bag or pouch with RFID shielding. You do want to power it off otherwise when it can't contact the tower it powers up the cell radio chip to full power which drains the battery and heats up the phone.

On a related note I live in Austin TX which is a very tech savvy town full of liberal nonsense. Learned real quick how important it is to have a wallet with RFID lining. Without one your contact-less payment cards can all get hacked while sitting there in your wallet any time you visit a public place.

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OhLollyLollyPop 2 points ago +2 / -0

I bought one and after that, I started leaving most cards at home. No need to carry all of that junk around unless you will need it on that particular trip. A debit card in an rfid sleeve and your license is all you normall need to have. I can fil my phone and a couple of cards in that thing.

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Tonightm01 2 points ago +2 / -0

Already have a shitty phone waiting in the wings.

They are building up to force people to download apps to track you. Not just asking the OS providers to spy on you.

But I know Apple might fight direct requests to do it. I mean open requests. They will just tell the French government to develop an app. As the direct request will harm their brand.

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Ampman69 1 point ago +1 / -0

2 words..... airplane mode! I'll get the texts and VMs when I get home!

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Molten_Plastic -28 points ago +4 / -32

Oh would you fucking people STOP with this? Between this and the "Bill Gates is going to kill us and or microchip us all" you sound like fucking loony tunes.

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ChaplainTappman 14 points ago +14 / -0

Okay, I get it sounds outlandish to you, but where have you been since FISA and PATRIOT were passed? There has been 2 decades of build up and this isn't new or speculation.

If you want proof this is real, plausible, and a real possibility, we can talk proof.

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Number2withfries [S] 6 points ago +8 / -2

Really is sad how many masochists like you there are out there that get off by having the state's boot on your throats. You feel free to be locked in your home indefinitely over the common cold then inject yourself with God knows what provided by that evil Eugenicist Bill Gates. I'll breath free air.

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671-EVIL 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah. He should read the NSA docs Snowden released. Even using encryption software is useless since they can see what you typed before it was encrypted.

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1x10-32 5 points ago +5 / -0

It seems really out there, but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to read through the new Ultra Wideband capabilities they started putting into phones in January.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3490037/ultra-wideband-explained-and-why-its-in-the-iphone-11.html

Note that each phone can locate other phones with a accuracy of a few centimeters and clearly log all of that data for 'reasons' - now imagine what someone without your best interest in mind can do with that data...

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neverreddit 4 points ago +4 / -0

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