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posted ago by HadEnoughInCA (edited)

I've lived in this state for nearly my entire life, and over the past 30 years witnessed it be transformed from a beautiful, carefree paradise, into a soulless, angry garbage dump full of despair. It is as if the people leading this state have spent the past three decades trying to discover the answer to the question, "Exactly how much will people put up with before they will ACTUALLY sell their house and move away?"

Until recently, I can't say my family and I had quite reached that point, although we were slowly getting there. Back in the '90s or early 2000s, most of the bad policies were simply political, in that they were there in a vague sense in the back of your mind, but they did not "touch" you that often in day-to-day life. Gradually, that changed as they ramped up the meddling to interfere with everyday things.

Now it was no longer just sighing once a year at your taxes, or at some news report about a wacky law somewhere. Now they were doing little things to make you pissed off when you go to the grocery store. Pissed off when you go to the gas station. Pissed off when you go to a restaurant. Pissed off when you go to the park. Pissed off when you try to buy a lawnmower. Pissed off when you take out the garbage. Always go pay this little fee; go stand in this line; go fill out this form; sorry, you can't get quite what you wanted, here's the California version instead. Oh, we added this new tax for this one specific purpose, but actually we're not going to use it for that at all; we're going to ignore that and divert the money immediately, and not even pretend we're accountable for it.

More of those little nuisances were piling up daily, and it wears on you, but now - HOLY SHIT. All of a sudden it goes from "We're banning straws" to "We're shutting off your electricity," or "We're placing you all under house arrest," and people just nod and say whatever, it's fine. And here's the one that really blown my mind - they barely even flinch when the government says, "We're entirely likely to do it again."

Wait - WHAT? How did any of this get to the point where people are not only accepting it but embracing it? How could you possibly have any reaction to it except "What the hell - even if there's an emergency, this is BULLSHIT."

As one who considers himself a libertarian (the idea, not the party), I have long known that I am in exactly the wrong place for that, but mainly in a dull, nagging sense. Watching this unfold, and seeing the reactions of those around me, has really opened my eyes to the fact that things have crossed the line from a mere nuisance - much more, and it will be downright dangerous, and the talk of "dystopia" will be more than just an exaggeration or a tinfoil-hat idea.

Of course we all have our fantasies of moving to a ranch in Montana where nobody will fuck with you (or at least bailing out to a place where people are halfway sane). I have never actually looked into it seriously, always stopping at, "Wait, would you really actually MOVE because of politics?" Well, now it feels like it would be foolish NOT to. This is not just some far-off theoretical debate about government anymore; it is in front of your house banging on your door. Or more like inside your house after already kicking down your door.

Last thing to get off my chest with this rant - you often hear people say, "Stay in California, don't bring your shitty politics here," or to take a different tack, "Don't run away from your problems, stay and fix it." But I firmly believe the game is rigged here - state government is run like a mafia. You might as well go take on Boss Tweed, or the Chicago Machine. I've never voted for any of this shit or believed in any of it, and I can't help but think a lot of other people fleeing this place are in a similar boat.

Maybe I'd get some dirty looks if I showed up in Texas until I changed my license plates, but what does that matter. Right now I'd get worse than that for admitting I support Trump (or saying anything other than I flat-out hate him), and if I say I own a gun, people look at me like I just told them I have two dicks. So really, who even cares about that.

I don't know if this even has a point or come off the right way, but as someone who has lurked here since about 2017, and given everything that is going on, I just felt the need to say that I am glad this place exists as a reminder that there are people in the world, and even a few in my state, who have not lost their minds.

edit: also, wow, I really did not expect such a response, but thank you all for your enthusiasm - it is a great feeling to know you are not alone!

I've lived in this state for nearly my entire life, and over the past 30 years witnessed it be transformed from a beautiful, carefree paradise, into a soulless, angry garbage dump full of despair. It is as if the people leading this state have spent the past three decades trying to discover the answer to the question, "Exactly how much will people put up with before they will *ACTUALLY* sell their house and move away?" Until recently, I can't say my family and I had quite reached that point, although we were slowly getting there. Back in the '90s or early 2000s, most of the bad policies were simply political, in that they were there in a vague sense in the back of your mind, but they did not "touch" you that often in day-to-day life. Gradually, that changed as they ramped up the meddling to interfere with everyday things. Now it was no longer just sighing once a year at your taxes, or at some news report about a wacky law somewhere. Now they were doing little things to make you pissed off when you go to the grocery store. Pissed off when you go to the gas station. Pissed off when you go to a restaurant. Pissed off when you go to the park. Pissed off when you try to buy a lawnmower. Pissed off when you take out the garbage. Always go pay this little fee; go stand in this line; go fill out this form; sorry, you can't get quite what you wanted, here's the California version instead. Oh, we added this new tax for this one specific purpose, but actually we're not going to use it for that at all; we're going to ignore that and divert the money immediately, and not even pretend we're accountable for it. More of those little nuisances were piling up daily, and it wears on you, but now - HOLY SHIT. All of a sudden it goes from "We're banning straws" to "We're shutting off your electricity," or "We're placing you all under house arrest," and people just nod and say whatever, it's fine. And here's the one that really blown my mind - they barely even flinch when the government says, "We're entirely likely to do it again." Wait - WHAT? How did any of this get to the point where people are not only accepting it but embracing it? How could you possibly have any reaction to it except "What the hell - even if there's an emergency, this is BULLSHIT." As one who considers himself a libertarian (the idea, not the party), I have long known that I am in exactly the wrong place for that, but mainly in a dull, nagging sense. Watching this unfold, and seeing the reactions of those around me, has really opened my eyes to the fact that things have crossed the line from a mere nuisance - much more, and it will be downright dangerous, and the talk of "dystopia" will be more than just an exaggeration or a tinfoil-hat idea. Of course we all have our fantasies of moving to a ranch in Montana where nobody will fuck with you (or at least bailing out to a place where people are halfway sane). I have never actually looked into it seriously, always stopping at, "Wait, would you really actually MOVE because of politics?" Well, now it feels like it would be foolish NOT to. This is not just some far-off theoretical debate about government anymore; it is in front of your house banging on your door. Or more like inside your house after already kicking down your door. Last thing to get off my chest with this rant - you often hear people say, "Stay in California, don't bring your shitty politics here," or to take a different tack, "Don't run away from your problems, stay and fix it." But I firmly believe the game is rigged here - state government is run like a mafia. You might as well go take on Boss Tweed, or the Chicago Machine. I've never voted for any of this shit or believed in any of it, and I can't help but think a lot of other people fleeing this place are in a similar boat. Maybe I'd get some dirty looks if I showed up in Texas until I changed my license plates, but what does that matter. Right now I'd get worse than that for admitting I support Trump (or saying anything other than I flat-out hate him), and if I say I own a gun, people look at me like I just told them I have two dicks. So really, who even cares about that. I don't know if this even has a point or come off the right way, but as someone who has lurked here since about 2017, and given everything that is going on, I just felt the need to say that I am glad this place exists as a reminder that there are people in the world, and even a few in my state, who have not lost their minds. edit: also, wow, I really did not expect such a response, but thank you all for your enthusiasm - it is a great feeling to know you are not alone!
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Warhead97 60 points ago

Same here fam. I came out yesterday and started posting too. I need an outlet to vent and express my frustrations to like minded people. Havent had to deal with all the crazy shit going down in CA like yourself, but wanted to wish you good luck and welcome.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 35 points ago

No joke, it feels like what I imagine it must be like for a gay person coming out of the closet. Of course, I can't exactly break out the Trump 2020 bumper sticker because I don't want my car keyed or my tires slashed, but - one step at a time.

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-Howitzer- 8 points ago

The best source of wisdom to deal with all of this is the Holy Bible.

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Ipray4potus 1 point ago

Amen!

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Asun 14 points ago

Just listen to Adam Carolla's rant about California, Newsom, or Garcetti in general. They're all epic. Especially the part about the cops are writing chicken shit tickets for speeding on the bottom of the hill, while across the street, illegals are peddling contrabands, food, etc without any permits. Oh, at the same time real business are getting licensed to death for every little thing.

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workinating 8 points ago

I put a vinyl centipede on my vehicle window. Works.

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ThatOrcTsadok 4 points ago

man, I'm an idea libertarian and I got a question.

why is Montana and Wyoming the two states that always seem to be states people want to move to?

I'm in Texas, and it's going to be my home till the day I die, but for some reason my dream final move is out in the middle of nowhere, rural Montana or Wyoming. I guess it's because they actually have snow instead of ice during their winters but it just seems like a common thing among libertarians.

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sdl5 3 points ago

I think it dates to childhood images of independent cowboys and ranchers in the big outdoors, added to by the lack of restrictive gun and such laws.

Not sure if the lack of laws and fertile/viable open space is reality still, but I suspect that image is the deep source.

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ThatOrcTsadok 2 points ago

I cant say for everyone but if I was a rich man, I'd buy a ranch with a couple hundred acres up there. I'd have to check the local building regulations though to see if my 1:2 scale replica Trump Wall fencing needs cement or not though.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 1 point ago

Well the appeal isn't that it's Texas with more snow, at least for me. In fact, that may be the biggest thing that makes me think twice. There's nothing wrong with some snow, but it seems Montana is one of those places where the weather is NO JOKE, like you could be seriously fucked if you don't know what you're doing.

I would say the draw it that it sounds like "Texas with better scenery and less people." I don't think I would be one of those people who would move to a town of 400 people that's out in the middle of nowhere, but if the "big cities" are 60,000 people instead of 2 or 3 million, and you can still get a place half an hour away with 20 acres and no neighbors, where you can do whatever you want, that's appealing. I have no illusions of becoming a farmer or a rancher, that's goofball talk.

On the other hand, if you ever needed to find a new job, or other benefits of being closer to a lot of people (which do exist), then I can see what's good about Texas, which is probably why a lot of people end up there.

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ThatOrcTsadok 1 point ago

usually it's the low taxes that pull people in, but then they move to Austin, D/FW, San Antonio, or Houston without realizing the tax rate is higher in those cities. The survivalist in me loves bad weather but at the same time I'm not going to be the guy who buys a school bus and tries to live in Alaska in the middle of winter.

The main problem with "rural" texas is you will still end up with close neighbors, if you want something really out in the middle of nowhere, you'll have to deal with buying the land from someone who generally isn't in the market to sell, deal with all the land use rights, have utilities run a line out to the property and deal with a water well drilling company. I mean you'll have to do that anywhere regardless but most land owners have had it passed down through their famly for a while so it'll take some convincing if they dont know you.

I agree though, small town texas is still around 11-15k people, I think the only town that was less than 100 in total was Maryneal, had at most 20, and that kind of got burned to the ground during the 2011 wildfire.

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Taffy550 2 points ago

yep.

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KuzoKevin 44 points ago

Excellent rant!. Put a Trump sticker on your car and the plates won't matter. TX could use your help. CA is already in Hospice.

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SaltyHuevos2020 2 points ago

I would put a sticker on my car but it would probably be keyed by a bus rider or be slammed with shopping carts at the store. Those types of people typically are to afraid to confront you about it, and rather just destroy your personal property and post it on some social media. Fuck them losers, sorry my rant is over.

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COnDEMnED 37 points ago (edited)

Hello my fellow ex-Californian. I’m also in my mid 30’s, and I lived in the greater Los Angeles all my life. It was a beautiful place to live and grow up in the 80’s to early 90’s, and things started downhill from there. My family got so sick of the shit, that yes, we sold all our homes and moved the fuck out. We all went to Nevada.

We’ve been here for around 4 years, give or take, and it’s been amazing (in comparison to CA. We still have a cock smooch Sisolak running things here). I was very aware of how everyone felt about me until I changed my license plates. They (we) do NOT like Californians. You’ll be fine so long as you vote correct, which SOME of us apparently haven’t learned after moving.

Gas is cheap, cost of living is cheap, my property taxes are something like 550 bucks a year for about an acre and a quarter. My mother got a house on the block above me, my grandparents got a house a block above her, my uncle and his family have 7 acres at the top of our road. We’re drinkers, so it’s fun driving golf carts from house to house. You can’t have that type of Tomfoolery fun in CA. I still have Business in CA, so I’m constantly reminded of how shitty that state is, taxes, insurance, and utilities wise.

Now we all live in our desert paradise, we all live close and cheap, we all got our animals we wanted, and we all got our conceal carry permits. Don’t be afraid of being chastised for being a “quitter” and not “changing from within”. Happiness is right across the state line, and life’s too short to wait for the revolution that would be necessary to make California habitable again. I have some family that got left behind, and they’ve told us since we left, it’s like a third world country over there. Don’t wait, move and find peace.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 25 points ago

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I don't doubt things will be much better - the only thing really keeping me from packing up my shit and bugging out next week is getting things figured out as far as our kids and semi-elderly parents. But I figure that can all be sorted out within a year or two.

You look around and see that if you sold your house, you could get the same house on 20 acres in another state, and pocket an extra $10K in tax savings, and it really makes you wonder "Just what the fuck am I doing here?" Above all, in virtually all of the red states I've visited (I travel a fair bit for work), it just seems so ... easy ... by comparison. Besides the taxes and all the rules, living in this state is just EXHAUSTING.

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ShiffsDeadHooker 13 points ago

Where I live in Missouri, a 2500 sq. ft. custom-built new home in a nice little metro area with tons of restaurants, shopping, great internet, and on a 1/3 to 1 acre lot with full city utilities will run you, idk, maybe $300k? If you want all the fancy upgrades, add another $40k. That would be about as nice as the home my sister has in CA that she just sold for $6m.

Oh, and I bought gas this weekend, 91 octane for $1.40/gal. My property taxes (cars plus home) run around $1800/year.

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fear_mongrels 4 points ago

Whoever bought that house is gonna pay around $75,000 a year just for property tax.

And have no more rights nor privileges than some layabout bum.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 1 point ago

They will have less rights and privileges than the bum. They'll be expected to provide for the bum, as well as the massive city program for the homeless that doesn't actually do anything, and the massive state program for mental health that doesn't do anything, and to do it all with a smile on their face while saying, "Step on me, Gavin! Do it harder!"

They just paid $6 million to become the enemy, a public punching bag.

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COnDEMnED 9 points ago

I’ve had friends move to Nevada, Texas, and Arizona and every one of them seemed to agree “this is much better”. Wherever you go, if you decide to go, will be stressful in the process, but boy is liberation amazing.

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Cyer6 8 points ago

I lived in commiefornia for many years and only ended up there via the military. But we bugged out of there a little while ago and went to Texas. We just wanted to live in a free state with a rich heritage. I know people will say it's turning purple and the cucks are taking over, but all the people I've met are based Texans. I love this state and will do what I can to keep the Texas tradition alive and red.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 7 points ago

If my wife didn't hate the desert, I would've bailed to Nevada a long time ago. She's also one of those people who has never been to Texas, but is afraid of Texas because of what her liberal friends have said about it without ever being to Texas either.

I used to be that way too, and the truth is when that is all you've ever heard, you just never are going to figure it out until you finally go to Texas and see that there is nothing wrong with it. Maybe we should find a reason to visit Texas.

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COnDEMnED 6 points ago

I think she would love Texas. I’ve never been myself, but I heard from those who moved there it has a smaller amount of desert you would think. My friend and her husband moved somewhere on the outskirts of Dallas (I think that’s what she said) and they’re in the Forrest somewhere. Fishing spots everywhere. If I didn’t pick Nevada, Texas was on the short list. I gotta have fishing...

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ThatOrcTsadok 2 points ago

that's green texas, brown texas is more grasslands instead of forrests. which isn't kocking either side, we get dry heat in brown texas during the summers, green texas has rain nearly every other day.

Avoid the major cities, suburbs are give and take, but if you want the real Texas life, look at small towns. $300k would be able to buy you the largest house in the town, and if it wasn't big enough you would still have enough to make additions.

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OhLollyLollyPop 2 points ago

There is green east Texas full of pine forests, good farming - and prairie central texas. The only desert is west and south near El Paso and the border. It gets less green in general west of the Hill Country. I love Texas.

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remember1776 10 points ago

I'm in the 'stay n fight' camp for the time being. But I'm slowly getting turnt. I'm getting slowly suffocated here. Nevada is also on my short list.

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COnDEMnED 6 points ago

Anywhere but Vegas and Reno is Trump county, pretty much. If you’re a glutton for punishment and miss home, we call Reno little Los Angeles.

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remember1776 6 points ago

For sure. Las Vegas is where my wife and I attended our only Trump rally.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 2 points ago

What it comes down to is, do I want to be stressed out and angry for the next 25 years if I "stay and fight," or relaxed and happy for the next 25 years if I don't? You can never get that time back, and at some point it's just not worth it.

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remember1776 1 point ago

That’s true no doubt

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Yucky 3 points ago

I honestly think it's politically wise to do what you did. Rather than fighting a lost cause like CA, someone can move from there to a purple state like NV and help push it more red.

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COnDEMnED 4 points ago

The benefits drastically outweighed the negatives. I’d never known what it was like to live with a bunch of republicans until I moved. I went to my first ever 2A rally in Carson City where we had a fucking gun raffle a few blocks from the governors mansions. I’m not even sure if you’re allowed to have a picture or a painting of a gun in CA anymore.

The lifestyle is much MUCH slower, and I found myself getting a little pissed when shit didn’t get done on my built in CA work ethic timeline, but I’ve found myself calming down and I just realize things happen “on Nevada time”, which can be anywhere from 1-4 weeks.

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Ipray4potus 1 point ago

What's a good city in nevada? My brother loves in henderson.

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Ipray4potus 1 point ago

What's a good city?. My brother loves in henderson.

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COnDEMnED 1 point ago

I think it depends on what you’re looking for. Carson City is the capital and has a million people, maybe. You get all the big city shopping with the small town charm. If you want historical, there’s Virginia City, if you want forrests, there’s the Highlands between Reno and Virginia City, if you want farmland there’s Yerington and Wellington. If you want flat desert there’s Stagecoach. If you want to be near a lake there’s Topaz, Tahoe, Washoe Lake, and world class fishing at Pyramid.

I think even if you went to Reno or Vegas, it would still be night and day to the misery of California.

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Ipray4potus 1 point ago

Thanks!!

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CIANSAFBIhateUs 28 points ago

Ain't Socialism Grand!!!!! 😂😂😂

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 25 points ago

It's DEMOCRATIC socialism, what's wrong with you

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CIANSAFBIhateUs 19 points ago (edited)

Sure you're right! Socialists steal your rights....Democratic Socialists vote them away to a third party....the Communists.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 17 points ago

I mean, the voting here is pretty much stealing too, but I know what you mean.

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sdl5 3 points ago

Dude, this made me laugh as a recovering 2016 Bernie voter. And fellow lifetime Californian.

My youngest and all my grandbabies and my friends I have retained through the last 5 years of insanity will never EVER consider moving anywhere else, and I truly love my State even in my despair for every single reason you ranted about.

So I have accepted my fate... and live on the far edge of the liberal bubble with vast open spaces and small towns far less poisoned stretching beyond me.

Political power will never relinquish it freely nor honest elections prevail, but I can stubbornly refuse to conform or give up my space.

You get your family free, teach your children and then grandchildren about freedom and what California used to be like before the neolib's took power and then allied with the crazy left to create dystopia.

And people like me will try to keep undermining the toxic ethos with subtly subversive choices that empower others around me to also rebel in small ways.... water slowly wears down granite when even quakes fail. And that's all I have left here in my beloved State. 😕

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glasseye 23 points ago

Preach it brother.

They are driving out the producers and catering to the unproductive.

No shortage of unproductive types these days.

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XCorneliusX 19 points ago

Four families run California and have for decades. They also are tied to entertainment companies and the tech industry.

You need to see this post from a few days ago if you have not. https://thedonald.win/p/FMlYoeKE/4-families-have-controlled-calif/c/

I grew up in SoCal. That State left me so I moved east and took nothing of that wack politics and enjoyed Virginia until coonman got in and Bloomturd funded the delegate and lower office elections to take away guns.

That link is not my op post. It was just a very detailed video.

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GUILE 8 points ago

3+ decades in California, and I never knew this. This is Greg Reece best reporting I have ever seen, and I'm a big fan of his, even though some shit he is totally wrong.

But this makes so much sense now, its fucking incredible.

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

I agree with you. I have seen some of those reports that were very poorly researched. This one is. I knew most of this info, but not all.

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GUILE 3 points ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=301&v=9Z-J0I01QP8&feature=emb_logo

This is the original video, higher quality. Credit goes to XcorneliusX

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago (edited)

The time continue was at the end, so https://youtu.be/9Z-J0I01QP8 from that video.

The download link died. It was static.

*To download, try here https://s3.loader.to/downloads2/02eebffd9ca918fbcf38f183b0d/RENEGADE%20STATE%20-%20The%20Four%20Families%20Of%20California%20And%20The%20Private%20Company%20That%20Controls%20The%20Internet.mp4

It is a direct download.* Offline saves are best these days for when things get taken down. This may. Thank you for the shout out.

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GUILE 2 points ago

Direct download link, file not found. :(

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XCorneliusX 1 point ago

Darn timed out.

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TEXinLA 17 points ago (edited)

Hey Fren...In the early 90s, we moved out here from Texas. Already had lots of relatives out here since my Mother is from the OC.

CA was normal then. Middle of the road type of politics. Coming from Austin, my first thought was "dang, these folks do not know how to party."

Over the past decade, the downward spiral has become evident.

Complain about the homeless and you are mean.

Point out that folks selling food on the sidewalk are violating ADA and leave grease and trash and you are racist.

Mention that people pooping and peeing in public are disgusting and health hazards and that makes you judgmental.

And the list goes on and on. There is no longer any benefit to following the rules and society cannot continue this way.

On the bright side, gas was $2.09 per gallon in Coachella last Thursday and I paid $2.45 per gallon in the SFV last week.

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Cyer6 6 points ago

It's a $1.21 around the Austin area, but I remember $4.30+ in CA a little while ago.

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TEXinLA 1 point ago

Wow. $1.21 per gallon.

I had business in Bishop, CA last month (3/4-5) and drove up the 395 from Los Angeles. Gas was $4.99 per gallon gas at the Jawbone Canyon service station.

Maybe 30 miles to the south, I bought gas in Mojave at $3.39 per gallon.

It's the only station near the Jawbone Recreation area and never disappoints. Even in tiny Bishop gas was only $3.65 per gallon.

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Grief 0 points ago

They're still doubling the price in taxes from what it should be.

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TEXinLA 1 point ago

That they are. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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DicksOutForHarambe 15 points ago

Too much truth in this post I'm sad now, get me to Texas!

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AZTrumpette1776 12 points ago

Move out of CA but leave behind any and all ideas of turning your new home to anything that even slightly resembles your old home.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 15 points ago

What do you mean "leave behind?" That would mean I'd have to want that in the first place.

I am really becoming convinced that most of these idiot Californians who overrun other states must be ones who move to a new state for a job or something, not because they are fed up and actually would prefer what the other state is doing more.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 16 points ago

Hey brother, also a Cali boy. I've spent the last few years planning my grand "fuck you" to CA. I'm taking 4 generations of the family with me so it has taken tons of research and hard work, but I finally centered on north Georgia. The Tennessee Georgia Alabama area has great government, friendly taxes, and a wide variety of employment options. Not sure what you do for work but if you would like a little advice just to point you in the right general direction, hit me up any time.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 8 points ago

Thanks for the offer - always glad to hear what other people have found out and liked. Right now we are a bit partial to places like Montana, Wyoming, and such with their independence and rugged natural beauty ... but at the same time I realize that may be REALLY jumping into the deep end (i.e., things like extremely low population and winters that are harsh, not merely cold, may make life difficult unless you are really committed to it). So yeah, the more we can find out first from other people who have had similar experiences, the better.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 8 points ago

I have family forty minutes east of Tacoma across the border in Idaho. They love it, and the commute isn't bad to find work. Only downside is in the snow it's a long ride. Absolutely gorgeous there. They found that jumping into a church and getting involved with every social activity they had was a good idea too, since a lot of folks in the region are a bit standoffish with Californians until they get to know you. Trump stickers on your car help too

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CaliPede24601 2 points ago

Tacoma... you mean Spokane?

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 3 points ago

Yup. No idea why I transposed that in my head lol

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 2 points ago

Well technically it just depends on how fast you drive.

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Cyer6 5 points ago

I grew up in Wy, but later spent a few decades in CA and settled here in TX. If you like WY, look up around the northern areas off the I-25 corridor. There's a little town called Buffalo that mom's family came from. Always loved that town but there's a lot of them like that around the Buckhorn Mountain range. I would avoid central and southern WY. Lots of cold, windy tundra.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 4 points ago

It would be good to live in a laid-back area near "enough" to a decent-sized city that you are not in hardcore isolation, but without it being right on top of you ... I remember the Bitterroot Valley near Missoula MT seeming like a great location in that respect. I don't know if there's anything like that in Wyoming, but that is kind of the speed I am after. Don't really know enough about either to judge from afar - probably both spots that we should visit soon.

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Crimson_Identity 5 points ago

I live in Idaho, and would recommend you take a look at it as well.

If you want a city, Boise is really fun, but is turning blue fast. If your concerned about winters, they may be cold compared to what your used to, but they really don't get any snow there. Maybe a few inches that'll melt really quick.

For the most part, the rest of Idaho is basically country and gets a BUNCH of snow. If you're near the Snake River you can plan on wind.

The summers could not be better. Temps in the low 90s are considered very high, Wildlife, solitude, fishing, hiking, camping, literally never ending lists of things to do if you're an outdoorsy person.

Just let me know if you have any questions about it up here. I'd be more than happy to help you out.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 5 points ago

I was actually up in Boise last November for the first time, and surprised that the climate was more like a colder Nevada than what I was expecting, which I guess was all rain and snow and trees like Washington. I asked a lot of people what there was to see, though, and it seemed like there weren't all that many places to go except up to this one lake, and up to this other lake an hour further away. :)

Not a bad place, though, and the people weren't all angry and miserable, so it's got that going for it!

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OhLollyLollyPop 2 points ago (edited)

My brother moved to north Georgia/eastern Alabama border area from Florida. He is insanely happy. He found a small house on a little lake. He does public relations and is always at an opening of some sort.

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AZTrumpette1776 9 points ago

I don't mean you specifically, I mean I welcome CA to come to AZ as long as they leave their ideology behind. I think Texas feels the same way. We want everyone to leave CA so that CA ends up destroying itself completely, we just don't want them coming to our state and trying to bring it here.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 7 points ago

Those are my thoughts exactly. If these people want to burn their own house to the ground, so be it, but I sure as hell do not want them chasing after me until there is nowhere left to run.

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123breadman 1 point ago

Bro if I leave CA I'm taking all my conservative ideas with me. I ain't turing liberal.

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Knight_Swolaire 11 points ago

I’m in the SF Bay Area. I hear you!!!

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 8 points ago

That's where I spent the majority of this time until it just got so miserable we couldn't stand it anymore. The idiocy is slightly less oppressive where we are now ... but then again, you see plenty of electric cars on our street, and a couple people have already put up Biden 2020 signs (seriously, who puts up a Joe Biden sign?) so you know it's there right under the surface.

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123breadman 2 points ago

I don't see any Biden signs. All I saw was Bernie signs, and now everything is empty except for the occasional Trump supporter.

OP we need to leave this shitty state for Texas.

CA house = 600,000 TX house = 120,000

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based_unicorn 3 points ago

In the Bay Area too. I swear the WuFlu has people brainwashed even more than normal here. My friends who are “default liberals” aka barely political at all but listen to the MSM, have gone off the deep end since the quarantine started. No one questions anything and if you do, they look at you like you’re crazy.

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Mad_Hattie 10 points ago

Welcome to Win!

Sorry you are dealing with a bad Gov.

I'm in NJ, I CAN RELATE!

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loric4882 9 points ago

Your first sentence says it all.

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thirsty_deer 9 points ago

There are more Trump voters in California than there are in Texas. And we have families. No matter how bad things are right now, the meek will always inherit the earth. The future belongs to those who show up for it.

The anti-natal mentality of the left would drive them to extinction in one generation were it not for educational indoctrination and mass immigration. Raise a family, pray for your children, fight against indoctrination and mass immigration, never let them take your guns, and prepare to win in the long haul for your children and grandchildren.

If you can afford to accomplish that from within California, carry-on. If not, Godspeed wherever you go. Either way, don’t count the Golden State out just yet. This isn’t the first time that stretch of land was governed poorly.

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CaliPede24601 3 points ago

I pray you are right! I’m willing to hunker down and fight it out for now. Would love to see conservatives from blue states with only a few electoral college votes move to CA and turn this behemoth red; libs would shit the bed and cannibalize each other trying to blame and out-grandstand each other.

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sdl5 3 points ago

Thank you- holding the N CA fort here as that unicorn, a real liberal with what are now seen as mostly conservative values who doesn't suffer from TDS or have any trust in Dems. Maybe my grandkids in Gen Z and the next can seize the reins back...

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ohpleaseuhhelpame 8 points ago

I live in So Cal..and I wholeheartedly feel the same way as you, I couldn't put in into words as well as you did but man I feel exactly the same way you do! It is really pretty sad it has come to this in our state.

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Thecryptoclub 7 points ago

PREACH BROTHER!

NEWSOME IS A TYRANT PELOSI BETRAYS AMERICANS DAILY

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7_17_24 7 points ago

Thank you so much for this. As a born and raised Californian, I can say that you are spot-on. What keeps us here is that both my and my husband’s entire families are here. Also, if we moved, we would have to start up his business from scratch, building up new clientele. Lastly, We wouldn’t even know where to go at this point. Seeing stories like a mom being arrested for taking her kids to the park in Idaho, of all places, makes me wonder if theres anywhere left that’s not going downhill.

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Trump2k20 7 points ago

Awesome post! Thanks for sharing.

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papatrump 7 points ago

great rant, I could have written that myself so thanks for saving me time. Illinois has followed CA down the cesspool. what an absolute joke these states are. Mitch, don't you dare bail out these states, let them get what they deserve...

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TrumpOrTreason 6 points ago

Well stated!

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helenvsgladys 6 points ago

Agreed on all counts. This especially hit home for me:

As one who considers himself a libertarian (the idea, not the party), I have long known that I am in exactly the wrong place for that, but mainly in a dull, nagging sense. Watching this unfold, and seeing the reactions of those around me, has really opened my eyes to the fact that things have crossed the line from a mere nuisance - much more, and it will be downright dangerous, and the talk of "dystopia" will be more than just an exaggeration or a tinfoil-hat idea.

I love California and really thought I'd live here forever, but my long term plan now involves leaving as soon as it's financially practical.

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MAH3A2HO 1 point ago

The way they raise taxes and cost of living, it may never be financially practical. They can't have their serfs running off.

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farangbak 5 points ago

$3.50??

I paid $2.25 a few days ago in OC.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 4 points ago

I admittedly haven't been to a gas station in a few days, because where the hell am I going to drive to anyway, but last time I drove by one, it still said something like $3.43.

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BobT 4 points ago

In Michigan I topped off the tank at $1.25 a gallon the other day but I've got nowhere to go.

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OhLollyLollyPop 1 point ago

I can't figure out why the gas prices are so low up there. They are higher in Texas.

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Colby 1 point ago

1.65 where I am in Texas.

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TwoStar 1 point ago

I was excited to pay 1.59 in NE Florida, then instantly bummed because I had nowhere to go and knew that gas was going to sit in my tank.

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CaliPede24601 1 point ago

FWIW, I paid $2.19 at the Concord Costco this past weekend.

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Womp_womp 5 points ago

Bro, the military sent me there for 6 years. It was Norcal, so less cucked. However, 6 years was PLENTY. I retired and skipped town so fast. Life is better here. The weather is horrid, its less beautiful here, but freedom is sweet and worth it. Also fuck CA and their ridiculous taxes.

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Comntrinchief 5 points ago

GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!

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kidfromtheplayground 5 points ago

Its impossible to live in a State where since 1980 it has been controlled by 4 big families and they do what they want and FU, you are a means to their ends. You are their sheep to herd and meat to cull and eat.

I truly cant believe its taking people so long to wake the fuck up over there. Gods speed on getting out of there.

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FamburgerHelper 4 points ago

Thanks for sharing, I hope you making it out of there and soon!

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Seabee53 4 points ago

I am SO with you brother.

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conservativefrank 4 points ago

Libertarian is an ideal set that hijacks Conservative ideals, pretends Conservatives don't exist, and is for big government programs "to help people" - aka leftism.

Get out of Commiefornia.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 18 points ago

I mean libertarian in the sense that the government should do the minimum necessary to provide a stable framework for living and commerce, and then fuck off and leave people alone. The John Stuart Mill definition of it. I just don't fully connect with the entire conservative spectrum of thought (mainly the most hard-right religious parts) but won't detract from people for believing it.

Too many "Libertarians" today really just mean they want government social engineering in a slightly different way from the main parties, and that is a dogshit ideology.

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conservativefrank 7 points ago

"I mean libertarian in the sense that the government should do the minimum necessary to provide a stable framework for living and commerce, and then fuck off and leave people alone. "

That's Conservative.

Trying to force people,to worship a certain way isn't part of Conservative thought. Leaving people alone to do what they want - including worship as they want - is Conservative. Forcing religion on people is leftists, authoritarian, not Conservative.

The fact that you misrepresented Conservative proves my point that liberaltarians hijack Conservative ideals while pretending Conservatives don't hold those ideals.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 7 points ago

Well then fine, by that definition, count me conservative.

Unfortunately, for most people, the meaning of "conservative" seems as if it's been hijacked to include a lot of judgmental moral beliefs that are merely the opposite of liberals' moral judgmental beliefs.

I am not in favor of that from either side - but on the other hand, I've dealt with plenty of judgmental left-wingers as well as plenty of judgmental right-wingers in my lifetime, and guess which ones are more often people who can actually be reasoned with.

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conservativefrank 2 points ago

That's the smoke screen, that there are "extremists" on both sides. Trying to force people to do something or think something is leftist, by definition. Conservative is for individual freedom.

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AdAstraPerAspera 1 point ago

This makes me cringe because it's conservatives that always had the morals and liberals always just defined themselves through opposition to them (liberals don't have morals / principles, only a worship of political expediency).

I'm not saying that you are wrong that many people think that way now. I'm saying it makes me fucking cringe because it's so inaccurate.

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Mad_Hattie 3 points ago

When Libertarian is supposed to mean LESS government/Big Business bootlicking.

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Dudemanfoo 2 points ago

Libertarianism SHOULD be an idea that pushes people back towards the constitution... which is as close to anarchy as the founding fathers could get us and still have an organization strong enough to "repel boarders" from the likes of England and France... with a sprinkled with fairy dust from Atlas Shrugged with the ideas of Galts Gulch... which I love the idea of...

But in practice, it has become ... legalize my weed... which I don't give a shit about one way or another...

Then you have the purists like Noam Chomsky that can't figure out the world is not a computer... (he is co-author of a famous computer algorithm)

But I have never heard of it being for big government doing anything for any reason... do you mean Liberalism instead of Libertarianism?

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 3 points ago

If you mean the modern Libertarian Party, that is largely what they have become. They are pretty useless. I joined them for a while but was very disappointed.

It ought to be more like, you start a question with, "Should the government ..." and I say, "Not a real strong start there, buddy."

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Dudemanfoo 2 points ago

I agree... I love Ron Paul as much as the next guy... but he really is a conservative and tried to pull the "Libertarian" party towards it... he is a big constitutionalist... the party just wants weed...

And I think "Should the government" should be "Awww FUCK NO" ... it will take sharp pitchforks to get there... mine is sharp and ready to go...

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cluckingducks 2 points ago

Conservativefrank is either young and not had the chance to educate himself, or of medium IQ and just gets the talking points. As long as he's anti leftist I'll take him on my side.

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Dudemanfoo 1 point ago

Agreed... I think Conservativefrank and I would quite enjoy more than one beer together... as I would with 98% of the folks here...

I fucking love this place...

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conservativefrank 1 point ago

Look at the replies. The first reply to my message was something about the government doing something for people.

Conservative is about personal liberty and the Constitution/Founders ideals.

Liberaltarianism is about "we have to help people and government is the only way to do that."

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Dudemanfoo 1 point ago

I think you are conflating these things

  • Modern Liberalism :: Communism
  • Libertarianism :: Maximum freedom from government

as opposed to

  • Classical Liberalism :: What the founding fathers were

and the word you said was "Liberal Tarianism" which I'm not sure what that is... I thought you were just fooling around with that... maybe you meant "Liberalism"?

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conservativefrank 0 points ago

The founding fathers were not "classic liberals." They were, by definition, modern Conservatives - Conservative is about preserving the ideals the Founding Fathers held.

Liberaltarians start with "the government must help people" - the false premise that only government can solve problems, keep things running well.

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cluckingducks 1 point ago

You have no clue what a libertarian is.

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Spezisapedovore 4 points ago

I'm right there with you, friend. Getting out of this godforsaken state asap. Can't imagine where in CA gas is still that high. I paid 2.59 the other day and I'm in the South Bay.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 1 point ago

Maybe it really came down a lot in the past few days since I last looked, but it would've had to be a huge drop.

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Joejoesing 3 points ago

Maybe all the enthusiasm was for the 'two dicks' part.

Do you have two dicks?

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 2 points ago

I've got two guns, but alas, dick's still normal last time I checked.

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w33tad1d 3 points ago

I totally get it. I grew up in CA and left 5 years ago for Texas. America's America is a great place. Even if people here think the gulf is "good beach."

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Dialectic 3 points ago

Gonna be honest, had a few beers, not reading that lol. I feel terrible for California bros. I have no idea how you right that sinking ship. Suggest you conduct tactical retreat, move to free America.

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 3 points ago

That was essentially the idea, you saved yourself a lot of reading, lol.

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Yucky 3 points ago

Well said pede, and it all started here:

transformed from a beautiful, carefree paradise

A society that is "care free", eventually stops caring. And you end up where you are.

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xdrunkagainx 3 points ago

I let the people I know around me their support of the way California is run is the problem. Tell your family, tell friends, tell coworkers. Either we flip this state ourselves or it won't happen

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Fabius 2 points ago

I'm in Los Angeles. Born and raised. This place is a god damn hellhole but we have jobs that pay pretty good so moving is off the table.

I hope one day we can get the fuck out of here.

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Smagyarown 2 points ago

I moved from San Diego 3 years ago, sold my house at a profit and then moved to middle PA and bought a house with cash. Now my life is quiet and I only have a credit card as debt.

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123breadman 1 point ago

At least you had a house. I can't afford one for shit

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Smagyarown 1 point ago

I got lucky. I snagged one during the housing market crash and used my VA loan.

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ImperialxWarloed 2 points ago

Yikes, I feel yah. Illinois ain’t as bad as Callie but damn it still sucks. I wanna move somewhere down south, I’m thinking North Carolina. And how the hell is your gas still so expensive? Here in Ilinois it’s as low as 1.50! I haven’t seen anything over 2 in weeks!

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123breadman 0 points ago

California has a secret $2 gas tax due to incompetence and bloating of the state govt.

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fear_mongrels 2 points ago

Pissed off trying to fill the gas on that lawnmower.

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TheMadManDidItAgain 2 points ago

It's ok, you can say 'horseshit' here, faggot.

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Jussdickinaround45 2 points ago

I FEEL YOU. Not exactly Cali, but Minnesota- which often wishes it was a San Fran or NY.

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ralphw 3 points ago

Just as cucked, nowhere near as warm.

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turdinthepunch 2 points ago

That $3.50 is the tax.

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ralphw 2 points ago

GET OUT

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CQVFEFE 2 points ago

Gas 3.50

Oil was cheaper than free two days ago...never seen a commodity go less than zero before

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Segfault 1 point ago

And California keeps voting the exact same way..

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 1 point ago

This is a nice preview of the Democrat model for the rest of the country.

While everyone is distracted by "voter fraud" and "illegals voting," that is a relatively small issue compared to the fact that 30 million illegal immigrants today will lead to 120 million new U.S. citizens in a couple decades, who will vote solid blue in lockstep.

That is the real plan, and in California it has had time to run its full course already. Unless the SCOTUS rules against birthright citizenship, there is no way out of it. Another big reason why this may have been the most important election in 50 years.

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Dudemanfoo 1 point ago

Hoss... I hate to say it... you have a LONG way to go... sure.. you're right... but you are SO far away from the solution...

The second amendment is there for people to shoot at the government... the press is supposed to be there to let the people know when to shoot at the government... now, it's propaganda, but we still know... but you have not even crossed the threshold of saying SHIT at the end of HORSESHIT...

Don't worry... it will get bad enough.... and the founding fathers knew... it's coming.. they keep poking the bear with the stick... and either a new revolution, or an Atlas Shrugged type event will happen...

People may do a passive aggressive approach and say fuck paying taxes in July... that would be an excellent followup to the 4th...

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HadEnoughInCA [S] 3 points ago

No offense taken ... I am not at the point where I am ready to take up arms. It may be a dicey proposition whether all or even most of this country's problems can be solved at the ballot box. Perhaps more so than at any time in the past 150 years. But I would certainly like to see that route exhausted first.

Meantime, I also do not want to be on the wrong side of the fence if/when the leftists here decide to try something really stupid, which is looking more like a "when" than an "if." I don't know whether they'd be dumb enough to actually try seceding, or just start something like mass confiscations to support their socialist wet dreams, but either way I want no part of it.

I am fully prepared to say HORSESHIT, though. I didn't want to do anything that would be frowned upon in the post title, but I guess I should've figured that since this isn't Reddit with their double secret probation, no one has to worry about that anymore.

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Dudemanfoo 3 points ago

No offense taken fren!!!

I'm READY as are a massive amount of other pedes out there for when we have to take up arms... thanks to Jefferson / Washington / Adams and co...

But I'm not going start it... I think if hillary would have won... we would have needed it before 2030... Now that Trump has won... he may have given our republic another 50 years...

But I think it is time to let Needlemeyer and Dean Wormer that this is an Indictment of the whole system and we are not going to sit around while they bad mouth the United States of America (humming patriotic song as I walk the fuck out)...

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CarGuru9898 1 point ago

You share many of my sentiments and I live in western NY. I’m at a tipping point and I guarantee at most I have 5 years left living here. Hopefully less.

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Cstriker01 1 point ago

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•Yuri Bezmenov, KGB defector on how the soviets started the U.S. down the socialist path https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA

•JBP (Dr. Jordan Peterson) on Marxism short and long, VERY interesting: https://youtu.be/HXBjVau1w7Y and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDRgMUoEvcg

•PragerU on political islam https://youtu.be/Y9Enx4XxO1E and https://youtu.be/5AkAGc5nOXw

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•Thomas Sowell on economic myths https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WYp5xmvI

•Bernie Sanders in Nicaragua on communism https://youtu.be/n1gC_fIuqpw

•Sanders gave support to the sandanistas in Nicaragua https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/05/28/bernie-sanders-supported-socialist-sandinistas-honeymooned-in-ussr/

•Tommy Robinson lecture at Oxford https://youtu.be/_YQ94jFg_4A

•”DHS Whistleblower Phil Haney exposes Obama administration during Press Conference" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ5B4RRicag

• Milton Friedman on immigration: https://youtu.be/3eyJIbSgdSE

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• Project VERITAS GOOGLE exposure of election meddling and censorship: https://youtu.be/5wo6iOWlDXA

• Breitbart before his murder, on the Frankfurt School and their anti western Marxist roots: https://youtu.be/mWgkYv-JOGA

• C.S. Lewis on pacifism, moral subjectivism, and equality: https://youtu.be/k2xY2k26HFo and https://youtu.be/TxL7U6JN2qs and https://youtu.be/Lgcd6jvsCFs

And for fun! https://youtu.be/E-HA7rj_peg

Crowder for fun! https://youtu.be/oss7KmiHLmA

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kcfreels 1 point ago

Taxes are the answer.