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nothomo 50 points ago

oh that's what they're doing

they're putting COCKTAILS of drugs into people. like 10 different things, so when people get better they can be like, "we don't know if the hydroxychloroquine cured him.... it could be ANYTHING"

fucking charlatans

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LadyWhoLovesTrump 42 points ago

The other thing they are doing is waiting until the patient is on a ventilator to start giving them the hcq. They need to start giving it earlier to give people a better chance!

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TruthIsForceOfNature 30 points ago

This right here. The preliminary studies showed that people who get it early don't even need a ventilator. Why aren't we doing this, is there not enough of the drug in stock right now?

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AlohaSnackbar 11 points ago

Cooking the books? I'm relatively agnostic on the drug combo, but IF it works and you wanted to downplay it, giving it only to the most dire would be a good way to do it. The worse the patient is, regardless of efficacy of treatment, the higher the likelihood of death. They don't need the results to fail, they just need it to not demonstrably succeed.

Again, that's IF. But that would be the reason.

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Troll 4 points ago

More likely it's about money. Need a ventilator = large hospital bills.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago

I know there was plenty of it available as of two weeks ago. I'm not sure if there has been any change in that since people are finally pulling their heads out of their asses and using it. Some states are still restricting its use.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 4 points ago

Exactly. It is unconscionable to deny a treatment consisting of common, inexpensive drugs with well known side effects and contraindications when it could save lives and prevent hospitalizations. It's not like this is some risky or expensive treatment option. They should be starting that treatment immediately when someone is diagnosed.

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habanero 3 points ago

Yeah, my already low opinion of the medical profession is being re-adjusted a few notches further down by this retarded behavior. It's as though they want their patients to get worse so they could then charge them hundreds of thousands of dollars in ICU bills. Maybe the president should impose a limit on the cost of treatment? Say, hospitals can't charge more than $5K per patient. That'll stimulate the uptake of less invasive measures and cheaper drugs.

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xiao_maga_part2 16 points ago

I'll go with the doctor that is going on Laura Ingraham's show who is using just using the cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, z-pack and zinc to treat his patients with 100% success rate so far.

Let's put 10 medicines in your body not to give Trump credit only for you to develop cancer in 5 years from now.

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Mr_Beanths 11 points ago

We all know that’s what they’re doing. But the common thing found in all of this is hydroxychloroquine.

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Oppoboycott 9 points ago

Now this is type of red pilled comment I love seeing. Cause when reading that, my mind went to the exact same place.

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45forever 9 points ago

That’s the impression I got. You have just found the spin, talking point, etc. At least for these initial weeks of success- we really don’t know which drug worked!

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MakeAmericaGreat9 6 points ago

What's the cocktail? Hydroxychloroquine, zpak, and zinc?

Because if this that cocktail, that's what we know works.

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45forever 1 point ago

No, I’m not referring to the 3 med combo solution that works. The article lists several other meds, to suggest they tried to many to tell what worked.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 2 points ago

Well, antivirals have already been shown to work too, so I can't blame them for using them as well. If I was that sick I would want an antiviral and the combo.

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ChuckedBeef 8 points ago

That article went all out to downplay the drug

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drmcnulty 7 points ago

Sounds like he was in ARDS. In that case, I suspect the HCQ/Zpak combo is less effective, but I bet it helped. I think the IL6 modulators they gave him probably saved him. In ARDS, the biggest issue is out of control inflammation, not necessarily the virus. Very happy he's alive, but this unfortunately isn't helpful for the NY study on HCQ/Zpak. This needs to become an OUTPATIENT study only.

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 3 points ago

Agreed on all points.

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nothomo 18 points ago

no, dickhead. they're purposefully loading the patients with OTHER SHIT so that when they're cured they don't have to admit that it was the trump drugs that cured them

they can say it was something else, or they just don't know what did it

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Jack_Burton 6 points ago

I hope the TDS sufferers will all hoard the IL6 inhibitors and the same people can get HCQ easily.

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45forever 15 points ago

Did you read the article? Just curious. For the record, no one is disagreeing with you that the drug works. What this article says, unfortunately, is that they don’t know which drug helped this guy because he got sooooo many. We do know, or do believe it was the hydroxychloriquine. But the message from this piece is, meh, we’ll never really know....

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2016again 1 point ago

I don't think they get your sense of humor.

Chloroquine is the answer to all of this. We got lucky this time.

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Rob_Belmonte 20 points ago

Listen Lat, you're just a lying pony-faced dog soldier. These poisons have nothing to do with pushups and leg hairs, malarkey all around.

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Jack_Burton 6 points ago

“”And say hi to your son for me, toaster!” -Joe Biden

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ObongoForPrison2020 6 points ago

Let's do push ups, Other Biden!

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Mrsattorney 19 points ago

The following is a link to a Laura Ingraham segment in which infectious disease specialist Dr. Stephen Smith concludes that with the use of hydroxychloroquine, we are seeing "the beginning of the end of the pandemic." https://video.foxnews.com/v/6146455701001#sp=show-clips

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trumplandslide 10 points ago

^^^THIS

We have evidence the cure works from this doctor, from France, from South Korea and another New York doctor who in his interview with Rudy Giuliani describes how he used with 100% success rate on 699 patients.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJdjhd_XG8&fbclid=IwAR20d-GQsyYsl8QXd8H0OF5qDEUKmoSanh-Eit919HGeC_fLJxGXD1fr0VE

If we want to save the economy we have to push the right solution.

Real Cure = Problem Solved = End of Shutdown

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NetscapeNavigator 4 points ago

He said he's doing tele-health with remote nurses in that interview he did with Giuliani. With a few nurses on staff or working with patients who had their positive tests done elsewhere, handling that amount of patients on video calls is certainly feasible. Especially for followups where it's just a brief discussion.

It's also very much not the traditional approach and is anything but a clinical setting. I get the reticence to accept such results as proper research, but expedience is really important here. At least the proper research is being done at scale now, and the worst outcome I've heard of thus far is that it hasn't saved everybody who it was tried on when treatment started well after they were already a mile up shit creek.

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IAbsolutelyDare 3 points ago

He's doing tele-health because he had a lung issue and is self quarantining. He also has two clinics, hence the high numbers. Good to be skeptical though.

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NocturnalPatrol 4 points ago

Everything is so FUBAR right now, I'll take knowing when the peak is going to be. Even that would be better than "nobody knows anything, it's all speculation," which is all we've gotten over the past three months.

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Mrsattorney 2 points ago (edited)

Yes. Rush Limbaugh has been talking today about how we are experiencing government by modelling now.

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NocturnalPatrol 1 point ago

I'm not sure what he means by that, but one thing I do know is, we were never really free. We always lived at the mercy of the state, and the illusion of liberty has merely fallen away.

I honestly don't know if I can celebrate Independence Day anymore after this. Or Memorial Day, or Veterans Day. They literally fought and died for something that doesn't even exist, and never existed.

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Get-schlonged 7 points ago

Glad to hear he'll get back to sword fighting with his Husband in no time.

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bellamy 0 points ago

Yeah, he's a good guy though. The legal world would have lost a good mind if he succumbed.

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Jack_Burton 6 points ago

Poor little 2 year old.

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mdfl 6 points ago

It's not just "anecdotal" anymore:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-stephen-smith-on-effectiveness-of-hydroxychloroquine-with-coronavirus-symptoms-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic

Maybe we could take this and the data at CMS for existing patients coded for RA/Lupus already on Plaquenil to see how many, if any, have gotten Covid19 or died from it while on the regimen. There's your damn data (Tony) so you can quit screwing around doing a long drawn out study and start doing something.

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sir_rockness 4 points ago

If I get put in the hospital I'm going to be punching doctors in the face until I get my Z-pack and HCQ

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NvJohansson 4 points ago

If anyone is wondering why azithromycin, an antibiotic, is used to kill a virus? It has been shown to have some antiviral effects with such viruses as zika, but its mostly used for its anti inflammatory proprieties giving it great synergy with hydrochloroquine.

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SadPangolin 5 points ago

Also, one of the easiest ways to die from viral pneumonia is to catch a secondary bacterial infection while your body is already struggling with the viral infection. So antibiotics are a good idea anyway.

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NvJohansson 2 points ago

Yup. Thats what the left doest understand, once you're a weakened from a viral infection, you're much more prone to any bacterial infection.

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JamesSunderland 4 points ago

This is ridiculous. The antibiotic is to prevent secondary infections by opportunistic bacteria. The myriad of antivirals they administered are not what's doing the legwork. The secret sauce is the hydroxychloroquine and they are clearly trying to mask it's effects from the results but not going with the simple and established Hydro/Antibiotic/Zinc combo.

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jive-ass-turkey 2 points ago

This makes me think anyone that calls themselves a "journalist", with any shred of intellectual integrity remaining, would probably have conferred with a medical doctor about the drug cocktail's impacts and efficacy before "reporting" on it.

Since this person obviously didn't, which we can surmise pretty readily simply from the absence of the quite germane fact that secondary infection is the main catalyst for the overwhelming majority of antibiotic administrations, that makes this an editorial opinion piece. And a poor one at that.

They pay them for this?

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h3xAd3c1m4L 3 points ago

We should be gathering as many articles and videos about the success of Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin so we can educate our friends and families. My co worker who's uncle just passed away from this Chinese Virus had NO idea this was even a thing. I'm hoping more people wake up about this.

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Verrerogo 2 points ago

David Lat is 44 years old.

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Trumpede 1 point ago

That's the scary part.

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Belleoffreedom 1 point ago

“My heart rate still tends to spike over 100 even for something as simple as walking 15 feet to the bathroom,” he added. “But that’s to be expected given what I’ve been through over the past three weeks.”

This is lung damage. This therapy should be started earlier, to PREVENT lung damage.

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katsumi27 1 point ago

Why are they taking antibiotics for a virus?

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NvJohansson 4 points ago

Because it has anti-inflammatory proprieties working in synergy with the hydrochloriquine, it also has some anti viral properties since it was shown to kill the zika virus. And also most people who fall sick from such a strong virus will have a weaker immune system and will have a tendency to will develope bacterial infections in lungs, ears, sinuses etc... so this will protect them.

Look, I'm not really a doctor but I pretended to be one on Facebook for over 5 years, so I think I know what I'm talking about.

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MeatloafFvck 0 points ago

We don't have enough of the drug yet, we are buying time with the lockdowns as they ramp up production

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