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WheeeeeThePeople 214 points ago

Fuck the left...so much pork.

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UpTrump 125 points ago

Repubs didn't have to agree and Trump doesn't have to sign, yet he will

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TheMAGAnificent 73 points ago

We all hate pork, unfortunately it's all part of politics, it's all part of the game, a game the American taxpayer ultimately pays.

Either way, Trump's approvals are up, and this is pretty much guaranteed his re-election. I'll take that as a victory.

Just think what Hillary would've done in this situation. 2.3 trillion and it's all pork, or incompetent hand outs.

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Razeontherock 126 points ago

I disagree that this somehow "guarantees" his re-election. Don't minimize the DNC's voter fraud! They're going to engage in that like never before. And their coup attempt never stopped. We may need a big igloo to put that on ice.

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BoughtByBloomberg 69 points ago

Agree. Every eligible voter will need to come out and support the president in Florida just to offset Broward county fraud.

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Razeontherock 25 points ago

What can we do to catch the fraud red handed and make for an honest COUNT?

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HEXEN 17 points ago

Stand there and watch the fuckers. Nothing prevents ordinary people from video taping polling places and their workers.

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iwasbuiltforcomfort 28 points ago

Broward uses mail in ballots to commit their fraud. They find boxes of ballots all over in places like airports.

If Matt Gates can catch them on film breaking the chain of custody and still, nothing happens. I don't suspect, outside of DeSantis removing their head of elections, that anything can be done.

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Paperbagpatriot 9 points ago

I LOVE this idea. I'm not in Florida but maybe if we all go to the polls with our phones and act like James O'Keefe, recording people (which is legal in public places) we can stem some of the fraud.

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jaaardstyck 2 points ago

Plenty of states have laws against just this because it is viewed as voter intimidation.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

You're not talking about the vote COUNT. That takes place in highly restricted circumstances, after all the voting is done. The polling places here are managed quite well, and fraudulent votes don't have much chance to be cast. Even so, poll observers need to go through proper channels. You can't just show up like black panthers.

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BoughtByBloomberg 5 points ago

The absolute BEST way is to volunteer to do the ballot counting yourself. If you live in the area look up your local board and volunteer. Wear a go pro whilst you do it to record anything you see XD

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27Sandino 4 points ago

There should be a nationwide organized group like Veritas with hidden cameras posing as undocumented immigrants trying to vote blue in November.

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Excellent idea!

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Cantshadowbanthemall 21 points ago

Check my submission, there is more analysis to do but 100% he can lose by fraud

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CQVFEFE 8 points ago

That would result in civil war, probably

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Magadeth 13 points ago

right, like they havent fucked us over with enough including this bill. american sheeple will do nothing

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago

Only if you catch it. Like I said, I need to do the numbers

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AndrewLB 10 points ago

Back prior to 2018, i predicted that the dems would win those midterms largely due to fraud and that nobody would be prosecuted. Why? Because Trump didn't want them to know he was onto them, so they'd double down in 2020 to ensure a Trump defeat that they'll be caught so bad it will be the end of their party.

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KickingPugilist 10 points ago

And what was done since? In any capacity? Over anything regarding voter fraud, the coup, spygate, etc?

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CQVFEFE 7 points ago

I've read the same thing. But I don't know now.

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LordSluggo 6 points ago

TICK TOCK

Yeah, no thanks

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

God I hope you're right! I'll never believe 2018 were fair elections.

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spezisacuckold 3 points ago

I love how every time here's something big in the news ("Trump stepping foot in NoKo, killing Generous Quiche Salami, killing al-Baghdadi, getting a Supreme Justice confirmed, etc etc) people here like clockwork flock to say "THIS will surely secure President Trump's re-election!"

Like, what changed between now and the last time you said that? It's literally the inverse to people that say "THIS will surely bring down Drumpf!"

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CSI_Tulsa 18 points ago

Still waiting on somebody getting prosecuted. Plenty of individuals to choose from.

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Hillarys_Diaper 13 points ago

COVID-19 should have revealed to you that America is collapsed. While we were thinking America would collapse economically, it turns out its collapse would be socially. China and the left and their lapdog media have created 1+ Million welfare recipients. Even though most of these folks will quickly get off of welfare. This was a Beta Test of the left's crowd control wing. It has all of the characteristics of an engineering test. Systems integration test for crowd control. Get right with Jesus.

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WEWLADSDALWEW 4 points ago

Dude, I think skepticism is a good thing, but in this particular case, I think you're dealing with a good old fashioned real life issue. Far too many moving parts and points of failure to be some kind of op. Remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you...the world can be full of schemers and criminals and oppressive government regimes, but nonetheless there still are real issues that crop up, right?

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MAGAngelo 1 point ago

Can you please elaborate further on what you are seeing that signifies an engineering test? I’m not familiar but am intrigued. Would love to better understand what you’re seeing.

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CQVFEFE -1 points ago

COVID-19 should have revealed to you that America is collapsed.

It kind of looks like it should have revealed to you the exact opposite.

President Trump daily praises the people for coming together as one in combatting this Chinese import. I join with him. Won't you consider joining us?

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Captnleapster 1 point ago

Plenty are behind the scenes. People need to stop thinking they are going to perp walk high profile players on tv or something.

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ex67v 3 points ago

Yeah you're right. They only perp walk non-democrats.

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HEXEN 16 points ago

LMAO And just who are you going to vote for? Trump is clearly still the best choice, despite any misgivings. And now you can only cite no new wars as his only promise delivered? GTFO. What are you even doing here?

There will be times like this where he makes decisions you don't like, but he HAS to play ball. He's practically fighting the entire fucking world, it's legacy institutions and all it's shit media. Once they all collectively throw their grenades into beguilement minefield, their stupid fucking game must be played.

Or do you really think he'd pick up voters by telling America: "Suck it up! No relief is coming! Deal with it. We're going to shut down the economy, with each state doing there own lockdown and restrictions while providing no liquidity in assets, loans or funding. Oh, and congress still gets paid with your money. Thanks for playing!"

He loses the next election, some stupid Dem gets in there and passes the shit anyway lol.

So I'd rather get some of my own tax money back, because it's mine, and see the deficit balloon, because no one seems to care about it anyway, than to watch the economy stall, get laid off and watch the Dems twist this into some demented victory for themselves.

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WEWLADSDALWEW 3 points ago

Not to mention that Trump clearly acknowledges and sees this as a real issue to be dealt with. He routinely calls the media and other countries and Democrats and even the GOP out when they're trying to promote fake crises to suit their own ends. The fact that he didn't in this case just might suggest that, you know, there actually is something to this.

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Magadeth 3 points ago

remember when Trump said America would never be a socialist country? Well now are printing money just like the Weimar Republic. Excited to bring a wheelbarrow of money to buy breaD?

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CQVFEFE 2 points ago

remember when Trump said America would never be a socialist country? Well now are printing money just like the Weimar Republic. Excited to bring a wheelbarrow of money to buy breaD?

Way to act like this is permanent socialism, instead of a temporary measure for a few weeks till a virus blows over.

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CQVFEFE 6 points ago (edited)

So taking the Dow from 18k to almost 30k he gets no credit fot?

Corp tax cut from 35 to 21 percent?

No more Fuckbamacare mandate?

Over 100 miles of new wall?

End of the death tax?

Prison reform, which has tripled his support among blacks?

Ending "sanctuary city" funding?

Rebuilt and re-armed our military?

VA accountability and VA choice?

All no good...because virus?

Pretty weak, dude.

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NotRealDemSocialism 16 points ago

No it's not

Put a fucking foot down

People are paying attention

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SR91Aurora 10 points ago

pork hot dogs

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Hillarys_Diaper 5 points ago

Extra pepperoni on pizza.

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RonPaulWasRight 7 points ago

Fuck that, we're 20 points down so recruit everyone you know and VOTE.

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NvJohansson 3 points ago

Cunt Pelosi went on PBS and lied about restructuring the senate bill to make it trickle up instead of down to the workers. Why a dumb bitch, as if the senate would even let her change one word.

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RosieODonald 3 points ago

Their base mobilizes on pure stereotype and retarded slogans.

It's like they were bred to be slaves.

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NotaRussian_Bot 2 points ago

defeatist, pandering attitude is why it is.

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BestTimeToBAlive 1 point ago

She prob would’ve gotten sick w the Wuhan flu... and we’d have creepy kaine running the task force instead of VP Pence. Omg 😖

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NvJohansson -1 points ago

It's kind of funny that Andrew Yang ran his whole campaign on giving Americans money, and now it's Trump is doing it.

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RosieODonald 3 points ago

Pandemic relief is not the same as a permanent check

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CajunYankee 2 points ago

I don’t know shit about politics but line veto?

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WEWLADSDALWEW 1 point ago

Shot down every time it's been brought up. Was a part of the Confederate constitution, for what it's worth. Not a power the President of the United States has.

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UpTrump 2 points ago

And rightfully so. Imagine that being used against us

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randommemefarmer 40 points ago

on the flip side, Trump with get credit for the "free money" come election.

The dems buy the elections, about time the republicans got some of that windfall.

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mikeroolz 79 points ago (edited)

Yeah, but... fuckin' $2 trillion.

I have to blame the media for stoking this panic though. Sucks when anyone dies, but I'd just like to point out that like 30,000 people died under Barry Hussein Soetoro from H1N1 without spending $2 trillion and an inordinate panic that ended up stopping the entire economy.

1,000 people have died from Xi Jinpeng's Kung Flu Wuhan Coronavirus. Yet compare the media's fear mongering between these two pandemics.

Trump kinda has no choice but to do this because of the situation we're in, but we're going to pay for this down the road. Bigly.

We just added 10% to the national debt with one bill.

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ALargeRock 26 points ago

Because it was the government that ordered the shut down. Hard to live in a free market when government orders your shop to close...

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NotRealDemSocialism -10 points ago

You're supposed to close on your own dipshit

This is like a hurricane, you're supposed to evacuate

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 13 points ago

As someone in WA state Seattle area I've never been in a hurricane, let alone a global health and financial crisis that I'm likely to be laid off from due to this state banning construction for two weeks... And everything was fine 2 weeks ago. So what was I supposed to do? Board my windows up like in a hurricane?

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CQVFEFE 2 points ago

Like with a cloth?

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HEXEN 2 points ago

Do hurricane victims not get relief funding?

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jaaardstyck 1 point ago

They absolutely do. Not only from FEMA but also other federal aid. Okay, so this virus isn't exactly destroying property, but it is affecting livelihoods. Businesses like restaurants, which are very dependent on day-to-day income, are shutting down. People are filing for unemployment. There's no real sense of when we'll get back to full, real-world productivity.

Thing is though, we will. We will come roaring back from this setback because of the economic safety cushion Trump - and America as a whole - has built up over the last three years. If we were still in the real financial crisis brought on by the Obama admin, this would basically be the end of the country. Instead, it's a hiccup. Things will get sorted as long as we're even allowed to get back to work.

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WEWLADSDALWEW 1 point ago

Total freedom from them? In this case, people keeping their businesses open would (could) contribute to a public health crisis that could cost the economy trillions of dollars and could cost hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions (depending on the model) of Americans their lives. It is a balancing act, but at a certain point there is a role for government in public health/safety. I think we need to be extremely careful about it, but I do think there are legitimate times when they should get involved. That's why it matters who is in charge of the government.

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PurestEvil 0 points ago

There were 2 paths to go from the disaster: More government or less government.

I think the biggest fear was to go the route of more free market, because assume the virus is over and the freedoms last a little longer, and the economy booms like never before. Then when they'd want to reenact the old tax burdens and regulations, people might revolt. Or a clear argument would have been given for free market in general.

I don't think Trump ever had the option to go that way, the entirety of the government including many/most Republicans would turn against him. That said I am not sure if that's what he'd want anyway...

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 6 points ago

We ain't revolting over shit. Bend over and take it, that's what the American public is good at.

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Barbs 3 points ago

No, we’re good at stepping up when asked. For people who claim to love our country there sure seems to be a lot of you who have an extremely low opinion of it.

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 2 points ago

I love the idea of our country. And what it once was. I won't apologize for believing (knowing) that we aren't gonna make it a hundred years. Didn't happen overnight. We have willingly given away our rights decade after decade. I'm as guilty as anyone on TD. It is what it is. I'm just telling you the sky is blue.

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 1 point ago

And here you go :

https://thedonald.win/p/FMJVLei8/x/c/HEbrMBGc

For people who claim to love the ideals our country were founded on, there's a lot of you who are fine watching them get shat on.

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WEWLADSDALWEW 1 point ago

Dude, Thomas Jefferson and all the revolutionaries themselves even said that the right thing to do is to endure this stuff if at all possible. Not everything is a line-in-the-sand issue, otherwise society would be one long, bloody civil war without end. Most Americans care about feeding their kids, keeping the AC/heat running, and being able to pursue their interests. This shut down has lasted what? Less than two weeks at this point? I'd say we're still well within the "patient endurance" phase.

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 1 point ago

I'm sure the founding fathers would love what America has become. Can't walk outside without getting taxed. 2A already eroded to shit. Licenses to breath. Presidential candidates being spied on. American citizens drone striked without trial. American taxpayers funding the whole world. Building border walls in other countries but not our own. Mass surveillance. Imminent domain. Endless wars unapproved by Congress. Endless debt. Journalists being spied on. Should I keep going? Corporate bailouts. Royal families. Rich "public servants". Ridiculously powerful executive branch. Quantitative easing. Inflation. Broken public schools that teach socialist propaganda. Two tiered justice system. Welfare state. Middle class sucked dry. Payroll tax. Loicenses to cut hair. Social security ponzi scheme.

Feel free to argue that it's not that bad. I agree, sadly. Things could be worse and we are all just fat and content. But I think it's laughable to speak on behalf of the founders making that argument. They'd have been deemed domestic terrorists and locked up a long time ago. IMO

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ChuckedBeef 26 points ago

2 Trillion. What is our country and our future worth? If this flips the house and gets Trump reelected, and I think it will, it's worth it. The left's inevitable 'investigation' into POTUS' handling of this situation will fail and make Trump even more popular.. Because how fucking lame can you get, and because he made the early call on closing travel to/from China AND his early call on Zpack+Hydroxychloroquine will prove to be correct and save countless lives.

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mikeroolz 23 points ago

2 Trillion. What is our country and our future worth?

No, I get that, but I'm saying the only reason our country/economy is even on the line is because the enemy of the people media scared the shit out of everyone so bad that they're too terrified to even open a window.

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ChuckedBeef 11 points ago

This is true and the way to eliminate the problem is with real Patriots in control of the government again. If this moves enough people away from the left we can get new laws through congress to make propaganda illegal again and hold fake news accountable for their bullshit.

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CQVFEFE 2 points ago (edited)

and trump gave into it like a pussy.

Deported.

No pussy calls Trump a pussy and doesn't get deported.

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iVote 11 points ago

It’s not all gloom. It sounds to me like we are about to see a massive uptick in manufacturing and good paying manufacturing jobs. If we gear up for a tsunami of Made in America products I think we will come roaring back. There is a pent up demand for American made products. The Chinese virus has been a huge red pill crammed down the throats of our ignorant countrymen by showing them how vulnerable we are to other countries.

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BoughtByBloomberg 7 points ago

Yep, but look at it this way. Part of that money is in rebate form. Government basically went back to 2018 and slashed a chunk off the taxes there and rewrote it as a deficit.

Government will ALWAYS suck, but I think this is ALMOST as good as it could have been given the situation of an economy on the brink due to Chinese bioterrorism and government emergency declarations.

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EpicTrump 7 points ago

From another article: “I’m not saying the press is the enemy of the American people, but if they were what would they be doing differently from what they are doing right now?”

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Spezdrinksassjuice 5 points ago (edited)

Was it 30,000 or was it 17,000?

I keep getting mixed numbers

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mikeroolz 5 points ago

I'm not sure but I think I read 30k. Either way it's not even close.

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Spezdrinksassjuice 13 points ago

I keep seeing different numbers. 10,000 then 12,000 then 17,000 now 30,000.

Maybe if they wouldve covered it like they did this, we'd have known.

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Captnleapster 2 points ago

60.8 million cases and around 12,600 deaths for H1N1. That just USA alone not worldwide numbers.

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Barbs 0 points ago

And if you apply even the lowest mortality rate of 0.7% to that for COVID19, you’re talking about around 500,000 people. Yet for some reason people think that’s equivalent to the 15-20K deaths from H1N1.

But it’s expected that around triple that amount will actually catch COVID19, so we’re looking at around 1.5 million who will eventually succumb to this.

And yet people think that the President could just ignore that. Plus if he ignored it you could double or triple that figure too. Mortality only stays that low if you stay on top of it.

That is just USA alone and not worldwide numbers.

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NPCNN 5 points ago

That's what I was saying. They only pushed this make our country enter more debt.

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Highdra 4 points ago

I'm not saying shut the economy down but this is so much more deadly and is killing so many people so much quicker than swine flu. It's not even comparable.

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

mikeroolz, not 1,000 dead yet, but last 3 days were 130, 200+, and 140 some. So we'll be over 1000 soon. But the stark comparison to Obummer is valid, as always.

We didn't add 10% to the National debt, because it was already over 23T. But yes the rest of the world is watching, and hating us for this. We're just effectively poofing into existence over half a million dollars for every man woman and child in the US.

What if that were the whole 'stimulus?' Everybody knows that would be immediate inflation, big time. Our USD has been killing it, almost inexplicably. This will put a stop to that. This could seriously put us all in the poor house.

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HEXEN 2 points ago

Thanks for recognizing he basically HAS to make this decision. There are so many shills and trolls here ready to shit on him for this, but it's literally the best decision he could have made considering all the circumstances. The economy, the media's lies, the world stage watching etc.

I'm wondering if we don't have a crop of Shareblue faggots in here. As I said, so many are shitting on him without realizing or calculating the context. Did not expect to see that garbage here.

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Captnleapster 2 points ago

This is incorrect.

Wuhan is still controlled by Jiang and that is who orchestrated this virus.

Xi has been fighting Jiang internally since he became president. Xi really only controls part of the north and Beijing, Jiang literally owns Wuhan and shanghai as well as much of southern China.

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NuclearPony 2 points ago

Most of that debt is to china. Seems like a good time to renegotiate that debt...

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Ryoten 10 points ago

When the virus is a done deal, i have a feeling Trumps gaze is heading towards China. I think we may even get a presidential oval office address to inform the American people what they did. They cannot go unpunished.

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HrvyWnstnDdntKllHmsf 6 points ago

It’s not though. 70% of US government debt is held by US individuals and institutions.

China only holds 5%.

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DoYouBelieveInMAGA 2 points ago

Shows how easy they can do this shit. And the House of Reps gets 57k per member according to a post here.

Talk about bullshit.

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BoughtByBloomberg 11 points ago

You're getting more back than you would have without the plan. But that's not why the plan is being put into action.

This shutdown is essentially government mandated. In other words government is ORDERING economic damage to be done. So without the loans, the expansion of unemployment and other measures the end cost would be larger.

Namely you'd be paying more taxes for all the people claiming unemployment permanently after this government mandated shutdown ends.

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

There's no rebate function here. There's no "getting back."

Deficit spending comes out of who's pocket?

Yours and mine. I can't believe you think this is somehow a good idea. Imma go hurl.

China knew about HCQ 15 years ago. Why don't we have any yet? You, me, every man woman and child in the US. Then send everybody back to work. No need to panic that way. No chance to "swamp the healthcare system." No panic about mass death.

No 2T added to national debt.

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BoughtByBloomberg 1 point ago

The check functions AS a rebate. Which is why they base it off 2018 and if you did't file you ain't getting a check.

I think it's a good idea because there is no other option THAN allowing the Democrats their big victory moment.

Here's reality... it's all toy money.

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

All toy money yes. Who's toys are they? And what are they planning to do after they bring the US populace to its knees?

This has all been planned since 1913, if not before. They've been growing impatient with us not giving up yet, which is why our society has gotten so polarized. Deliberate divide and conquer strategy.

Don't cooperate with their plan, and don't walk into their trap!

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Captnleapster 1 point ago

Still need to fix half the population since it’s been brainwashed. Hard to revolt when most don’t know anything about law or history and stare at Netflix or video games all day going brain dead

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liberalfetchmycoffee 7 points ago (edited)

Say it with me new guy:

“Taiwan is a sovereign nation.”

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White 5 points ago

CHINESE VIRUS

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BerniePanders 0 points ago

After revolution low caste stayed in China and eat live rats and upper caste fled to taiwan

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freespeech4all 31 points ago

350mil for refugee settlement is the worse. NOTHING to do with the virus.

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catatonic_frog 12 points ago

They must be planning another Minnesota

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eplettner 11 points ago

I've been through the bill and this is the leanest emergency relief bill I've ever seen by far. The few million in their of pork is nothing compared to the over 2 trillion in support to the American people.

350 Million compared to 2,200,000 Million 0.01% you are complaining about literally nothing

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StrongMan2711 6 points ago

Excuse me but I think you mean to say is that it's the great value sausage of legislation. Please don't compare Jimmy Dean sausage to something as filthy dirty and diseased as congress after all pigs are more honest than politicians.

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TheRealBarron_Trump 6 points ago

Any source on the pork? I'm trying to find answers and I cant find anything

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BoughtByBloomberg 6 points ago

The pork seems to be mild. Can you give a list?

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Khryn 3 points ago

Not sure how MILLIONS to the Peace Corps is helping Americans suffering from the Pandemic.

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themightykekfish 2 points ago

I read most of the bill I think a lot of that was counter op for the Democrats. It’s a pretty lean bill

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NvJohansson 1 point ago

How much pork? None for the illegals l hope?

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altaG12 1 point ago

What was the pork in the passed bill?

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ProfessorRomendev 1 point ago

I’ve been hearing some conflicting stuff about this. Wasn’t the bill trimmed down after a load of backlash? There’s still loads of pork I’m sure, but it is ‘better’ now, right?

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White 3 points ago

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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RahkeemTheMachine 136 points ago

$1200 for the guy who lost his 75k job

Jack shit for the guy who lost his 100k job

$300 million for refugees

It’s almost time boys

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duck__man 53 points ago

It’s worse. $1200 for the guy who kept his 75k job. Nothing for the guy who lost a 100k job.

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NotRealDemSocialism 10 points ago

Except for ui

I swear, why was this necessary, if you liist your job just file for unemployment insurance. That's what it's there for.

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Wsemenske 11 points ago

Yeah as someone lucky enough to be working in a field that gets more job security in this situation, I feel weird that I'll be getting this check. I don't really need a stimulus. I'll use it to pay off some debt I guess.

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Djpele12 10 points ago

In my instance, my girlfriend's (we live together) job has taken a 2-4 week hold. While I don't fully agree with this stimulous package, the money will help us with rent in the short term, since she's technically out of a job for the time being.

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2_Scoops_ICE_cREEEam 4 points ago

It's for pumping back into the economy, local biz and such not to hand right back over to the banks man

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Whitemarlin 2 points ago

It’s based on your 2020 earnings in form of a 2020 tax credit. You simply get an advance based on an estimate of past earnings. Even if you make $100k you can still get a significant amount by contributing max to 401k and HSA in 2020

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duck__man 1 point ago

Is this something new? Last thing I heard yesterday was it was based off your 2018 (or 2019 if you filed already) return

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basedBlumpkin 33 points ago

$300,000,000 for "refugee resettlement"

Is this really true?

Fucking outrageous.

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lanre 18 points ago

Resettle then to fucking Afghanistan. I can't believe we're calling this a victory.

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BoughtByBloomberg 1 point ago

The victory is the massive small business protections in the form of loans, grants, tax credits and deferments.

All that it required to get Democrats to agree was to promise 300 mil for refugees. Not that it DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPENT! Pres Trump can just go "Haha, no we don't need to spend that money, just send them straight back."

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AbrahamLincoln 8 points ago

Can we resettle them back to their fucking home country?

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maximus_galt 7 points ago

If $0.3 billion is the only pork in this $2000 billion bill, I'd say we got off easy.

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Make_It_So 8 points ago

There is still some stupid pork but this bill cuts out the majority of the crap Pelosi was attempting to stuff into it. I agree with you.

From Fox News:

"Gone from the stimulus bill are mentions of mandatory early voting, ballot harvesting, requirements that federal agencies review their usage of "minority banks," and attempts to curb airlines' carbon emissions -- a Pelosi demand that even Saikat Chakrabarti, the former chief of staff to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and an author of the Green New Deal, called "ridiculous.""

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americathegr888 6 points ago

Except for the millions of "refugees" that vote 90% left and will be coming to turn the country into a third world shithole just like the one they left.

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BoughtByBloomberg 3 points ago

No the refugees are NOT being let in. The 300 mil is for "Corona" stuff with refugees. For example testing them before allowing them to apply entry or offering on site medical care in detention centers.

All of that money doesn't go to importing more refugees. At least not as long as the right president is in office.

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krzyzowiec 5 points ago

No, it’s not true. It’s $350,000,000.

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Spirit_of_Resistance 20 points ago

Each state has a senator that voted on it

Each senator has an office

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MakeAmericaGreat9 8 points ago

75k adjusted gross income right? On 2018 numbers? What are the details?

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Whitemarlin 2 points ago
  1. New tax credit based on 2020 taxable income.

  2. Amounts are $1,200 for individual, $2,400 per couple and $500 per dependent.

  3. Income limits are $75,000 for individuals, $112,500 for head of household, and $150,000 for joint returns before a phase out begins. You are completely phased out ($0 credit) at around $99,000 for an individual. Since this is based on adjusted gross income for 2020, your tax planning should start now. If you are right around the cusp of $75-$100k (individual) you may want to consider putting more money into your 401k this year to reduce your tax income and make sure you get more benefit from the credit.

  4. You will receive an advance on your 2020 tax credit based on your 2019 tax income as an estimate for your 2020 tax year. If you haven’t filed 2019 taxes yet you may use your 2018 tax year. If you don’t have either, social security benefits records can be used. No interest will be charged if they overpay you with your advanced payment.

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BoughtByBloomberg 4 points ago

150k for a joint filling. 112.5k for a head of household.

If you lost your 100k job you WILL get assistance if you have a family.

It is also a tax REFUND so you are getting a retrospective rebate on 2018 basically.

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BoughtByBloomberg 1 point ago (edited)

Business loans? So you run a small business?

Then you should read the Small Business relief section starting at 1106 and move down to 2301. Just Ctrl+F those numbers and you should be taken to the proper section. There are several loan programs and debt forgiveness clauses that may apply to you and these are transformed into grants if used for expenses during the Wu Flu shutdown. Payroll taxes are deferred. I think (because fuck me is that wording confusing) that limits on loss deduction are also removed so any lost money can be freely deducted over the 2020 tax fillings.

How the rebate works is that it is based of EITHER a 2018, 2019 or 2020 tax filling. It's just that 2018 is the one everyone has completed so it is the most likely one to be used. If you made less in 2019 you should apply it on that one. You can read up in section 2201.

Also if you made ABOVE 150k you get a reduced amount by 5% of the excess till 0, up to I guess about 180k filled jointly you still get a lower amount (30k above limit, 5% is 1500 deducted from 2400 from a joint filling means you get 900 bucks).

Sadly at 300k you are out of luck. However your wife being shut down should be eligible for partial coverage of her salary by her employer under this bill. Which they can then get a credit for. Wages up to 100k should be covered by the earlier mentioned loans/grants see Division A.

—In the case of an eligible em5 ployer, there shall be allowed as a credit against applicable 6 employment taxes for each calendar quarter an amount 7 equal to 50 percent of the qualified wages with respect 8 to each employee of such employer for such calendar quar9 ter

I'm not saying you're in a great situation and I get that the bill is a confusing mess and we still don't know every single measure that is being taken.

But it seems that you will get aid either in your wife's salary being partially covered due to shutdown and your business being eligible for emergency loans and deferment of payments.

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BoughtByBloomberg 2 points ago

I 100% agree with you about the government fucking you over, but my personal bias is also medical focused and I've seen the horrendous damage predictions if we didn't do anything. This is the second best scenario (the first best would have been a complete international lockdown of all travel from China in November).

The business loans spent specifically on rent, utilities, wages, etc seem to be covered as grants and eligible for forgiveness for that purpose. 50% of the wage as a tax credit actually REDUCES if you fire people.

So retaining as many people as possibly would give you the least damage, cause I can't call it a benefit, at least your damages will be mitigated as best as possible.

The best you can do is indeed get on the phone with a loan officer from the local Small Business Bureau soon as the bill actually makes it through the house.

Hell I'd almost advise you to relabel yourself as a dance studio so you can qualify for the bullshit grants to those people.

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BoughtByBloomberg 2 points ago

If it's a cooperation they should really consider filling the loan under the business. Explore registering it as an LLC with multiple partners which would insulate them from the debt.

That said I don't know the full situation and maybe selling your stake would legit be the smarter move, but then again I don't know. Silver lining would be that you could write off losses from the taxes.

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Cantshadowbanthemall 1 point ago

Can he EO that out?

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Barbs 3 points ago

If you don’t want to get your dumb ass deported I suggest you stop trashing the President all over the place. He knows what he’s doing, which is why he’s the President and you’re just some dumb jackoff screeching on our board.

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KRosen333 -4 points ago

Yeah I agree with you Hillary clinton would be a better President. We should all vote Democrat for now on.

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Johnfox13 1 point ago

I think it was adjusted prorated above that, so it wouldn’t be full $1200

If you are married though the limit is $150k before it is adjusted.

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Spezdrinksassjuice 74 points ago (edited)

No ballot harvesting or green new bullshit. Still some bullshit though. Think it would be better if we started using the H+A treatment, quarentining seniors still and turning the economy back on now and throwing this thing in the trash.

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duck__man 20 points ago

H+A are now referred to as Trump pills

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Spezdrinksassjuice 7 points ago

Haha okay thanks I'll keep that in mind pede

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xzars_folly 17 points ago

Proof of no ballot harvesting? Pelosi's bill had the boldest ballot harvesting provisions I've ever seen. If passed they would have ended any pretext of honest elections in the US.

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Spezdrinksassjuice 17 points ago

The Senate version is out there for people to read. It is posted on here if you look. Pedes have sorted through it and the harvesting has been taken out.

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Pumpingiron_Patriot 57 points ago

350m for asylum seekers and illegals. Are you fucking kidding me???

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UpTrump 36 points ago

Plus $50k raise for each house member (if I'm reading that correctly)

They shouldn't be allowed to vote on their own raises

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Josh 21 points ago

What? Please tell me this is a joke. They gave themselves a raise in the bill?

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UpTrump 16 points ago

Not a joke. Huge raise

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SuperPlah 1 point ago

no it's just a slush fund for their press tours they gives themselves this every year

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icedicks 10 points ago

Absolute rage

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Paperbagpatriot 5 points ago

You are right, they should not be allowed to vote themselves raises! But that's what you get with career politicians. We need term limits NOW!

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elc0 1 point ago

So did my friend making over 100k, with a legal resident wife (not yet a citizen), just get screwed?

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Pumpingiron_Patriot 1 point ago

Yuppers....

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White 43 points ago

These retards really think this is a "gotcha" moment for socialism. Can they not see the difference between a stimulus and full blown socialism.SMH

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UpTrump 37 points ago

So. Much. Pork. This bill makes me depressed

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eplettner 8 points ago

I've been through the bill and this is the leanest emergency relief bill I've ever seen by far. The few million in their of pork is nothing compared to the over 2 trillion in support to the American people.

350 Million compared to 2,200,000 Million 0.01% you are complaining about literally nothing

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White -1 points ago

It's not real money :D

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UpTrump 9 points ago

Then why do so many people care about our national debt

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White -3 points ago

because they have not taken any econ courses I guess?

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Spezdrinksassjuice 9 points ago

Can you explain your reasoning for why you think the national debt is unimportant?

I have a TDS ridden Uncle who screams about the national debt and id love to blow his mind with some facts on why the national debt is irrelevant

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duck__man 7 points ago

It will never be paid back.

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White 5 points ago

I didn't say it was unimportant, it's just more nuanced then that. Granted, I didn't take finance or economics (I did supply chain management), I did take some of those courses. It's not simple like a checkbook, and I am not an expert enough to teach it, but basically none of it is even "real". As long as the world backs the dollar we will never have any issue based on just the debt.

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Spezdrinksassjuice 3 points ago

Yeah my dad always tells me that they were talking about how people were worried when we would hit a billion dollars in debt, then 100 billion, etc etc....but life goes on. I'm not sure what would even happen at a certain point. Could you just hit reset and start it over?

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

The world isn't backing the dollar, it's backing away from it. We can be hit just as hard as Venezuela. 1500% inflation overnight is entirely possible.

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White 4 points ago

Also, the economy was doing amazing before the virus, unlike the other "bailouts" which were caused by gross negligence. This is really no ones fault.

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SWORDofLIBERTY 7 points ago

Bullshit, this is China's fault. China is Asshoe.

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UpTrump 6 points ago

This is China's fault

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Jammerculture 3 points ago

National debt is only unimportant as long as the countries GDP grows faster then it. So if a business takes a loan and uses it to make more money then it is a good loan. Same with government. Even with this bill where you have some bullshit like money for KENNEDY Center, that money will go to pay some douches salary and he will spend it, so it ends up still going into the economy, just in away that favours their friends.

So if this bill helps DJT get the economy going again and getting back to 3-4% growth, instead of a recession (negative growth) then it is money “well spent”

At least that is the theory

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UpTrump 5 points ago

Ah yes, the Kennedy Center, very important in china virus recovery

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krzyzowiec 2 points ago

Our money is fiat currency, literally created on bank terminals from debt.

If we paid off the national debt, we would have zero money in circulation. (credit created by lending is canceled out upon payment of the debt)

Notice how the debt is always increasing, and it is going into ludicrous amounts like trillions, which no one had ever heard of before?

Remember that millions used to be a lot of money? Then billions?

What’s happening is we have to continuously create new money in order to devalue the debt we created in the past.

That’s how we are able to sustain things as a nation. We literally could not pay for the size government we have now through taxes, so how does it get funded?

Expansion of the debt/money, which increase the supply of money and thus devalues old debt.

Consider this: maintaining an army is expensive. The only way it could happen in the past is constant conquering of neighbors to pay your soldiers, and yet every nation has a military today.

Having a standing army in peace time is incredible rare historically for the simple fact that paying soldiers to sit around is very expensive.

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lmao 2 points ago

money is the same as monopoly money. worth the same. it's just that we're pretending to be playing monopoly.

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Buttfart88 1 point ago

You're basically saying we pay for our government and military through inflation, which is incorrect.

The reason we can afford so much (such as a massive standing army) is because we have such an abundance of raw and refined materials. Which is what money represents. Standing armies were rare back in the day because the average person produced just enough for themselves. A farmer may produce barely enough food for his family and 1 other, but when you consider that farmer has to buy things from tailors, blacksmiths, and the government, there wasn't much "food" left over for a military.

Conversely, a farmer today can produce enough food for 1,000 people. A miner can mine enough ore for 1,000 people. We are unbelievably efficient thanks to machines and hyper specializing. Which is why we are all so insanely rich (comparing the amount of shit we have to people in any other time period) and why our government can afford a massive standing army.

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UpTrump 4 points ago

Or just liberal professors (more likely)

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White 0 points ago

I don't think any of my business school professors were liberal

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UpTrump 4 points ago

Where did you go? Gened econ class profs are extremely liberal, from my experience

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eplettner 1 point ago

Thank you pede, you are correct

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

GoldenEarz giving the etymology of "asshats"

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White 1 point ago

yeah, because that's the same as a stimulus bill because of a virus, in an economy that was doing amazing just a few weeks ago.

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Rothbard 3 points ago

Yeah cause this is socialism. Trump is forced into it due to herd psychology. He had to do it politically but its not good long term.

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LibertyorDeath45 1 point ago

Please do tell.

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StateFarmJeffsKhekis 43 points ago

Awesome, any pork in there?

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SD_Pede 79 points ago

If they voted 96-0 it's all pork.

They pat themselves on the back for giving away money we don't have that our children will have to pay back.

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Watch_TheKarma_Burn 38 points ago

When you owe the bank $1,000,000 dollars, you have a problem... when you owe the bank $1,000,000,000 the bank has a problem

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BladderBeerPoopin 20 points ago

This.

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ADAM_SCHITT 12 points ago

Only $6.4 trillion of our debt is held by foreigners. https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124

A default would mostly screw our own people.

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eplettner 2 points ago

You can selectively default. Reduce our debt to china by the same amount as it came from China and they lied about it. A 2.2 trillion bill to China sounds about right. Could add in a mental anguish payment for th hem withholding pharmaceutical supplies too.

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alpha_omega 6 points ago

I believe that quote is attributed to Trump right after the real estate crash in the 1990s.

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squarkle_bargle 2 points ago

You realize that the vast majority of the debt is owed to American people who own bonds?

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christianknight 1 point ago

The bank is the Federal Reserve! Audot the fed

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Rothbard 0 points ago

Yeah but when the bank is the government and they can use force to enslave you its back to being your problem.

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Watch_TheKarma_Burn 1 point ago

Nobody can use force to enslave me.

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White 2 points ago

naw, they won't

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BoughtByBloomberg 22 points ago

Nobody is ever paying that monstrous bill back. It'll just grow because our money is toy money. Just use it for as long as it has value and one day some president will reset the clock and issue new toy money.

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White 8 points ago

exactly... as long as the world backs the dollar we good. it's not like a simple checkbook. as long as we are world power we have no issue.

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Blackpiller 4 points ago

...Neocon alert?

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White 6 points ago

i am not a neocon, i am just pragmatic.

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Razeontherock 5 points ago

This is completely false. We could easily wind up like the Weimar Republic or Venezuela, our currency worthless.

Don't even think "it could never happen here." In short, this bailout is far more dangerous than Chinese virus could've ever hoped to be. Understand what our dollar is based on: the sentiment can vanish, and it has been. The closest tie to anything material is the petrodollar. Most Countries in the world have been getting away from that. What do you think BRICS is? Why do you think we're allies of Saudi Arabia?

Worse, this funnels money straight into the very causes that are used to destroy the US. This is what "they've" been up to with this whole manufactured crisis. Playing along with it is not how to win.

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BoughtByBloomberg 5 points ago

He is right though. The dollar has value because of world hegemon status. Just look at the stock markets. When did they crash? When the US got hit. Half of Europe was getting infected and shut down and nothing happened to it!

But the US got the sniffles? 30% DROP!

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christianknight 1 point ago (edited)

Hence the wars. This is gonna end badly

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UpTrump 8 points ago

Exactly. Our currency runs the world. We keep going into debt until some other countries have had enough

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ChuckedBeef 4 points ago

China owes us 2 Trillion, Trump will collect by tariff and canceling our debt to China.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

The whole world should agree that China owes a debt it can never repay, and:

1)default on all debt to China

  1. nationalize all Chinese investment in our Countries, sending all Chinese citizens back with a strict warning to never return

  2. boycott China

  3. make a military alliance that guarantees China never bullies anyone in the south China sea. That's the busiest trade route in the world. While we're at it China has been overfishing basically everywhere in the world's oceans. Put a stop to that too.

A 60 year initial commitment is a good short term goal.

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eplettner 2 points ago

I've been through the bill and this is the leanest emergency relief bill I've ever seen by far. The few million in their of pork is nothing compared to the over 2 trillion in support to the American people.

350 Million compared to 2,200,000 Million 0.01% you are complaining about literally nothing

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DemsH8America 35 points ago

$25 Million Dollar salary and expenses raise for the Democratic-Led House... FUCK PELOSI!!

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UpTrump 32 points ago

WHY ARE WE GIVING 350M TO REFUGEES AND ILLEGAL ALIENS (MIGRANTS)

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lifeisahologram 9 points ago

To help fight Coronavirus silly! Gotta pay muh refugees!

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_Cabal_ 6 points ago

"muh compromise"

It's disgusting, as are all the people here rationalizing this garbage.

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Yucky 3 points ago

People keep posting this without having read the bill (Which is 883 pages). They add extra amounts for many departments to:

"prevent, prepare for and respond to coronavirus"

This is done for the Peace Corps, and other agencies, as well as the refugee stuff.

Granted, I don't like seeing any money go to refugees, this is not about adding more, or giving them extra money. It's about dealing with what happens if there is an outbreak among refugees.

So yes, it's bad, but not nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. A lot of the bad pork was removed.

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christianknight 1 point ago

Peace Corp is a globalist org.

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eplettner 1 point ago

Depends on which beaurocrat it running it. Get a trumpocrat in that position and it may go to resettling refugees BACK to there countries

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eplettner 4 points ago

Its 0.01% of the bill leanest bill in history. There's a he facts

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iRubGuacOnMyArmpits 28 points ago

Bill is filled with pork. Search for "refugee", "kennedy", "sunscreen", "house of representatives salaries" and what not and you will be shocked as the stuff in there.

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UpTrump 20 points ago

Unfortunate that Trump won't veto

I wish GOP had a spine. Weak GOP is why our country will collapse or revolt soon

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ALargeRock 4 points ago

Strong men make good times. Good times makes weak men. Weak men make bad times. Bad times make strong men.

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UpTrump 3 points ago

We are right about in the "weak men make bad times" phase

civil war

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

Civil War calls for strong men. Globohomos have carefully been trying to create weak men for over 100 years.

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christianknight 1 point ago

Theres strongmen but it isnt us.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

Speak for yourself! Don't be a cowardly knave.

Deus vult!

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eplettner 3 points ago

350M <<< than 2,000,000M. It's pretty clean really

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Sunscreen? They put Coppertone in the CARES act? To go with their new pool?

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Barbs 0 points ago

The President said he personally agreed to the Kennedy Center funding. Is anybody actually watching the press conferences anymore?

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freespeech4all 27 points ago

25mil in house raises

75 mil for pbs and npr

Cause that helps against the fucking virus.... fuck these people

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Burn it! Burn mfer burn!! :(

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Yucky -1 points ago

People are blowing things out of proportion. The money for specific departments is usually allocated specifically for dealing with the Chinavirus, within that entity, if it affects them negatively somehow. Yes, it's not necessary right now, but it's also not the end of the world.

For an additional amount for ‘‘Corporation for Public Broadcasting’’, $75,000,000, to remain available through September 30, 2021, to prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus, including for fiscal stabilization grants to public telecommunications entities, as defined by 47 U.S.C. 397(12), with no deduction for administrative or other costs of the Corporation, to maintain programming and services and preserve small and rural stations threatened by declines in non-Federal revenues: Provided, That such amount is designated by the Congress as being for an emergency requirement pursuant to section 251(b)(2)(A)(i) of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985.

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lifeisahologram 21 points ago

The full text was posted here. There's a shit ton of Pelosi pork that made it in.

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eplettner 2 points ago

I've been through the bill and this is the leanest emergency relief bill I've ever seen by far. The few million in their of pork is nothing compared to the over 2 trillion in support to the American people.

350 Million compared to 2,200,000 Million 0.01% you are complaining about literally nothing

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DerpMcStuffins 12 points ago

This is what I really want to know...

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rommel79 10 points ago

Two TRILLION dollars on a bill they haven't had time to read. Sweet.

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UpTrump 7 points ago

You know it! They took out the worst parts but kept some absolute shit measures

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DerpMcStuffins 2 points ago

Perfect, thanks!

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Razeontherock 0 points ago

Mmmm, bacon.

We're going to regret that ...

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bakerlevi [S] 10 points ago

Not Piglosi's.

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Deaditewater 11 points ago

It's a nickname for the unrelated provisions that are added to bills. An example would be like adding funding for public zoos to a health bill. The funding for zoos would be considered pork

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UpTrump 39 points ago

I'm concerned about this. 100% of dem support means something bad is in there

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bakerlevi [S] 16 points ago

Or...no Dem could ever survive being the only one to vote to withhold aid to American people.

Not even their D base would accept

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UpTrump 23 points ago

I took a look and there is so much shit in there. I've gotta say I'm really disappointed the GOP let this through

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Razeontherock -1 points ago

How could any R think they could survive passing Yang Bucks?

Ds won this round, but it's not passed yet.

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technoraptor 7 points ago

There is 300,000,000 for asylum and refugees

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eplettner 2 points ago

They couldn't politicly hang on any longer they have almost no pork and this whole bill. The 350 million people are complaining about is only 0.01% of the cost of the bill it's literally nothing. Compared to any other relief bill in history this one is extremely lean and a lot of the payments are actually loans. I personally would have preferred it be more loans such as with the tarp because that was actually a profitable program for the US government but this one is not that badd enough are conomy starts up and gets backup to pace this is not an issue

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LibertyorDeath45 2 points ago

The fact that $350 million is nothing is the problem . . .

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Rothbard 1 point ago

Yeah, cause it is socialist. Its a democrat bill. Of course they pass no problem. Its giving away future generations wealth and indebting them might as well be Obama doing this.

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Buy_Pepe 37 points ago

Would love a good breakdown of the bill. I saw in another thread some pork (House of rep salary raises, refugee programs, and money going to the Kennedy Center). Does the good actually outweigh the bad? Genuinely curious as I'm not well-versed in this stuff.

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Razeontherock 24 points ago

I don't think frivolous spending unrelated to the crisis ever "outweighs" anything in a good sense. Why spend 2 TRILLION if what we need is 1/4 of that?

Our national debt is up over 23 T, so the extra isn't that big by comparison? That is the WRONG mentality, and it can ruin our standard of living as much as these other problems, but longer term.

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White 13 points ago

a lot of it is loans

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Razeontherock 8 points ago

Loans are actually ok. As much as I hate loans the interest rates are so low they're inconsequential, IF they're paid back before rates go back up.

That will never happen with our national debt. All according to plan.

We are being slaughtered. By the true financial elite that make the 1% look like paupers.

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eplettner 3 points ago

If GDP get to 4 or 5 % the debt is not an issue. Skip of forget that the deficit is only an issue if your GDP is low. The more you make the more you should borrow

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

It's true the ratio is significant. Don't think this is like normal finance though. Consider the goals of those ultimately holding the debt. They want to impose OWG, eradicating US and all our liberties and rights.

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WinnerPlaysTCU 5 points ago

If it’s the post with the link to the document, i responded to it. It’s possible he posted the wrong document

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SuperPlah 2 points ago

I read the whole bill it's pretty lean. Yes, money to keep federal institutions afloat. Yes a 25$MM slush fund for congress press tours/etc. (not a raise, just a slush fund) which is not a huge amount. 350$MM for 'migrants and refugees' is the worst part, but keep in mind citizen requirement for most everything else in there. 13$MM for Howard (black) university and millions for some other one (e: the deaf and blind school). Some $10MM funds for minority business blah blah. Not really much else. For a 2 trillion dollar bill it has very little pork. Billions to housing programs though, but without that I'm not sure some of the cities would last.

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duck__man -11 points ago

Kennedy Center is closed cos of coronavirus. I don’t mind them getting some money.

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williammcfadden 9 points ago

Kennedy Center awards are basically 95% accolades given to democrats.

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Cyer6 2 points ago

They did use it a few years ago to honor Led Zepplin.

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BeauBidenBrainTumor 36 points ago

Omnibus bills should be illegal. They do nothing but enable corruption. Oddly enough, the Confederate Constitution would be better than ours in this regard:

Article I, Section 9(20): "Every law or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title."

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IAbsolutelyDare 12 points ago

That would be such a great constitutional amendment.

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DeplorableCentipede 0 points ago

Great in theory, but it could still be perverted to allow omnibuses by saying that their subject is the entire annual budget.

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Razeontherock 7 points ago

Excellent! Why couldn't we have adopted that? Better than a line item veto, even.

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AlphaNathan 3 points ago

You know why.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

Deep state in 1866?

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BoughtByBloomberg 29 points ago (edited)

There is some pork in there for sure. But remember we're less than 1 year away from the next budget. This is an emergency measure and if you want to get rid of that pork later on you better make sure you elect the right people into office.

EDIT: Reading through it now. Seems the rumors of a congress pay raise did not pan out, this is more of an emergency expense fund it seems, think attending corona conferences in Europe to see the devastation for the INEVITABLE aid requests from that disaster zone. I don't see any vote by mail or ballot harvest stuff.

EDIT 2: Outside of yet another useless oversight committee and the fact welfare gets expanded, with a portion of money for refugees matters dealing with Wu Flu. It's super late so I'm not going through all >800 pages. But for now it seems to be meager on the pork.

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Jammerculture 11 points ago

It’s definitely reduced fat bacon but still pork lol

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BoughtByBloomberg 8 points ago

I 100% agree. It is not what I wanted. But what I want is one line I'll never get:

"Effective immediately all federal government activity is suspended until reconvened by the president of the United States."

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Razeontherock 7 points ago

Taking in refugees because they have Wuflu is ok HOW??

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BoughtByBloomberg 2 points ago

No, that's not what the fund is for. It doesn't say they have to be taken in. Think medical testing services for those asylum frauds, that money would come out of that fund.

But... the executive could just NOT spend the money and continue deporting them under the National Emergency provision.

That's why I'm saying it's "Okay" and not great. Money will DEFINITELY be wasted on useless shit in this bill. But if out of 2 trillion the waste is limited to a few billion that is a massive win RELATIVE for government.

Not happy about it, but I am not completely ready to flip a table like with the fucking house bill. Did you know Pencilneck Shifty is already lobbying for Hollywood bailouts? That's the shit THEY would have put in there!

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Good points. Thank you!

Look how much $ was appropriated by Congress for Obama's bailout, that never got spent. I hadn't thought of that angle.

Hollywood needs to be bailed out? The poor starving millionaires might need to clean their own pool?

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krzyzowiec 3 points ago

Search for tribal spending lol. It’s above a billion. It could always be worse though.

That and the refugee spending are problematic for me, rest of the bill seems fine.

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BoughtByBloomberg 2 points ago

Yep 100% agree, it's not great. But then again tribes are this weird thing we still have. I would personally be in favor of removing the system all together but what are you gonna do? You'd need to pass other laws first.

However they also need help. Same with the territories. If these funds weren't there Puerto Rico for example would get absolutely nothing, which wouldn't be right no matter how corrupt their government is.

Anyway mild pork is like already too good to be true and after people like Shifty and Jihad Barbie are done with it there will be lots more pork that hopefully the House minority can just vote down with help from the defector Democrats.

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siliconia 17 points ago

There was also that other large important bill he passed too, think it was the omnibus one. Basically every time there's one of these types of bills he passes it. That's why Reagan was an idiot in the long run for letting stupid shit like this pass.

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UpTrump 9 points ago

The Omnibus bill is really the only major disagreement I've had with what he's done

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Razeontherock 5 points ago

You do realize why he passed the Omnibus bill? Pressure not to shut down government. The previous budget resulted in a government shutdown so long that like one more day and he could've fired swamp critters at will. When he failed to do so I was all "there will be no justice."

He said he would never sign anything like that again. I wish he would've kept his word! I would've rather seen the whole government sent home. He was more concerned with re-election chances.

Bad strategy to wait to charge the coup perpetrators until after you hopefully get re-elected. Too much at stake. D's are obviously planning to cheat like never before.

This bloated bill is just one small piece of a very big picture. 1776

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lifeisahologram 8 points ago

The amnesty thing was BS!

Im just holding out hope the gloves are off in President Trump's second term.

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Jammerculture 5 points ago

Art of the deal states that when you make a deal where both sides are unhappy it is a good deal Meaning you have to give up some of what you have to get most of what you want.

This is how politics works unfortunately. If you want someone to vote on your thing, you have to include something that they want, money for something they have promised. If you want to change that then help Trump win the House in 2020.

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siliconia 7 points ago

None of this is my thing.

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Jammerculture 2 points ago

Yeah I don’t like it either, and definitely not saying it’s right

Just that it is

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_Cabal_ 8 points ago

This isn't the first thing I've disagree with him on, but it is the worst thing he will have done with his office to date, IMO.

If Obama signed this shit, we'd all be pissed.

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liberalfetchmycoffee 8 points ago (edited)

He can’t veto a bill that hits his desk 96-0.

The spineless GOP. I forget who made the quote:

“Progressives march us off to ruins and conservatives admire the ruins.”

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DeplorableCentipede 3 points ago

It wouldn’t have passed 96-0 if President Trump didn’t publicly endorse it.

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UpTrump 2 points ago

Civil fucking war

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White 5 points ago

Let's just see how the market responds.

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lifeisahologram 11 points ago

Well I'm sure it will respond positively. Still disagree with the premise of this loaded bill.

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White 5 points ago

I have mixed feelings. I hate it's filled with nonsense, but I know some people need help. Overall, I don't really care.

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lifeisahologram 9 points ago

Honestly I think we could have gotten by just tweaking existing unemployment to kick in within 2 weeks, instead of requiring the normal 8 weeks or whatever it is before you are eligible.

This way only people who are affected by job loss get money, without missing a pay period, using the existing unemployment insurance structures that employers paid into.

Of course with so many extra claims, and so suddenly, that'd be about all that needed to be funded by congress.

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White 3 points ago

I think the reason this is hard to do is because that is handled on a state level, and many of the states are using technology and infrastructure that is 30+ years old. Doing it on a federal level based on tax returns makes it easy to distribute.

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iamdone 2 points ago

I agree. Just get it out there for the people and move on from this.

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White 2 points ago

It's a lot of money, but the economy was amazing before the virus, so if this helps it recover that all that matters. It's not like we are bailing out failing industries due to negligence. All the bullshit added to it sucks, but in the end it doesn't really matter.

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whocaresguy420 4 points ago

Hope China pays out the asshoe

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White 3 points ago

china is asshoe

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

The market has already responded by tanking the dollar.

Don't be fazed by market noise of even 2 or 3 days. Think 20 years.

US is losing its position of global dominance. Right now is a pivotal moment!

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eplettner 2 points ago

What do you disagree with in this bill? It's actually very lean when I had compare this to any other bill and history it's extremely lean and the tiny amount of pork a few people of pointed out only amounts to 0.01%. In addition there a lot of loans in this that may be paid back.

The other point is that the deficit is not necessarily a badd thing it just has to be balanced against GDP if we can get the economy backup and get our GDP up to 45% this would totally be worth it

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sickofaltspin 18 points ago

96-0... means Rand couldn't vote. Fuckers.

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White 16 points ago

So many shill/bots already responded to the tweet, lol. Rent Free.

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VictoriousOnceMore88 15 points ago (edited)

I hate to say this as I love President Trump but this bill is nothing more but back-stabbing our Commander-In-Chief where the “Republican” senators give anything and everything to the Democrats so this Senate Bill is almost identical to what the wicked witch NP wanted. How can we expect to be motivated when DJT will have to sign all the BS the Republicans refused to drop out/remove/never include!! We do not have a senate majority as McConnell wants nothing more but to stab our President every day of the week.

No new judges and no new executive confirmations and somehow, the senators get to be off until 04/20/20 while DJT won’t veto this bill when it’s not a victory for this country but I know he is trying to be as optimistic and as hopeful as a person can be because I quite frankly feel horrible for him. He never gets the help he deserves to pass the America First agenda we want for the nation and I have as much anger for those representing the WH in the negotiations because this is horrendous and pitiful.

Tonight sucks and I feel we are losing our country where no matter what President Trump does these huge bills will wipe out most of any good. DJT said long ago he would not sign massive bills but he has been given no room to throw this in the trash.

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

+1, exactly. It's sickening.

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 2 points ago

Yep, if even DJT has to bend the knee on crap like this, we're doomed.

He said he'd never again sign omnibus garbage, that he wouldn't sign something that wasn't 100% focused on The Chinese Virus relief and yet here we are. They're calling his bluff AGAIN.

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SirBuzzKillingtonVI 14 points ago

The fact that there's no money for the wall indicates that the republicans A) are much worse at negotiating than the dems or B) they don't really want border security after all. Sadly, the answer is C) All of the above.

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iamdone 11 points ago

Beginning of the end combined with the hydro drug, I hope.

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NotRealDemSocialism 7 points ago

Exactly, more theft.

Taking the consequences that belong to the irresponsible and shifting them onto those who lived responsibly. Disgusting.

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11a5f0041b8542aaac71 2 points ago

I don’t even want the stupid check.

I just want to get to f-n work!

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eplettner 2 points ago

If GDP goes up even slightly say to 4-5% the deficit is not an issue and taxes would drop

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Muffinman 8 points ago

Remember to vote the Dems out in November. The original Senate bill may not have been perfect, but it didnt have any pork.

It could have gotten through if we would have had 60 Senators.

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highenergywinning 3 points ago

Need the house back

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Marshall 8 points ago

If we want a better bill, we have to vote this November and win both Houses.

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Cornpop 7 points ago

Let’s take this out of China’s pocket

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ChokingOnARedpill 3 points ago

That might be the plan. Make moves to strip production from China and pay the national debt down with exports.

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eplettner 2 points ago

This

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jatergator 6 points ago

WINNING!

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Jammerculture 5 points ago

He has to sign it, there is stuff in there that the country needs but hopefully he exposes all the bullshit in there, the price he had to pay in order to get what we needed

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LibertyorDeath45 1 point ago

Bullshit.

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magaorg 4 points ago

Rand Paul voted for this?

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SixTree 7 points ago

I dont think so, I dont think he was able vote. I could be wrong, but shouldn't it be 100 total and not 96?

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

Correct Rand Paul could not vote. I don't know about the 3 others.

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ughicanteven 7 points ago

he's staying at the corona hotel

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SixTree 4 points ago

Is there no way to counter the pork at a later date? Budget?

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_Cabal_ 3 points ago

96-0 only proves to me that the bill must bad, and full of shit.

I'm embarrassed that there's a bunch of submissive faggots here who will make excuses for all the "compromise."

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Cyer6 1 point ago

They ALWAYS knee jerk react when something occupies the MSM 24/7 for weeks on end. Look at what happens in a mass shooting. 24/7 coverage for 1-2 weeks and then we get new gun laws and regulations.

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_Cabal_ 1 point ago

Yep. They use any and every opportunity they can to enrich themselves, push their agenda, and fuck the rest of us in the ass. And they know they'll get away with it because they've successfully conditioned all the normies to be submissive compromisettes, and they submit oh so willingly, and will even rush to the defense of their repetitive tyrannical behavior--"but, but we had to do it! we had to make the deal with the devil! it was the only way!"

Yes, yes... the "only way" was to give the House a pay bonus, I'm sure. The "only way" was to blow a cool 25 mil on the Kennedy center, I'm sure. The "only way" was to fund further refugee resettlement, I'm sure.

It's sad to see so much of that exact faggotry here. People like these cockless fucks are the reason 2A is endangered, and faggotry is being taught in our schools, and God is basically banned, and drag queen story hour, and our history and heritage is being dismantled, and on, and on, and on.

All you you useful idiots that defend this shit time and again, defend compromising over and over, you are complicit with the cancer of our society. You've brought us to where we are with encouragement and capitulation, and you will continue to slowly be our death, because when the chips are down, you fold like a cheap lawn chair, just as you've been trained to do. It's embarrassing and pathetic. You're our enemy's greatest allies.

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LibertyorDeath45 3 points ago

Nothing scarier than a unanimous government vote.

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ftwtidder 3 points ago

To quote Utah Philips "My God, that's moose turd pie!... It's good though."

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PencilNeckSchiff 3 points ago

can someone definitively confirm or deny that ballot harvesting is in this bill?

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Not definitively, but second hand info is other pedes have poured through this and at least that bs is OUT.

That's Nasty Nancy's basic strategy: move the overton window so far with outrageous demands that the other side winds up conceding more than you'd ever dream. And 53 R Senators fell for that cheap ploy.

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krzyzowiec 2 points ago

It’s not in the bill. I went through all 883 pages and found none of that creepy stuff.

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_america_first_ 3 points ago

Just finished reading this 1200 is tax rebate/credit $600 on top of whatever unemployment agency pays. Loans for travel industry Shit load of money for government agencies I believe we are headed for healthcare nationalization because this bill gives the feds a great oversight over it.

Other things You can ask for mortgage deferment for up to 180 days and additional 180 days Of course you need to provide evidence. Eviction protection and mortgage foreclosures protection There are several provisions about education grants, loans etc

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Yup, healthcare nationalization is scary af in light of what Governors have been doing. NY and Nevada? That's what happens when government runs healthcare.

No soup for you!

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eplettner 3 points ago

I see a lot of comments about this bill being filled with pork. I've been through it and it's really pretty lean compared to any other emergency relief bill I've ever read.

I think the shills are out trying to change our minds here boys

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YankeeHutt 3 points ago

So are we getting the $1,200 or less? I liked the first idea of 2 $1,000 checks.

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NotRealDemSocialism 1 point ago

Thieves, both of you

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Truglow 3 points ago

Bailouts are a bad idea.

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bakerlevi [S] 2 points ago

You're right, but no bailouts and a collapsed economy is an even worse idea.

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SBOJ_JOBS 2 points ago

I hate bailouts. But keeping thousands of companies intact so that employees resume being employees by simply turning on the lights is vastly less expensive than destroying everything, selling junked assets at pennies on the dollar as in the 1930s, and struggling to rebuild a new world over a decade or two. If for no other reason, I don't want to give billions to the lawyers who would make a fortune shuffling the paper of a million bankruptcies.

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LibertyorDeath45 1 point ago

LOL. Your representatives destroy America, but it's the lawyers' fault for trying to deal with it.

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SBOJ_JOBS 1 point ago

For several generations, a solid majority of Congress has been lawyers, both parties. For a generation, the lawyers association (the name has varied to obscure the fact) has been the largest or second largest contributer to the DNC. Congress has long written law for the specific purpose of generating work for lawyers. Our "repesentatives" and "lawyers" are one and the same. But no conflict of interest there, no sir reeeee!

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LibertyorDeath45 1 point ago

I suppose, if you remove personal accountability (for voting and removing representatives, etc.), then yes, it's all the lawyers' fault.

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SBOJ_JOBS 2 points ago

That is a valid point: you get what you vote for.

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MondayCoupleIsDead 3 points ago

Can anyone tell me why the line item veto is no longer a thing? Seems it would be very handy for this situation.

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lanre 4 points ago

Because it's bullshit. A Republican majority Senate could agree to pass a law saying "we'll fund $1,200 per taxpayer" in exchange for the Democrats getting $350 in illegal alien funding. The President line item vetoing that $350 would destroy any trust in the deal making.

This bill is full of bullshit, but there do need to be compromises and agreements to get stuff done in politics and the line item veto destroys that.

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MondayCoupleIsDead 2 points ago

I hear you. Sad that this shit has to go down like this, though.

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Cyer6 2 points ago

It's always been like this. Nothing's changed. Trump has to go with this or it's over for him. Americans who have no clue will only see "Trump refuses to sign aid bill. Millions of Americans will now be homeless and jobless." And "Did Trump just bring on the Great Depression 2.0?" That's the only thing they'll see and only the well-informed people like we have here on the Win will know better.

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Psiko74 2 points ago

I hope this is the last time we let them have anything. I hope we stack the House and Senate next year with a huge majority.

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Thatunknownguy 2 points ago

fuck china

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Khryn 2 points ago

If this doesn't push everyone here to campaign for us to take the House and Senate, nothing will. A lot of bullshit in this.

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freespeech4all 2 points ago

This bill is full of garbage. Hopefully we can reverse much of it when we get control of congress. Pelosi SCREW YOU

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IAbsolutelyDare 2 points ago

The thousand people who died cost us two billion dollars each.

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lanre 2 points ago

Is this really giving $350 million of our money to illegal aliens?

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nds19 2 points ago

Trump, please don't sign it!

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Cyer6 1 point ago

The bill passed pretty much unanimously in the Republican controlled Senate. He doesn't sign this, he doesn't get re-elected.

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Cuck-WTF 2 points ago

Does anyone know if the Dems got their "unlimited voter fraud" in the bill?

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Pretty sure the answer to that is NO.

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Cyer6 2 points ago

No, they didn't. To me, that's the most important thing that needed to be axed.

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RosieODonald 2 points ago

What the fuck this is retarded. So much of the money will be used to pay democrat shadow operations and now legalizes ballot harvesting like some commie ass shithole? Wtf kind of deal is that?

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RosieODonald 2 points ago

Damn thank you so much. I had very little time between my morning dump with a T_D update and work but I was fucking livid thinking this had passed.

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Flptplt 2 points ago

It's going to be heartbreaking when we find out how bad we're getting screwed over by this bill. Guaranteed there is a bunch of stuff in there for DACA people, illegal immigrants are probably getting healthcare, there's probably tens of millions for refugees, who will be taught that to hate our country the day after they arrive. Wow, I have truly become cynical

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MyWoWServer 2 points ago

How big of them all. Our tax dollars anyway. Gee, thanks.

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jamesvien101x 1 point ago

Dont like this, can some parts of this be reversed if we win back full control of the congress?

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

I've been looking into this. Is there a voting precinct that counts ballots by hand anymore? If it's close enough to be able to demand a recount then yes; alternate rules kick in.

Here our paper ballots (paper ballots, that's good) get fed into a machine that takes it out of your hand and looks, acts and sounds like a paper shredder. I've gotten no cooperation from anyone in terms of how we can monitor the count to insure a fair election. I've gotten lots of dumb looks though. And I'm in a solidly R area of a purple State. DJT carried this area with 60+%.

I'm not giving up!

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pedeypete 1 point ago

looks at the clock 17:75

Almost time boys.

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xBigCoffinHunter 1 point ago

Raise for the House. I mean they’re just rubbing our noses in it

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LibertyorDeath45 1 point ago

It will take $50k to counter the dollar devaluation.

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westrock2000 1 point ago

Aren’t we missing 4? Supposed to be 100 total? Did some “abstain”???

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 1 point ago

Congratulations AMERICA!

<reads all the bullshit stuffed into the $2T bill>

Ummm, thanks?

Why did we have to do all this for a mere blip on our seasonal flu radar? Seems like an awfully hefty "answer"...

But sure, congrats us for yet again, footing the bill!

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 2 points ago

Yes thanks...for avoiding an even worse outcome.

I may be wrong, but in my view we've gotta be VERY careful with that line of reasoning. Because most of the time, that's where they get us.

Come out of the gates with unrealistic "shock value" propositions. Then walk it back from there to make us feel "grateful" for an alternative. When, if taken in isolation, even the latter propositions would have likely been deemed as egregious.

That's negotiation tactics 101 and, as we've seen, it's unfortunately very effective.

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 1 point ago

Meh... In my mind it's better, for all of our sakes, to have Trump supporters who think for themselves.

For a number of reasons.

Chief of which is that, while Trump may put on a rosy front in public, we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. For all we know, this "happiness" could really be more of a begrudging acceptance.

Right?

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 1 point ago

No worries, seems we just mis-read each other then

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OpenlyTrump 1 point ago

The nearly 900-page bill has a price tag that amounts to roughly half the size of the US government's annual budget, and includes:

Direct payments of $1,200 to millions of individuals who earn $75,000 or less, and an additional $500 per each child

An expansion of unemployment aid including payments, for the first time, to people who are self-employed or work in the gig economy

A $500bn fund to help companies, which includes loans to hard-hit sectors such as the airline industry

$350bn in loans for small businesses

$100bn for hospitals and related health systems on the frontlines of the pandemic

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Supa_Stu907 1 point ago

BPS said it well: “Why even pay taxes if they can just print more money?”

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Heywoodjblome 1 point ago

Congratulations America? For what? Getting fucked in the ass yet again? I was pissed when he signed that bullshit omnibus bill but I bit my tongue. If he signs anything but a clean bill I wont be voting for him in November. Outsider my ass.

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McFatty7 1 point ago

So what's the final status of any student loan-related reliefs?

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UpTrump 4 points ago

I am 95% sure those are gone

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hydra 0 points ago

thank god, that was ridiculous

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krzyzowiec 1 point ago

There’s no cancellation or reduction, but they kept the payment and interest rate pauses, which are fine to me.

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couranto 1 point ago

Not really

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MetallicOpeth 0 points ago

so did they include the voting portion of it allowing for fucking harvesting by the Dims? America is fucked if so

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bakerlevi [S] 3 points ago

No, that was in Pelosi's rejected bill.

No ballot harvesting in the one just voted 96-0

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MetallicOpeth 1 point ago

fantastic thanks for letting me know

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WEWLADSDALWEW 0 points ago

Nobody likes deficit spending. Everybody knows the media lies incessantly. But the part about the boy who cried wolf that people gloss over is that in the end, there really was a wolf. This is a real crisis. Not because coronavirus is the next black plague that everyone is going to die from (nobody thinks that), but simply because the virus spreads much more quickly than the flu, and no one is immune and if everyone were allowed to get sick at the same time, it would crash the hospital system, the economy, the law enforcement system, etc. it really would be catastrophic. It’s good to be generally skeptical, but in the case where every major country—from the communists to the Canadians to the Trump administration—is basically handling it the exact same way, I think you can reasonably conclude that there is something to this and maybe it’s not all dumbasses worried about nothing.

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LibertyorDeath45 1 point ago

It's the end of the world! Just like global warming! You people are really bad at spotting patterns.

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WEWLADSDALWEW 1 point ago

I don’t think I am...I just think that while there may be a cabal of evildoers bent on world domination, there’s also such a thing as real problems. I don’t think I’m the guy to parse which is which with certainty, but that’s why we elect trustworthy leaders. Trump says it is legit.

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TyrannyBuster 5 points ago

Why would you want to join that soyboy cuck cult?

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SixTree 6 points ago

Because it's a shill account with no activity before this post.

Deport

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BoughtByBloomberg 3 points ago

Tell me if you enjoy the soy initiation.

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prescient 3 points ago

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Don't worry, they'll just print more money. shoots self in head

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Cyer6 2 points ago

No, they'll just move away from printed money and turn it all into digital 1's and 0's.

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cjcivicx 6 points ago

LMFAO! A brand new shill account.

GO FUCK YOURSELF, SHITLIB!

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Jammerculture 4 points ago

See you later shill fuck

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Vellicho 3 points ago

Thanks! :-D