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posted ago by Nimble_navigator92 (edited)

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. At most so far 59 people have died, with most of them being in one nursing home in Kirkland WA. The media is fear mongering harder than ever to make orange man look bad. Schools and businesses are closing which is sure to send us into recession if not worse. Out of 330,000,000 people, 59 have died in the US and everything is screeching to a halt. Something isn't right here but it's fucking everything up. The economy was the best it's ever been in the history of our country and now everything is going to shit because of less than 100 deaths. More people probably die each year from skiing accidents. This is un fucking believable.

EDIT: I'm not saying this is a total hoax. I'm saying the media overreaction is making things way worse than they have to be. Panicking is never going to make anything better. If this is truly as bad as some of you are saying, I hope it justifies sending our economy into great depression 2 Corona boogaloo

This whole thing stinks to high heaven. At most so far 59 people have died, with most of them being in one nursing home in Kirkland WA. The media is fear mongering harder than ever to make orange man look bad. Schools and businesses are closing which is sure to send us into recession if not worse. Out of 330,000,000 people, 59 have died in the US and everything is screeching to a halt. Something isn't right here but it's fucking everything up. The economy was the best it's ever been in the history of our country and now everything is going to shit because of less than 100 deaths. More people probably die each year from skiing accidents. This is un fucking believable. EDIT: I'm not saying this is a total hoax. I'm saying the media overreaction is making things way worse than they have to be. Panicking is never going to make anything better. If this is truly as bad as some of you are saying, I hope it justifies sending our economy into great depression 2 Corona boogaloo
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Slayenemy909 372 points ago

With you man. This shits utterly insane and unjustified

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sharkman100 131 points ago

Have you notice the idiots are hoarding TP and water, but not healthy food? Lol

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TRUMPets 92 points ago

Because they're full of shit, from a diet of steady shit.

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hai_Priesty 32 points ago

As an Asian that does Yoga I totally believes this train of thought.

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move_like_suleman 62 points ago

In France now. Was just in the supermarket. In the food section, all rice and pasta have disappeared but not for canned foods, meats, tuna, sardines etc., they were all still there. You'd have thought that when this kind of thing happens people would hoard canned foods but no, they took pasta and rice and left everything else behind. Pretty weird.

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RighteousViolence1 44 points ago

I like carbs a lot, but in a serious emergency I’m grabbing all the protein I can get.

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givethismanacoat 18 points ago

I happened to just have ordered 5lbs of protein powder for my smoothies..

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Watermelons 14 points ago

Lol. That's the same thing I told my wife. I jus got a fresh 5# can of powder.

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HilarityComplex 11 points ago

Same. Also a freezer full of deer meat.

Two gallon containers of oatmeal and 42 eggs.

And my emergency chest of dry goods, peanut butter, prepper meals, etc that I absolutely do not want to touch during this nonsense.

None of that is out of the ordinary for me, though. Lol.

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NvJohansson 8 points ago

I took a 2 hour round trip to my summer lodge yesterday to pick up all the ammo l keep locked away there since l was low and the shops around me are running out. Priorities.

... continue reading thread?
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Sumarongi 28 points ago

You can’t wipe your butt with a can. Pasta, on the other hand...

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DarthFuckinVader 25 points ago

I'll drag my ass across my yard before I starve!

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NaCl_Miner 3 points ago

Or as Scott Adams advised, drag it across neighbors yard.

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HeadExam 16 points ago

There's a nice image

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BarbaraManatee 4 points ago

Thanks for the lolz!

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NvJohansson 3 points ago

Yet all the stores are still fully stocked in kleenex... smh

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NvJohansson 1 point ago

Mais ils sont fous, ces Gaulois!

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Jack_Burton 26 points ago

My Publix was out of eggs, DHA milk, and toilet paper... you know what there were a ton of? Canned foods and baby wipes. This is a lot of reactionary panic, I agree.

However, one should prepare against the products of mass reactionary panic anyway, so if you’ve been putting off on the things needed to be independent and safe for a while, do so.

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LordOfTheReeeeengs 8 points ago

There was nothing at the 3 Publix by my place. Nothing in Walmart, Aldi, convenience stores, etc. All the meats were gone (was going to make beef jerkey since it will last a good while...and haven't made some in a long while).

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ScottyGunn 7 points ago

Wiped out here locally, too. No eggs, milk, cereal, laundry soap,tp, all lunch meats, cheese and breads are gone. I need to go to work, and brown bag my lunches. No access to a microwave during the day. Going to have to get creative and think out side the box a little.

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AloweiseEdelHuberIII 7 points ago

McDonalds still open.

They'd love the business.

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ncmarc 5 points ago

that's weird, here in NC just came from aldi, and it had 2 pallets of paper towels, lots of diapers, plenty of milk/eggs. the meat was a little slim pickings, but there was plenty for me, they had tons of deli meats, cases of it. there was very little they were out of stock. my grocery store had stuff when I went by there too.

The only thing I really can't find is hand-sanitizer and clorox type products like wipes and baby wipes.

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buco 4 points ago

Similar here in Charlotte, Lidl and Aldi's, milk, paper towels but no TP. Plenty on canned goods, chicken, fruit, cheese, but no rice. Local Harris Teeter picked clean of milk, cheese, rice, fruit, bread. They just closed public schools here, probably had something to do with the run on food.

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No_Fun_Allowed 1 point ago

Resellers hit the sanitization products hard and made a killing on ebay and amazon before getting cut off.

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GulagDweller 3 points ago

No issues here, we still have had ZERO identified cases of Corona in the entire region. Every store I have been to has overstocked in anticipation of a run that hasn't occurred as of yet and I'm doubting will happen. On a good note, my commute to work in the city has become heavenly, nearly no government workers going to work these days, they get paid to sleep and stay home now.

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LordOfTheReeeeengs 2 points ago

Nice. We have quite a few cases just south of my county. I don't think there have been any identified in my county yet but people are still freaking out.

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hai_Priesty 17 points ago

And also hoarding TP is one of the stupidest things to hoard, because one can 100% improvise other stuff for your toilet needs when you run out of toilet paper, whereas if you run out of food, water and ammunition you're into unmitigated disaster (assuming you're paranoid enough to consider that you need to hoard 3 months of supplies)

And why are they hoarding stuff that goes stale in 1 month or needs constant refrigeration?? You should have at least gotten some beans (natural form) and even if you're a picky eater needing you emergency food to taste good, you could have gotten some raisins or dried apricots or natural chees - which is a preserved food in itself!

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hai_Priesty 9 points ago

You are right -- though getting overweight people (the problematic people here) who sustained on microwave dinners and pizzas to live off sprouts might be a stretch for them :DD

They could likely have tolerated a new diet of corn flakes and raisins and milk, or eat cheese, but from the look of the panic buying many seems to be too dumb and chose the wrong stockpile there......

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CutTheGrass 7 points ago

We didn’t fall for the panic, and didn’t grab toilet paper our last grocery trip last week. We had 4 rolls so we thought we were good. Now we are down to 1 roll in each bathroom (2). Can’t find TP anywhere. Since I’m a lady, I started using a washcloth to wipe, and save the TP for poo wiping. Insane that I’m even writing this.

Why TP!?!! We are stocked on food, and like you said, we have more than enough wash clothes WHEN we get to the point of having no TP.

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ncmarc 5 points ago

Set the alarm and go to the store at about 5am. go to a grocery store that isn't as popular. there was plenty when i went.

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just-a-pleb 7 points ago

Buy MREs and dehydrated canned goods.

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deadindian 4 points ago

I’m allergic to all the food you listed 😂

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the_mcgee 10 points ago

The TP was a literal meme that spread from Australia who’s TP supply chain is 100% reliant on China and were facing shortages, that then spread from 4chan to the normies. It’s insane.

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SkitShowPhrenia 5 points ago

That damn hacker 4chinz done it again

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HiddenDekuScrub 5 points ago

An aussie friend of mine showed a pic of a crane machine full of toilet paper rolls.

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NoTalkieB4TheCovfefe 9 points ago

If they had been eating healthy up to this point, they may not be at the point of mental insanity in the first place.

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Oddsalamander6 9 points ago

Not in my neighborhood. They bought ALL the perishables. PERISHABLES! Good thing I know how to cook so I could adjust my menu plan.

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Sumarongi 8 points ago

It’s like the world is ending... in three days

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fazzman23 9 points ago

and the same people have never gone fishing or hunting

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LeftistsLoveStreetSh 6 points ago

Made it extra easy to buy all the canned meats and bleach!

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Robert 4 points ago (edited)

but not healthy food

"Idiots".

Most healthy food tends to be perishable, so what would you expect someone to stock up on in this situation? Because buying fresh fruit, veggies, and meat isn't going to work out very well when the power goes out and you're left with no food that actually lasts for more than a month.

"Idiots" indeed.

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Fremium2020 12 points ago

Because buying fresh fruit, veggies, and meat isn't going to work out very well when the power goes out

The power didnt even go out in Wuhan, dude. It isnt out in Italy.

Like where the living fuck do most of you think you live? The Congo?

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Robert 3 points ago

Like where the living fuck do most of you think you live? The Congo?

If you're going to prep, you should be expecting and prepping for the worst case scenario, period. You absolutely should not be prepping with the expectation of having a fucking working refrigerator unless you've got a generator and a few underground tanks in which case there are still better things to use the gas for, LOL.

I mean, where did you learn your survival skills, dude?

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Fremium2020 2 points ago

Yeah, like I said, your water and electricity isnt going to go down if it didn't in China.

So save me the dude-brah prepper attitude as a catch-all reply to everything.

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Meddlesom 1 point ago

Yeah, but remember that all the big cities in America are run by Democrats. Never underestimate the Democrat's ability to fuck shit up.

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Axiom502 3 points ago

Why would the power go out? Lolol

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Robert 1 point ago (edited)

What? If you aren't prepped for a scenario where the power goes out in a cold area, you WILL die. Not really a joke or anything.

If you're going to prep, you should be expecting and prepping for the worst case scenario. I live in an area where the power does go out sometimes, especially in the winter. Whether a transformer blows from the weather, whether that's ice or blowing trees or whatever, sometimes shit happens.

Non-serious reply: "That's because they've been burning all the bodies in Wuhan for power, so it hasn't gone out yet". Kek.

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Ostrichesarecool 2 points ago

you're absolutely correct. We are in uncharted territory. And I'd add... the left will do everything they can to not let this crisis go to waste. I believe as the election approaches, more shit like this will pop up. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw the electrical grid fail; heck I wouldn't be surprised if the internet went down worldwide to throw everything into chaos. We can't bank on any utilities 100%.

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NvJohansson 3 points ago

Just in: Power grid tests positive for coronavirus - CNN probably

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krzyzowiec 1 point ago

Canned meats + vegetables, nuts, and peanut butter are good choices. Dried fruits are a possibility also, but not ideal because they have so much sugar in them.

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Greenline 3 points ago

Almost all of the ramen noodles were gone in Market Basket yesterday, so they're gonna need all that toilet paper.

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kshoggi 3 points ago

I'm always surprised at the variety of foods that people online claim causes them diarrhea, but noodles is a new one for sure. They are made of fucking flour. The packet is full of salt. How are they causing you people distress?

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NvJohansson 2 points ago

Gluten?

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RoboChomo 0 points ago

Almost everyone who claims to have gluten allergies does not.

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NvJohansson 1 point ago

What is it with this generation of kids and all these allergies or pseudo allergies? Nobody was allergic to peanuts when I was a kid. Now you got lactose and gluten and other bullshit. They just don't build kids like they used to anymore.

I'll look up the gluten thing though, I see so many people complaining about it, then maybe it's just IBS?

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MustangManny 2 points ago

I saw a couple with two carts full of soda, 2 liter bottles and 16oz bottles.

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kshoggi 2 points ago

Good to prep for diabetics, tbh.

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Kinestron 51 points ago

Exactly. How many people are going to be displaced, lose their jobs and be placed in a worse position for the next year or more because the Democrats threw a tantrum.

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mikeroolz 46 points ago

That's the goal. Democrats would rather destroy America than lose. At best, they don't care about you. At worst, they hate you.

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-REEEEEEEDACTED- 17 points ago

AND WANT YOU, AND YOUR FAMILY, DEAD.

Not an exaggeration.

Conservatives fantasize about the era where we reclaim lost or abused rights, and the country returns to a society of order, civility, strength, compassion, and opportunity.

Democrats/liberals constantly fantasize about exterminating conservatives.

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ChuckedBeef 11 points ago

It's the wealthy global elite who control the media and control our corrupt sockpuppet politicians.

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TooBusySaltMining 40 points ago

Hold on now. What if taking early precautions, such as what Trump did, is the real reason for the low fatality numbers? You don't wait until widespread death to do anything about it. Considering the high death counts in China and Italy I think we can safely assume that we are managing this outbreak effectively.

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Jack_Burton 33 points ago

Yeah, but op didn’t call out the management, he’s calling out people’s reactions in spite of the management.

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sysopz 30 points ago

They wanted to get as many infected so that each person could be used as a bioweapon.

Why? Because Trump trade war make China asshole.

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Yutterh 12 points ago

Personally I believe one of the scientist their released it on purpose, because he new china was making a bioweapon. It is the same scientist that they killed off.

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fuckYourCouch 10 points ago

It was an accident in all likelihood, communism and whacky evil science don't mix well, just look at chernobyl.

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NaCl_Miner 3 points ago

Probably a technician making some side money and selling the test animals.

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Elanea32 2 points ago

I read somewhere (sorry, no link because I’ve been to too many sites at this point) that a lab worker there had been arrested for selling lab animals and had made quite a bit of money on the side. Makes more sense that the virus got out that way than a deliberate release into their own population. Though they do kill prisoners for organs, so who knows?

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oldmanthedonald 1 point ago

Unfortunately for the prisoners, they don't kill them first

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Robert 5 points ago

You don't wait until widespread death to do anything about it

Oh man. Ohhhhh man. That just made me think of something.

Remember Benghazi? Can you imagine how poorly Hillary would have handled this situation? We'd all be dead while she calls us racist for not wanting to import sick Chinamen lol.

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the_mcgee 3 points ago

6k deaths world wide. The flu has killed more people in the USA alone than this has killed globally... by an order of magnitude.

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Sumarongi 3 points ago

If that many people died in my town from this, I doubt anyone would even notice

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Ostrichesarecool 3 points ago

I don't agree with you, respectfully. This is unprecedented and GEOTUS's response has been outstanding given the extraordinary speed of change of what is going on.

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Carry_Your_Name 29 points ago

Wuflu is like a plane crash. It's far rarer than car crash, yet the news coverage is like carpet bombing, every outlet is weighing in on it. What's really frustrating is that the vast majority of those "news" are actually OPINIONS and REACTIONS from commentators, contributors and some so called experts, meanwhile there's very few information about what's really going on. They're just hyping it up and spreading fear as if the sky is falling. Also, no matter what news you watch, in one news cycle all the stories are centered around one event - Russia Russia Russia, dismemberment of that journalist by Saudi Arabia, impeachment, Solameni drone strike, and now the freaking chicom virus. I can't find anything else to read. Even lifestyle and entertainment section is full of these stuff. I'm so sick and tired of today's 24/7 news.

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HilarityComplex 19 points ago

It's really hard to find news about anything other than the coronavirus. Shits fucking DUMB.

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Carry_Your_Name 11 points ago

Yeah, those people are lazy. They are one monolithic incestuous community - including FOX. They sit in their studios and dressing rooms all day quoting each other and reacting to each other.

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King 6 points ago

well, corona virus is the planes hissting the buildings on 911 to distract you from the bombs in the buldings

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Not_My_Real_Acct_ 11 points ago

I've never seen anything like this in my life.

Obviously, the media HATES Donald Trump and will invest 100% of their time trying to scare people. They tried convincing America that Russia was a threat, and after a year, a lot of the country saw through the bullshit.

Now they're running their FUD playbook on Covid 19, and they've managed to crater the entire US economy... Over 41 deaths. 77% of those deaths were in a single nursing home.

It boggles my mind how people are incapable of doing the most basic math: even IF you get Covid, your odds of surviving are 99% if you're under the age of 50.

But the media isn't looking at it from THAT angle, instead they're making shit up, saying "millions could die."

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Carry_Your_Name 8 points ago

This is a total political hit job. They're still suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome, which is everlasting disease in the mind compared to the Wuflu. They desperately need this to attack the president and distract from the disaster of Sleepy Joe at the same time. Tell you what, man, you may remember COVID19 was being reported for a while, then shifted to Dem primaries, and now somehow they are all back in on this. The real reason is that they're wrapping up the primaries and pressuring Bernie to quit. It is crystal clear that Sleepy Joe is in cognitive decline, and they're now trying to keep him from any public appearance so he won't embarrass himself. House whip Clyborn spit it out the other day that it won't be necessary for Joe to continue his primary campaign since his nomination is already a sure thing. This virus outbreak just provides them a perfect excuse for that. It also allows them to call the president to cancel his rallies. This is all of a strategy to get the heat off that old fool and prepare for their next move.

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Freedomnc1776 -6 points ago

If I put 100 cars in a lot and said you can have one...but there is one that will kill you when started and might kill your family and kids too.....would you take a chance?

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blubberdong 5 points ago (edited)

Not only that, but I truly think they enjoy what they're doing. Like sexual fetish moisture-and-erection kind of pleasure. This is the kind of thing that defines them as "journalists", and they are not going to let this opportunity go to waste.

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krzyzowiec 1 point ago

They're also using this opportunity to snipe at Trump for just about anything to imply that he's doing a bad job. So naturally when people are hearing that there is an out-of-control virus and that the President is totally mismanaging it, they are thinking the worst.

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JayGatsby58 19 points ago

R/politics blaming this on capitalsim..... they just keep going to the well to push this socialism bs.

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someoldcoderguy 6 points ago

Yeah, because China is such a massive capitalistic society.

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wootsat 11 points ago

Italy has 1400 deaths, 21,000 cases according to this

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

There was a study done on Italy and the flu for several years in the mid 2010s,

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

They had flu deaths of 7k, 15k, 20k, 24k in four years during the study. I'm just looking at the data. The numbers don't seem to add up to support the idea that Italy is in some severe collapse scenario.

Now maybe Corona is about to get a lot worse in Italy, maybe this thing is ramping up really fast, it doesn't really look like that in tracking new cases in Italy over the last few days, but maybe. But that's still a future threat, and yet we're being told that Italy is already in really bad shape. Doesn't seem to add up.

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TrumpsWall 10 points ago

I agree with the OP that the media/DNC has been pushing for the most drastic response that will absolutely cause the most economic disruption possible. The timing is sooooooo convenient (election year during the biggest economic boom of my nearly 50 years).

Moreover, you know what’s been totally forgotten? Hong Kong. The ChiComs economic gateway to the west. Also, who would bring up Spygate in these trying times?

However, in regards to Italy and comparing flu numbers. While the total numbers are true, their issue is that it hit all at once, which overwhelmed their medical capacity, whereas a flu epidemic would not see a sudden spike.

My guess is that Trump is going along with the drastic measures in the hope that this will be behind us by May when rising temperatures naturally stop viral epidemics, and that we can have this strong record of response behind us heading into November. While short term certain industries that rely on travel will be heavily effected, the flip side is that Americans will be forced to spend their money here. Americans spend on average $160 billion on overseas travel. Spending that here will no doubt spur economic growth. In addition, the amount of money recently spent in grocery stores will have a multiplier effect up and down the entire supply chain. Lastly, even considering the short term effects on the economy, we are now in the best possible position to bring all important manufacturing back to the United States, especially medical supplies. This could be the best time in 30 years to end the globalist approach to the global economy, where cheap labor abroad has led to our so-called “service economy”. It will look different, but the benefits would help the average American working man and not the multi national corporations who have gained the most from the globalist paradigm we have lived under for many decades. We might pay more for American made goods, but we will keep those millions of jobs here. Just my two cents.

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Not_My_Real_Acct_ 10 points ago

The difference, in 2020, is that everyone's panicking.

I've seen statistics that indicate that 97% of the people who thought they had Covid, actually had something else.

IE, in 2019, if you had a bad cough, you'd stay home and get better. In 2020, everyone's panicked about Covid so they're overwhelming the medical system.

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killerbunny88 7 points ago

This is a good point. I'm currently sick, and I have a lot of symptoms of COVID, except fever (but I only run fever if I'm extremely ill)... however, I'm not going to the doctor because there is nothing they can really do about it, and I wouldn't qualify for a test, anyways. Plus, if I don't have it, going to the doctor would increase my risk of being exposed to it. I really think I just have a bad cold, but I'm staying home just in case.

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sfasu77 2 points ago

Just chug Gatorade and chill. You'll be fine.

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the_mcgee 5 points ago

If you’ve lived there you’d know that ‘lockdown’ is complete bullshit. Chinese dgaf about law until the tanks show up.

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RoosterRaiser 2 points ago

I have family living in Rome. They posted a picture of the line for supermarket yesterday. One person per household went, they stand many feet apart, most in masks. The market only allows a couple people in at a time.

Shit is real over there. I wish they would come home....

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t-ara-fan 3 points ago

Triage sucks if you are nearly dead. But it is the best approach in a disaster.

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Gmoney 5 points ago (edited)

Im reading stuff about bill gates and obama having started all of this. anyone else read any of it?

heres a youtube video to get you started - https://youtu.be/rVw9KZ2DwJk

edit: someone posted this as well on a bretbart comment section so take it for what you will.

Copied Researched. And it's all TRUE. Friends, INFORM YOURSELF! HERE'S SOME STRANGE COINCIDENCES & TRUTHS BEHIND THE WUHAN VIRUS: Bill Gates & Barack Obama released a docuseries on Netflix called PANDEMIC in January right before the Wuhan virus was "discovered." The docuseries pushed the need for the Gates Foundation to receive funding to carry on virus research to prevent the next PANDEMIC! Bill Gates funded the Wuhan lab in China that released the Wuhan virus. Bill Gates was a member of China's Academy of Sciences who built the lab and he was awarded their highest honor. The Wuhan virus was originally developed at the University of North Carolina by NIH grants approved by the Obama administration in 2012. The NIH defunded the "dangerous" UNC research so the Communist Chinese scientists left UNC and took their work to the NEWLY BUILT Wuhan lab in 2017 - funded by Gates & pals. The NIH defunded the "dangerous" UNC research so the Communist Chinese scientists left UNC and took their work to the NEWLY BUILT Wuhan lab in 2017 - funded by Gates & pals. The head of the Harvard Chemistry & Biology department, with ties to Gates & Epstein, was arrested for accepting bribes from the Communists. Did Epstein know what was coming? The Pirbright Institute, funded by Bill Gates, owns the "patent" on the Coronavirus genetic sequencing. They did simulation testing on a global PANDEMIC in 2018.

Bill Gates & Barack Obama docuseries marketed the need for a global "universal" vaccine to replace all other flu vaccines. I believe it will be designed to deliver a human chip via nanotechnology.

12,469 people in the US died of H1N1 flu (from Mexico) under Obama in 2009, many of them children, because he waited 6 months to do anything & never closed the border.

The media said nothing about fatalities from Obama's H1N1 crisis, but is creating a huge panic for Trump around the 20 US deaths from the Wuhan virus to destroy the US economy before the election. They tried to do the same thing with SARS under Bush in 2003.

Some 52,000 people in the US have died from the common flu this year and the media says NOTHING about that - but is creating a huge panic around the 20 US deaths from the Wuhan virus.

18 out of the 20 total US deaths from the Wuhan virus have come from a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington - the home area of Bill Gates.

Half the staff at that nursing home have been infected with Wuhan virus. They appear to be the carriers. The nursing home draws employees from a large Chinese population across the border in Canada. I believe Gates is placing carriers in vulnerable locations for the narrative and funding.

Right after the first deaths were reported in Bill Gates home area, the Governor declared a national emergency & Congress approved over $8 billion - even though Trump asked for only a quarter of that. Much of the funding will flow to Gates' global "research" partners.

Suddenly Bill Gates says his "foundation" will offer in-home testing kits where you swab your nose with a Q-Tip and send it to his labs. How convenient and timely! I think Gates developed the home-testing kits in order to secure access to all our DNA!

19 out of the 21 who tested positive on the Princess Cruise ship were CREW MEMBERS. Meaning the crews are carriers and are infecting passengers. Who put them there?

The virus started in South Korea because the leaders of a "doomsday" cult went to Wuhan, China and went back and infected 8,000 of their members. Who paid them to do that?

In Italy, the virus started in a hospital filled with sick elderly people in a small town in northern Italy -- spread by a 38-year old carrier from Wuhan, who recovered. Who put him there?

Iran's leaders suddenly became infected after Iran's foreign leader met with John Kerry in Munich and laughed about the Wuhan virus on camera. Almost like he was told to go home and create panic.

All those videos out of Communist China of them disinfecting the streets, people dying on the streets and thrashing bodies - were all fake and sent out by Communist propagandists.

Thousands of people from Wuhan China have protested against the Communist Party's plans to build a waste "incinerator" plant in their city. They are silent now!

Real videos show Hong Kong freedom fighters being rounded up in handcuffs and sent off to the "hospital" where it's likely their organs are harvested and they are cremated.

Real videos show elderly people in Communist China trapped in buildings and left to die with no food.

Real videos show that Communist China installed major NEW surveillance cameras and technology to monitor people on the street & in their offices since the virus was released.

Real videos show the Chinese people yelling "IT'S ALL FAKE" from high rises as the Communists pretend to care for them on the streets below.

The Chinese are now being forced to use an app which tells them when they can come and go and tracks their every move. How did the Communists suddenly develop this technology in a month? This was part of the plan and put in place while they were under "quarantine."

After Trump closed travel from Communist China in January, the Chinese blamed the US and threatened to hold back our pharmaceuticals unless we opened travel back up again. They didn't expect him to do that - that thwarted their plans to seed the US with more cases.

I believe the virus is no more dangerous than the common flu - but has been engineered to be highly infectious and impact the elderly & sick. Thankfully, it is NOT affecting children & young adults like pandemic flu does.

I believe the virus was unleashed by the Communist Party to scare people back into their homes and stop the Hong Kong & Taiwanese pro-freedom protests.

I believe the virus was unleashed by the Communists to crash the US economy & drive people away from Trump rallies.

I believe the virus was unleashed to help the Communists assert global control and to cull the elderly and weak.

ALL respiratory viral outbreaks peak in March and end in April. I believe this one too.

The SARS Coronavirus panic dropped the market 20% in March 2003, under Bush, and it came roaring back even higher by July. In other words, they've done this before to a Republican administration before an election.

Wuhan virus is impacting less than 1% of the population in areas of "high" infection: China (.12%) S. Korea (.21%) Italy (.037%) - although the fake news media makes it sounds like 50% of the population is sick.

Now the fake news is trying to distance Wuhan from the virus -- and so is Communist China. That means we're right over the target.

Every single one of these evidentiary statements has been reported by numerous sources and my opinions expressed are based in fact. This is not a conspiracy. This is real. There is a great upheaval going on worldwide right now. World markets are trembling. Marshall law is being accepted by entire cities and countries. The entire planet has now become vulnerable to complete global control.

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DarkMemeDuck 5 points ago (edited)

"Every one of these statements has been reported by numerous sources" I just looked for sources on the Washington State nursing home's staff being infected as well as the cruise ships. Didn't find a single article about either of them. I get that you copypasta'd this, but it looks like this wasn't researched very well at all. At the very least try to find some actual sources to back this up.

EDIT: I just watched the video and all the guy does is bring up a bunch of tenuously related stories that even he says "these may be related, or they may not, but you can see how this would be bad." Well, great. But that proves nothing.

I could make an argument that because Disney has deals with China now that all of this is a clever marketing scheme to get people to buy more subscriptions to Disney +. And I could show you articles about Disney in China, and Disney + subs going up, and I could spitball that they are related. That doesn't actually make them related.

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MollieHemingwaysTits 1 point ago

It's probably all bullshit.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-grand-princess-cruise-ship-21/story?id=69467935

"Three employees have been hospitalized, and one has tested positive, Killian said. However, not all employees are being tested, as the nursing home does not yet have enough kits to do so, he added."

They have no idea how many total employees are infected because they haven't been able to test most of them.

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the_mcgee 4 points ago

Oh fuck pede. Thanks for this.

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TrumpsWall 2 points ago

Oh please. This is bullshit. Stoking fear isn’t helping. Nanotechnology via vaccines? 😂 All “based” in fact 👌

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Vests123 73 points ago (edited)

Do you actually expect everyone in the country to be tested or to get the virus?

Not everyone is going to get the virus...only people with symptoms should be tested. The quarantine is for people that may have it to not pass it to more people and to keep it from spreading and contained.

Unless you're in the high risk group (elderly with underlying issues) most people will get it and recover.

In the press conference yesterday with the CDC team, the doctor mentioned how in South Korea 96% of the people tested did NOT have the CoronaVirus, but another virus that was causing them distress.

Basically, many false positives and when they analyzed the tests they realized that though they thought initially it was CoronaVirus - that it was a different one causing similar respiratory issues.

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StunLikeAnAntelope 34 points ago

That was what stuck out the most to me when she said only 4% of PEOPLE WHO FELT SICK ENOUGH TO TAKE A TEST were positive for covid 19. Meaning there are far many more things endangering us than just this.

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Cup_O_Covfefe 1 point ago

Also means that 96% of the vital testing kits were wasted.

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StunLikeAnAntelope 2 points ago

No. That’s stupid. How would they know before they tested?

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 16 points ago

Exactly. The only reason anyone knew I had H1N1 in 2009 is because I was really sick and went to the doctor. I was feeling better by the time of my appointment but kept it anyway, they tested me, and confirmed that I had H1N1. By all accounts the WuFlu is less severe for most people than H1N1 so most who contract it probably won’t even go to the doctor.

The only reason so many people are going to the doctor now is because of the fear mongering that makes them believe that any sniffle due to a cold or allergy is likely the WuFlu.

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Savy1 15 points ago

Can attest to this. I don’t get sick often but the last couple days I’ve had a cough/sore throat. Normally I’d think absolutely nothing of it but the fear mongering of the news and people I know is causing me some slight paranoia.

It seems impossible to escape the fear mongering which causes anxiety which leads to poor health. It’s unreal.

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fuckYourCouch 12 points ago

Even if you have symptoms why get tested? They can't help you any differently. It is like the flu, stay home, rest, drink fluids and if you get really bad then go in. Going in to get tested literally does nothing.

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optimism_befitting 7 points ago

Exactly! One of my children has had a fever for the past couple days, which we are absolutely taking seriously, but the dr echoed this sentiment- could be a cold, could be the flu, could be covid- the treatment is the same.

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Block_Helen 2 points ago

It does worse than doing nothing, it adds to the existing burdens on the system.

We used to understand this, until it became necessary to get orange man.

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Vests123 3 points ago

Stop spreading fear...

Have you seen any of the press conferences with POTUS, VPOTUS, the CDC leadership?

They discussed all this yesterday and at the previous one.

Pence and his leadership and the CDC and all the professionals throughout the states are coordinated and are aware of these challenges and have made provisions.

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FuckPlebbit 2 points ago

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES6x_xBU4AApB-N?format=jpg&name=medium

That would be germany actually, and we have a similar number to them.

Germany is at least a few days ahead of the US in cases, so if we see mass deaths there, then we can expect it here. If not, then we should be fine ourselves.

Not to mention that they didn't have an old folks home get smacked like we did, which really made our numbers worse.

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t-ara-fan 2 points ago

1% death rate is pretty high. Above my comfort level. That is the difference between this dirty Chinese flu and regular flu.

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Vests123 4 points ago

No, of course not I'm not saying this. My parents are at risk because they are older.

What I'm saying it that this is cold and flu season. Many of those going into the ER in Italy could have the flu or some other respiratory virus.

The CDC doctor said that about 96% of the tests done in South Korea that were thought to be CoronaVirus, turned out not to be and were false positive ones.

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Block_Helen 2 points ago

News flash, in the UK they already do that to old people.

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the_mcgee 1 point ago

every number ever gathered from every country in the world contradicts your statements.

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AnthonyBoy 59 points ago

This is bullshit. The government doesn't "test" people. In the US, health numbers are, and have always been, based on reported cases. In other words, people who have gone to the doctor's office for medical issues. The doctors figure out who has what, and report that to the CDC.

Stop trying to cause fear and panic, asshat.

You're a commie, right?

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Barbs 9 points ago

Honestly, this place could use a bit more fear and panic, though in general I’m with you.

Newt Gingrich lives in Italy. His wife is the Ambassador to the Vatican. He said this shit is very real, and we have to act “fast and big” to stop it. He has a piece in Newsweek about it.

Is he stoking fear and panic too?

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AnthonyBoy 42 points ago

No. He is describing Italy. Are you saying it is appropriate for Americans to panic just because Italy likes to hug chinese?

Apples != Oranges <-- Remember this. You will see this material again.

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SniffedByBiden 8 points ago

The trend of infection in the US matches or exceeds the rate in Italy, and that is with us having a far less dense population. It's real and massive govt response is inevitable at this point. Don't panic, just get food and supplies to have on hand or risk depending on govt to help if free movement is restricted

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Block_Helen 4 points ago

I've been using it all week.

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Bramble 24 points ago

We don't run around kissing each other on the checks every 10 minutes, so right there America is less likely to have widespread problems.

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lalicat 18 points ago

I'm an American living in Italy and I can say with confidence, we are superior to Italians in every way.

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HockeyMom4Trump 13 points ago

Even their ability to make a the spaghetti?

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acada 6 points ago

As a percentage of the population or in pure numbers?

That’s an important distinction

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LGBTQABCDEFG 5 points ago

I'm guessing he used pure numbers to make it sound scarier. While leaving out the fact the US has over 5x the population of Italy.

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Block_Helen 8 points ago

Is he stoking fear and panic too?

Yes.

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Block_Helen 1 point ago

Yeah. Their tiny facilities. Their 80 year old patients.

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the_mcgee 1 point ago

You’re wrong here. This is why everyone was raising a fit about testing. Yes CDC testing which was the only covid-19 testing, was surveillance, but for covid-19 has become diagnostic. These some 6k tests are going directly to CDC for confirmation, hence the slow turn around (again not supposed to be diagnostic). The private tests are diagnostic, but they will send data to CDC. I’m not convinced it doesn’t include the cultures.

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AnthonyBoy 0 points ago

Just stop it. (SMDH) The CDC has over 12 thousand employees.

You are just making shit up and rumor mongering in a time of social panic.

You suck.

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the_mcgee 1 point ago

What am I making up? Why do I suck. I think your reading comprehension needs work. All the facts in my comment are directly from the CDC, either their website or directly from them during press conferences.

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the_mcgee 2 points ago

You have some fucking balls posting shit here when you haven’t even watched the full National State of Emergency announcement. They talk about it for like 10 minutes.

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K-Harbour 36 points ago

Where are people getting all this false information? Our total flu death numbers are normal —— so it does not matter whether we are testing or not!!! Plus, the Korea test kits have an enormous error rate —- a reason why they are not used.

Want to start a panic, regardless of disease?? Have everybody tested for something. An Uber-good test kit would have a 1% (or greater) false positive. That would generate over 3 million false positives. Think of the panic that would create (for nothing!). Not to mention draining health care resources (like feeding 3 million people scarce anti-virals). Not to mention the needless worry and pain given to three million families.

People have start to get a grip. Also, we need to start a criminal investigation in the state of Washington.

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FakeNametag 17 points ago

My wife was working as a student in a clinic outside Seattle these past few months (not the one where the outbreak killed everyone). She said the staff in the clinic was abysmal about hand hygiene (this was before the coronavirus hit the news). She is not surprised at all that patients are dropping like flies in long term care facilities.

We are going to find out that the staff in the long term care facility was violating all kinds of standard practices.

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AlohaSnackbar 7 points ago

My wife was working as a student in a clinic

Day 1 zealotry

staff in the clinic was abysmal about hand hygiene

Day 1000 apathy

It's a universal truth of the human condition that things start to slide after a while. And sadly a more universal truth that we will act all aghast and shocked when the entirely predictable short cuts of the staff come to light.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly 20 points ago

I agree with what you're saying. The cases will rise DRAMATICALLY in the next week or two once they start testing more. As the saying goes, "Things are never as bad as they seem, and they're never as good as they seem." I believe there's a middle road to most things, including the Wuhan Coronavirus.

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HilarityComplex 28 points ago

There is increasing evidence that the tests are resulting in false positives.

Looks like they're picking up several forms of coronavirus rather than just covid-19.

Coronavirus is a cause of the common cold.

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OGTD1 20 points ago

Absolutely correct. The differentiations must be stressed in the testing or the media wet dream will continue. At any one time the average hospital had two to four positive Coronavirus patients BEFORE this even started in Wuhan. (Hospital Pede)

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Savy1 4 points ago

If this is true then I would assume it’d mean two things. 1. It’s not as contagious as people believe and 2. It’s mortality rate is higher than we know. More on par with SARS or even MERS? There’s just so many unanswered questions.

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ItsBigLeagueNotBigly 3 points ago

Good point. That could be a possibility, although I am neither a doctor, nor a scientist.

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spez_this 12 points ago

The number of identified cases will rise significantly. The number of related deaths not as much. They've been prioritizing the tests to critical cases that more likely lead to death. Now that there are more tests available, the less severe cases will be tested as well. IOW, I suspect the virulence rate will drop due to the additional testing.

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HockeyMom4Trump 8 points ago

And remember Pedes:

Most emergencies aren’t.

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randomusename 17 points ago

My state they are telling people to stay home, don't go get tested cause the result is the same, you will need 2 weeks of rest and quarantine at home. They don't want to know the true number.

This is everywhere now. Again, in my state, a girl, daughter of a doctor had it, went to school and threw up and fainted. They closed all the schools and wanted 1000 kids to quarantine, they all went out to the mall and hung out instead. There was on claim that a kid went to work in food service.

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justicein2020 27 points ago

The 'testing' is in partnership with google and 23&me...

Be fucking crazy to hand them your dna.

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nunyadangbidness 28 points ago

Is soon as I heard Google was involved, I called bullshit. They're gonna get everyone's DNA. I don't know why but I don't like it.

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Ophelia 5 points ago

I think Google is only in charge of the app

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DeplorableCentipede 2 points ago

Google is only doing an experimental project in the San Francisco Bay Area.

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SpezDispenser 11 points ago

Theyre going to extract the dna from sidewalk feces?

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HilarityComplex 12 points ago

What is it that you think will be accomplished by testing everyone?

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spezisthedevil 32 points ago

I agree. You get tested, it's negative, catch it two days later, wind up with a cold for a week because your young and healthy, ...and you just wasted a test kit. Test kits should be for the elderly, very sick, immunocompromised, etc.

Maybe it's just because I'm old school, or cheap, but I've never had a flu test. What's the point? Treatment is still going to be Nyquil, Gatorade, chicken soup, and avoiding people who are not sick so you don't give it to them. I guess you can take Tamiflu, or whatever, but it's usually useless by the time you show symptoms.

I know a few people on .WIN disagree, but IMO, this thing is over-hyped. Closing down everything is overkill. All you have to do is look at what the MSM is saying, and based on the past, the overwhelming odds say that the opposite of whatever they report is the real truth.

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HilarityComplex 13 points ago

I just read an article on business insider that was about as dumb as one can get.

Here's their logic -

More testing causes more mild cases to be included in the numbers, which lowers the death rate, so if we test more people less people will die!

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spezisthedevil 24 points ago

Old sick people have been dying of similar bugs for years, it just didn't have a neat name like the Chicom Virus, and went down in the books as viral pneumonia. The whole lack of test kits debacle stinks, and when you learn that Rod Rosenstein's sister was in charge of it, you start to wonder if it wasn't on purpose. I feel bad for the people who will die from this bug, but it's definitely being blown out of proportion to damage our economy by a bunch of America-hating scum, and that doesn't sit right with this Patriot.

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HilarityComplex 10 points ago

I'm right there with you brother.

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K-Harbour 6 points ago

Disagree on the test kits — no debacle. It is a miracle that a test kit procedure and process have been created in such a short time (suspiciously short time) for this particular cold virus.

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HockeyMom4Trump 6 points ago

I feel bad for people that die of pneumonia, too. Or the regular old flu. Or any disease.

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K-Harbour 7 points ago

The problem with all testing / test kits is the false positive rate. Even the best test kits —- for any disease, even imaginary ones — will generate enough false positives to create panic, if everyone is tested. On the order of 3 million false positives for every 1% false positive. A test kit with 2% false positive and indiscriminately used on the entire population will generate 6 million fake cases. PANIC!!!

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kjj9 2 points ago

If you read carefully, the people who know what they are talking about mention that the number of people tested is half the number of tests run.

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago

Lol!

When they test 10 sick people and they all have it, 10/10 have it. Then they all die. One hundred percent of people that get it, die! Buy toilet paper!

If they test everyone 10/1,000,000 have it. Ten people die. Shrug. Not many people died.

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Antiochus 10 points ago

Restarting a trillion dollar economy will be harder, and create more displacement in the form of recession (or worse) than living with the risk.

That's my bet. I'm on board with social distancing, hand washing, but shutting down businesses will create enduring challenges.

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HockeyMom4Trump 6 points ago

Yes. And the unemployment rate will go up if businesses close and lay people off. Unless you want to get a job making toilet paper.

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HilarityComplex 4 points ago

This x 1000

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OrangeElvis 9 points ago

I am old school, too but Tamiflu is bad ass if you actually get the flu. Cuts recovery in half or more. Fever for more than 24 hrs = dr visit, period. I had strep three weeks ago and was as sick as I had been in 30 years. Wife called "teledoc" got through to physician and then put me on phone to verify identity and croak out my symptoms. Had a prescription called in to pharmacy and down my throat 90 min later - no co-pay, except the $5 for antibiotic...

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spezisthedevil 5 points ago

Good to know. I'm rarely sick, but will consider it next time.Thanks for info.

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Brookes 5 points ago

I agree, I got some nasty flu last month, turned into pneumonia, gee that was fun. I did get tamiflu right away and it helped. The pneumonia was a side effect because I’m an old fart with a weakened immune system due to another illness I have.

I recovered and am not worried about C-19. I just kicked pneumonia’s ass, I’m a tough old broad!

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magabirdlady 3 points ago

Yes it really made a difference for me when I had the swine flu..I would recommend as well.

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Indefatigable_Winner 2 points ago

Can confirm. Currently on day 4 of 5 of Tammiflu. Two days ago I felt awful with a fever. Now I’m totally fine.

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SpezDispenser 1 point ago

Also going to highly recommend ZMA as a supplement. Good for the immune system, good for getting solid rest.

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HilarityComplex 1 point ago

Tried ZMA for a bit and I also read that it helped with sleep.

Had the exact opposite effect on me.

It made it almost impossible for me to sleep.

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cccpneveragain 5 points ago

When I saw what was on CNN yesterday for the first time, I knew it had to all be overblown. Like when is the last time CNN reported something that wasn't overblown?

I cancelled a trip I was going to take today. I really feel like that's just me contributing to the hype but Trump himself hinted at domestic travel restrictions and it just wasn't a long or interesting enough trip to deal with having to get home if flights were grounded, etc. I'm still not doing anything else different. I may drive somewhere closer or at the very least I'm buying normal food and doing normal things. That's the best we can do is not contribute to the stupidity.

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I feel like people staying home should order in food delivery from local family owned restaurants, or otherwise do something to keep the economy going, because when the panic ends, all the big companies will still be around, but the mom and pop places might go under, which is exactly what CNN (and the scumbag Left) want.

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cccpneveragain 5 points ago

Absolutely. Unless I start to feel sick I will continue going to all of my regular places to eat and such as long as they remain open. If I get sick maybe I try out the delivery. Most of my frequent spots have employees that have been there a while and offer good friendly service. I'd hate for one of them to lose their job (or in the case of a local place their business) over all this.

My job/paychecks are extremely unlikely to be at risk from all of this, so I almost consider it a duty to continue to stimulate the economy just as I was. The alternative it to let it all go to shit and then the commies will take over. The tasty food joints will all go away and instead I get to stand in line for stale bread and my pay is confiscated so those employees that used to have the food joints get bread from the line too. Everyone loses.

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HockeyMom4Trump 5 points ago

Even then, what good is a test? Okay, your grandma in a nursing home has symptoms and tests positive. Then what? Same as if she were sick before. Treat the symptoms, and if someone is sick they should stay away from people anyway. I

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DeplorableCentipede 1 point ago

Then they would know that everyone she was in contact with are at risk and should also be tested.

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IAbsolutelyDare 3 points ago

All you have to do is look at what the MSM is saying, and based on the past, the overwhelming odds say that the opposite of whatever they report is the real truth.

As someone who died when the BP oil spill wiped out all life on earth, I approve this sentiment.

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago

Well, I barely, just barely, recovered from net neutrality

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IAbsolutelyDare 3 points ago

We lost a lotta good pedes to net neutrality.

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randomusename 4 points ago

you get a real feel for how wide spread it is and handle on the mortality rate, and not a panic for no reason.

Can't they do that with a random sampling like they do for surveys/polling?

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HilarityComplex 3 points ago

You will only get people who voluntarily submit for testing.

Unless you force them.

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randomusename 3 points ago

Right. No one is doing any random sampling, not publicly at least.
Past a few confirmed cases in a state, you know its widespread, and out in the wild. Those looking at confirmed cases and deaths and trying to do some math on mortality are spinning their wheels, those numbers don't mean anything unless you are actually doing some sampling to get a number on how many cases there are out there.

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kjj9 1 point ago

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

This article give a good analysis of the data. You can estimate some of the unknowns, including the size of the untested infected pool.

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Supersaiyanbroly737 3 points ago

There's a reason why several countries have changed their testing parameters.

It not practical to test everyone because those who get a negative today might get test positive tomorrow.

The best approach is for everyone to practice social distancing or even self-quarantine if possible.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago

There's no need to test everyone. But, confirming suspected cases of COVID-19 enables the local health authority to do contact tracing, at least until the number of cases becomes unmanageable.

Close contacts of the confirmed case can be isolated and monitored, preventing them from spreading it further. And if any close contacts are vulnerable, the early warning may save their life.

It isn't just the elderly that are vulnerable. Anyone with a compromised immune system is vulnerable, and that includes people on immunosuppressants like Enbrel, Humira, and Taltz. It's likely you know someone on an immunosuppressant, but aren't aware of it.

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Watermelons 2 points ago

The only thing testing everyone does is makes the predictive rate of the disease very low. False positives will be greater than true positives.

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Brulz_Lulz 13 points ago

Imagine being a healthy young man or women with normal resperatory system. Then imagine you get flu like symptoms. Then image that you're such a pussy that you panic, drive to a health care center and demand to be tested while exposing everyone else to your contagion rather than hunkering down at home for a few days like a normal person should.

This is a nothing burger. More people will die from the regular flu this year than they will from the Wuhan flu. Stop being such a scared faggot and just practice basic hygiene and common sense.

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IllUseAnchorBaby 10 points ago (edited)

Dude this is not good logic. I agree that there are many more that have it, but all this means is: A) this whole panic over mortality rate is unfounded, as in reality it’s much closer to what the flu is (more total cases = lower mortality rate) B) corona is oftentimes so MILD that people aren’t even reporting it, this doesn’t exactly scream “it’s panic time” to me

Basically, the flu, even in a mild flu season, will kill WAAAAY more people than corona ever will. Panicking and cancelling life over this is dumb.

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AngelMark 5 points ago

Tom Hanks is a pedofile and will most likely kill himself and use the virus as the excuse for his death. He KNOWS we know his dirty dirty secrets and are coming for him! Does everyone get tested for flu that killed almost 30,000 people here this season? How about flu tests in past since 600,000 die ANNUALY from it? I'm not getting tested or vaccinated! I don't trust ANYONE at this point except Pres Trump!

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Famousinternetgirls 0 points ago

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Barbs -5 points ago

You’re taking the slings and arrows today bud, lol. Keep fighting the good fight!

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Sumarongi 1 point ago

How do we fight back?

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TPMJB 120 points ago

It has shut down my entire fucking country. Iceland has like 400 sick. They cleared out colleges and banned public gatherings of more than a hundred people. There's something really wrong here and I can't put my finger on exactly what.

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HilarityComplex 97 points ago

People see an opportunity to sieze control and grow government.

And people across our country are cheering it on.

Scares the shit out of me.

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commies0ride0free 37 points ago

Friend of mine thinks they’re using this to usher in the one world government.

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HilarityComplex 34 points ago

It's definitely a step in that direction, and I GUARANTEE there are globalists licking their chops at the possibility.

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PurestEvil 10 points ago

Hmm... if anything, the pandemic is a big argument against Globalism as a whole. The Globalist powers that be will really have to struggle in order to bend it to their benefit.

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IAbsolutelyDare 6 points ago

Wuflu is climate change 2.0.

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Wulfschilde 14 points ago

I don’t buy that. If that was it, why not release a disease that actually kills a lot of people? The swine flu killed like a thousand times as many or something. This is just a hysteria and the hysterical should be brought to task for it.

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Mrdarkshine 10 points ago

They don't have to. This shit is going perfectly according to plan just by hyping up bad data and false models.

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kag-2020- 8 points ago

What better way to do it than a socially acceptable full government lockdown that destroys the world economy.

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HockeyMom4Trump 15 points ago

People are sheep. They want someone to take care of them. One lady was screeching about her grandma and how it was the government’s job to keep her safe. I just have a different mindset. If it’s my grandma, I am going to take responsibility for keeping her safe. I am not relying on the government to keep me healthy (I need to make good choices), feed my kids, pay for my utilities...

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Block_Helen 11 points ago

Scares the shit out of me.

Me too. About 1000x more than coronavirus scares me.

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Sumarongi 5 points ago

#metooo

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Kinestron 9 points ago

I was thinking the same thing. They are constantly testing how much control they have. Take the boston bombing for instance, where they told all residents to stay in their homes for fear of being shot when the brothers were on the run...people complied. It was as if Red Dawn had happened and Russians were parachuting into every neighborhood.

Do that in the 50s and every American would have been outside with their gun. What happened to that American spirit?

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HilarityComplex 4 points ago

A town near here had high winds cause damage to a neighborhood. No one died or was injured.

The city told everyone they had to leave their homes for several days while repairs were made, or they would be forced out.

Most homes were undamaged.

Glad I didn't live there. I would have blown a fuse.

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Barbs -31 points ago

The potential of this virus should scare you just as bad. With the way things are going right now I fully expect martial law to be enacted at some point. Too many people still want to downplay this, so they’re going to have to force people to act.

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HilarityComplex 40 points ago

I am absolutely not convinced of the potential of this virus.

I am, however, 100 percent convinced of the animal nature of man when mob mentality takes hold.

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Killer 25 points ago

59 people you retard, more people have choked on a ribeye in the last few days

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DeplorableCentipede -9 points ago

Every disease starts small. We don’t want NCov to turn into just another flu that comes back year after year but with a 10-30x higher death rate.

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TPMJB 13 points ago

You might as well have picked the username "Not a shill" for how convincing you're being of a "Trump supporter" right now.

"I have a sample size of just over 100k and people who have relatively mild symptoms are not being tested, but those mortality rates are super accurate when comparing to the hundreds of millions who come down with the flu each year!!!"

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DeplorableCentipede -6 points ago

Apparently, being anti-plague makes me a shill!

The models that are used to calculate the death rate account for unreported cases. Their assumptions for how many unreported cases there are may not be entirely accurate, but I tend to err on the side of believing until there’s evidence that the models are wrong.

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TPMJB 5 points ago

The models that are used to calculate the death rate account for unreported cases.

Show me the models. You might even do me the favor of examining those models for confounding variables (like the sample size being incredibly small comparatively, not everyone being tested, etc etc) to save me the trouble.

Their assumptions for how many unreported cases there are may not be entirely accurate

And what can you glean from this?

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Block_Helen 23 points ago

Too many people still want to downplay this, so they’re going to have to force people to act.

WTF did I just read?

The little proto-fascists are everywhere. Even on TD.

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Sumarongi 5 points ago

Probably a PLA shill

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DisgustedByMisleadia -1 points ago

Public health agencies already have the power to forcibly quarantine someone with a contagious disease, especially one with no effective treatment. They do it for tuberculosis, and people have been arrested for defying it.

My county in Texas has imposed a home quarantine on about two dozen people, because they were either in a country with a COVID-19 epidemic, or were known to be in close contact with someone who tested positive. So far, all have either completed the 14-day quarantine without symptoms, tested negative after becoming symptomatic, or are still in quarantine. There have been no confirmed cases so far, and we are on the periphery of a major metro area.

The OP's point is that if the current measures (which are inconvenient, but not a "lockdown") don't work because people don't take them seriously, more restrictive measures will be implemented. What they will be or how they will be enforced is an open question.

Italy ignored the problem until it got out of control, and have had to resort to draconian measures. You can't leave your home except for necessities like food, medicine, etc. Spain, Lithuania, France, Poland and Norway have implemented similar measures, but not as restrictive.

We can avoid more restrictive measures, if we take the current ones seriously. Doing so will save lives. I explain the numbers here:

https://thedonald.win/p/4KFjkIR/x/c/Gbometq1

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Block_Helen 1 point ago

We are not Europe. We value liberty here. We may save some lives but at what cost?

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago (edited)

No, we aren't. But, don't think that more severe restrictions will not be imposed, if local authorities deem it necessary. It shouldn't be country-wide, as there's no reason to apply the same restrictions to a small town in the middle of nowhere vs. NYC. And, there's no reason to impose them where there's no serious outbreak.

It's already done in the aftermath of major disasters like tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. We can complain, but the precedent is already established.

Aside from the cancellation of large events and classes, current US restrictions for people not knowingly exposed or symptomatic are largely voluntary. We can keep it that way by doing the right things now:

  • limiting unnecessary social contact
  • self-isolate if you don't feel well
  • get tested if you develop the symptoms (although that's currently difficult)
  • If you test positive (or doctors tell you you probably have it), notify all your close contacts so they can self-isolate.

You have the liberty to ignore these guidelines and put others at risk, or do the right thing and maybe help protect the life of someone close to you. As I explain in the post I linked above, not all of them are elderly.

You also have the liberty to prevent this from escalating further, which could make it difficult for more people to go to work and provide for their family.

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stepping_razor123 15 points ago

they’re going to have to force people to act."

Its for your own good we have to forcibly remove you from your home and put you in this quarantine camp.

spez: Until the next time "this is a really bad strain of flu we have to act". A year after that "the earth's climate is breaking, this is a climate emergency all the Western nations have to shut down for the next 3 months-China and India can carry on but all you white people in America and Europe are not allowed outside your homes".

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Kinestron 8 points ago

"force people to act" ????

That is a Democrat way of thinking. Hey, don't talk that way or we will accuse you of a hate crime, shut down your business, etc. It's for the good of society. Ok, Mr. NPC. You do that.

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mrspaulrevere 7 points ago

My understanding of martial law, when they lock down a city or county for example, is that there is no warning, you are just told you are now under it. I suppose this is to prevent anyone fleeing the area. True?

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HockeyMom4Trump 5 points ago

They are already forcing things to shutdown everywhere. Governors are closing all public and PRIVATE schools...

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2honks 3 points ago

I'm not sure your angle with this. The research of this virus does show it is highly contagious. Most people will just deal with a bad flu, 2 to 8 weeks long. The issue is people in poor health are the ones who will drop like flies with it. Compared to other viruses, this one does not have as high of a mortality rate. Even if we found every single infected person on the planet and quarantined them, they still touched surfaces. It is nearly impossible to wipe out a contagion on this earth. What if they were eating something and double-dipped? A week later somebody else wants a bite of that cheese dip. Well..

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Block_Helen 9 points ago

The issue is people in poor health are the ones who will drop like flies with it.

Yeah, same as flu.

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HockeyMom4Trump 6 points ago

This is why we smack double dippers in the hand and call them nasty bastards

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AngelMark 15 points ago

The Worldwide Deep State pedofiles, money launderers are trying to escape justice. That's what is going on. If they can tank the WW economy and get rid of Trump they can continue fucking n killing children while stealing our tax dollars hand over fist!

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kag-2020- 6 points ago

Adrenochrome withdrawal is making them go crazier than usual.

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TPMJB 2 points ago

ELI5 adrenochrome? I heard this thrown around in a couple dark corners of the internet but didn't care to look it up.

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Tyrone_biggums 2 points ago

Elixir from the kidneys of babes, quaffed by the reptilians as an extender of days

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kag-2020- 1 point ago

They don't call him skippy for nothing. They need to trigger an adrenaline shot to the brain by scaring kids and then suck it out, blend it up and turn it into a slurpee cocktail called adrenochrome. Allegedly it makes you hallucinate Satan himself. Probably not a hallucination though.

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K-Harbour 8 points ago

Best way to get the DNA of everyone.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 3 points ago

Your country doesn't want to be like Italy.

They ignored the problem until it got out of control. Now, they are having to decide who gets to live and who dies, because they don't have enough critical care resources for the critically ill.

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TPMJB 10 points ago

My country is fucking retarded. There's nobody working. I have shit that needs to be done, and everyone here (SARS or not) takes off from work if they have the slightest sniffle, or simply that they got home too late the night before and didn't feel like coming in. There's not a hard worker in a hundred square miles. Except for Polish people, of course.

They ignored the problem until it got out of control. Now, they are having to decide who gets to live and who dies, because they don't have enough critical care resources for the critically ill.

You are fucking batty if you believe that LOL. This is not the next plague. Take your meds.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago

You are fucking batty if you believe that LOL. This is not the next plague. Take your meds.

You can read the news in Italy, and see for yourself.

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TPMJB 6 points ago

Mass hysteria and poor self-care causes deaths? Oh man, is water wet as well?

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DisgustedByMisleadia -3 points ago

Mass hysteria and poor self-care causes deaths? Oh man, is water wet as well?

Translation: you were wrong, and don't want to admit it.

Go edit your prior response and apologize, and maybe I'll respond further.

Otherwise, have a nice day.

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TPMJB 5 points ago (edited)

I stand by what I said. Just because you want to be right so bad doesn't mean you are. It's okay buddy, everyone goes through high school at some point in their lives. You'll learn to develop your critical thinking skills at some point in your life

Edit: I will edit this comment though. "Read the news LOL CHECKMATE DRUMPF" is a great tactic if you can't find actual data. But yeah, the news is FAKENEWS until a "pandemic" comes about. Then it's 100% accurate.

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DisgustedByMisleadia -2 points ago

"Read the news LOL CHECKMATE DRUMPF" is a great tactic if you can't find actual data

Translating again: If you put your fingers in your ears and chant "I can't hear you!", you don't have to face the truth.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/14/elderly-left-isolated-abandoned-italy-death-rate-soars/

It was here that an exasperated anesthesiologist revealed this week that the lack of available breathing machines and ICU beds were forcing doctors to make devastating decisions about who to save and who to let die, based on age and health conditions. “We decide depending on their age and the condition of their health. That is not me saying that, but the medical procedure manuals,” Christian Salaroli, 48, told the newspaper Corriere della Sera.

What's your next sarcastic rejoinder?

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QuidQuoProJoe 113 points ago

They hate this president so much, they decided to burn down the entire economy than have him continue to expose the corruption and money making schemes of Washington DC.

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OhioRiverGator 57 points ago

THIS^^^^^^^ It isn't a coincidence that this is happening just before Trump's re-election. The deep state is desperate.

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meteorknife 2 points ago

I wouldn't be surprised if part of closing down air travel and public gatherings was a fear that deep staters would traffic in sick people to try to create a real pandemic.

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AngelMark 29 points ago

It's not gonna stop what's coming for Pelosi and her band of kiddie fucking treasonous money launderers! 🍿🍿🍿🍿

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K-Harbour 18 points ago

I guess this is a joint project of Gates, Bloomberg, and Johns Hopkins? OCTOBER 2019.

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RighteousViolence1 13 points ago

Look up event 201.

Event 201 was a pandemic practice run several months ago. I bet you can’t guess what virus they used in their pretend outbreak... yep. Corona virus. This shit we are seeing right now is not an accident.

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Kinestron 17 points ago

I don't want to agree because I don't want to believe people could do such a thing or have that much power but I can't see it any other way.

I am always discussing politics with a co-worker and we talk about what criminals will do for just a few hundred or thousands of dollars(kill, steal, lie, etc). Now, imagine a person of influence, power and possibly making millions if not billions. As a common joe in America, we can't hope to fathom just how far such people will go or how they think. Trump crashed their party un-invited(we, the people sent the invitation) and they are having him forcibly ejected.

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spezisapedo 5 points ago

and Andrew Gillum is out having gay orgies and doing meth sugar.

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Return_Of_The_LAMFF 77 points ago

TRUMP 2020!!!

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K-Harbour 17 points ago

We need to investigate Bloomberg’s and Gate’s role in all this.

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Return_Of_The_LAMFF 17 points ago

This whole thing seems like a globally coordinated plot to remove DJT from office.

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Isolated_Patriot 13 points ago

Not just DJT, the right has been regaining power the world over. They want to put an end to it all.

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Return_Of_The_LAMFF 6 points ago

Makes sense. Smash the worldwide populist movement with government controlled quarantines that cripple businesses and make citizens completely dependent on the state. It's diabolically effective.

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FuckReddit4545 2 points ago (edited)

To them, the ends justify the means. They're willing to kill us all in the name of collectivism, a virus doing the job for them plus the people beg for more government control? That's a win win in their book.

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Jeezy1879 11 points ago

The real reason for the panic is they think this will help them somehow in 2020. This has nothing to do with Trump other than his response.

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LGBTQABCDEFG 7 points ago

Well they fucked up. This shit will be totally forgotten by election time, hell I'd be surprised if it makes it to May.

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Return_Of_The_LAMFF 4 points ago

Originally it may not have had anything to do with Trump but his enemies have capitalized on it effectively. Let's see how he pivots and keep praying for the man!

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TakingCoatsWIN 61 points ago

I'm a bit torn, I feel the same way as OP but at the same time I fear we're at the tip of the iceberg in America and we will see staggering numbers of cases within the next 2 weeks as more testing goes underway. Hopefully it's just the fear propaganda making me nervous right now but we will see in the next few weeks.

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AngelMark 27 points ago

Well 30,000 to 70,000 people die here in U.S. EVERY YEAR from flu. Is anyone worried about that? No? Then I will go on as if this virus is just another false flag to take down Pres Trump and America!

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_-Th0r-_ 21 points ago

A Dem guy every time I bring that point up:

“bUt We HaVe A vAcCiNe FoUr ThAt...”

Yes. Yes we do. And it still kills that many people without you or the media glued to the story.

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Block_Helen 16 points ago

And the vaccine doesn't always work and is based on "best guess." And it's made by the CDC which everyone is bagging on right now.

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NewVoatAccountName 2 points ago

Not to mention the secret fund used to quiet the families of anyone injured/killed by vaccines.

There's no such thing as a cure-all medicine, partially because every disease is different and partially because every patient is different.

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Trundel -7 points ago

Overwhelming majority that die of flu don’t get the flu shot.

The flu shot is usually about 40%-60% effective at preventing you from getting the flu but its very effective at preventing you from dying of the flu.

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DontApologize 2 points ago

That is just not true. Flu vaccine only protects against specific strains. It does not give the patient flu toughness.

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HuggableBear 0 points ago

Yes and no. The flu vaccine is only moderately effective at best for the year you get it because there are so many strains.

But if you get one every year, you end up with antibodies for all the different strains and if they guessed wrong this year it's okay because you got the shot three years ago that had that strain.

One flu shot doesn't do much. Annual flu shots basically make you immune.

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CnnWillBlackmailYou 0 points ago

If this were even remotely factual, why do we see the exact same number of deaths as we always have? Use your brain, man. These vaccines are 100% about money, not health.

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HuggableBear 0 points ago

Because people don't get their vaccines, dumbass, because they get it one year and still get the flu and then say shit like you just did. Only about 40% of the population even gets a flu shot each year, and a good percentage of those aren't getting it every single year.

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CnnWillBlackmailYou 1 point ago

Often the vaccine is less than 10% effective. Usually it's less than a coin flip. And we have no idea what the ramifications are because they haven't tested the new formulations for the vaccine in over a decade.

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DeplorableCentipede -2 points ago

Great. Do you want another flu that also kills 30,000 to 70,000 people per year? Because that’s what’ll happen if we don’t contain the coronavirus.

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cjcivicx 0 points ago

30-70k isn’t even 1% of the population...

Cry me a river.

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TPMJB 17 points ago

We could have millions of cases. It's still less lethal than the flu. Get over it

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SneakyDD 13 points ago (edited)

No, this is not less lethal than the flu. It is the flu. The reason coronavirus is more lethal than the common flu is what happens afterward. The SARS line of viruses are extremely good at attacking your immune cells inside your respiratory tract. So the flu itself is not what kills you. It's your body's natural ability to fight off bateria that the virus is killing. That is what pneumonia is caused by - bacteria - and it's very hard to come back once you have severe pneumonia. Also the elderly are much less likely to fight it off. So "just the flu" is a very misleading and dangerous statement to make about SARS line of viruses. The reason coronaavirus is SARS ON CRACK is because it can spread like wildfire before any symptoms arise. Thus every person can theoretically be infecting 100 other people before they even have a single symptom. This is called exponential growth and if you know anything about exponents, it means if we don't stop it now eventually everyone will catch it within a few months.

edit: Recommend reading replies that are schooling me on what I said above, which I will be learning from. Thanks

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Vellicho 13 points ago

I think that's the point of this freakout - it's too late to stop it. There's a diseases that can incubate for two weeks without symptoms and then suddenly onset to cause so real damage? Yeah - good luck containing that.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 4 points ago

It may be too late to stop it, but it's not too late to SLOW IT DOWN.

Slowing it down could mean the difference between life and death for those that will become critically ill after contracting this virus.

We don't have the excess ICU space (about 95K beds, about 2/3rds already in use) to handle a sudden influx of critically ill patients.

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Vellicho 6 points ago

Don’t get me wrong - I’m not advocating that we don’t try and slow the spread, but we need to manage some realistic expectations.

It’s going to get everywhere. For many - myself included - hunkering down at home for a few weeks isn’t an option. I’m the sole income for a wife and three kids, so I’ll find work when my employer decides not to pay me a free “vacation.” Multiply my situation by every other similar circumstance and we’ve got a huge problem.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago

You don't have to hunker down at home for a few weeks. Only Italy has mandated it, so far. Other countries have only closed restaurants, bars, etc.

If we can slow down the spread by curtailing VOLUNTARY activities, then we can avoid the kind of disruption European countries are implementing.

That's being realistic.

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Vellicho 2 points ago

I hear you, but the level of attention this is getting compared with the means of preparation people are taking is inconsistent.

Why are people stocking up on toilet paper? What kind of crisis are we anticipating that a month’s worth of toilet paper is the answer? Paper towels, chicken, bread, and dairy products instead are flying off shelves instead of soap, detergent, tampons, bandages, propane, and gasoline.

I mean - what are we preparing for?

... continue reading thread?
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DeplorableCentipede 1 point ago

China has more or less contained it, and if China can do it, so can we.

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thisguy883 8 points ago

I don't believe a thing that comes out of China.

It's probably worse over there than we are lead to believe.

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toecutter 3 points ago

Found the Chinese Reddit bot!

Don't believe a fucking thing Chyna says.

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spezisacuckold -1 points ago (edited)

China didn’t try to #FlattenTheCurve.

They just quarantined some cities and let if flame out in a burst of glory to get it over with. Notice how all Apple stores have already reopened in China? “Flattening the curve” with social distance will indeed likely lower the number of cases contracted, but not enough to significantly ease any hospital resource shortages enough. It will also greatly prolong the negative economic effects.

China was actually smart in my opinion in letting it essentially burn itself out in a blaze of glory. They’re already getting back to normal.

https://flattenthecurve.herokuapp.com/

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df0ster5 13 points ago

I think the point though is that its only potentially fatal to a very small percentage of people - there is no vaccone or cure, and the virus is already here. Shutting everything down to the point people are losing their 401ks is asinine when all we're doing is prolonging the inevitable, that without a vax everyone is eventually going to get it. And said vax could take years, or maybe even never be created.

The point is, go about your life, be smart and if you feel sick don't go near elderly people until youre better.

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Mrputts 14 points ago

The 401ks are like the virus. They are only affecting old people.

This market is going to fucking rally to 35000 when this is over in a few weeks.

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6-_-j 11 points ago

You bet your ass it will, this is a great time to make some money while the market is down. It will go sky high soon enough.

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fuzzywhiterabbit 6 points ago

First-time investor because of everything going down in price.

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spezisacuckold 2 points ago

Flattening the curve will literally prolong the economic shutdown by months, maybe even up until around Election Day. You don’t want basically everything shutdown and self-quarantined for all of spring, summer, and a bit of autumn.

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DontApologize 2 points ago

It's smart because we can slow the spread of the virus. This gives us more time to ramp up testing and protocols to fight it. The more experience we have dealing with this disease the more we can lower the death rate. Its also believed that the virus cannot survive very hot weather . If we make it to june/july without severe community spread we will be okay, and the economy we rebound bigly.

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DisgustedByMisleadia 2 points ago

if you feel sick don't go near elderly people until youre better.

It's not just elderly people at risk. Anyone with a compromised immune system is at risk, and that includes people on immunosuppresants like Enbrel, Humira, and Talz.

If you're not feeling well, please stay home. Your neighbor or co-worker may be on immunosuppressants, and you'd never know.

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TPMJB 9 points ago

Well if you want to mince words, the flu is caused by influenza.

The SARS line of viruses are extremely good at attacking your immune cells inside your respiratory tract.

The SARS line of viruses uses the alveolar epithelial type II cells (ACE2) as a target. It does not attack immune cells directly. If you heard that somewhere, it probably evolved from the "OMG ITZ LIKE HIV" bullshit rumor that was spreading around.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-020-05985-9

Also the elderly are much less likely to fight it off.

Just like the flu, the elderly are most likely to die from dehydration, whilst being slightly more at risk for uncommon complications.

he reason coronaavirus is SARS ON CRACK is because it can spread like wildfire before any symptoms arise.

This is every respiratory disease. Flu is 1-4 days. Original SARS is up to 14 days. Please stop sipping the Kool-aid:

https://www.medicinenet.com/severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome_sars/article.htm

This is called exponential growth and if you know anything about exponents, it means if we don't stop it now eventually everyone will catch it within a few months.

Lecturing a scientist on "exponential growth" is not going to win you any bonus points. Especially when the basic MOA of the disease is completely foreign to you.

Support your argument with actual data and try again. In the meantime, I'm going home. Work on a Sunday is bullshit.

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Block_Helen 7 points ago

and if you know anything about exponents, it means if we don't stop it now eventually everyone will catch it within a few months.

If you knew anything about epidemiology, you wouldn't make that statement. Look up Farr's Law.

Or ask yourself: why has the virus already peaked in China, which has 1 billion people and a far higher rate of exposure?

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DeplorableCentipede 2 points ago

China did extensive and thorough quarantines. We don’t have that here to nearly the same extent.

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DontApologize 0 points ago

China totally botched the quarantines. That's the truth. They let it spread unchecked for two months - including letting 5 million people out of wuhan and then decided to clamp down like crazy to compensate.
But that is not the best approach.. China is trying to seem superior to the West but they are not..

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spezisacuckold 1 point ago

I mean it’s past peak in China and they’re already getting back to “normal” so...

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DeplorableCentipede 1 point ago

Even after the botched job, they still managed to contain the disease. That’s why I don’t get why people here seem to think widespread community spreading is inevitable. China isn’t superior to the West, so there’s no reason we can’t contain it.

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Block_Helen 1 point ago

Yeah, they only quarantined after massive exposure, yet still....it peaked.

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FakeNametag 6 points ago

You are over exaggerating the amount of people that one person can infect. The R0 of this virus is somewhere around 2.2, not 100.

Also, the growth curve for cases is not an exponential function, it follows a sigmoidal curve. This is the curve they are speaking of "flattening out".

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the_mcgee 1 point ago

“spreads like wildfire*

less than 100k infections in a country of 1.5 billion

Please, go on.

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Tyrone_biggums 1 point ago

Your stamtent that Coronavirus kills people by weakening their immune system and then causing them to get bacterial pneumonia is false. Viruses themselves infect and attack the cells of the air sacs and tubes of your lungs, causing viral pneumonia, which is what kills many who die of the flu or Coronavirus.

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SneakyDD 1 point ago

ok ty

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red_teufels 5 points ago

One nursing home gets hit many dead... from one nursing home. Just wait tell they all get hit.

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Bramble 22 points ago

You should hear what happens when a bad flu hits a nursing home.

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MeatloafFvck 9 points ago

How come we haven’t heard about any other nursing home anywhere in the US getting hit ?

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StrangerThanFiction 3 points ago

There had been cases in at least two WA nursing homes. Also a healthcare worker in a top Boston Hospital just tested positive. It's going to spread, that's just reality. The risk to general population though, is low. The problem is older people and of course people with pre existing conditions.

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DeplorableCentipede 1 point ago

Because the disease isn’t that widespread yet.

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MeatloafFvck 3 points ago

By now you have heard about at least a few more nursing homes with an outbreak - have you ever been to some of these nursing homes ?

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Chick-fill-eh 8 points ago

Yes, a bunch of people who have pneumonia will die.

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Brookes 6 points ago

I just beat it at 62! I also have an illness that makes me a target for secondary infection etc. thus why I got pneumonia after having the flu. Yes I got my shot, but they don’t normally give pneumonia shots to anyone under 65. Guess who’s going to demand one every year now!

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TPMJB 8 points ago

Imagine what would happen if these nursing homes got hit by the flu. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine. We have data.

Imagine what would happen if we removed all those deaths that occurred because of dehydration. We'd have about 40 deaths.

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Brookes 7 points ago

There’s a huge senior retirement complex near my house. Yesterday I drove past and they now have security check in at the front gate. I’m glad they are protecting our elders. They (we) are most at risk.

The rest of this shut down is crap.

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cuckslasher 0 points ago

you get old

you get sick

you die

news at 8

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K-Harbour 4 points ago

Yes. Infection rate of corona versus A&B flu is 4%. That puts overall death rate for corona at one tenth of one percent to one twentieth of one percent.

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DONT_reply_with_THIS 1 point ago

It's 10x more lethal than the flu.

I came down with something in early February that put me on my ass.

Fever causing me to sweat, phlegm and a constant cough that made my pounding headache worse.

I bounced back within a few days. No idea what that was.

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Block_Helen 10 points ago

If you "bounced back within a few days" then it sounds like regular flu.

We don't know how lethal it is because we don't know how many people have it.

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Trundel 3 points ago

You won’t bounce back from the flu in a couple of days. That would be a cold.

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Block_Helen 2 points ago

I almost typed that. Agree.

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LS_DJ 9 points ago

If you had a lot of phlegm, it was probably seasonal flu. COVID-19 is specifically a dry cough.

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DONT_reply_with_THIS 2 points ago

It wasn't a lot of phlegm. I remember my head pounding every time I coughed which had never happened before. It came on very quickly after visiting a friend who's wife was sick.

I was sweating while running a meeting at work which never happens. I usually run hot but sweat pooling on my forehead was strange.

I went home early, worked from home the next day and went back in because colleagues couldn't figure out shit without me in the office.

I was washing my hands constantly and bought Lysol wipes.

Not saying it was the Chinese Wuhan virus just saying it was strange.

I just got back from international travel for work and I'm self quarantining right now.

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Brookes 7 points ago

I had the exact symptoms you had. But I ended up with pneumonia cause I’m older and have a weakened immune system. Glad you’re all better! But I beat the pneumonia too.

You can’t keep us elder pedes down. We’re tough and we’re pissed off.

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spez_this 5 points ago

10x may be a bit exaggerated due to the lack of testing. The limited tests were focused on the severely ill and at-risk. As more testing is done I believe that this rate will drop.

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HilarityComplex 5 points ago

10x may be a bit is most definitely exaggerated due to the lack of testing.

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kjj9 0 points ago (edited)

10x is the low estimate - it is being realized in countries that were able to contain their outbreaks below the capacity of their hospitals. In countries where the hospitals are overwhelmed, the fatality rate is averaging around 30x more lethal than the flu.

The rough breakdown is 80% mild symptoms - rest and recover at home. 15% severe symptoms - need hospitalization. 5% critical symptoms - need ICU care.

Of the critical cases that require an ICU, about 1 in 5 die no matter what. The prognosis for the other 4 depends on the availability of ICU care. If there are enough ventilators, enough monitors, enough doctors, enough nurses - most of them will recover. If there are not enough, most of them will die.

Spez - in case it wasn't obvious the flu death rate is about 0.1%, 10x is 1% which corresponds to the "1 in 5" of the 5% of critical cases. 30x corresponds to just over half of that same critical 5% dying.

Also, the people who survive do not appear to be "just fine" when they recover. We don't know the long term yet, but the people who require ventilation are fucked up by it and could be crippled for years or for life.

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TPMJB 2 points ago

It's 10x more lethal than the flu.

Data?

I came down with something in early February that put me on my ass.

Cool story bro

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DONT_reply_with_THIS -2 points ago

How about you put a fucking ounce of effort in your comment.

In congressional testimony this week, Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the top medical experts in the Trump administration, said that the new coronavirus “is ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-vs-the-flu-the-difference-between-a-1-and-0-1-fatality-rate-is-huge/

Quit being such a combative faggot and use bing.

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TPMJB 2 points ago

Oh wow! A doctor associated with Trump said it so it must be true!

Except for that fact that he is either working with a limited data set or not using a data set at all.

Time to use those critical thinking skills for once in your life. I know high school was rough for you, but critical thinking is a skill that needs to be employed for life.

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DONT_reply_with_THIS 1 point ago

You asked for a source and I provided one. Are you going to source any of your retarded claims?

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TPMJB -2 points ago

It's 10x more lethal than the flu.

Data?

I came down with something in early February that put me on my ass.

Cool story bro

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TheOutlawPepeWales 11 points ago

We know about the most critical cases, so as the testing increases and the overall number of cases raises, the reported mortality rate will continue to decline. I really hope that number is as staggering as you fear, because if we find out a half million Americans have already been infected it would mean the disease is considerably less lethal than the flu.

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K-Harbour 11 points ago

I did not get worried until I realized they are going to get DNA samples of everyone and a small number of defective test kits can now generate enough false positives to create any panic you want.

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Pirate_Lafitte 9 points ago

DNA database,? No thanks. I'll take my chances

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Bramble 9 points ago

Yes, we will see staggering numbers, then suddenly everyone will realize it's not a problem after all when so few show any real symptoms.

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Shroudedf8 8 points ago

Just try to remember that you are going to psychologically feel like you should be panicking because you see many other people panicking. It's just herd mentality and pretty much instinctual. Don't give in to it and just be prudent and everything will be fine. It's majorly overblown and the more we relax and are seen relaxing, the herd mentality will help folks calm down a bit.

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Indefatigable_Winner 5 points ago

I keep seeing this and wondering where in the world have the staggering number of cases occurred thus far? Where???

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kono_hito_wa 47 points ago

1,700 Americans were killed in the womb today. Same will happen tomorrow. And the next.

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AngelMark 14 points ago

No one cares about the babies unless they can eat them, have sex w them or sell their body parts

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emjayt 5 points ago

Truth.

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Taqiyya_Mockingbird 39 points ago

This is their next fallback hustle. It’s crystal clear.

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K-Harbour 13 points ago

Plus, they get your DNA.

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kag-2020- 6 points ago

It was either this, muh Russia 4.0, mean gate 37 or he made his 485th typo. It's not like they'd just roll over and let us take our country back.

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NeoPepe 36 points ago

Corona is the new Y2K. Unless you are over 60 with serious pre-existing conditions you will survive if you get it. Only people with symptoms should be tested as test kits are in short supply. Travel ban saved USA and Japan from an Italy-like disaster. Stupid Germany, Italy, and France still have open borders. They don't seem to care.

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AngelMark 11 points ago

You can have my test kit! I won't be getting tested for this upper respitory illness. I don't even go to doc when I do get sick. I stay home and ride it out!

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K-Harbour 9 points ago

How are we going to collect your DNA if you refused to be tested?

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NPC01001101010000010 5 points ago

I'll add that only people with symptoms in high risk groups should get tested. Otherwise, just stay home, drink fluids and you'll be fine.

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toecutter 2 points ago

It's not just about whether or not you survive the infection. This thing has been said to cause permanent damage to lung tissue (like SARS). I've also heard that is can damage reproductive systems in men and women. As a guy trying to start a family, I'm not taking any chances and I'll be keeping my balls and my wife's ovaries away from the masses for a bit.

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HilarityComplex 29 points ago

Exact same thoughts here. There are small business and livelihood losses that will never be recovered.

And now they're talking about limiting travel between states?

This is a sham to push an agenda and a narrative.

What a load of hogwash.

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K-Harbour 11 points ago

This is stupid to be closing entire cities. This must be a dry run for something.

PS — why hasn’t the entire state of Washington not already been swamped with cases?

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AslanFan 6 points ago

This is now the second time I've heard someone mention inter-state travel. Where did you get this idea? Source?

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mrspaulrevere 8 points ago

The President said yesterday they are looking at banning interstate travel to/from some areas, haven't decided. He previously said something about hotspots or the most impacted areas, I'm reading this as Washington state and California, New York possibly.

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AslanFan 4 points ago

Thanks to all of the idiots downvoting my legitimate question.

I have not heard his whole presser yet. Will listen in full. Thanks for letting me know the source.

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InTheArmsOfThePepe 24 points ago (edited)

Globalists gonna global. A public health scare may have been one of the only "tools" they had left.

Either that, or these regular coordinated efforts are the globalists equivalent to an Emergency Broadcast System test. Like, "Oop! Time to test our social reach! Let's gin up a public crisis to see how effectively we can influence social order! Places everyone, we're going live in three, two, one..."

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AngelMark 9 points ago

Yes all theatre just like Mueller report and impeachment!

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K-Harbour 7 points ago

Way too many folks in DC with time to manufacture things to do...

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Sum_devil 3 points ago

Exactly. The internet is taken over with nothing but this. It's all anyone is talking about. Like a magician that has their audience fully reset and caught up watching the misdirection.

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Isolated_Patriot 3 points ago

The toilet paper panic was shock testing. Change my mind.

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Incognito 21 points ago (edited)

Every country is shutting down. Not only the US. The problem, as experienced in Italy, is that there aren't enough intensive care beds and ventilators to keep every patient alive. This is a curable disease, WHEN you have enough resources. Imagine a hospital can take care of ten people per day and get them back to good health. Now imagine that same hospital has to deal with 100 patients per day. In Italy they literally decide not to ventilate (AND SAVE!) people over 60 who are in bad shape because there's not enough ventilators. This is in Lombardia, one of the richest and most prosperous areas of Italy and Europe, not exactly a shithole.

Perhaps a more sensible approach would be to quarantine the elderly and let everyone else gain group immunity by eventually contracting the disease. At least they wouldn't completely fuck up the global economy.

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Luftpirate 1 point ago

TIL 80% of the_donald are conspiratards incapable of reading world news.

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Luftpirate 1 point ago

"Liberal Media" is US media believe it or not other sources exist outside the US

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CleanAnus 17 points ago

I think that from now on, for every flu season, the world economy needs to come to a screeching halt.

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K-Harbour 3 points ago

Yes, how about a two month long sabbath, every Christmas?

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago

How about we all just never ever leave the house again and just watch TV

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counselor4MAGA 13 points ago

265,000 people were hospitalized and 12,000 died from H1N1 and all Obama told us was wash our hands. I was a freshman in college during that pandemic and I literally remember nothing about it, other than the hand washing signs placed in all the bathrooms. The media is actively trying to destroy the economy with panic.

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Luftpirate 2 points ago

YEAH thats why the media was completely silent on this FOR TWO FUCKING MONTHS before it got to the US.

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upthemiddle1 12 points ago

Personally I am not concerned about the virus but if the stock market doesn't calm down I am going to die of a heart attach.

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Don-O-Mite 3 points ago

Just keep an eye out for dips and buy. Itll settle down again as it always does.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago

You and many others. Hang tight,

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NocturnalPatrol 12 points ago

It's an election year. This is not a coincidence.

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K-Harbour 3 points ago

They should just name these viruses by the election year they come in.

This one, however, may end up being called the Bloomberg virus? From his meeting in October?

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Gmoney 3 points ago

Can you elaborate?

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msean3231 12 points ago

59 people died in the Las Vegas shooting but somehow that story disappeared without nationwide panic and without ever getting any answers

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OhLollyLollyPop 1 point ago

The FBI probably doesn't have any answers. The guy is an enigma, and didn't leave a note.

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StoicViking 10 points ago

In my state, only 7 confirmed cases. Yet there have been nearly 4 times that many deaths from Influenza this year, without causing panic, shutdowns, hoarding etc...

I guess the moral of the story is make sure your illness has a scary name so people will panic more.

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K-Harbour 3 points ago

A health care panic like this takes a lot of planning and coordination.

Gates, Bloomberg, Johns Hopkins — October 2019.

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LS_DJ 1 point ago

Yeah sort of the devil you know situation. It is a new virus so people are losing their minds, while flu has killed more but we know what that is and it’s not scary and the media isn’t pushing it down our throats

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AlohaChris 10 points ago

It is and it’s backfiring bigly.

Corona Virus has highlighted the insanity of moving our manufacturing base to China and India, particularly medical supplies and drugs. It’s also demonstrates the need for strong border protection. Corona Virus is going to destroy globalism as we know it. It’s glorious.

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quaz 2 points ago

This is the most under rated comment right now. The world just changed forever, but in a way that will utterly destroy China as they know it. Companies will never single source their supply chain again. Travel from countries with outbreaks will be shut down faster than before. Our healthcare system and readiness will be reevaluated to be able to respond to this much better. Companies will be prepared for employees working from home much easier. Airlines will better prepare themselves. There will be an economic boom of unseen proportions after this while the entire world changes.

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45isthebomb 9 points ago

I keep saying that this over-reaction is not good for the USA. Are we going to do this for every flu outbreak now? Every fucking year shut down large industries?

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OhLollyLollyPop 3 points ago

Nope. This will never happen again after 2024

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Womp_womp 8 points ago

If it turns out to be a nothingburger...ALL THE BETTER...when Trump calls the media response a "hoax" at that time, the red pills being forced down the mouth of moderates about the media will be too big to ignore

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K-Harbour 2 points ago

Their hope is that the false positives from the test kits will “prove” this was not a nothingburger —— even if it really was a nothingburger.

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mykillk 8 points ago

The panic inducement seems to be coordinated. It's way over the top. Merkel saying that 70% of Germany will be infected? Absolutely absurd level of fear mongering. China has topped out at 80k infected. They have a population of 1.5 billion. That's not even a tiny portion of 1% infection rate. Once the weather started regularly getting into the high 60s in the Wuhan area, the spread of the virus completely stopped. I expect the same elsewhere, and within a month or so this virus will be in the rear-view mirror.

Sure seems like there are groups out there trying to intentionally wreck the global economy because they know a strong economy and stock market is Trump's best leg to stand on going into the election....

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LiberTerrarium 2 points ago

The lynchpin in your argument relies on China being truthful in their reporting. Not sure that's the data we want to base our opinion of over or under reaction.

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mykillk 4 points ago (edited)

No other country has even come close to surpassing even 1% infected yet. Italy is the worst and it's still a small fraction of 1% at this point. About 15,000 or so I think total. They have a population of 60 million! That is 0.025%.

Going from far less of 1% infection rate to saying 70% is just absurd. I expect to see a slowing of the momentum in Italy's infection rate any day now because the weather is warming. When the sun comes out, the stronger UV light kills viruses on surfaces much faster.

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TPMJB 73 points ago (edited)

this disease is roughly 10 times more communicable and 3 times more deadly. Unchecked it could kill 100k to a million in the US.

I am a scientist that works in vaccine development. Everything you've said is wrong and there's no data to support it. It is less contagious than the flu (even according to the WHO) and the amount of death's is hilariously low.

The "MUH HIV MOLECULE" bullshit has been proven false. The original claim comes from some paper that says "oh yeah, HIV has a similar mechanism for infecting cells." You'd have to be absolutely fucking retarded to make that leap, but there you have it. A paper was even released saying "no, it's not a BIOWEAPON and this is why, you absolute tarts"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7033698/

Did it come from Wuhan biolabs? Probably. Was it genetically engineered? No. These things have obvious markers if they're engineered.

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Mother_of_gains 24 points ago

I started looking at the crosstabs of people who actually show up to the hospital and get diagnosed with the flu next to actual confirmed flu deaths. When you compare those numbers (and not flu PROJECTIONS made from those numbers) to corona virus confirmed positives and outcomes bybage group, corona looks very similar to the flu.

Only real pain in the ass is that this is additive to the flu. So we need to build capacity before next flu season.

But estimates of 100K to 1 million deaths in the US are wildly irresponsible

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TPMJB 18 points ago

I remember reading an article yesterday where the title was something like "35 year old VICTIM of the Coronavirus.... who also had Dengue fever. BUT SERIOUSLY CORONA GUYZ!!"

But estimates of 100K to 1 million deaths in the US are wildly irresponsible

The panic going on in the US is un-fucking-believable. But at least it's not Iceland, who has effectively shutdown right now. The exchange rate of my currency to US dollars is absolute shit right now.

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Madnote1984 4 points ago

Ok. So, and I’m not being argumentative here...I just want to know how you feel...

How do you reconcile the fact that this is a nothingburger with the unprecedented actions the president has taken? Is he and the CDC just wrong? Did they cave to liberal media pressure? I’m sincerely trying to understand. Why didn’t the president just simply say it’s all a panic we aren’t concerned and just wait the media hype out?!?

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Block_Helen 11 points ago

He has to take these actions now to reassure the public and investors because the Chicken Littles have been tanking the economy, and blaming him.

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K-Harbour 9 points ago

For starters, The deaths in state of Washington should be subject to a criminal investigation. Amazing that there has been no spread for there, alone?

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DisgustedByMisleadia 1 point ago

Researchers have sequenced the genome of the virus that caused the outbreak in Washington, and compared it to the one in China.

They believe the virus arrived in Washington from China sometime in mid-January, and was spreading undetected since then. By the time deaths started, it was already widespread.

This is the site:

https://nextstrain.org/

And here's the article about it:

https://nextstrain.org/narratives/ncov/sit-rep/2020-03-05?n=10

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LessSwampMoreMAGA 3 points ago

What if the cdc is full of the swamp just like the fbi, cia, state dept, nsc, ...etc. When the media says “trust the experts” I inherently don’t now. This is moving along the same lines as other impeachment hoax’s or power grabs. I have family that is screaming Trump is a tyrant but at the same time they want to give him more power? I’m starting to see the headlines now “Medicare for all” “universal income” “Trumps managing the outbreak poorly”. And they wonder why people are skeptical of the outbreak information. I have heard for 3 1/2 years now how the left wants to kill the economy to keep Trump from getting elected.

I don’t think this is a “hoax” per say but the data I’m seeing reported is significantly manipulated and not as comparable as they are presenting it.

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Madnote1984 2 points ago

Ok well I appreciate the candid answer. So, in your opinion, if we took ZERO containment measures, and allowed this virus to freely proliferate like every other flu, it would be barely noticeable to most of society? No real increase in death? There wouldn’t be 2 million elderly and immunocompromised dead?

Sincere question.

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nunyadangbidness 7 points ago

That's basically what I hear the UK is doing. They're going to let it burn through the population and develop herd immunity. Good podcast with Stephen K Bannon here:

https://pandemic.warroom.org/

... continue reading thread?
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TPMJB 5 points ago

If we took zero action and the rest of the world took zero action, we would probably would not even notice.

No, there would not be a significant amount of elderly dead over any other seasonal disease. Problem is that they are selectively testing people. I know that two people at work probably have it, and the doctors in this shit medical system refuse to test them. They diagnosed them over the phone, even. "Oh if you haven't traveled you don't have it. Self quarantine lol"

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_TheConsumer_ 1 point ago

I feel the same way as OP. I don’t think it’s a “nothing burger.” Obviously, there is an illness floating around.

What I feel is reckless is the MSM reporting about it. Watch any news station and you’ll see what I mean. A “number infected” ticker. A death toll count. A breaking news alert when another person dies.

All of this creates a panic.

The MSM is not reporting the truth about the numbers. People aged 10-39 have a .2% chance of death, very similar to the flu. That number ticks up for people in their 40s and 50s to a whopping .3%. People in their 60s - 80s see numbers their combined rate go to 7%, with 80+ greatly accounting for that.

There are at risk groups, just like there are for seasonal flu. Those people should definitely be shielded. But realistically speaking, the virus isn’t going to leave the world with untold dead and no one left to bury them.

H1N1 infected 1 in 5 people. There was no panic because the media had an agenda. This panic is being propagated by the MSM because of its own agenda.

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Bitemespez 12 points ago

Do you have a public source that you like to point too? So I can share to a few hysterias I know

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TPMJB 10 points ago

Yeah I edited my post with the link. On my phone so couldn't find it right away

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago

Do you have a WHO link showing that covid 19 is less contagious than the common flu?

I see the HIV link you updated.

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TPMJB 3 points ago

I think it was the WHO health director's speech where he directly said that. I'm at work right now. Long story, but thanks Corona for causing everyone to stay home

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0095D 6 points ago

Since you appear to know what you're talking about, quick questions: Wouldn't it be sort of a good thing if a whole lot of younger people got this as quick as possible? Without any serious symptoms, of course.

Wouldn't that build "herd immunity" faster? You can't be a host and contagious again once you catch this particular virus and get over it, right? Older folks, who are understandably being more cautious right now, then wouldn't be around as many potential carriers.

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TPMJB 6 points ago

Wouldn't it be sort of a good thing if a whole lot of younger people got this as quick as possible? Without any serious symptoms, of course.

Doesn't really matter if they did or didn't. It's fairly benign.

Wouldn't that build "herd immunity" faster? You can't be a host and contagious again once you catch this particular virus and get over it

Unfortunately, just like the flu, immunity to the disease only lasts a few months tops. That's why the flu vaccine is laughably ineffective. In the rare instance that they do get the flu virus right that year, if you got the vaccine at the beginning of the season, you'd be susceptible by the end of the season. That's why, at most, they boast a 60% efficacy. I believe one year it was only 19%. The US government pours literally billions into the companies that make that vaccine.

The worst thing that can be done is panic. Just ignore it and go about your day. Drink plenty of water.

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0095D 3 points ago

Thanks for the info. I knew it was rather benign, just curious if an effective "herd immunity" could be forced into the population for this particular virus.

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TPMJB 5 points ago

The only things I've learned from this are that mass hysteria is very easy to produce, and that people don't usually buy toilet paper in bulk. I mean I have at least 20 rolls left from the pack I bought at Costco in May. Do you people not have linen closets?

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_-Th0r-_ 5 points ago

I think, beyond adding media’s interest in the clickbait hysteria, segments of the medical bureaucratic bloating that began with Obamacare is using this as some sort of industrial savior complex writ large.

After all, when Obamacare saves the world, think of what we could do with yuniversal healthcare/Medicare for all.

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Mother_of_gains 12 points ago

Hey dude. Fun fact. 250 people die every day in Italy from the flu during peak season.

Every. Single. Day.

And a lot of these deaths are because the system is overloaded with basically two versions of the flu. Not that corona is necessarily orders or magnitude more deadly than influenza

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Staatssicherheit 0 points ago

Do you have a Italy dataset for daily deaths from the flu?

What is freaking out a lot of us is that we do have the daily dataset for the coronavirus. And the death rate was turning exponential. 5 - > 8 - > 27 -> 49 -> 97 -> 168 -> 250. Was there a similar exponential rate of death by the flu in your dataset?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

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Skolis-Ur 2 points ago

They won't have one. People are obsessed with making this political. They want this to be manufactured to hurt Trump. But I trust GEOTUS, and if he is taking this seriously, you better believe I am.

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Skolis-Ur 0 points ago

What? That is legitimately bullshit. About 8000 people die in Italy every year from the Flu. That's about 21-22 people a day. This is 10 times worse than that. Stop spreading lies.

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TPMJB 8 points ago

Alright, I'm sick of typing on my phone when you aspies are going to write books.

OMG ITALY! CHINA!

Oh look! Italy definitely has enough testing kits to test everyone! That accurately encompasses ALL corona infected and not just the sickest of the sick!

European countries (my current residence included) will only test you if you have been traveling recently or you're on your death bed. The excuse is that there's not enough test kits, which is probably bullshit. People at my work have 100% the symptoms but without even seeing them, the doctors will not test here. Coworkers called in and basically read off the symptoms, and the doctors said "oh well you haven't been traveling recently so you're not at high risk. Self quarantine lol". Now they get two weeks of vacation for the fucking sniffles.

It's still terrifying

Are you over the age of 65 and have trouble getting clean food and water? No? The publicly released statistics say you have less than a percent chance of death. And that's even with all the people they refuse to test

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K-Harbour 8 points ago

With that 14 day exposure period, the cluster in the state of washington has already had two or three generations of time to spread. The state of Washington should be awash in severe cases of the illness by now.

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TPMJB 3 points ago

That's the thing - if it were as bad as they claim, the shithole of Seattle being awash with cases can only benefit us.

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Watermelons 1 point ago

Is there any data on the estimated sensitivity and specificity of these tests?

The protocol (in the US) the other day was similar to what you described. I think hospitals won't test unless you're negative on the annual flu swab in addition to the above.

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K-Harbour 7 points ago

Explain why state of Washington, the virus is magically self contained?

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago

Yes. Why has it not spread to Montana at a rapid clip?

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Block_Helen 5 points ago

The death rate isn't 3-6%.

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Sumarongi 4 points ago

China and Italy stats are not trustworthy

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fubolibs 1 point ago

Wrong. South Korean data that tested 140k found death rate is 0.64% and they didn’t test everyone.

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brsmith77 13 points ago

Pharma execs said 30-50% of cities worldwide will be infected.

Lol what a reliable source. Gee I wonder if they could have a motive for scaremongering....

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K-Harbour 10 points ago

Why hasn’t everyone already died in the state of Washington? How did the virus so effective contain itself there?

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TPMJB 10 points ago

MUH R0!!!

What part of "we don't test everyone and the data is grossly insufficient" don't you understand? Half of you prepped retards don't even know what you're talking about, you just regurgitate whatever bullshit you saw in a coronavirus thread on /pol/

B-B-B-BUT PHARMA EXECS!"

Imagine an industry that gets a huge surplus of funds whenever a panic occurred, saying that there's another bad disease!

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K-Harbour 7 points ago

Gates, Bloomberg, Johns Hopkins —- October 2019.

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Block_Helen 4 points ago

Hey, I've been prepped for years and I'm not panicking. I'm just worried about the economy.

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Bramble 5 points ago

You know what's crazy? About 100% of cities get infected with the common cold every year.

What virus is the common cold? A different coronavirus.

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Staatssicherheit 4 points ago

The art of persuasion. Your R0 values was a good argument. However, the belittling attack on "you being an indian doctor clearing SAEs" harms it greatly. The appeal to authority (pharma execs) only works in situations where the audience respects that particular authority.

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Mother_of_gains 29 points ago

South Korea has 75 deaths, and new cases appear to be on the decline.

China also appears to have stabilized with 10-25 new deaths per day.

In Italy, where shit is completely hitting the fan and mass hysteria reigns, the highest daily death toll that they've had is on par with the average daily number of deaths attributable to standard influenza (roughly 250)

Strip out Washington state from our numbers and we're at 20 dead out of 2,500 positive tests.

People will die from this. But 100,000? 1,000,000? In just the U.S.? The data doesn't support that.

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Vests123 6 points ago

I agree with you.

There is much fear mongering going on, but maybe to keep people quarantined to prevent the spread?

As I wrote further up, the cases in South Korea that they thought were CoronaVirus, ended up being 96% false positive and were a different type of virus causing similar symptoms...this is from the CDC doctor at the press conference yesterday.

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AngelMark 5 points ago

Fear mongering from world wide Pedos and their treasonous MSM partners!

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K-Harbour 6 points ago

For Italy, don’t forget that we don’t know what EU handout programs kick in and what Italy’s reporting does for them.

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago

Stop being logical. You will hurt toilet paper sales.

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IAbsolutelyDare 1 point ago

Adjusting for population: If we had China's rates we'd lose about 1,000 people by the time this is over; if we have South Korea's rates we'd lose about 500.

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xx0725 22 points ago

this disease is roughly 10 times more communicable and 3 times more deadly.

Hogwash. Just fucking hogwash. There would be millions and millions dead already in Asia if this were true.

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TPMJB 17 points ago

Because China sees its people like cattle, and it's easier to just kill people than provide them the basic necessities of life, like clean food and water.

Good to know this place has already been inundated with concern trolls.

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DinosaurAlert 0 points ago

Good to know this place has already been inundated with concern trolls.

Just because someone is worried doesn't make them a "concern troll".

A concern troll says "Trump is great, but his failure at providing testing kits could kill us all."

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TPMJB 5 points ago

Just because someone is worried doesn't make them a "concern troll".

A concern troll says "Trump is great, but his failure at providing testing kits could kill us all."

Yes, that is exactly what a concern troll is. You drum up concern without fact to back it. You see what is obviously intentionally skewed data with about a thousand different confounding variables and take the opinion of the analyzer as fact. This is what we criticize the left for doing, but because you don't think critically about what you read, you do the exact same thing.

So should I have called you a "nervous twat" instead?

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ObongoForPrison2020 3 points ago

There’s other ways to “concern troll,” and being nonobjective is one.

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Mother_of_gains 9 points ago

Obviously you've never looked at death rates for ebola, mers and the 2003 strain of sars.

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K-Harbour 5 points ago

Playing with numbers and trusting the info out there is useless.

We should be having real data on the ground by now, especially there should have been a massive spread from the cluster in the state of Washington.

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Belleoffreedom 8 points ago

No, it's not the worst of the worst. It is just novel, and we need to buy time.

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USA_is_best 6 points ago

Stop minimizing this pathogen. It is the worst of the worst.

Not to be rude, but you are part of the problem.

You have no idea what a "worst of the worst" pathogen is and pray you never do. A "worst of the worst" pathogen would entail complete inability of the human immune system being able to combat a new pathogen.

80%+ of people who get COVID-19 will either 1) Recover without even knowing they had the virus, or 2) Only experience mild/moderate symptoms comparable to a common cold.

And you keep bringing up R0 values, but your not considering everything about the virus within context. Its not R0 value high = auto death mode. There have been other pathogens throughout human history with similar or higher R0 values that didn't wipe out human existence. Simply citing the level of contagiousness is not enough. For example, a bad flu strain has an R0 value of 3+ and accounts for as high as 15% of all flu-related deaths in the 65 yrs of age+ older population. And the CDC currently believes its actually much higher than that percentage.

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AngelMark 5 points ago

China is a filthy communist country that was stealing our secrets with the help of Hillary and the anti christ Obama!

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Staatssicherheit -3 points ago

We have the actual death rates per infected. It is quite deadly. Not as deadly as MERS or SARS and definitely not a death sentence like ebola ... but it is quite a bit more deadly than the common flu. 0.01% for the flu vs 3% observed for covid 19 (probably will end up closer 0.1 to 1% after the number of mild positive cases go up).

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago

But we truly don’t know this, as we do not have an accurate number of those infected. Many have the virus, aren’t tested, and just have mild symptoms (like a cold). So we really aren’t sure how deadly it is by percentage of COVID-19 cases vs deaths.

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago (edited)

That's right. We don't know the number of mild cases. I'm assuming there are 10 mild cases for every diagnosed case. That's why I think the actual rate of death is closer to <1% rather than the published 3%. If there are 100-1000 undiagnosed mild cases for every diagnosed case, then it would be equally as deadly as the flu.

edit: We do have the data set from a closed system, the Diamond Princess. Currently 7 deaths out of 696 with 233 still active cases. So the low range of the death rate is around 1%. If more of the 233 active cases die, the death rate will go up. As it's been a couple of weeks since infection, I'm suspecting all of the 233 active cases will survive.

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HockeyMom4Trump 1 point ago

However, that cruise ship is a very different environment. It is close quarters and contained. So I predict the death rate will be much lower as a percentage.

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago

I agree. It should be much lower than 1%. Hopefully by an order of magnitude. But I don't conceive it being two orders of magnitude lower.

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AngelMark 10 points ago

I trust healthcare even less! I stay as far away from docs n hospitals as possible. I have 3 family members who died from doctors WRONG diagnoses!

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K-Harbour 6 points ago

Politicized doctors and healthcare is the most dangerous threat to a free country that there is. This weaponing of healthcare movement started in earnest back in the 1890’s.

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ImWhiteAndThatsOK 2 points ago

Do you have some sources for reading? I've read recently about the strongarming by the AMA to close down medical schools and drastically cut admissions. What was going on in the 1890s?

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago

Doctors kill numerous patients every year. Probably way more than this virus will.

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HilarityComplex 5 points ago

HIV molecule

This is odd terminology for someone who works in healthcare.

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Bramble 2 points ago

What utter crap. There are two doctors (MD) in my immediate family and neither understands what the hell the problem really is unless someone isn't telling us something.

What are the odds basketball players, several world leaders, actors, actresses all have it, and the rest of us don't? It will disappear in a month or two because most people will catch it and not even know.

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strawberryismyjam 1 point ago

Well that's terrifying.

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kono_hito_wa 10 points ago

Most fictional horror is terrifying it. That doesn't make it true.

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maxkenn 6 points ago

And unlikely. The hiv thing was ridiculous. Everyone has looked at the bug by now and are developing drugs for.

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K-Harbour 2 points ago

Good thing Gates and Bloomberg had been working on it for quite a while, already.

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Famousinternetgirls 1 point ago

What is your job and what was all discussed in this meeting. Just that 100k people could die?

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AngelMark 2 points ago

Industry leaders are SWAMP by the way!

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K-Harbour 2 points ago

Wrong. There is a reason to have strict restriction on who gets tested for what purpose. Any test has false positives, especially if indiscriminately applied to the population in general. Testing everyone is a guarantee to create a panic, as the false positives alone will swamp the real numbers. Easily get 3 million false positive cases if everyone is tested.

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Block_Helen 2 points ago

If there are tens of thousands walking around then it's too late to test because soon everyone will be exposed.

The reason governments have to take it seriously is because of the PANIC that is tanking economies. Unfortunately the Chicken Littles are ruling the roost.

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ObongoForPrison2020 4 points ago

Giving you an upvote because I, too, have been attacked mercilessly for preaching calm rationality.

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ValhallaGorilla 8 points ago

its not about deaths right now, its about containing it. gotta ban all travel to let businesses stay open while this fizzles out in 3 months

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K-Harbour 5 points ago

Yeah, now we have kids running around everywhere instead of at school.

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Rodger 7 points ago (edited)

Just Breathe... You are hyperventilating and that won't change anything. Just take care of yourself. Wash your hands really good. Take all necessary precautions. Be mindful of where you go and what you do. It's going to be okay. The media is doing all they can to exasperate this situation as it's part of their Anti-Trump agenda. You can't live in a plastic bubble so go on with your life. Have faith, believe and pray. God Bless You.

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Pats5x 7 points ago

100%...tucker showed media reports during h1n1 and the Kenyan and compared w media reporting w Drumpf and the wuhan flu...media reports were that the Kenyan was "striking a blow" at h1n1 and taking "aggressive" steps to protect Americans.... On the Dow, if we just even stay around where we are now and NOT crash to below when Trump got elected I think we'll be ok IF Trump wins....if that fuck Biden wins we'll see our taxes for right the fuck up

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sharkman100 7 points ago

President doesn’t control the country. The senate nor congress doesn’t control the country. The media controls the country

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angryamerican1964 7 points ago

The MSM is feeding the panic and the MSM loves it

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K-Harbour 2 points ago

The MSM companies should be sent the bill.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago

Yes. All those journalists on the frontlines exposing themselves to the deadly virus by reporting from Costco

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joebud 7 points ago

This issue is more about how it could get out of control, not what it is now.

Also worth noting that things like this are good in a way because they will knock some sense into people about how reliant we are on China, 90% of our antibiotics come from one of our most potent enemies in the world. That is crazy.

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dark_webdev 1 point ago

well said!

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Barbs 7 points ago

Newt Gingrich lives in Italy and says this is very real, and that we have to act “fast and big.” Is he part of the grift now too? The President also appears to be preparing for something huge, probably based on Newt’s advice. Fuck, now he’s also a grifter. Everybody’s in on the hoax!

This is something we need to get AHEAD OF or IT WILL KICK OUR ASS. Yeah, it’ll look totally fucking pointless and like an overreaction, but as this plays out (which I truly hope it doesn’t), you’ll see how fucking smart that forethought was.

You all keep second-guessing GEOTUS. STOP IT!

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago

Do you have room for me in your bomb shelter?

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2016_and_beyond 6 points ago

What we are witnessing is a trial panic. How will Americans will react in a real crises? Not good.

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IsrorOrca 6 points ago

Of the 59 like 26 of them were in the same nursing home. This is the media trying to destroy the economy. It’s the next play because Biden is in full blown dementia. They don’t have much time to ruin 2020. It’s not that COVID-19 isn’t real, it’s just if the public never knew what it was because of the media, we’d just be getting lectures about getting our flu shots.

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Modifieddevice 6 points ago

The virus and its effects are real however the wave of fear shutdowns and checkpoints I believe are an attack by the Democrat party they may be moving for a soft version of Martial law which is kind of what is actually happening soft martial law

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Loscann 6 points ago

Never underestimate the ignorance of a populace who would vote for biden or sanders and thinks socialism is a winning stratregy

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Bestboy143 6 points ago

My town was packed yesterday for this time of year. It was a ghost town 3 weeks ago. People are retarded. Grocery stores are full every day. Everyone's packing into stores to ummm... avoid others? Shit is ridiculous and backwards.

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K-Harbour 5 points ago

A million kids at the breakfast restaurant yesterday — they have no where to go but malls and restaurants, instead of being kept out of the general public by going to school.

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago

Well, yesterday was Saturday

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HockeyMom4Trump 3 points ago

Exactly what I was thinking. The stores look worse than Black Friday. Way to stay home and avoid people.

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mrspaulrevere 2 points ago

Do you want to be confined to your home with no food? It's not illogical to prepare. I do agree that packing into stores will likely spread the virus. More people should get into home delivery or curbside pickup.

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AbrahamLincoln 6 points ago

Half of them aren't even buying food, they're buying a decade's worth of toilet paper and 900 gallons of bleach.

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago

Heck, home delivery could bring the virus in your home.

I’m going to hunker down and eat through everything I have...all those cans of soup I buy and never eat. Lol

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Bernier4Canada 4 points ago

Do you want to be confined to your home with no food?

Until two days from now when the stores restock? Sure.

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Bestboy143 3 points ago

Lol no I'm not saying that. I live in a small seasonal town and it is like 4th of July out there this last week. I'm saying people are retarded. By trying to prepare and distance themselves, they are crowding together.

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SomeGuyOnTheInternet 6 points ago

The economy was the best it's ever been

Just wait until all this cools off and the markets bounce back peak summer just before the election. This will all back fire and Trump will be the hero.

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Thracka951 6 points ago

I’m with you guys a lot of the time, but if you don’t keep a bit of food and medicine on hand at all times you’re just begging for trouble. I keep 2-3 months worth of food and supplies in my pantry at all times and it’s been great several times after big storms. It also lets me buy food when it is on sale. Because I only stock things I use and rotate through it, it actually saves a ton of money.

Thankfully I am constantly remodeling my house so I already had a big pile of N95 masks and gloves.

I did spend a bit beefing up my supplies in anticipation of people panicking, and dropped off the excess and stuff I opted to cycle out at the local community food pantry.

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findthewarmspot 6 points ago

I just feel like I’m missing something. It doesn’t make logical sense. The regular flu has already killed more people this year.

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OhLollyLollyPop 1 point ago

Staying home, especially for the kids, will help shut that down too. Lots of kids get really sick and die from the flu.

I am staying home because I am in the risk group in several ways. We are stocked up and I don't need to go anywhere.

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keep_on_winning 5 points ago

FYI, people who recover from virus can have reduced lung capacity as it can permanently damage lungs. Just because it doesn't kill you doesn't mean it won't fuck up your life.

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AngelMark 1 point ago

Just like any other illness can fuck up your life! My mother had a stroke and heart attack from smoking! She is fucked up beyond belief but soldiers on everyday!

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Pravda 1 point ago

Your answer to this is your mom was fucked up by a stroke so you shouldn’t worry over damage from a virus?

The answer is actively avoid getting a stroke with lifestyle changes. Same with Coronavirus.

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HockeyMom4Trump 2 points ago

God bless her.

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Anyslogan2 5 points ago

Over 95% of people will fully recover from Wuflu even if they get it which is unlikely. The economic ‘pandemic’ is going to be far worst. This will affect more people and last far longer.

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Supersaiyanbroly737 5 points ago

SOCIAL DISTANCING!

Just stay at home, if possible, to flatten the curve. The economy will recover quickly.

But if this becomes Italy or Iran, then the economic hit will be much worse. Better to overreact to it without panicking.

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Logan051361 5 points ago

yep, 59. Thats a summer weekend in Detroit and Chicago.

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CharethCutestory 5 points ago

More people died in Vegas Shooting, and not a peep on that.

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crazycrazybernie 3 points ago

Except for the gun control college kids that were mad that the terrorist had an AR-15 with him

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Cliffinati 3 points ago

well that was almost certainly a deep state op

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freundwich 5 points ago

Yes, the media is trying their hardest to make Trump look bad on this. But his leadership, common sense approach, and transparency has cemented my support and my vote for him.

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datascience 5 points ago

If only Americans cared about the opoid crisis as much as this. Over 70K deaths last year from accidental overdoses.

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Everlong12 3 points ago

Yeah, I can definitely agree with this

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BestTimeToBAlive 5 points ago

Yes, this! I’m not saying it’s not an actual thing. I’m saying there is absolutely NO reason to close our businesses over this. We could’ve still ramped up production of the tests, with drive-by capabilities, WITHOUT sending Wall St into a tailspin. The only businesses that might’ve been hurt were the ones who make everything in Chyna & couldn’t meet production.

But that wouldn’t do anything “good” for the loser Dems, now would it? Since Hollywood, the media & academia are ruled by the leftists, it’s no surprise this is allowed to happen.

But mark my words, WE WILL BOUNCE BACK FASTER THAN EXPECTED! Wait & see. Buy up some stocks now bc this is a false recession, not caused by housing or school loan crisis. Caused by panic. Once the days start warming up & the spread slows, ppl will get bored and go back to their lives. And we will rise!!

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Espot 5 points ago

Media. Induced. Hysteria.

Plain and simple

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cajun_robear 5 points ago

It's an amazing phenomenon to watch. It shows all of us that the term "sheeple" is very real despite all the current avenues of knowledge and information.

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K-Harbour 3 points ago

That is the real fear. They now know what it takes to get us to agree to disrupt our society.

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freespeech4all 5 points ago

Compared to Europe we’re doing much better

The media IS making is worse.

Our numbers are shooting up cause of testing now. But the deaths gotta stay low, and hopefully our recovered surpasses the deaths.

The next couple weeks will be rougher in terms of cases rising. FEAR NOT! Just take precautions and practice good hygiene.

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6-_-j 5 points ago

Buy some stocks boys because that market will shoot back up, we got a good captain steering this boat. Trust POTUS.

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Kirikann 5 points ago

What Trump is doing is exactly what we should be doing. Right now we're not so bad off as other places because we cut off travel with places that got really bad relatively early, and a lot of our cases (though not all) are isolated and haven't led to community spread.

We just have to be aware of exponential curves. This thing appears to double every 2 days. Places where it's lost containment will get very bad very fast unless decisive action is taken and Trump is doing what he can to make sure it does.

As of yesterday 47% of "closed" cases in Italy (cases that have either ended in patient recovery or death) have ended in death. This is largely due to the age of the Italian population and triage in northern Italy, but we need to be cautious and vigilant to make sure we never get to that point here. Things in the rest of Europe are starting to look like they're following Italy's path and will be overwhelmed within a matter of weeks. I believe what Trump is doing is the right thing to do.

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IronicUsername 5 points ago

I know people here do not want to hear this, but that’s not how any of this works, as someone who works in the field.

Some basic facts:

COVID-19 appears to take approximately 2-3 weeks to develop severe symptoms and either kill or resolve. Let us call this 2.5 weeks or 18 days.

Not all infections are detected, and not all detections are hospitalized. What these people do in the interim tells you about the rate of spread.

Epidemics progress exponentially. 3 weeks ago Italy had barely any cases and few deaths.

The 59 deaths we have, if the OP is correct here, are 59 deaths due to infections from 2-3 weeks ago. If we have been having silent community spread, 2-3 weeks from now our death count will be in the high hundreds to over 1,000. If we do not take measures to socially distance and quarantine, that will continue to accelerate.

Don’t believe me? Remember this comment and check back in 2-3 weeks.

Trump needs to react aggressively here. He has begun to kick into gear but he can do more. The media is uselessly fear mongering and the government is waiting too long. The best response so far is probably DeWine in Ohio. Trump needs to show us what A+ leadership looks like here.

This is going to suck a lot more than people think. We would be better off if everyone knew that and was ready to do their part to slow the spread and not hoarding dumb shit like TP because the national guard was deployed and ready for emergency relief efforts etc.

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3sigma_gal_for_Trump 2 points ago

A huge problem is that the MSM has lost all credibility. They have been crying wolf for so long that now, when the wolf is here, nobody believes them. It doesn't help that instead of focusing on the problem and reporting news, they are still just trying to get Trump at every step.

I follow a lot of contrarians who have no faith in the media. Those who understand risk and can do their own math are all treating this extremely seriously. The folks who rely on their "feelings" or "instincts" are often the ones who are skeptical. Can't blame them, but it's tragic.

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impetusin 5 points ago

59 deaths, probably millions already infected and going on with their lives. This is the biggest PR panic campaign I think in history.

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Staatssicherheit 3 points ago

There is likely a lot more than the 3,273 active cases we know of now. Maybe even by a factor of 10. 30,000. It's unlikely to be in the millions. But you are right in that no one knows for sure.

What we do have is a closed system case in the form of the Diamond Princess. 3,700 passengers. 696 confirmed cases. 7 deaths. These are the numbers with quarantines and the best of medical care with an older population. 18% of total population infected. 1% of the infected died. General US population with younger, non-cruiseship patients will probably bring that number down a magnitude, maybe 0.1%. If there is too much of a strain on the health system (not enough ventilators), then that number will go up.

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impetusin 2 points ago

Fair points. All of this crisis acting is definitely going to put a strain on the health system system though, so your last point is highly likely.

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Brookes 5 points ago

It’s utter insanity. Went to see friends last night for dinner. The roads were empty on a Saturday night! We didn’t kiss or hug them hello or goodbye like we normally would....well I did kiss and hug their extremely adorable dog but not them.

All the restaurants we drove past were deserted. I feel bad for all the small business being hurt from this bullshit panic.

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OhLollyLollyPop 3 points ago

Restaurants seem to be busy here. Grocery stores are slammed. But people are out and about.

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Tomtoonami93 5 points ago

Manufactured panic. The disease is obviously not a hoax, but every propaganda outlet (yes, especially reddit) is blowing shit out of proportion.

H1N1 was so much more deadly, and no one gave a shit.

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Neot1tanium 1 point ago

Yes, but if COVID deathrate applied during H1N1, then over 1 million Americans would have been dead....

The media would have still downplayed it I'm sure, but this virus is much deadlier

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RoosterRaiser 4 points ago

The media is spreading complete lies. They could help, but chose to destroy.

That being said, what we all must realize is that the closures and social distancing is buying our medical system time to prepare and work on a cure/vaccine. This shit is real and it may not kill you immediately but a significant number will require hospitalization. We are NOT prepared for an influx of deathly ill citizens. No country is.

By quarantining we are slowing the spread and lowering the number sick at any one time. We are also pushing into warmer weather, which will slow the spread and kill the virus from many surfaces. In the last few days, more doctors are saying young people might be carriers with no systems. That is worrisome. Getting younger people to be cautious is much harder than older adults.

We should be celebrating the low number of deaths. That means we are doing something correctly. Don't use that as an excuse to downplay the risks.

President Trump knows more than any of us, if he thinks all of these precautions are necessary, that means this is worse than they are telling us.

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GEOTUSfan 4 points ago

Trump take this seriously, so it must be a real threat. but not end of world as media want us to believe

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Recon_jon 4 points ago

cdc estimations are there have been up to 55,000 deaths from the flu this season

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago

22,000-55,000 estimated flu deaths. I wonder if they are over-estimating the number of flu deaths. They would certainly have a motive. How many actual documented flu deaths were observed? I would like to see that number.

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YouKnowWhatItIs87 4 points ago

But let’s destroy the entire US Economy and cause people to lose their jobs at least for a few weeks to months over Fifty fucking Nine dead and roughly 1500 cases. This is out of control. Stay safe, be sensible, but this shit needs to be put into perspective.

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PartTimeHick 4 points ago

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

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DapperDan 4 points ago

Let it ride. Because come election time when the death totals are low and if it has spread to a lot of people and they have all recovered no issue then there won't be any way to look at it other than Trump masterfully handling it all.

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daty_dato 4 points ago

Do they know who got everyone sick at the nursing home?

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Wulfschilde 4 points ago

Once this blows over people need to hold their asses to the fire for having bought so much toilet paper, among other things.

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HockeyMom4Trump 4 points ago

I agree with you. Yesterday I read that car accidents kill around 40,000 in the USA per year. Where is the panic, fear and outrage over those deaths? Where is the hoarding and hysteria?

Why not cancel sporting events because you could be in a car accident on the way to an event? Cancel team travel, because there could be an accident on the way to a game? Mass fear over using cars?

Instead, we do our best to take precautions, drive defensively, pay attention to bad drivers and stay safe. We look at the risk, understand it, but don’t let it destroy our lives and the economy.

Fortunately, people have short attention spans. Not long ago, everyone I knew was a legal expert on Trump and his impeachment. Now they are all medical experts on infectious diseases. This will blow over down the road.

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Staatssicherheit 1 point ago

The magnitude is much greater but car accident deaths are steady (and decreasing), that's why there is less of an urgency.

The fear and difference for me was the rate of increase in Italy. 5.2 deaths/day in the first week when Italians started dying. 46.4/day in the second week. And 180.0/day in the third week. I started seeing similar pattern in the US a few days ago.

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HockeyMom4Trump 1 point ago

Yes, but then has there not been a slow down after the initial surge in deaths in many countries?

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Staatssicherheit 2 points ago

South Korea, Japan and supposedly China are off of the exponential curve.

Italy and Iran have been on the curve for weeks. Spain, Netherlands and the UK are definitely on the curve now with the deaths being reported today.

USA, Germany, Australia are still too early to tell one way or another.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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2honks 4 points ago

We can't stop a virus. It simply has to run its course until we can get a vaccine. We can't hide in our homes for years on end until we hunt down the infected. School closings are being done because academia is controlled by democrats. Since parents can't really afford day care, and they are crazy full right now, it forces parents to take time off work. Oh, well now a bunch of work places are freaking out and doing telework, etc. Eventually companies will give up on this nonsense and send their people back to work. I just think people are afraid of being sued for killing people or kids with this virus. I think that Trump is only playing along because they thought he would buck up to them to give them a huge soundbite for 2020. Instead Trump went all out and did the only thing that wouldn't really hurt americans much which was to ban foreigners from traveling here.

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OhLollyLollyPop 1 point ago

People from Europe will just fly to Canada, then fly down here.

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stealthboy 4 points ago

The media is complicit in this panic. It's beyond what is necessary for this. The risk is still relatively low, but everyone is being brainwashed to panic. They don't understand the risk or consequences of all of this.

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streakybacon 4 points ago

If the virus really did escape from the Wuhan lab then the panic is probably justified.

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Nimble_navigator92 [S] 2 points ago

But we don't know that it even did. What I've read so far is not it is not man made or altered

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streakybacon 1 point ago

I'm seeing evidence that leans both ways but so far it's still a theory.

There is a new study that shows it has a pathway to make it more infectious to humans but they are debating if it could have come from regular mutation.

Also worth pointing out that SARS escaped before.