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slangin_paint 58 points ago

The balls on this guy

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Graey 29 points ago

The balls on this guy's eyes...

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Sexual-Assault-Rifle 24 points ago (edited)

This may be a key to this puzzle as well:

http://archive.fo/olCkv

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Tellman125 12 points ago

What do you think is the connection? I mean the actual cause and effect there

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Sexual-Assault-Rifle 2 points ago

I'm not 100% sure but apparently developed countries like Canada "give" viruses and other biological creations to other countries for "research". So in the case of Wuhan virus the thought is it was developed first in Canada and we gave it, along with other strains, to China for "research". I guess the issue is whether it was given legally or not. I suppose that would be why they escorted a Chinese scientist from a Canadian lab and charged them with something (and that something is being hidden IMO as they just keep saying there were administration "issues" so they had to remove the scientist). Something's fucky if you ask me.

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fusreedah 3 points ago (edited)

That one is from after the outbreak started, though. Still interesting, but can't possibly be connected.

EDIT: Hmm but I suppose that multiple trips would be the likely scenario. He travelled specifically to Wuhan. Whoa.

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TheTrooper424 1 point ago

Link is RIP

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July_1776 26 points ago

Thanks, George.

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Specter 18 points ago

Wow the one comment under the article aged so badly

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Trumpshevik 3 points ago

I was thinking the same thing

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sharkman100 17 points ago

Lolol just sent my friend this link. His reply “bro, you on the Donald too!?”

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kesquare2 10 points ago

I'm more concerned about how your 'e' moved 7 spaces to the right.

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Footdoc 6 points ago

Xing-Yi Ge & Zhengli-Li Shi. Two of the authors worked for the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This information can be found near the bottom of the paper this article is about under author information affiliations. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

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IllKissYourBoobies 4 points ago

That one comment...

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SnipedYou 123 points ago

Thank god we got off the sinking ship that is Reddit.

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kesquare2 27 points ago

I got permabanned from SandersforPresident today for civilly pointing out the massive flaws in the free tuition plan.

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Lemongrass5 10 points ago

Not to mention how horrible optics university students have nowadays yet think people will just agree to give them free tuition. No one is going to watch the Kaitlin Bennett video and say " yeah those future doctors deserve to have their tuition expunged."

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Seruna_Kanus 6 points ago

The moment tuition becomes free, the value of the 4 year degree plummets to equal or less than a G.E.D.

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drug_prowling_wolf 3 points ago

Since 2014 GED has stepped up it's game. It's no longer your granddad's GED. It assesses thinking skills. It's not easy. As a result of its new rigor if students score at a certain level the GED is accepted by many universities as a college entrance exam. It's a new GED.

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kesquare2 3 points ago

Other than thinking Bennett is a gaslighter and is hurting our cause I agree with you.

The taxing of market trading is the dumbest shit ever.

Thank you for fucking up the middle class chance of retiring with money.

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Titan93 3 points ago

Yeah I agree. I think she should take some time off. Millie seems to do a better job exposing dumb lefty ideas. Kaitlin is too forceful and accusatory. More compassion would help.

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Lance 4 points ago

If they would call themselves a 24/7 hour Sanders rally this would be okayish, you reap what you sow.
But as always they like to pretend to be for everyone, while only supporting kleptocratic elites. And you should have known, who needs facts and arguments, when you can have feelings?

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kesquare2 5 points ago

It was actually a good debate. Civil, had points, but I was rational and making logical points without calling names or insulting.

So... permaban!

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Long_time_lurker 3 points ago

Should check to see if your post got listed by the top minds in TuMOR or something.

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kamakura7 2 points ago (edited)

for all these S4P folks who claim to be the academic sort, you would think after surviving the mayhem that is university administration that the last think they'd want is to just straight up dump more money into it.

how much money have these guys fed into broken vending machines expecting them to work eventually?

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kesquare2 3 points ago

My main point was that hundreds of private schools would have to close their doors because they couldn't compete with free tuition.

Which would lead to hundreds of thousands of students flooding the public institutions which would drastically increase the operating costs, not to mention lead to teacher salaries being cut, and many employees losing their jobs.

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Restore_Sanity 27 points ago

Deleted my account yesterday

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AnotherPatriot 20 points ago

The_Donald was the only reason I went to Reddit in the first place. After the mod takeover there is no point.

Even better, when we're here no one is witchhunting and trying to take everything we say out of context.

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Barbs 52 points ago

Keep in mind that “Coronavirus” is the generic term for all the viruses in this family, and COVID-19 is this microbe’s formal name. The virus they engineered, SCH014, was unrelated to this one, since it was a coronavirus/sars hybrid.

All indicators currently point to this being a naturally occurring virus, not engineered. Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.

Those Chinese wet markets are a plethora of viruses and filth, the perfect breeding ground for epidemics.

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NonyaDB 115 points ago

Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.

Sure, buddy. Whatever you say. No way that Chinese virus lab sitting right next to that wet market and down the street from the first hospital to report COVID-19 infections had anything to do with this.
Considering the widespread panic, outrage, total war, and slaughter such a thing would create there's probably very good reasons why everyone is so quick to say that COVID-19 wasn't man-made in a Chinese lab.
Once this thing peters out, expect a shitload of Chinese virologists to wind up missing/suicided/dead-from-virus.
CHANGSTEIN DIDN'T KILL HIMSELF!

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HotNismo 78 points ago

His name was Seth Chang

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rickscarf 23 points ago

panda

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Sexual-Assault-Rifle 13 points ago

Panda Chang 🐼

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TD_Covfefe_Crusader 5 points ago

Panda Express

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Ozarkian 6 points ago

You Ling, We Bling !

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TehAgent 5 points ago

Sum TIng Wong

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brother_red 4 points ago

Wi Tu Lo

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Get_me_out_of_IL 1 point ago

Hi Li Fuk

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jive-ass-turkey 42 points ago

It is the only level IV biohazard facility in Asia and it is something like 200-300 yards away from the wet market.

Sorry, I don't buy the bat hypothesis either.

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idshukhov 15 points ago

Yeah, thats a heck of a coincidence. Dangerous pathogens have escaped US labs, and I have much less faith in CCP safety measures. A Rutgers professor who worked over there claimed SARS has escaped into Beijing 4 times over the last couple decades.

Even if its not bioengineered, I'm still suspicious of the origin story.

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OGTD1 9 points ago (edited)

They also had instances of bio lab workers selling dead animal test subjects for voodoo food for “side cash” because communism wasn’t meeting their financial needs.

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Eric-CIA-ramella 8 points ago

Not even a claim, it fucking DID. That's how 2003 SARS got off the ground. Communists don't learn from their mistakes, ever.

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SwampSwan 4 points ago

They've literally had nasty-ass wet markets for countless centuries. Then suddenly!

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SheepleMaster 16 points ago

What I don't get is how they even knew it was corona virus? One guy comes down with a bad cold and somehow random doctor knows it's a special disease?? Everything about this is wierd

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BigIron 29 points ago

I believe the first doctors to discover it were noticing SARS like symptoms (SARS is a type of coronavirus) and started warning people that SARS seemed to be reemerging, and to take precautions. They were prompty arrested by the Chinese government for spreading 'harmful rumors'. And yet the media tells us our medical system should be more like China, where people who discover a potential outbreak are arrested in order to cover it up!

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no_step_on_lion 21 points ago

As the old saying goes -- China is asshoe.

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RetroHousewife 2 points ago

Confucius say

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Desperado 10 points ago

Arrested...and then perish, like the poor fuck who first blew the whistle.

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America1stAndOnly 6 points ago

Leftists want free healthcare and a healthcare system that will quietly murder them when they go to the hospital for being sick. What more is there to say about them at this point?

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ChaplainTappman 11 points ago (edited)

Microscopes exist, and different virus types are as different as German Shepherd are from poodles.

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Eric-CIA-ramella 9 points ago

From the account of the community of doctors who discovered it in December, there was an uptick of several patients in the same region all with severe pneumonia. They ran tests, because thank God they were suspicious, and saw that genetically it was almost identical to SARS.

They started spreading the word on IM social media apps, but of course since ALL online activity is monitored by China's own personal army of groupthink police, many of the doctors were arrested and silenced.

That was their first mistake in a line of many, many fuck ups that got to where it is today.

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xerobound 1 point ago

There are also rumours that the SARS-CoV-2 was artificially, or intentionally, made by humans in the lab, and this is highlighted in one manuscript submitted to BioRxiv (a manuscript sharing site prior to any peer review), claiming that SARS-CoV-2 has HIV sequence in it and was thus likely generated in the laboratory. In a rebuttal paper led by an HIV-1 virologist Dr. Feng Gao, they used careful bioinformatics analyses to demonstrate that the original claim of multiple HIV insertions into the SARS-CoV-2 is not HIV-1 specific but random [15]. Because of the many concerns raised by the international community, the authors who made the initial claim have already withdrawn this report.

Evolution is stepwise and accrues mutations gradually over time, whereas synthetic constructs would typically use a known backbone and introduce logical or targeted changes instead of the randomly occurring mutations that are present in naturally isolated viruses such as bat CoV RaTG13. In our view, there is currently no credible evidence to support the claim that SARS-CoV-2 originated from a laboratory-engineered CoV. It is more likely that SARS-CoV-2 is a recombinant CoV generated in nature between a bat CoV and another coronavirus in an intermediate animal host. More studies are needed to explore this possibility and resolve the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2. We should emphasize that, although SARS-CoV-2 shows no evidence of laboratory origin, viruses with such great public health threats must be handled properly in the laboratory and also properly regulated by the scientific community and governments.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/22221751.2020.1733440

Or just by considering the way that viruses form and operate...

It helps to actually read the articles instead of getting half way through the headline and filling the rest in with your imagination.

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NonyaDB 3 points ago

Dr. Feng Gao

Well now, since a Chinese virologist says it's not man-made I guess it's settled that it's not man-made.

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SheepleMaster 1 point ago

Reads like propaganda.

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Strat296 -2 points ago

That doesn't make any sense though. If it was from China, they would have known about it and released it in the US or something, not literally down the street from the origin point. If it was accidental, that makes even less sense because China would have had this shit on lock within 5 min because they would have known exactly what it was.

China is about money, power, and control. This doesn't serve any of those purposes. They shut down all of their factories for two weeks and have also shut down their buyers that they rely on for their power.

I'm all for a good conspiracy theory but this (a) makes no fucking sense and (b) requires you to assume the same people sophisticated enough to a deadly virus that is no way to being traced to being man made would also just let 100k of ther population be infected, shut down half the country, and lose like 5% of their GDP for the year.

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OGTD1 9 points ago

Who said they care about killing millions of their own people in search of their world domination dreams?

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Pinko10 4 points ago (edited)

Exactly! It’s called population control. Why do you think those Chinese people were fighting from being hauled off in the white vans for having corona? They know they ain’t coming back...

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SwampSwan 7 points ago

It could have been 'accidental' if some poor bastard who has to dispose of the dead test animals was selling them instead of incinerating them. Or gag eating them instead of incinerating them.

If he lacked the knowledge of the dangers of doing either of those things, who'd put 2+2 together? Or if he did have the knowledge of what could happen, do ya really think he'd stick his hand up & tell the Commies 'Hey oops, my bad! I let that bug out. Sorry, bye now.' He'd know that they'd kill him & probably his entire family.

Plus, China was already facing a yuge GDP drop thanks to POTUS' trade deals. They have zero problem killing off a few million of their own. They're Communists ffs. They have gulags for their own people. They execute thousands a year for - basically - 'wrongthink.'

We can't know (yet) how it escaped or why, and the CPC will never tell, whether they know or not.

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NonyaDB 5 points ago

You forget China's instinctive culture of "if I ignore it or kill it, it will go away and no one will know it was my fault".
They're fanatical about covering shit up or pinning shit on anything or anyone else but them.
Seriously. Just go look at the many, many videos of Chinese drivers running over people and never stopping or backing up and running over them again to make sure they can't testify against them.

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statecraft 1 point ago

Who benefits?

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Eric-CIA-ramella 0 points ago (edited)

bitch writing essays

You mean persuasive essays, like you learned in middle school to present an argument? Or did you not go to middle school smoothbrain?

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Eric-CIA-ramella 2 points ago

Are you twelve or something? Yeah, no lurkers read any of this at all. Kys.

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Kingofdaswing 28 points ago

The best current theory right now is that this virus was isolated from a bat somewhere as it is extremely rare in nature and was grown and observed in a virology lab. It probably escaped from there.

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nero2003 22 points ago (edited)

A source for that being "the best current theory" would be appreciated. Although I'm open minded, I only see this from sites like Zero Hedge.

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Razeontherock 18 points ago

It escaped. You know, like Houdini. They had it tied up in a straitjacket, locked, and suspended underwater upside down!

You should have seen this thing wiggle it's way out of that. Then it stole the keys to a mini car and drove through the hallways recklessly until it got to the exterior door with the James Bond style handprint access.

We really need to stop letting experimental viruses watch James Bond. They adapt too quickly.

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User11212019 15 points ago

search for an Indian lab that says they found evidence of genetic engineering when they examined the virus. They got shut down real fast and retracted everything. That is how science is supposed to work right?

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sketchy_at_best 10 points ago

Zero Hedge isn't all bad. You just have to pick and choose appropriately what you accept without reservation. Just like any news/opinion.

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nero2003 8 points ago

I agree. I like the site, I just have my BS meter always running.

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Kolob 6 points ago

Absolutely, their virus hysteria is at top level. At the same time they print many different viewpoints and I like the site too. All news sites have fake news. My mom was a reporter and taught me that

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Thrasymachus 7 points ago

Their everything hysteria is almost always a top level. I appreciate what they've got going on over there, for the most part, but you have to pull your Shit-Wader pants up almost as high on ZH as you do on /pol. They've got a real Chicken-Little thing constantly going on over there re: economic conditions.

And you ain't peddling vaccum about all news being fake news; sounds like you had a good teacher in your mom.

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Kolob 5 points ago

Yes, nothing like an insider for a real red pill. Way back in 2016 she told me Trump would win the nomination and the election. She had covered politics and been a news junky for years and had her finger on the pulse. I am so happy she saw Trump elected before she died. She also told me to watch Tulsi Gabbard. She loved Trump, but could predict elections independent of her personal politics. She said he has a profound political instinct and she did not analyse like Scott Adams, for her she saw it in her gut. She saw it in Bill Clinton as well and she despised him. I miss my mom, I would love to hear her opinion on some of what is happening now

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Birdlawyer85 2 points ago

Just like the SARS virus escaped from a highly secured Beijing lab some years ago.

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jamrs 2 points ago

I use to think this but then they found a similar virus (99% match) in the wild in pangolins

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Eric-CIA-ramella -2 points ago

That's the least like and most fake news theory guy.

https://thedonald.win/p/4KCJBDv/x/c/GbanEfwf

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sunnyingreenfield 21 points ago (edited)

I read a few reports that four HIV proteins had been found in the RNA(?) of the virus. They reported that such proteins would not have been expected to be found there, less MILLIONS of mutations, and then only a slim possibly. (IIRC, this was published in Times of India, or India Today. Late Feb?)

(edited to add: the existence of the proteins helped the virus bond to humans, otherwise it could not have made the leap from a bat to a human host)

There were also two Chinese studies that were published that cast serious doubt on this being a naturally occurring virus, and both of them concluded that it likely originated in the Wuhan biolab. (Also mid-late Feb)

None of the stuff I read suggested that the virus was released as a bio-weapon, moreso that it originated in the labs and likely got out due to lax procedures or via infecting Patient zero in the lab. They also posited the possibility that infected lab animals were sold out the back door.

I can't verify any of the above information (I will see if i can dig up any links later, you can decide for yourself) but reading them certainly left me thinking that there was the distinct possibility the virus was more than just naturally occurring.

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Kolob 15 points ago

I remember those articles as well. I also believe it was carelessness and not deliberate.

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Razeontherock 7 points ago

How would we know? Like China would tell us?

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dickwagger 15 points ago

Yes! They would come out and say, "We not asshoe"

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jive-ass-turkey 7 points ago

There is evidence to suggest that Asians are the most susceptible to the catching the virus.

I am not sure why but, if true, would put cold water on the idea they released it themselves.

If they did they wouldn't have released it in Wuhan.

If it would have broken out in Xinjiang, then this theory would have legs.

The simple fact that the only lab in Asia rated to safely handle a virus like this one is in the same town is damning evidence. Added to the Chinese Communist Party's track record? Forget about it.

There is no point in even investigating it at this point for most people I think.

We can't trust anything coming out of China but know enough that it would take a mountain of objective evidence to convince the people paying attention this virus came from anywhere else.

There is no chance of clearing this up definitively and there probably never will be. The CDC isn't even allowed into China.

The preeminent virologists in the world were ready to assist, free of charge, and China said no thanks. No country where there has been a major outbreak has ever done such a thing in the past.

Combined with what we knew before this happened, that move alone tells me everything I need to know.

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Ozarkian 5 points ago

I dunno man. They were pressured to abandon the 1 child policy and are totally overcrowded. Then their markets suffered after the new Trump deal. They probably needed to sacrifice a few lambs .

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HughGRection 6 points ago

I mean, if you wanted a virus to kill off excess population, wouldn't you want a virus that was HIGHLY contagious, didn't effect infants at all, and killed old folks like they got leukemia?

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

Nah. Half the Country won't believe that, but will continue to "resist"

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Kolob 2 points ago

I think they are more susceptible because TB is endemic and their air quality is horrific.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

I wouldn't say any of that would stop Xi from being a madman. Whether it was manufactured as a bioweapon and released intentionally or surfaced from the wild is a detail we may never know.

All I can tell you for sure is I do NOT want it!

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Eric-CIA-ramella 1 point ago

You can do the math based of prior research and history of the lab:

https://thedonald.win/p/4KCJBDv/x/c/GbanEfwf

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MrSnappy 2 points ago

This!

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muhHAMmadWasaPedophi 17 points ago

All indicators currently point to this being a naturally occurring virus, not engineered.

Opinion.

Virologists are trained to notice that kind of stuff and I haven’t heard of any of them signaling that this even could be man-made.

Yet.

Those Chinese wet markets are a plethora of viruses and filth, the perfect breeding ground for epidemic.

So is a BSL-4 bioweapons laboratory located in Wuhan, China. There was a report on Tucker that a whistleblower stated they tested bioweapons (like this virus) on live animals, then sold them to the market for a side profit. The hopelessly corrupt Chinese Communist Party must be eradicated.

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Thrasymachus 12 points ago

This seems to be the most likely scenario from everything I've seen.

I just don't buy any versions of a deliberate release or some ill-fated attempt at biological warfare. I DO buy incompetence and avarice in the form of a gaps in their containment procedure and utterly unscrupulous lab staff making extra scratch on the side selling research animals nearby for delicious pandemic soup.

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Eric-CIA-ramella 1 point ago

If they wanted to intentionally release it they could've done it a.) more effectively b.) not on their own population.

There is the theory that it was meant to cull the massive Chinese overpopulation itself, but that would be like nuking a forest fire.

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WinMoreReeLess 14 points ago (edited)

SARS-CoV-2 is there formal name, it has been determined to be similar enough to SARS-CoV to be classified as such.

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stratocaster_patriot 13 points ago

OK but I haven't heard them conclude that it is naturally occurring either or that it couldn't be made. It's a virus, a very simple bit of DNA with a cell wall, of course this can be made. So you believe just coincidence that this particular wet market full of filth just so happened to be in Wuhan? It's OK to doubt other theories but not OK to dismiss them as conspiracy just because you are certain based on things that you say you have not heard.

Those Chinese wet markets are a plethora of viruses and filth, the perfect breeding ground for epidemics

OK but this one just so happened to be in Wuhan and is a massive pandemic and is taking world markets like I've never seen in such a short period right before the re-election of the only POTUS in US history to play tough with China. I don't grudge you your point of view but I do say my theory is as good as yours at this point.

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SheepleMaster 4 points ago (edited)

Had a reverse theory occur to me. If they really wanted to kill alot of people, this virus sucks at it. They probably engineered one much deadlier, but related. So they are trying to contain it because it will give people immunity to the really bad viruses they made, thwarting their evil plans!

Just a thought experiment!

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ChaplainTappman 3 points ago (edited)

"Darn it Ming, I said vile 16, not vile 18."

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stratocaster_patriot 3 points ago

Interesting idea but not so likely I'd say. With how viruses mutate after they spread that would be extremely risky. Furthermore, immunity to one virus is not at all immunity to another. I think they got exactly what they wanted with this one. I virus that spreads quickly and can live for days in the air so they can tank our record breaking economy and possibly create the chaos that gets their puppet in office in 2020.

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Mini me intensifies

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dickwagger 2 points ago

I can tell you aren't sheeple-minded

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Why is that? Is it because it's too simple, or what?

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PoleHERbehr 5 points ago

Ding ding I knew this biology degree of mine would be useful for something

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

So they're too simple to qualify as life?

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Razeontherock -1 points ago

What you just described certainly counts as saying "too simple to be considered alive"

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Eric-CIA-ramella 2 points ago

They're far smaller and more automatic than microorganisms.

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SwampSwan 1 point ago

To see how weird viruses can appear, look up images of "bacteriophage" - granted, a totally different type virus from the coronaviruses. But that image really brought it home to me years ago in Microbiology 101 that viruses are non-living.

(a course everyone should take in HS imo - talk about curbing STDs! lol)

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

Looks like something out of Dr Who

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SwampSwan 2 points ago

Or Dante's "Inferno"

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nocrazies 9 points ago

Wait, early on we had both the Indian and Australian government that claimed it was man made.

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dark_kniggit 9 points ago

What about those Indian researchers who published HIV genome sequences found in COVID19...

Right before Zero Hedge was nuked off of Twitter for reporting it.

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User11212019 3 points ago

How dare you!

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Vegans4Trump 7 points ago

Yeah exactly. Researchers traced this one back to pangolins, then bats. The Chinese tried to cover it up because they allowed the wet markets to keep going on for so long despite other outbreaks from there. They keep wild animals from all over the world, in tiny cages stacked on top of each other, in tiny humid rooms, with feces dripping down from one cage to another, then to a human butchering them or even eating them raw. This is the real issue we need to talk about so this never happens again. Normal people who have nothing to do with this trade are dying because a handful of rich Chinese want pieces of wild animals to "cure" their erectile dysfunctions and other bullshit.

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krzyzowiec 7 points ago

The illegally smuggled pangolin origin story was put out by the Chinese to deflect from rumors about the Wuhan biolab.

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SheepleMaster 1 point ago (edited)

"Researchers"

Well that's all I need to know, let's wrap it up boys

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JMaN 5 points ago

Don't merely trust academics. Many academics are right in lockstep with the MSM and Pedowood. And it is a logical fallacy of appeal to authority.

https://www.justice.gov/news?f%5B0%5D=field_pr_topic%3A34661&f%5B1%5D=field_pr_topic%3A29511

You can see a lot related to China and radical Islamic terrorism.

Nothing is out of the question and this isn't new:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/17/where-lyme-disease-came-from-and-why-it-eludes-treatment/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsyujjitOFM&feature=emb_logo

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Aluminoti 4 points ago

Question since you seem to be knowledgeable : Are all of the cases that are being reported Covid 19? The news media seems to be throwing around the Coronavirus term pretty liberally and I'm suspect that in their eagerness to panic people they intentionally aren't being specific as to the type of Coronavirus that tested positive. I think they are mixing less harmful strains that come up positive in a test and just labeling everything Coronavirus

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Kolob 6 points ago

Yes, they are Covid, what we do not know except in Korea is how many are infected. The mass testing in Korea is indicating a much lower mortality rate because they tested healthy people who never knew they were sick.

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Razeontherock 4 points ago

Stop pretending we understand this virus. We don't even know how it spreads! Is it airborne?

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Duke_LFG 10 points ago

Its been deemed an aerosol. It is affected by gravity.

Airborne means it floats.

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Birdlawyer85 2 points ago

I think it simply escaped from the Wuhan Lab just like the SARS virus escaped from a Beijing lab a couple of years ago. Pure incompetence.

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MaxineWaters4Prez 1 point ago

I remember reading something on reddit before they took their ball and went home that a scientist said there was almost zero chance it was a product of nature.

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buttsniff 1 point ago

Thank you for the non-schizo post

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JohnyEZ 1 point ago

Not an expert so genuinely just wondering: I thought COVID-19 was a mix of SARS and coronavirus since its name is SARS-COV-2?

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Eric-CIA-ramella 1 point ago

COVID-19 is this microbe’s formal name

Wrong, WHO came up with that name after traveling to China to investigate and NOT visiting Wuhan at all. Let's try to not spread WHO propaganda, ok?

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SirPokeSmottington 1 point ago

Keep in mind that “Coronavirus” is the generic term for all the viruses in this family, and COVID-19 is this microbe’s formal name.

Very incorrect.

I'm not sure why so many are getting this wrong. But I'll blame it on Fake News.

COrona VIrus Disease - 2019

The microbe is STILL Coronavirus and its official name is SARS-CoV-2.

The symptoms are the disease of which it is now called COVID-19.

Don't fall into the trap of them trying to distance the virus from China with obfuscation.

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NPC_Spez 1 point ago

Except that COVID-19 is IN FACT a hybrid of SARS

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FuckReddit4545 42 points ago

This is biological warfare from China

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Toughsky_Shitsky 28 points ago

Commies are gonna commie.

100 million deaths last century .. 60 from communist China.

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VetforTrump 22 points ago

This is the comment inwas looking for. Even though china did not likely use this weak ass virus to attack us, the deep state has weaponized the event and is using fear to disrupt entire economies. Yes it is an attack by the media and the puppeteers pulling their strings to kill the u.s. economy.

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Southern_Belle 20 points ago

Not just China.

From the globalists.

WHO is involved. Merkel. All the open borders people.

This means war.

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Vegans4Trump 5 points ago

China doesn't want us all to get infected, they depend on every western country to buy their cheap crap. It's just negligence on China's part letting the wild animal trade run rampant in Wuhan. Then trying to cover it up and calling us "racist" for calling them out. All because they want these "natural remedies" from wild animals that they believe cures anything. I know it doesn't sound as cool as "biological warfare" but it's the truth.

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Thrasymachus 3 points ago

I think the writing is on the wall for Chinese (slave) labor as an economic advantage. It was already in the works to untangle some supply chains from China, as the lower costs aren't as lower as they used to be. This, plus the fact that even someone with their eyes firmly on quarterly results and their geopolitical head squarely in the sand will find it increasingly hard to ignore any longer that China is not a friend of the US, or the West in general.

It's time to end the era of Cheap Chinese Shit. Automation is on the way anyway; I hope this incident will jump-start that transition.

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nero2003 14 points ago

But other virologists question whether the information gleaned from the experiment justifies the potential risk. Although the extent of any risk is difficult to assess, Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says.

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harrison_bergeron 6 points ago

Here's a link to the paper discussing the lab-created virus:

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

Ho Lee shit! That's a long paper

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learntocode 3 points ago (edited)

The article in question is page 1508 to 1512. There are a couple of pages of citations and some boilerplate ethics crap as well.

These researchers made a virus in order to test the ability of this variety of viruses to spread in mice (and humans).

"[T]he results establish the viability of full-length SHC014-CoV, but suggest that further adaptation is required for its replication to be equivalent to that of epidemic SARS-CoV in human respiratory cells and in mice."

  • page 1510-1511

The paper goes on:

Although our study does not invalidate the other emergence routes, it does argue for a third paradigm in which circulating bat CoV pools maintain ‘poised’ spike proteins that are capable of infecting humans without mutation or adaptation (Fig. 4c). This hypothesis is illustrated by the ability of a chimeric virus containing the SHC014 spike in a SARS-CoV backbone to cause robust infection in both human airway cultures and in mice without RBD adaptation. Coupled with the observation of previously identified pathogenic CoV back-bones3,20, our results suggest that the starting materials required for SARS-like emergent strains are currently circulating in animal reservoirs. Notably, although full-length SHC014-CoV probably requires additional backbone adaption to mediate human disease, the documented high-frequency recombination events in CoV families underscores the possibility of future emergence and the need for further preparation.

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chinesefoodtakeaway 3 points ago

ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE STUDY (listed below):

Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China Xing-Yi Ge & Zhengli-Li Shi

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

Oh goody. I do not like this Sam I am!

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phibetared 12 points ago (edited)

Partial TLDR: A group of scientists at Chapel Hill NC (University) PLUS one Chinese guy from Wuhan (not making that up) wrote a paper in 2015. They conducted experiments to see if mutations of the SARS/Corona virus could be treated. They found that some mutations COULD be treated. But the SCH014 strain proved difficult.

The also said something like "Further research like this might not be a good idea, as the cost/benefit versus the chance of producing a strain that could very bad - might not be positive." (I.e, Reading between the lines (my words) we could produce something that could kill a lot of people )

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SarahCartersPuppies 3 points ago (edited)

Sounds like virologist Timothy Sheahan or likely his circle of contacts who are based in chapel hill. Just read about him in an article where he comments on the efficacy of remdesivir, the go to drug globally being used for covid 19 on compassionate use basis. The drug was created by biotech company “Gilead” to combat merz, SARS and Ebola. It has shown to be effective in combating corona viruses in Rhesus macaque monkeys and is in human trials in China, Europe, and Us as we speak. Results out in April on current covid patients. Sheahan used to work for another bio tech called “GSK”.

I just invested my first 1k in stocks yesterday, take a wild guess where I invested.

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phibetared 2 points ago

Thanks for the tip and info. Excellent both. I'm waiting for an account to open that has some cash lying dormant in it. Once open, I'll do the same! thanks

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SarahCartersPuppies 1 point ago

Fingers crossed. Another one that’s showing efficacy is a drug Kaletra made by AbbVie

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HuggableBear 2 points ago

GSK is Glaxo Smith-Kline. They're a massive pharmaceutical company that embodies everything great and everything awful about Big Pharma. About 10 years ago they were hit with a multi-billion dollar criminal case for paying doctors to prescribe drugs patients didn't need but that wouldn't have negative side effects.

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SarahCartersPuppies 1 point ago (edited)

Didn’t know that about them, but they are definitely on my radar. Really makes you wonder. There’s so many racing for solutions, it’s like trying to pick a winning horse. This pandemic looks like it’s accelerating fast, and so far it looks like “Abbvie” is overtaking “Gilead” with their drug Kaletra, at least from my research. Even with a potential massive drop off in the market I gotta believe these companies will benefit due to global demand if it turns out they are most viable. Not as thrilled with potential vaccines which won’t be out for at least a year.

This is lookin on par with 1929, 1987 crash, crazy shit.

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DisrespectfulNipples 11 points ago (edited)

Start at 22:20

It was uploaded to You Tube in September.

[Spez] I looked into this earlier today. Apprarently 'David Elias Goldberg' is a generic person intended to throw off Intelligence. No one knows who the whistleblower is.

The audio has been uploaded to You Tube many times in the past month, and the original was pulled down. The version I linked is the oldest I could find on You Tube. Uploaded in September.

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Thrasymachus 4 points ago

I'm not sure I am prepared to put much stock in Strongbad and his One World Government in Israel "documents" as a particularly believable source. A virus can't kill dissidents, it kills statistically. Nobody would go along with anything even remotely like that.

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DisrespectfulNipples 1 point ago

The audio is not a source on anything. What he predicted last year is similar to what's happening now. That's the only reason I posted it. Everything else he said is speculatory.

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Deaf_MAGA_Pede 0 points ago

WTF??? So from my understanding (and reading the comments on YT), this was supposedly planned during the Hillary Clinton years if she won President, so they can finally incorporate NWO?

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Restore_Sanity 10 points ago (edited)

Angela Merkel visited Wuhan, China just two months before the pandemic broke out. While there she visited a Science and Technology University and toured a local hospital. It was only her 12th visit to China since 2005. Batshit crazy odds.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-09/08/c_138374216.htm

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PoohClimbsTrees 3 points ago

That link was pretty mindblowing.

Date: November 10, 2015

is notable not only because there is no treatment for this newly discovered virus, but also because it highlights an ongoing debate over the government's decision to suspend all gain of function experiments on a variety of select agents earlier this year. The move has put a substantial standstill on the development of vaccines or treatments for these pathogens should there be an outbreak.

Mother fucker!

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TrumpFortyFive 5 points ago

The fact that China may have stolen the virus from a Canadian lab puts the "little potatoe" comment against Prime Minister Truedeau in a different light: https://globalnews.ca/news/2923202/justin-trudeau-earns-nickname-little-potato-during-trip-to-china/

Trudeau took "little potatoe" as a compliment. Maybe they meant he's "small potatoes". They go to Canada, buy up whatever they want, make terrible trade deals, and then steal from them.

That Northern Border Wall might actually need to become a thing someday.

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learntocode 2 points ago

Right? But if they do "gain of function" studies they could potentially create a disease that does massive damage. It is an ethical mess.

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HeavyVetting 8 points ago

Rest assured that this will be a "crazy far-right conspiracy theory" and they will ridicule anyone even acknowledging it until one day they finally start reporting on it like it's the first time anyone's heard about it.

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learntocode 4 points ago

Right? Everything is political in the post modern communist influenced Clown World we live in. Honk honk.

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BonerDonor 7 points ago

A virus that is very contagious and deadly to the elderly is exactly what China needs to solve its population issues. They've got far more old people than children, and it's going to be a tremendous burden on their economy to take care of them all. That is, if they weren't all to suddenly die off.

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evilmonkey55778 6 points ago

This will be scrubbed from the internet soon.

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nocrazies 6 points ago

This article should be added too https://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/ as information relevant to where it started, who started, who let it get out and how..

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nocrazies 4 points ago

Remember Frank Plumber was just found dead in Africa while investigating this.

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Razeontherock 1 point ago

Who let the beer out? Who, who, who who?

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GlacialSpeed 5 points ago

Damnit scientists, wipe your fucking shoes before leaving the lab to go eat your raw bat-brain salads!!

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DarkRiver 5 points ago

The WHO can't tell me they are not aware of this

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Tx50bmg 2 points ago

That was the EXACT song that popped in my head before I clicked your link. Lol

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Southern_Belle 3 points ago (edited)

Of course they can't.

They are part of the people creating it; that's why they are ticked off that Trump closed the borders to the continent.

They wanted to kill everyone they could. This doctor quoted below should be brought up on war crimes. Nothing worse than bioweapons.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8104365/Vice-President-Mike-Pence-says-Americans-returning-Europe-asked-quarantine.html

Dr. Margaret Harris, with the World Health Organisation, said that while travel bans are useful in the early stages of an outbreak, they are of little use when the disease starts spreading freely within communities - as it has in the US.

Rather than focus efforts on closing borders, she urged countries including the US to stop the spread within their own borders by rapidly testing people for the virus and ensuring they get appropriate treatment.

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anotherunperson 1 point ago

WHO can get fucked.

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PoohClimbsTrees 5 points ago (edited)

Thanks Obama?

Date: November 10, 2015

is notable not only because there is no treatment for this newly discovered virus, but also because it highlights an ongoing debate over the government's decision to suspend all gain of function experiments on a variety of select agents earlier this year. The move has put a substantial standstill on the development of vaccines or treatments for these pathogens should there be an outbreak.

Mother fucker!

From this link another poster supplied on this thread.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/11/151110115711.htm

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CiaramellaTheClown 4 points ago

They source this:

Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China Xing-Yi Ge & Zhengli-Li Shi

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Cuck-WTF 4 points ago

Thanks Obama.

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LittleBlackKat 4 points ago

Like those job listings.

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Azerin 4 points ago

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26552008 I searched "SHC014 wuhan" and there are a ton of articles linking the two

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shav 3 points ago

probably going to get removed but put the archive link up on the coronavirus sub

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somethinga9230j 3 points ago

https://archive.li/gfzhs

"Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens"

22 February 2017

Wuhan, China

"Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats."

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User11212019 3 points ago

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41434-019-0081-8

If you think that article is scary, check out above. Using Bat Adeno-Viruses as gene therapy vectors. Alex Jones was right, this is biological warfare from the deep state.

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forgloryofkekistan 3 points ago

So where was this being engineered? I didn't see any mention of which lab was undertaking the experiment.

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EPic 6 points ago

I'll put $100 on that Bio Level 5 lab in Wuhan.

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For_All_Mankind 3 points ago

Why are we creating viruses in labs? That can literally only end poorly.

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SheepleMaster 5 points ago

Because too much money goes to shitheads and not good people

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learntocode 1 point ago

Either way, these things exist and I think should be studied. Making our own versions to see what we can learn - is both a practical and ethical decision.

Different people, countries, and governments are going to decide to do one or the other path.

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Blaaaahhhhh 2 points ago

Question is if the conspiracy theory of there being a biological warfare lab in Wuhan is true

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Madnote1984 0 points ago

There’s NO question. There is a BSL4 lab called “Wuhan Institute of Virology” a block away from the market where this all supposedly started.

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Razeontherock 3 points ago

Not a block away. 20 miles away.

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MAGANYficent 2 points ago (edited)

It the virus is proven to be man-made, it will be deemed an act of terrorism or biological warfare against the world.

If China was behind the engineering, they will become the world pariah.

Edit: Spez contacted me and asked that I delete this message (his bosses are extremely pissed off and worried.) I told him to fuck off.

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millipede55 2 points ago

So, how much did Soros pay China to release the virus?

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kleindropper 2 points ago

Spreading this out as much as possible. People need to be held accountable for this.

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RecoveringNPC 1 point ago

Do we have Donald Gold™?

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CheetoVonTweeto 1 point ago

You bet your sweet ass I shared this. Fuck China.

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Ursus 1 point ago

But we new this. That is the kind of research, among others, that was done in the Wuhan P4-lab. Trying to infect mice is helpful when verifying a vaccine. This is why people assume the outbreak is related to a laboratory accident.

A similar lab in Beijing has accidentally infected it's staff more than once. Furthermore, a low risk bio-lab adjacent to the wet-market also handled the Chinese horseshoe bat.

Someone on Weibo claimed that a couple of years ago a janitor there was busted for stealing infected lab animals and sell the to the wet-market. It was swiftly taken down by the sleepless censors, making it hard to verify.

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fpc13 1 point ago

shared; epic find here!

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Titan93 1 point ago

No one:

Not a living soul:

Pure evil: well I guess today I'll try to make a virus to mass murder human beings. Hmm bats might work?

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SNRNXS 1 point ago

why were they even engineering this?

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Not so fast. That same paragraph suggests maybe it's not such a good idea.

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learntocode 1 point ago

Medical ethical conundrum. Effective route to vaccines and disease response - gotta make novel version of these viruses and run tests. Could potentially make super bug that wipes out our species.

Studying what exists - slower development of vaccines, etc. leading to a pandemic which wipes out our species.

There are no solutions, only responses.

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Razeontherock 2 points ago

Aka moral dilemma.

How many movies predicted this in their plot?

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Brulz_Lulz 1 point ago

New game. Be the first to have this image removed by Reddit's "anti-evil operations team".

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162lake 1 point ago

covid is from 5g radiation

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JoeSnifDaKidz 1 point ago

We must trust scientists!! (Scientist accidentally kill thousands)

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Birdlawyer85 1 point ago

Well, well, well. What do we have here ;)

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Methuselah 1 point ago (edited)

Repost from r/conspiracy over a month ago (that has since been quarantined). Engineered SARS Coronovirus spliced with HIV-1 characteristics ---> virology evolution research ---> Dr. Church / Dr. Charles Lieber ---> Harvard ---> Wuhan BLS-4 Lab / Xing-Ye Gi ---> Wuhan Institute of Virology. Requires some leg work, but it's all there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/extiks/scientific_article_regarding_an_engineered_sars/

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TrancePhreak 1 point ago

holy shiat, that sounds very plausible

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Greatest_adventure 1 point ago

How is this related, if at all, to the MIT prof/researcher who was caught with samples destined for Wuhan?

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sharkman100 1 point ago

anyone have the “water is wet” article so I can compare the two?

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123breadman 1 point ago

The Kung Fu flu is no where near as dangerous as influenza, Wanna know why?

...It was made in China.

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fitfrank 1 point ago

been looking for this post - thanks to everyone for sharing the links in the thread also. tons of important info here we need to save/archive

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thisguy883 1 point ago

Was looking for this earlier.

Thanks!

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Magakekdon33 1 point ago

Hmmmm. Whatever happened to all those Chinese protestors waiving American flags? Was there some kind of mist sprayed on them? When did we last see them on the news.....?

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Mad_Hattie 1 point ago (edited)

Hong Kong you mean?

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BamaMAGA 1 point ago

Like every other Satanic leftist plan lately, this will blow up on them again. Jesus is Lord

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SauronWasFramed 1 point ago

From Nature.com on the article. Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.

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independentbystander 1 point ago

>November 2015

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Amway 1 point ago

Seems like this is a seed planted by the Chinese to pin the current mess on the US> Did I miss something?

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ramseyducati 1 point ago

I tried to compare timelines on corona vs swine flu and theyre wiping that shit off the net imo

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dirtysanchez69 1 point ago

WHAT A COINCIDENCE! — CCP state media

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john_wick 1 point ago

WOW... Note the sole comment :

C Narayana Varun•2015-11-18 06:00 AM

I totally don't understand the logic of how Gain of function is a dangerous experiment, when done in a well contained lab lead by responsible scientists. Even if we consider that this strain is dangerous (Apparently not) , people are questioning the authenticity of Bio-safety procedures. Labs have worked on Ebola recently and not a single outbreak has been reported which originated from lab. People are just obsessed with the wrong understanding of GOF (Gain of function) research. Go listen to all TWiV episodes 1. http://varuncnmicro.blogspot.in/2014/07/ferrets-are-not-humans.html 2. http://www.twiv.tv/

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AlteredBeast 1 point ago

Gilead been working with Wuxi in wuhan. All good, got the solution lined up.

Is this why there’s a mass cabal interest in New Zealand? they’ve been remarkably minimally affected by the virus.

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Jadae 1 point ago

CNN: He is just a butler for de klan. Ignore him.

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you-know-im-right 0 points ago

“It’s just the flu bro”

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