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posted ago by DrainNIH

Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High

will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. a

2I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,

my God, in whom I trust.”

3Surely he will save you

from the fowler’s snare

and from the deadly pestilence.

4He will cover you with his feathers,

and under his wings you will find refuge;

his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.

5You will not fear the terror of night,

nor the arrow that flies by day,

6nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness,

nor the plague that destroys at midday.

7A thousand may fall at your side,

ten thousand at your right hand,

but it will not come near you.

8You will only observe with your eyes

and see the punishment of the wicked.

9If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,”

and you make the Most High your dwelling,

10no harm will overtake you,

no disaster will come near your tent.

__11For he will command his angels concerning you

to guard you in all your ways;__

12they will lift you up in their hands,

so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.

13You will tread on the lion and the cobra;

you will trample the great lion and the serpent.

14“Because he b loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him;

I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

15He will call on me, and I will answer him;

I will be with him in trouble,

I will deliver him and honor him.

16With long life I will satisfy him

and show him my salvation.”

Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. a 2I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” 3Surely he will save you from the fowler’s snare and from the deadly pestilence. 4He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. 5You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day, 6nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. 7A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. 8You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. 9If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling, 10no harm will overtake you, no disaster will come near your tent. __11For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways;__ 12they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone. 13You will tread on the lion and the cobra; you will trample the great lion and the serpent. 14“Because he b loves me,” says the Lord, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. 15He will call on me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. 16With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.”
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ProudAmerican 1 point ago

Placing god within every aspect of life is what drove this country to leftism. We have separation of church and state for a reason. If you want to believe, go ahead, but don’t mix that shit with politics.

There aren’t enough Christians to have a large enough Republican base to win. This is why you have been losing the fight until this most recent election. If you want to win, leave your opinion on god at your house or at church. It’s the only way to gain enough moderates to fight back against the left wing progressive socialism that’s taking a foot hold in this country.

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RedDuck 1 point ago (edited)

"placing God within every aspect of life is what drove this country to leftism"

It's like we're looking at two different realities.

God was always at the center of life in America until the twentieth century. It is the abandonment of God that drives people to leftism, and wherever the left games power they persecute Christians and religion.

I understand where you're coming from. You don't want the Trump movement to be a "Christian" movement because you think it will drive moderates away. But that's not what I'm asking for. I'm just asking for the movement to make room for Christianity. Which it already does, luckily. But if people listen to you we would silence Christians within our own movement, make them keep all religious talk at home. I'm sorry I get enough of that from the leftists. If I start getting it from the Trump movement too I'm leaving, and I'm not the only one.

And I know you don't believe in God so what I'm about to say won't mean anything to you, but just so you understand my mind: none of this will succeed without God.

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ProudAmerican 1 point ago

My position on god is it’s unknowable if there is or isn’t one. I can’t believe there is no god just as I can’t believe there is one.
The country is founded on the separation of church and state. This prevents one religious ideology from controlling the people. Freedom from religion and it’s control on the government is necessary for balance amongst the people. We choose to live by the constitution as the highest law of the land because it isn’t a religion. This is the only way to recognize our inalienable rights without infringing on those who have a different opinion on religion. If you want the camp to grow, you have to leave god out of it. We must come to an agreement based on the constitution and it’s recognition of human rights. If we make it about god, there will be no success in retaining the rights as we know them.

Also, if we allow god to be the cornerstone of our system then you must recognize another religion could come in and overtake it. I don’t want to see any religion stirring the pot of my individual rights. We must keep religion and politics separate if we’re going to agree on a system of government that recognizes human rights without the requirement of belief in god, or allah, or shiva or whatever.

You must know that this movement has been propelled by non-Christians who simply don’t want socialism. They are moderates who can’t vote for a socialist so they have sided with republicans, for now. They have their own belief system, but are able to put it to the side in order to vote for the capitalist or constitutionalist. If we shove god down their throats in an unambiguous manner, they will either refrain from voting or vote for the “other guy”. What I’m seeing at this site is a slow ramp up of the word of god, even though it has no place in politics.

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RedDuck 1 point ago

The separation of church and state was never interpreted the way you interpreted it until recently. All it meant was that the state cannot establish an official religion and coerce belief in that religion.

This is been abused now to mean that no mention of God or religion can be made in publicly-funded settings. As a result to get leftist in college who are free to spew their vile moral beliefs unimpeded, where is any moral belief which is based on religious code is banned from being spoken work knowledged unless it fits within the leftist framework. This is the exact opposite of what the founders were trying to establish. They wanted to stop one particular religious sect from stamping out the expressive rights of another. Instead now we have leftist secular humanism stamping out the expressive rights of all religions which thet regard in low esteem, while their own moral expression is protected precisely because it is Godless. The reversal is positively luciferian.

Your belief this movement as being fueled by "non Christians who don't want socialism" is simply incorrect. That group has played a role which helped pushed Trump over the top, but Christian conservatives play the larger part. Your comment is a bit like saying, this building is only tall because of its fourth floor!

This was our movement before you came to consider it yours. We have been warning against the immorality of the left long before they reach the point of child drag queen shows and transgender story time, and we were mocked by people like you for doing so.

But we are not trying to exclude you from the movement. We are not telling you to keep your views on God silent in order to not offend the evangelicals.

And even if you don't believe in it, know that Christianity is at its core a religion of self-sacrifice, individual self sacrifice. For any political movement to have force, it requires people to sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Normally this doesn't happen unless it is nihilistic (person has no self-worth) which inevitably causes chaos (as with antifa, school shooters, etc), or unless things get so bad that self sacrifice is necessary to preserve one's existence anyway (so that it becomes a matter of simply choosing to risk a loss in the near-term in the hopes of preventing a sure loss in the long term).

Christianity properly understood, however, requires one to "die to self" everyday. You act in order to do God's will. The way it is practically speaking plays out means that you do the right thing and avoid all evil means of achieving your ends. To the extent that you avoid sin, you are being guided by the hand of God. And as long as you do this, your soul is invincible.

The fact that you are on our side now is a good sign. As an agnostic I hope you at least believe that if there is a God then he implanted a moral code within you for a reason, and that if you obey that moral code in all you do, avoiding evil even when you think it will help you achieve a good purpose, that God will be pleased with you.

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ProudAmerican 1 point ago

People like me know there are inherent problems with the lack of morality. Whatever mocking was done wasn’t from me. In fact, my will for anyone to have their belief system is very high, but it’s also evident that religion creates division amongst the populace. If we want to stand as a singular nation, we must choose that which is agreeable.

I’ve heard every argument coming from those who believe in god. The bottom line is, the fringes won’t win elections on their own. Coming to the center with respect to politics is the shift taking place. I’m not on your “side” because my choices aren’t made by my belief in god. My decisions are my own and aren’t made to please that which isn’t certain.

I’d also like to point out that it’s not my duty to promote with my tax dollars any religion within the public forum. If it were, we would be funding the next religion to take hold. If Christianity is allowed to be represented in the tax payer funded areas of public, like schools, then so must all other religions. Will we bend over and allow Muslims to manipulate the schedules of our institutions in order to pray 5 times a day at specific times? After all, you’re ok with the word of god, why not Allah?

I’ll make this my last point because we could go back and forth in perpetuity. There is no movement behind Trump that will continue on after 2024. There aren’t enough people on the ends of the spectrum to gain control. It takes the moderate, non-religious, yet highly moral individuals to lean one way or the other. The more people that come to the middle, the better chance we have of a strong America. The isolationism due to religion is a losing tactic for our future. Either we put religion aside or the country will continue to be divided.

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RedDuck 1 point ago

Again, I am not a proponent of "religious isolationism." You are the one sowing division and creating friction where it does not need to exist. If you do not like to see Trump supporters mentioning God, just mind your own business. Don't tell us to be quiet for the good of the movement.

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ProudAmerican 1 point ago

I’m a Trump supporter. It doesn’t bother me to know people believe in god or when they mention god. I’m only asking you to save the Sunday church rhetoric for a different forum so you don’t run off the people who put you over the top this election.

The movement isn’t about god and you will learn after Trump is out of office. People like me who don’t want to mix religion and politics will never vote for a Pence like figure. The friction created is coming from the lack of insight as to what it means to be a governing body, not because I’m somehow interjecting into another’s business.

Ultimately, you should be happy that a person like me is even willing to attempt to show you where the issue lies. We all have different beliefs so asking you to only concentrate on the things that we can agree upon isn’t asking you to be quiet.

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RedDuck 1 point ago (edited)

And yes you are indeed asking me to be quiet about God. Perhaps you would also like me to vote for abortion and lobby for gay marriage. There are some anti gun people I know who may join the movement if we are willing to allow common sense gun laws, perhaps I shouldn't mention my 2a beliefs.

Go ahead and vote for the socialist or allow one to be elected if a Pence figure comes along, if you despise God so much. You think I will be quiet about God in order to please you? You think I will thank you for telling me how much you despise my beliefs?

Your arrogance is laughable. Leave. Leave now and vote for Bernie Sanders!

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