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posted ago by PatriotDefense

Has anyone seen a good discussion of the argument for citizens of other states going, or not going, to Richmond? On one level, this is a state government attacking its people. On another, we all know this is a test on a national issue. Looking for a debate on the topic.

Has anyone seen a good discussion of the argument for citizens of other states going, or not going, to Richmond? On one level, this is a state government attacking its people. On another, we all know this is a test on a national issue. Looking for a debate on the topic.
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Marksmenright 21 points ago *

Don't go, it's a huge trap.

They plan on having Antifa and crisis actors wearing MAGA and NRA garb and stage an attack on the non-disguised Antifa and gun protestors.

They could use a loose interpretation of the NDAA to arrest all legitimate pro-gun protestors on the grounds that all of them acted just as the crisis actors did together.

Antifa will come out smelling like roses, and all pro-gun people will be labeled terrorists.

I FUCKING HATE what Virginia has become.

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PatriotDefense [S] 8 points ago

Isn't "I HATE what VA has become" a reason to go change it?

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Marksmenright 19 points ago

Absolutely change it, but don't willingly enter a set trap.

Set up impromptu marches (not huge planned events months out that allows infilitration/government preparation), get a serious effort for governor recall, organize non-compliance efforts, make any effort to throw a wrench in day-to-day living in Richmond.

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rooftoptendie 11 points ago

I agree.

If they go in on the commiecrats' terms, they are letting the enemy pick the battlefield. How smart is that? NOT VERY.

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PatriotDefense [S] 5 points ago

This is a good argument. Is it possible to get enough people together to make change on a random Wednesday?

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Marksmenright 5 points ago *

You could literally get 5 people, spread them out to various gun ranges, and hand out flyers to get something off the ground. Just imagine every week there were 2-3 loud protests of at least 40 people each at a variety of locations.

That would just be the beginning.

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KoboldAdvocate 4 points ago

Frequent smaller protests are much easier to keep in the public eye, and they are much safer and harder to false-flag/corrupt.

These massive ones can turn bad fast and the media has an easier time making it look "bad" for the right.

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Belleoffreedom 2 points ago

There could also be large numbers of smaller protests in different locations on the same day. Because the problem is the rogue legislature, the local offices of the politicians could work.

... continue reading thread?
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bigdeer67 2 points ago

Spontaneity is the winning ticket

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1A2A 2 points ago

The problem with your train of thought is that EVERY time we organize this is a threat. Doesn't matter where or how big. There's another post here about cancelling it and attempting surprise protests in other cities, problem is it'll never truly be kept secret, or they'll quickly clamp down because permits weren't requested/issued.

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fthecoup 1 point ago

THIS

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Wanderfar 5 points ago

I am going! Period! In past false flags they use the cover of a "training Exercise" to bring in the crisis actors. Instead of bringing guns we are bringing cameras! If a van unload a group of bloody actors it will be photographed. I believe the comment I am responding to is a shill.

We are prepared for their tricks/ WWG1WGA

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Marksmenright 3 points ago

Oh GTFO here with that shill shit. Anyone with half a brain can see this is a set-up.

The heavy media coverage leading up to it? Already painting the "white supremacist nazi" narrative? Antifa showing up in support of 2A? Sniper towers? Protest within confines of a fence? They have full control over this event, which is why a series of impromptu protests/marches are the way to go to catch them off-guard.

No one can stop you, but I'd heavily advise you to STAY OUT OF THE FENCE CONFINES. One blank goes off, and those snipers will unload.

Assuming they pull the buses up even remotely close to the event (they won't, they learned their lesson of ALMOST being caught in Charlottesville), you could catch some identifying marks on the buses and backtrace who paid for it.

SPOILER ALERT: it'll be a Soros or Bloomberg front group. This will be no surprise to all of us in the know, and will not be believed by anyone else as anything out of the ordinary.

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CucumberInLine 8 points ago

as many real patriots need to be there as possible. especially police and military. this limits the false flag potential, and maybe if those patriots are loud and broadcast as attending, pantifa will understand they may not even complete the draw before getting served hot lead.

record everything, always. this prevents a staged false flag with actors from being reported as true, as we have seen so many times before.

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PatriotDefense [S] 6 points ago

Virginia patriots? US patriots?

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CucumberInLine 4 points ago

yes.

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QUIDPROQUO1 8 points ago

Get behind your sheriff, He has the constitutional right to arrest this governor for treason against the constitution! OATH NOT KEPT!

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PamelaCincinnatus 2 points ago

This. We have a whole host of legal recourses for making would-be tyrants' lives miserable, we need to lawyer up and use them aggressively.

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CovfefeNegro 7 points ago

Patriots within a few hundred miles and who can manage the logistics ought to go, but only with the expectation of engaging in Free Speech.

Keep smiles on your faces and engage in simple Speech, only that, operating inside the permitted protest areas. Legal permits I mean, any actions outside the parameters of the issued permits are civil disobedience, crimes/rioting, and we don't want that in any form. Don't block streets you do not have authority to block, don't be a criminal.

Be peaceful and do not let the Enemy instigate or provoke you, do not rise to their taunts and threats.

They will happily gun you down, do not go there angry they hope to make you do 'anything' so they can shoot you down and say, see, we told you they were Bad Guys.

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PatriotDefense [S] 6 points ago

The "let them win" argument. I never understood this one, but it's popular in the States losing ground to the anti-gunners.

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CovfefeNegro 2 points ago

No you don't understand, that much is correct.

Okay then, so what will be gained when people are killed or arrested for civil disobedience? If you want to 'let them win', then show up stupid, violate the terms of the legal permits and get arrested or worse, I wish you luck.

But I wouldn't want you anywhere near me. If after we exhaust all other means it is necessary to pick up arms we will, in the millions we will. But we are not there yet, in fact we are on the cusp of our greatest victory, with Trump and Q+ doing the heavy lifting.

But you think violence is better....

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PatriotDefense [S] 5 points ago *

What was accomplished when people were killed or arrested for civil disobedience during the Revolutionary War? A free country.

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CovfefeNegro 3 points ago

Yeah except we are not calling out the Revolution just yet.

Go Speak, exercise your Right to Speak. In Peace tho, otherwise you are same as the Enemy, same/same as BLM and klantifa, same as the corrupt double damned government and other Evils stalking the land.

If you go get gunned down the Revolution will not come avenge you, it will just be used against the rest of Society.

We are on the edge of winning it all Peacefully, the Enemy seeks to cripple us with this thing.

Go speak, but please obey all the applicable laws and maintain polite dignity. Comport yourself as did the Covington Kids, teenagers who maintained their poise under threat, be a symbol of quiet strength and morality, not a mob.

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PatriotDefense [S] 1 point ago

I see your point. Waiting too long increases the bloodshed, however, and the other side is declaring war.

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QUIDPROQUO1 2 points ago

OK ,you stay home , THE REST OF US ARE GOING TO TRENTON WITH GENERAL WASHINGTON.

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CovfefeNegro -2 points ago *

Trenton? Been there, no thanks.

Okay, bon voyage, write if you find work. Good luck with that, please comport yourself with quiet dignity, politely explaining matters to the corrupt government/media/reception committees. Be Lawful.

I'll pray for you, and also pray you don't make it worse for us all.

https://files.catbox.moe/vogmyd.jpg

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PatriotDefense [S] 2 points ago *

The Left is showing a willingness to ignore the rights which have protected the people from tyrannical government for more than two centuries. They are discussing using force. Do you truly believe smiling from your jail cell (because that's where you'll be if you walk into their pen and protest with no option to resort to force of your own) will change their minds?

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MadeinUSAquality1 5 points ago *

The left has overplayed their hand. Look at the map of Virginia of all the people that do not want to give up their guns. This is spreading like wildfire to other states, Florida, Texas even blue strongholds like Illinois and Rhode Island.

This is the beginning in the organization of an actual front against tyranny. Declare publicly what people are not willing to accept. The acting government will eventually lose legitimacy.

Fighting on their ground with their rules is a recipe for disaster.

The Revolutionary war the redcoats were caught off guard because the colonists did not fight using their rules of engagement. Read Sun Zu art of War.

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PatriotDefense [S] 1 point ago

This too is a good argument.

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CovfefeNegro 2 points ago

Go in there with 'force', as you put it, and you'll likely be gunned down, and for what utility?

Expect snipers and drones, a kill zone fenced off with controlled access points. Expect searches, you won't be allowed weapons. But the Enemy both inside the kill zone and in the surrounding areas will have weapons.

Are you prepared for mass casualties, you have plans for fire teams using fire and movement to ...do what exactly? You have any means of comms with any fire teams, any means to identify your own forces or the Enemy?

If we have to have a Revolution then so be it, but we are not at that point yet. Go in Peace, if you go looking for violences you will find it, our double damned corrupt government has that almost guaranteed for you.

But we are on the cusp of winning Peacefully, be certain you know what it is you do. Go Peacefully and Speak, yeah sure and of course. But do it all Peacefully, with quiet dignity not with anger.

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PatriotDefense [S] 1 point ago

"for what utility?" - Already said- freedom. To assert our rights.

"Expect . . . mass casualties." Yes, I realize.

" . . . not at that point yet." This is the best argument. Previously, I set the line at "votes no longer matter." I think "disarm the populace" is another line for me. We can't let that happen.

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fthecoup 5 points ago

Credit to poster Stallion -- Yes, Trump should to go to Richmond on Monday.

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PatriotDefense [S] 2 points ago

I like this.

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TopKeksWithFrens 4 points ago *

Anyone who can show up should. The people in charge need to see numbers telling them they are not doing the will of the people. Also because groups like antifa will be there to support the government tyranny and they need to be protested,

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PatriotDefense [S] 1 point ago

Shouldn't it be massive numbers of Virginians, though? They voted for this mess, and they're the only ones (theoretically) subject to the tyranny.

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PamelaCincinnatus 1 point ago

The problem is that if they succeed in VA they'll do it all over the nation. VA is the testing ground. So it's good for all pro-2A folks to show solidarity with each other, to show that we know what's up.

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PatriotDefense [S] 1 point ago

VA is a testing ground, but even success there is not dispositive of success elsewhere. Maybe the next state watches the loss, and decides to fight back earlier and harder.

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KoboldAdvocate 2 points ago

My biggest concern now is for them to use this as a false-flag incident to further their agenda. For anyone who goes, please be safe and record everything.

We have time on our side, however. We have to do things peacefully. Violence can win in the short-term, but the long-term can only be won with ideas and by gaining the support of the entire population.

On top of all of this, we have to push for nation-wide constitutional carry. That's what the real fight is. State laws do not overrule federal laws which do not overrule the Constitution.

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PatriotDefense [S] 3 points ago

"Violence can win in the short-term, but the long-term can only be won with ideas and by gaining the support of the entire population." This is dangerous thinking. I believe we already have a HUUUUUGE majority. A few people willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill will beat a majority unwilling to back their desires with force any day.

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KoboldAdvocate 4 points ago

The reason we're even in this situation is that we didn't have the majority in the last General. Democrats took over the state.

Some Democrats ran unopposed! They had nobody with an (R) in the ballot box to compete against and they swept it.

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PatriotDefense [S] 2 points ago

What can be done if everyone votes for tyranny? Wouldn't be the first time. Generally, it takes a generation or so of punishment to change minds.

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BananaWizard 2 points ago

Bagaloo is starting

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Butthurt 2 points ago

Dunno dude but I’m super stoked for a happening, whatever it may be. Last happening with Iran was pretty decent I guess.