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BasteSpuds 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well the hard truth is we missed on a constitutional convention last gubernatorial race. Piss poor attendance at the poles throughout upstate. Turnout was and always is trash. And our next opportunity to request one is like 15 years from now iirc.

Maybe somehow we could get the wheels moving preemptively but its going to take grass roots energy

Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0

I think given all of the shenanigans recently, I would imagine that there may be more of a drive for it in Upstate. Upstate gets little say in the direction of the state, and has to pay the burden of New York City's ill-fated desires. The il Duce Cuomo, is also not an Upstate man, and does not govern like he's from up there. He governs like a New York City mayor.

For Long Island, we've had several attempts to become a state, with only one of them gaining some traction. I've heard of more people talking about it recently, though, as more city folks come out to my neck of the woods. There's justified fear here that things may get worse for our county thanks to them.

No ill-will towards the entire population of the five boroughs. Did get to talk to a couple of pedes behind enemy lines, so to speak.

BasteSpuds 2 points ago +2 / -0

We could always get into the stratagem of achieving this at another time but here's some hypotheticals if a separation were to occur for the sake of argument and discussion.

Despite what many NYC residents that have argued against me and has said it's not possible. It is. Former contracts are null and void in the formation of a separate state.

First off the bat NYC has to pay up from the water/electricity/natural gas from upstate. Either that or they invest in water treatment plants.

Secondly I know NYC would in a counter move try to make ships getting past them up the Hudson full of hoops and bureaucratic bs. Being imports come in largely in their realm.

I originally thought well we could just build a massive port on the St Lawrence. Not far from Montreal where there already is.

Now that if we put LI in play we could put ports on LI too.

Strike_Eagle784 2 points ago +2 / -0

Totally, Long Island could provide the trade nexus, especially since we're close enough to New York City that we could piggy-back off their economy. Seafood, and wineries are somewhat relevant still for the Island, so that can help an Empire State economy without NYC. Separating from NYC would allow us to develop our own financial industry as well, since we already have some businesses headquartered here that aren't city based. Keeps our workers on the Island as well, since a lot of us go to the city to work, but don't live there obviously lol.

Upstate can provide raw natural resources, and agriculture. The Niagara Falls region provides electrical power, so we can maintain some form of energy independence (not sure how relevant this is since we'd still be a part of the union). Upstate would also maintain the conservative philosophy of the state, though I would argue that we would need an state-wide electoral college to prevent any region from the state from garnering too much power.

The only reason why people from NYC are telling you this isn't possible, is because anything economic that doesn't involve Wall Street, tourism, and entertainment, would be ripped away from them. They can't exist without the natural resources that upstate provides, nor the work-force coming from Long Island.

BasteSpuds 3 points ago +3 / -0

This isn't mere internet banter. Let's focus on ending this voter fraud and then we can get to task. I like how you think btw