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hollow_fang 148 points ago +148 / -0

Same reason that flu cases dropped 98% this year...

A total coincidence!

HadEnoughInCA 90 points ago +90 / -0

It says right in the title of the CDC statistic page thst they are counting COVID, flu, pneumonia, and "influenza-like" deaths all as COVID. It has been that way for months.

T2R0U2M0P 21 points ago +21 / -0

Mind sharing a link? I would love to beat some of my social media covidiots over the head with this, but the CDC website is so convoluted and unwieldy that I can't find that page you are referencing. Thanks!

HadEnoughInCA 33 points ago +33 / -0

It's this page, title of table 1, which is the main death count:


T2R0U2M0P 13 points ago +13 / -0

Thank you!!! That is such blatant bullshit, I can't believe people just swallow it without thinking!

El-Duderino 11 points ago +11 / -0

Every single covid “death” has at least one other cause of death, most have 3+ other causes of death

T2R0U2M0P 11 points ago +11 / -0

Yeah, here in WA state our DOH classified 5 deaths as covid. Their co-morbidity? Gunshot wounds. Yes, gunshot wounds coded as covid deaths. Honk honk!

45forever 21 points ago +21 / -0

PROPOGANDA gotta prop!

Jimmy_Russler 6 points ago +6 / -0 (edited)

For the** love of God please fire 95% of the CDC when you get reelected Trump!

Edit: apparently this thread is misleading but fire them anyway they did terrible

Hades440 3 points ago +3 / -0

Obviously our change of behavior to combat Covid has made us completely immune to lesser viruses.


Barack0bama [S] 49 points ago +49 / -0

for those that need a source


Due to the impact of COVID-19 on ILI surveillance, and the fact that the state and territorial epidemiologists report relies heavily on ILI activity, reporting for this system will be suspended for the 2020-21 influenza season

ADAM_SCHITT 26 points ago +28 / -2

It's still collecting flu data, just not geographic data.

maleitch 14 points ago +18 / -4

Thank you for saving me from spreading more incorrect hysterical bullshit that seems to be flooding this site now more than ever. I think some of these posters are hired to discredit this site as any sort of reliable news aggregator.

JeremiahKassin 8 points ago +8 / -0

That's some incorrect hysterical bullshit, claiming that there aren't people on this website who might latch onto bad info because it promotes the narrative. We aren't perfect. We are better than the left at spotting bullshit, and policing it when we see it, but claiming that only true Trump supporters won't fall for stuff just because they want to believe it is setting us up for failure.

IlIlIlIlIl 8 points ago +9 / -1

ITT: not reading the article

capable_masterpiece 35 points ago +35 / -0

So basically, we won't be able to discern china virus from influenza stats. These people should be sued for negligence.

keepwinning 30 points ago +31 / -1

could it be that the china-flu is just the flu?

Belleoffreedom 16 points ago +16 / -0

It is indeed different, and medical people damn well know it. However, COVID-19 pays better.

keepwinning 12 points ago +12 / -0

correct.. 20% more... at the expense of bankrupting society and destroying a generation or more.

MaxineWaters4Prez 11 points ago +11 / -0

Kinda. The Shanghai Sniffles is a Coronavirus, which was historically referred to as "The Common Cold". The flu is from an Influenza virus.

SeeThroughHead 23 points ago +23 / -0

This is the biggest bullshit. How many deaths this year were actually flu? How many this year will be flu? This is crazy.

Trumpman1 16 points ago +16 / -0

Exactly. This spike we're having is probably the regular flu mixed in with Covid. Besides, if the hospital can call it Covid, it means $$$. Everybody wins.

Tacotonny23 3 points ago +3 / -0

Has there actually been a spike? Have more people died this year in OVERALL deaths? Like every year are we +10% overall rise? No it's just calling it something different

Trumpman1 2 points ago +2 / -0

Most recent deaths data I can find on CDC site is for 2017, and it says 2,813,503 died that year of natural causes. So far this year, we’re talking about 225,000 “by Covid” – if you want to believe that. I had a friend tell me just yesterday her friend’s husband recently died in a fatal car accident, and the hospital presented her with a death certificate stating Covid 19 as the cause of death. He had no symptoms nor did anyone in the family. And I’m sure you know about the “bonus $” hospitals get for every “Covid death”. SO, have more people died this year because of Covid than usual? If so, it’s 7% if you use the above numbers. On the other hand, 55,000 (or 2%) died of the flu in 2017, and CDC recently announced that they’re not going to be counting “regular flu” deaths this year. I wonder why. How many of those Covid deaths are “regular flu” deaths? Or car accidents?

But yes, we are seeing spikes in many states. But Trump is right… if you look at the TESTING RATES of each state, the states that are showing spikes, are also showing a significant increase in testing. The more you test, the more cases you find.

All that said, if I was 75 years old with a heart condition, I would rather catch the regular flu than Covid19. If I were 35 years old, I’d be at the nearest open bar trying to catch this son-of-a-bitch so I could get the antibodies and get back the hell out there in a week or two.

Deplora 2 points ago +2 / -0

More importantly, how many of the actual COVID deaths are people who would have died of flu in the same season, if COVID hadn't gotten them first. Only the excess over expected flu deaths is meaningful as a measure of COVID's impact.

KRM944 19 points ago +19 / -0

So when does the COVID counter reset to zero?

Can we add 100 years of Flu data and keep that number climbing and blame anyone and everyone we want to?

daniel1116 9 points ago +9 / -0

"You're hired as my head of health services!" - every dem governor.

impera 14 points ago +14 / -0

We are so worried about a disease.. that we will abandon all data collection pertaining to some other incredibly similar disease!

You had one job CDC. Besides the end of Wray and Haspel, this group of chucklefucks needs a cleaning out as well.

chahn1138 13 points ago +13 / -0

CDC should change its name....PCDC?

Propaganda to direct the Center for Disease Control.

I am tiring of having to consider the perspective of LIARS!

Triclopse 12 points ago +12 / -0

Everything is covid.

SJBHamilton 9 points ago +9 / -0

Sounds like "the system" is totally bogged down and not equipped to handle both types of data. This is a scientific disgrace.

daty_dato 9 points ago +9 / -0

President Trump needs to send a memo over. Fixing this.

MaxineWaters4Prez 8 points ago +8 / -0

During the Trump administration the FLU HAS BEEN ERADICATED!

PatrickSebast 7 points ago +7 / -0

Flu data could be really valuable too because it would actually give us information on how effective social distancing and masks are at reducing the flu. We have years of data to compare too.

CDC has billions of dollars and thousands of employees so it is t like there is a reason they can't gather the data.

DrGEOTUS 8 points ago +8 / -0

There is a long history of well established norms for the seasonal flu. If they collect the data it would prove how useless masks and distancing really are.

lifeisahologram 6 points ago +6 / -0

Marketing Meeting Meme:

Boss: “Covid is going away. What can we do to increase its footprint? Give me ideas people!”

Energetic Employee 1: “Use faulty test methods that provide false positives?”

Energetic Employee 2: “Conflate those tests with hospitalization or mortality!”

Bored Employee 3: “...ummm, just stop counting other major respiratory diseases entirely, and label them Covid???”

boss glares at bored guy

instead of throwing him out the window he gives employee 3 employee of the month

MaxineWaters4Prez 6 points ago +6 / -0

CDC: Centers for Disease Counterfeiting

Hijinx81 4 points ago +4 / -0

So it is the flu! Got it!

RickJocko 4 points ago +4 / -0

That’s because they never collect it in the first place. If you read more they state that influenza infection numbers are extrapolated (a fucking guess) by looking at last seasons data (hospitalizations, deaths etc) and then they give a number of flu “cases” and “deaths” caused by flu. What a joke

Wettestwilly 3 points ago +3 / -0

Just because that system isn't collecting the data doesn't mean that the data isn't being collected somewhere else. The data is still being collected. HHS added a bunch of new fields for flu to the daily COVID reporting requirements.

FuckTheOtherSide 3 points ago +3 / -0

“Second wave” my ass

CS212 3 points ago +3 / -0

Fuck the cdc.

NotTheTendies 3 points ago +3 / -0

Joe Biden's criminal behavior with China and his sons pedophile incestuous nature are why we are forced to wear masks everywhere. Imagine, one corrupt politician runs for office and gets this far and now we have to fucking change everything. Pieces of shit aren't as dirty as these fucking assholes. Rot. In. Hell.

ShiterallyLaking 2 points ago +2 / -0

You try to maintain your boring rationality and not succumb to conspiracy theories, but damn is it getting difficult to not just straight up believe we are actively living the plot of the original Deus Ex game.

based_illinoisan 2 points ago +2 / -0

Incorrect. Let’s not spread false info

Ace-Hardgroin 2 points ago +2 / -0

ugh, this is UNACCEPTABLE. We NEED to be able to compare flu and COVID if they really are a separate thing. Either it’s fake, or they just want to count every Flu death as COVID

Contact the CDC and tell them this is unacceptable

GreyGooseDown 2 points ago +2 / -0

Because the flu doesn't exist this year. Ask Canada with 6 results this year.

StarGirl 1 point ago +1 / -0

Guys, we cured the common cold.

El-Duderino 1 point ago +1 / -0

This confirms that it is all a hoax. What more proof do you need?????

K-Harbour 1 point ago +1 / -0



Kerra_Holt 1 point ago +1 / -0

WELL NOW isn't that interesting? I wonder why they would do that?

Throwaway_Test 1 point ago +1 / -0

Gee. Shocking.

coiffeuse2 1 point ago +1 / -0

I was sick in February (sickest I have every been), and tested for flu, which I didn't have, there was no Covid testing, yet, and I got a flu shot in October 2019... the first person who died in our town, of covid, there were no covid tests available. I believe the first two deaths for sure. I have had in 2020: one flu test, two antibody tests, and two CCPV tests, all negative....... what the fuck are they testing for, and who really hadit? I believe nothing... masks off Nov 4th... no matter who wins...

TankedCommandeerer 1 point ago +1 / -0

This move is going to fuck up and invalidate the data tables for so many long term studies of flu. But they are all the scientists so of course they know best!

schiff_for_brains 1 point ago +1 / -0

They don’t collect much data, anyway. Flu deaths are just their guess....errr...model.

Wrexxis780 1 point ago +1 / -0

They already counted it as covid.